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Brazil has almost no quarantine to speak of but Brazilian cultural institutions aren't trusting it and are voluntairly locking down:



Covid-19 and prostitution:



Imagine that, Covid-19 is making the Johns stay home.
1. Brazilian Arts Institutions Remain Closed Despite President’s Call for Businesses to Reopen (Archive)
2. Coronavirus and the prostitution question — FiLiA (Archive)
Don't know if this has been posted yet but Nigeria's Foreign Affairs Minister Geoffrey Onyeama invited Zhou Pingjian to Nigeria to talk about discrimination the against Africans in China. There's rumors about the CCP releasing propaganda that the disease was started by Africans. There's no conformation but it doesn't seem that far-fetched, remember the Swine flu was "The African swine fever" over there for a while. Because they couldn't differentiate between ASVF and H1N1.
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Geoffrey's tweet: Source (Archive)
Oh and a bit of a thing right now. Ross Kemp, a former Soap Actor turned "ARD ITTIN DOCUMENTARY MAKA" somehow finageled his way into a corona-chan ward with his film crew and was fitted for PPE.



At a time when:

1) Visitors are banned pretty much wholesale from visiting their loved ones in hospital

2) If your loved one is dying of corona-chan you might manage a skype call with them in their final minutes. At best.
First "celebrity" killed by PoohHIV that I actually give a fuck about :(

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So an update from my part of the woods.




(Just as an aside, Massie can shove it. Management intended to go back online until the cases linked to the plant started to grow immensely. Over a third of those tested from the plant tested positive. And they still haven't tested everyone.)



I know it's three different articles, but I wanted to make sure I covered the gambit and so people won't call bullshit.

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The midwest is a really interesting area for pandemic data. With people isolated in rural communities, a population with a high amount of elderly individuals, and a general lack of healthcare resources, we're going to likely see some skyrocketing deaths after the fact, as people start analyzing the death certificates more closely. I think here in SD that the only 'certified' deaths are those of people who tested positive before death. The actual number is probably in the 30's or so now, simply because of lack of testing and how quickly an elderly patient can die from this. We're projected to hit the top of our curve sometime in June/August. Then there's our reservations, which are going to get pummeled to hell and back by this, and don't have the resources for testing.

Sioux Falls as the largest city in the area is getting hammered hard. Over half the cases in the state are in the city, and many of those are linked to the plant. It's not going to be pretty here; especially since the two week delay on when our cases really started to spike and the hospitalization is going to be rising. Right now Sioux Falls per capita rate of infection exceeds Chicago and Seattle. The mayor is begging for a shelter in place order from the governor - he's been pressing social distancing about as hard as you possibly can in a city full of people who don't understand what the big deal is because not many people are in the hospital so why should they care. And here I am, in the center of a brewing shitstorm, where cases could easily skyrocket to 20k... which is 10% of the city population.
1.U.S. Meat Supply Is 'Perilously Close' To A Shortage, CEO Warns (Archive)
One of the country's largest pork-producing plants closed indefinitely after nearly 300 of its employees tested positive for COVID-19. And the company's CEO warned that the coronavirus pandemic is pushing the nation's meat supply "perilously close" to the edge.

"It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running," Smithfield Foods CEO Kenneth Sullivan said in a statement (archive).

Smithfield decided to close its plant in Sioux Falls, S.D., which provides 4% to 5% of the pork produced in the United States. The move came after South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem urged the company to "do more" to address the pandemic (archive).

"The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply," Sullivan said.

Smithfield is one of several meat-producing companies that have suspended or cut back on production (archive) in recent weeks.

JBS USA has closed a Souderton, Pa., beef plant until at least Thursday and has reduced production at a second facility in Greeley, Colo., because of high absenteeism among employees.

Cargill and Tyson Foods have also closed plants in Pennsylvania and Iowa.

Sullivan warned that the growing shutdowns are hurting the nation's meat supply in a way that is reaching throughout the U.S. economy.

"These facility closures will also have severe, perhaps disastrous, repercussions for many in the supply chain, first and foremost our nation's livestock farmers. These farmers have nowhere to send their animals," he wrote.

Because meat is perishable it must be kept in cold storage, making it difficult for stores to carry large amounts of inventory, says Krista Foster, who teaches supply chain management at the University of Notre Dame's Mendoza College of Business.

"Once the existing inventory is used up, consumers can expect to see smaller quantities of pork products in stores due to processing plant closures," Foster says.

No evidence exists that COVID-19 can be passed through food or food packaging, the Food and Drug Administration said last month (archive).

Top U.S. officials have moved to assure Americans that they won't lack for food (archive), despite the coronavirus. Vice President Pence, while touring a Walmart distribution center earlier this month, said that "America's food supply is strong."
2. Smithfield coronavirus shutdown concerns shortage-wary meat industry (Archive)
The closure (Archive) of a Smithfield Foods (Archive) plant in South Dakota, one of the largest pork processing plants in the U.S., after hundreds of employees tested positive for coronavirus (Archive) has the industry warning about another issue — a meat shortage.

“The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply," Smithfield CEO Kenneth Sullivan said in a statement Sunday.

The American Association of Meat Processors expressed concern over the Sioux Falls plant's closure, which came after pressure from South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem and Sioux Falls Mayor Paul TenHaken.


"Normally the closure of a plant would not have a huge impact on supply, but the demand on meat and poultry during this pandemic has been vast," AAMP Executive Director Chris Young told FOX Business. "There is a concern that more companies could end up in the same situation as Smithfield. ... Many companies are screening employees and others who enter their plants on a daily basis, as well as trying to follow CDC guidelines for social distancing when they can."


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The Smithfield pork processing plant in Sioux Falls, S.D., on Wednesday, April 8, 2020, where health officials reported more than 80 employees have confirmed cases of the coronavirus (AP Photo/Stephen Groves)
The plant, which employs about 3,700 people in the state's largest city, has become a hot spot for infections. Health officials said Sunday that 293 of the 730 people who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 in South Dakota work at the plant.

Smithfield announced a three-day closure (Archive) last week so it could sanitize the plant and install physical barriers to enhance social distancing. But on Sunday, it announced the plant's indefinite closure. It will resume operations in Sioux Falls after receiving further directions from local, state and federal officials.

"My commitment would be I would love to get them open as soon as possible … as soon as their employee base feels safe," TenHaken told FOX Business. "I’ve talked all along that when you fix one problem in COVID response, you create three or four more."

"A lot of industries are experiencing this level of disruption right now. ... Could it hurt the availability of pork to the consumer? Absolutely. Is this a forever shutdown? No," he said.

Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., reacted to news of the closure on Twitter on Monday.

"I’ve been warning about this for weeks now. The people throttling our economy have no idea how brittle the food supply chain is... and they have broken it," Massie wrote (Tweet archive | Reuters linked article archive) .

Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue said in March that the coronavirus pandemic is having "very little" (Archive) impact on U.S. food supply on "Mornings with Maria" (Archive) .

"USDA, together with the FDA and CDC, will continue to support a whole of America approach to ensure the food supply chain remains safe and secure," a USDA spokesperson told FOX Business on Monday.
3. One of the largest pork processing facilities in the US is closing until further notice (Archive)
New York (CNN Business)One of the country's largest pork processing facilities is closing until further notice as employees fall ill with Covid-19 (Archive). The closure puts the country's meat supply at risk, said the CEO of Smithfield, which operates the plant."The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply," the meat processor's chief executive, Kenneth Sullivan, said in a statement Sunday.

"It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running," he said. "These facility closures will also have severe, perhaps disastrous, repercussions for many in the supply chain."

The Smithfield pork processing plant in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.



The Smithfield pork processing plant in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

The Sioux Falls, South Dakota, facility accounts for 4% to 5% of the country's pork production and employs about 3,700 people, according to Smithfield.South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem said during a Saturday news briefing (Video archive) that Smithfield employees accounted for more than half of the active coronavirus cases in the state. About 240 employees are sick, she said, out of roughly 430 active cases in the state. Because of that, she and the mayor of Sioux Falls recommended that Smithfield suspend operations for at least two weeks.

The problem extends beyond South Dakota. Meat processors in Iowa and Pennsylvania have also shut their doors because of sick employees (Archive).
Smithfield will maintain some activity in the plant on Tuesday to process its inventory, the company said, as it prepares to fully shut down, adding that it will compensate employees for the next two weeks.
You forgot singing. A lot of patriotic singing telling the virtues of Whinne the Poo's fight on Corona-chan. So far the Bitch is winning.


There are many other subsitutes to Albuterol. It could be that it is either the cheapest to get OR they won several contracts with Big Phama/Insurance companies. So I can see that Albuterol being in short supply.


THESE fucking assholes were bought out by a Chinese group back in 2013. WHY do you think there will be a shortage you fucking MORONS who thought this was going to be a great deal. Some of THAT meat is going back where the SHIT monkeys live due to the fact that they been hit terribly with the Swine flu in late 2019. Please note on the comment of just who has a big share in acreage in the US and abroad.

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We're probably good on food in the US - we're a net exporter of food as well, so we're going to be fine on that end.

Also another update (bolding mine)



Those over 65 and with chronic medical aren't the ones who are going to spread it. It's everyone else, so this shall shelter issue is fucking nothing. At least the schools are going to remain closed - that's a massive infection vector right there.
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If you need meat, consider telling your representatives to give us spaniards a call. Like two or three days ago we had on the news reports of meat plants resorting to dry aging because with our exports cut they can't sell enough to cope with their massive fucking productions.

This is another reason we need to get rid of the EU and tear down protectionist barriers. Right now Spain is behind a protectionist wall and the US is too. So long as the EU exists that will never change, ostensibly for the benefit of EU farmers and yet, in this case, it seems like it is definitely not to the benefit of Spanish farmers. Or of US consumers.

However, if Spain was out of the EU and had a free trade agreement with the US like the one the UK is going for based on mutual recognition all that Spanish meat could be exported to the USA, tariff-free. Americans would go into the supermarket and see 'Meat. Made in Spain' and it would be up to them to decide whether or not they wanted to buy it. Essentially the evaluation of standards would be up to the consumer, not trade negotiators with an incomprehensible agenda.

I suspect Spanish meat is good if a bit pricey compared to the high tech abomination that is US meat once you get rid of all the protectionist tariffs and standards disagreements. The US certainly has less to fear from imports of Spanish meat than it does from all the Chinese crap that flows into the country.

Maybe meat's a bad example actually, given the US is self-sufficient in it.
 
What you've mentioned is actually one of the exceptions in the law. Or more accurately, the law is that you aren't allowed to possess it for use in glorifying racism, nazism or the nazi reich (or to possess paraphenalia of any other substitute symbol for the same purpose). Use or possession for other purpose isn't illegal.
Thank you for the information.

What you are describing is worse, actually, regarding limitations of expression.
 
Very low numbers here in Poland, just 260 new cases. There was a drop in the number of tests because of Easter though, so this might as well be the result of a backlog building up. Not much point going into more detail then, I'll be back in a day or two with more meaningful news. Gotta come up with a few makeshift masks before Thursday too, the ones in shops and apothecaries cost an arm and a leg. I'm not paying for that.

I hear the WHO is in doomerposting mode. When did they hire @Drain Todger exactly?

It's clear that most people are mostly immune, though. The virus is not magic.
 
We're probably good on food in the US - we're a net exporter of food as well, so we're going to be fine on that end.

Also another update (bolding mine)



Those over 65 and with chronic medical aren't the ones who are going to spread it. It's everyone else, so this shall shelter issue is fucking nothing. At least the schools are going to remain closed - that's a massive infection vector right there.

Honestly I guessed that. It's more just to point out that even if the doommongers were right. Why the fuck would you make concessions to the chink bastards when you have the considerable trump card of having access to a country with considerable healthcare and sanitation standards that produces way more than it consumes and is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DESPERATE FOR EVERY PENNY IT COULD GET?! Fuck the chinks we've got more quality and after years of EU strangling we're about as cheap too. Hell, you could say that since we only ask for dollars we're cheaper since they ask for *way, way, way worse shit than mere coin...*

Very low numbers here in Poland, just 260 new cases. There was a drop in the number of tests because of Easter though, so this might as well be the result of a backlog building up. Not much point going into more detail then, I'll be back in a day or two with more meaningful news. Gotta come up with a few makeshift masks before Thursday too, the ones in shops and apothecaries cost an arm and a leg. I'm not paying for that.

I hear the WHO is in doomerposting mode. When did they hire @Drain Todger exactly?

WHO's been steadily going more doomer since it's realized as soon as corona stops being scary it looses all power and since it has no credibility second it looses its power it's getting cut entirely. They're gasping for air. Nothing more. No one should listen to them.
 
Thank you for the information.

What you are describing is worse, actually, regarding limitations of expression.
It is, because at any moment someone could just claim you're glorifying nazis and that's your life over. Speech laws with enormous caveats are the worst.
 
Sure it is. But suppose a bunch of Klansmen wanted to March in Manhattan, or Downtown LA with an effigy of a Blackman being lynched, and a burning cross ...

You'd have to be a real Danger Seeker to do that...


Also Massachusetts has elected to join Governor King Cuomo's new Northeastern States of America. Not to be outdone, apparently Governor Newsome of California is announcing tomorrow his own Coalition of CA, Washington and Oregon.

The Balkanization of the US has begun.
 
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They even stuck bodies in a room used for sleep studies. Why is one person on the chair instead of laying them across the bed the other way?

And why the bed and not the floor? Are they going to test sleep apnea people on that bed when the plague is done?
 
You'd have to be a real Danger Seeker to do that...


Also Massachusetts has elected to join Governor King Cuomo's new Northeastern States of America. Not to be outdone, apparently Governor Newsome of California is announcing tomorrow his own Coalition of CA, Washington and Oregon.

The Balkanization of the US has begun.

I think that we need a divorce. I can already see, on this (insignificant in the grand scheme of things) forum, that we are not on the same page, at all.

I say split the country in 4. But give everybody a coastline and/or a part of the Canadian border.

We are addressing contentious topics, either locking horns, or like trains in the night. Even the style of leadership people want is very different, and seems to have a regional slant.

I don't think that people who have opinions who differ from mine are "wrong"... because for them, in their circumstances, they are absolutely "right." I am just getting the feeling that we are absolutely balkanizing.

COVID is making differences screamingly obvious. Like the solutions that a community from Sioux Falls needs in the face of economic struggle, and contagion are absolutely different from what Los Angeles or Pensacola Florida needs.

Pretty much everybody is losing their shirt right now, and wants the next guy to go out and risk exposure to prevent that from happening. It is bringing out irreconcilable differences.
 
It's clear that most people are mostly immune, though. The virus is not magic.
Nobody is immune yet, you fucking idiot. This thing has an rFactor similar to smallpox by all estimates. It's just that unlike smallpox, it isn't horrifically lethal. Plenty of people will get it and not have a problem. The risk comes from the fact that the more people it infects, the more likely it is that the virus mutates into something nastier and more lethal. It's possible for you to catch it and show little to no symptoms, and spread it to other people without issue, who then go on to infect more people. This is what the big fucking worry is, because the longer this is in more people, the bigger the chance it picks up horrible shit. It's demonstrated cross species spread already, which isn't good for that either. The second wave early next year is going to be the real test on how lethal this thing is.

This is another reason we need to get rid of the EU and tear down protectionist barriers. Right now Spain is behind a protectionist wall and the US is too. So long as the EU exists that will never change, ostensibly for the benefit of EU farmers and yet, in this case, it seems like it is definitely not to the benefit of Spanish farmers. Or of US consumers.

However, if Spain was out of the EU and had a free trade agreement with the US like the one the UK is going for based on mutual recognition all that Spanish meat could be exported to the USA, tariff-free. Americans would go into the supermarket and see 'Meat. Made in Spain' and it would be up to them to decide whether or not they wanted to buy it. Essentially the evaluation of standards would be up to the consumer, not trade negotiators with an incomprehensible agenda.

I suspect Spanish meat is good if a bit pricey compared to the high tech abomination that is US meat once you get rid of all the protectionist tariffs and standards disagreements. The US certainly has less to fear from imports of Spanish meat than it does from all the Chinese crap that flows into the country.

Maybe meat's a bad example actually, given the US is self-sufficient in it.
>Benefit of US consumers
>Buying meat made in Spain
Remember the Terrorist Salmon housewives? It sure as hell isn't going to be on the packaging and be obvious about it.

That being said, Spanish hams aren't uncommon here - I saw some in Costco as part of a luxury thing, complete with carving knife. Protectionism cuts both ways, but in the end the consumer generally buys whatever's cheaper. Which favors large producers. Consumers don't think on a national level that much, except for rural/suburban housewives in the midwest who only buy american because by god she loves her country until it does something that could mildly inconvenience her.

Honestly I guessed that. It's more just to point out that even if the doommongers were right. Why the fuck would you make concessions to the chink bastards when you have the considerable trump card of having access to a country with considerable healthcare and sanitation standards that produces way more than it consumes and is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DESPERATE FOR EVERY PENNY IT COULD GET?! Fuck the chinks we've got more quality and after years of EU strangling we're about as cheap too. Hell, you could say that since we only ask for dollars we're cheaper since they ask for *way, way, way worse shit than mere coin...*



WHO's been steadily going more doomer since it's realized as soon as corona stops being scary it looses all power and since it has no credibility second it looses its power it's getting cut entirely. They're gasping for air. Nothing more. No one should listen to them.
We do do quite a bit of buying of Spanish exports already, it's just we also produce a lot so our own markets can supply more of the need.
 
No racism behind coronavirus protections, China assures African community
A Guangzhou official from a department for managing migrants and rental housing in the city said that an urgent order was issued on April 9 that all people from African countries must be quarantined for 14 days, starting from that day, “regardless of their previous circumstances or how long they have been in Guangzhou”.

“If [the African citizens] live in Guangzhou, they can be isolated at home, but we will install a device on their door, and once they open the door, we will be alerted,” he said.

Those who did not have somewhere to live would have to spend two weeks in isolation at a designated hotel at their own expense, up to 300 yuan a day, he said.

“The Chinese government has always attached great importance to the protection of the lives, health and safety of foreign personnel in China,” foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said in the overnight statement – his second comment on the issue in five days.
 
Nobody is immune yet, you fucking idiot. This thing has an rFactor similar to smallpox by all estimates. It's just that unlike smallpox, it isn't horrifically lethal. Plenty of people will get it and not have a problem. The risk comes from the fact that the more people it infects, the more likely it is that the virus mutates into something nastier and more lethal. It's possible for you to catch it and show little to no symptoms, and spread it to other people without issue, who then go on to infect more people. This is what the big fucking worry is, because the longer this is in more people, the bigger the chance it picks up horrible shit. It's demonstrated cross species spread already, which isn't good for that either. The second wave early next year is going to be the real test on how lethal this thing is.


>Benefit of US consumers
>Buying meat made in Spain
Remember the Terrorist Salmon housewives? It sure as hell isn't going to be on the packaging.

That being said, Spanish hams aren't uncommon here - I saw some in Costco as part of a luxury thing, complete with carving knife. Protectionism cuts both ways, but in the end the consumer generally buys whatever's cheaper. Which favors large producers. Consumers don't think on a national level that much, except for rural/suburban housewives in the midwest who only buy american because by god she loves her country until it does something that could mildly inconvenience her.


We do do quite a bit of buying of Spanish exports already, it's just we also produce a lot so our own markets can supply more of the need.

I was talking about people who have recovered from the disease recently, not in general. Sorry for being unclear.
 
LOL Trump is literally playing campaign commercials at his press conference. I can't love this man any more than I do. What an original.

I‘m laughing so hard watching this. He has a captive audience and knows it, so he forces them to watch clips of themselves brushing off the virus. *chef’s kiss*
 
I was talking about people who have recovered from the disease recently, not in general. Sorry for being unclear.
We're not 100% sure on that one yet. Corona is a super infectious little bastard and we're honestly lucky that it hasn't been worse than it is. It's not as mutable as influenza is. It's not as lethal as SARS was. But if the pace of change for it increases, and we start seeing more strains, then buckle up because this bastard is going to stick around forever then.
 
However, if Spain was out of the EU and had a free trade agreement with the US like the one the UK is going for based on mutual recognition all that Spanish meat could be exported to the USA, tariff-free. Americans would go into the supermarket and see 'Meat. Made in Spain' and it would be up to them to decide whether or not they wanted to buy it. Essentially the evaluation of standards would be up to the consumer, not trade negotiators with an incomprehensible agenda.

We'd buy that shit in a heartbeat. Probably because its so hard to find here, but Spanish meat products are considered a gourmet luxury item.
 
Nobody is immune yet, you fucking idiot. This thing has an rFactor similar to smallpox by all estimates. It's just that unlike smallpox, it isn't horrifically lethal. Plenty of people will get it and not have a problem. The risk comes from the fact that the more people it infects, the more likely it is that the virus mutates into something nastier and more lethal. It's possible for you to catch it and show little to no symptoms, and spread it to other people without issue, who then go on to infect more people. This is what the big fucking worry is, because the longer this is in more people, the bigger the chance it picks up horrible shit. It's demonstrated cross species spread already, which isn't good for that either. The second wave early next year is going to be the real test on how lethal this thing is.


>Benefit of US consumers
>Buying meat made in Spain
Remember the Terrorist Salmon housewives? It sure as hell isn't going to be on the packaging and be obvious about it.

That being said, Spanish hams aren't uncommon here - I saw some in Costco as part of a luxury thing, complete with carving knife. Protectionism cuts both ways, but in the end the consumer generally buys whatever's cheaper. Which favors large producers. Consumers don't think on a national level that much, except for rural/suburban housewives in the midwest who only buy american because by god she loves her country until it does something that could mildly inconvenience her.


We do do quite a bit of buying of Spanish exports already, it's just we also produce a lot so our own markets can supply more of the need.
Spanish stuff is too expensive for people in the States. At least the last time I checked.

Dollar is cheap, Euros are expensive. European labor is expensive.

Jamón Serrano, those semi-dry salchichas, slightly tangy quesos, etc. Far more expensive and specialized than the Oscar Meyer and Kraft stuff that 999/1000 Americans consume. And even if they did develop a taste for it, it is too expensive for the type of mass consumption necessary to prevent it from rotting on the shelves. transportation inland is also expensive.

ANYTHING EUROPEAN is barely affordable for the above reasons.

Sorry friends. Maybe in a place like New York City (the fuck do I know) stuff is cheaper due to demand, but everywhere else, anything European is out of reach for most Americans.

Trust me, I was a massive Europhile, and quickly hit a dead end.

Trader Joe's actually has good prices on exotic stuff, but I think most of it is processed in the states.
 
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