Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Feline Supremacist]

Can we have a Shermans march to the sea and burn down NYC?

Call me first , I'll unlock the gates on the way out

Well seeing the TDS outbreak I now agree this thread should be rated as plagued. Jfc how did so many kiwis go full lolcow?

Reminder: PANDEMICS kill people. That is inevitable. There is a percentage of the population that WILL die and it is unavoidable. And do take into account that one of my loved ones was recently one such case and I assure you not a day goes by when I don't ask myself if I could've saved them if only I had woken up earlier. I have more dead loved ones that that, but that one still hurts a lot. So don't fucking come and call me heartless or talk about life>money because I FUCKING KNOW BUT I ALSO STUDIED THIS SHIT AND KNOW YOU'RE BEING A DUMBFUCK.

Not. Everyone. Can. Be. Saved. From the ones that get worse too fast to the ones that do it slowly but don't respond to any treatment people fucking die and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Lockdowns are there to protect the healthcare system and ensure it's correct functioning and supply. They ensure the most people can be saved. But once the healthcare system and its supply have been ensured, they become pointless. They only hurt. Because the second they are lifted you WILL get a spike and there ain't nothing no one can do to fix it. You can't just keep everyone trapped for months. Because then the famine will kill more people than the pandemic ever could.

It's fucked up. It's scary. No one wants to admit people have to die. But that's the truth. Pandemics kill people. Famines kill more. It's a balancing act of how many you can save. And lockdowns need to start falling progressively. Specially on rural and suburban areas. They've done their part. Time for us to do ours.

And talking about lifted lockdowns. Here in spain people are going to work. I thought about showing you the number of petty questions and complaints we got today but I remembered that would be power leveling. People are on edge in the hospital. Everyone knows the spike is coming but no one wants to say it out loud. We'll have to see how many get infected it's too soon to tell but it's still already on that point where we don't know how hard it's habbening but it's habbening. Good thing is since most complaints and questions took two seconds to pass I got extra time to get up to date. Pity TDS was all I saw. Hospital is ready, I think, but we still don't like what's coming. And honestly we still don't have enough ventilators because madrid keeps hogging them. I hope whoever pacted with cuomo realizes that's exactly what will happen to them. NYC is never giving those supplies back, you've been left to die, hope selling your soul to the slaver was worh it.



If it mutates to be more lethal it will be a single new outbreak not just magically turn all preexisting cases into lethal mode, and indeed people infected with the less lethal strain have a high chance of being immune against the lethal strain too.

If this was more lethal it would be contained extremely easily, just like what happened with SARS. If anything it's lack of severity is what makes it so scary.

There is also the fact that as virulent pathogens go around and kill their hosts they burn out quickly. It's the milder strain that dominates as it has the best chance of surviving. A prolonged lockdown enables the more virulent and deadly strain to survive.

*edit to avoid double posting

 

[roxitp0w3rwuzdabest420]

Well seeing the TDS outbreak I now agree this thread should be rated as plagued. Jfc how did so many kiwis go full lolcow?

Reminder: PANDEMICS kill people. That is inevitable. There is a percentage of the population that WILL die and it is unavoidable. And do take into account that one of my loved ones was recently one such case and I assure you not a day goes by when I don't ask myself if I could've saved them if only I had woken up earlier. I have more dead loved ones that that, but that one still hurts a lot. So don't fucking come and call me heartless or talk about life>money because I FUCKING KNOW BUT I ALSO STUDIED THIS SHIT AND KNOW YOU'RE BEING A DUMBFUCK.

Not. Everyone. Can. Be. Saved. From the ones that get worse too fast to the ones that do it slowly but don't respond to any treatment people fucking die and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Lockdowns are there to protect the healthcare system and ensure it's correct functioning and supply. They ensure the most people can be saved. But once the healthcare system and its supply have been ensured, they become pointless. They only hurt. Because the second they are lifted you WILL get a spike and there ain't nothing no one can do to fix it. You can't just keep everyone trapped for months. Because then the famine will kill more people than the pandemic ever could.

It's fucked up. It's scary. No one wants to admit people have to die. But that's the truth. Pandemics kill people. Famines kill more. It's a balancing act of how many you can save. And lockdowns need to start falling progressively. Specially on rural and suburban areas. They've done their part. Time for us to do ours.

And talking about lifted lockdowns. Here in spain people are going to work. I thought about showing you the number of petty questions and complaints we got today but I remembered that would be power leveling. People are on edge in the hospital. Everyone knows the spike is coming but no one wants to say it out loud. We'll have to see how many get infected it's too soon to tell but it's still already on that point where we don't know how hard it's habbening but it's habbening. Good thing is since most complaints and questions took two seconds to pass I got extra time to get up to date. Pity TDS was all I saw. Hospital is ready, I think, but we still don't like what's coming. And honestly we still don't have enough ventilators because madrid keeps hogging them. I hope whoever pacted with cuomo realizes that's exactly what will happen to them. NYC is never giving those supplies back, you've been left to die, hope selling your soul to the slaver was worh it.



If it mutates to be more lethal it will be a single new outbreak not just magically turn all preexisting cases into lethal mode, and indeed people infected with the less lethal strain have a high chance of being immune against the lethal strain too.

If this was more lethal it would be contained extremely easily, just like what happened with SARS. If anything it's lack of severity is what makes it so scary.

If this was a influenza virus I would say let her rip and let it tear through the population, but the fact it reactivates in people and attacks t-cells I am fully on board with this being a lab made virus. These ramification will affect people years and years down the line.

You're right we can't have a future have a normal future without a economy, we won't at all if billions have no immune system.

 

[Techpriest]

Some guy on Fox had a solution: test everyone, quarantine the infected and keep testing until they were no long carriers. Apparently someone has or is developing a rapid test that can be used on the fly, like a pregnancy test except for corona. He suggested schools and businesses use the test whenever someone is suspected of being ill. If you visit Aunt Sally at the rest home they should test you before you go in. If you're a chink coming in on the Wuhan Express you must be tested before stepping off the plane. I didn't see the whole thing but it's a step in the right direction. This ever expanding lockdown isn't going to work.

Testing is absolutely essential as is quarantining the ill and the most vulnerable if we're to recover the economy. The problem is people are beginning to see the lockdown as an end and not a means to an end. Call it the FEMA camp narrative. I'm not saying they're right, just that it's out there.

Half the point of a lock down is to get to the point where we can do this. It's not shouted from every street corner, so you get people in this thread not getting that the lockdowns while they likely will go on until the end of May, will end because testing capacity has caught up with the rest of this. We're getting closer and closer to that every day, it's just a question too of how many people are going to kick it first.

This has already beaten Swine Flu's numbers death wise and that's with the kind of lockdown measures we instituted to curb the spread. While we're seeing a lot of recoveries, we're also seeing long term damage to people's health as a result of this - mostly lung problems. I want to repeat this, because people in this thread don't seem to understand: we're not doing that bad at containing the spread. Could we have done it earlier, more aggressively, with more coordination? Sure. But the fact of the matter is that right now the big risk is reopening before our full testing capability is online. Once it is, containment is so, so much easier.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

If this was a influenza virus I would say let her rip and let it tear through the population, but the fact it reactivates in people and attacks t-cells I am fully on board with this being a lab made virus. These ramification will affect people years and years down the line.

You're right we can't have a future have a normal future without a economy, we won't at all if billions have no immune system.

It doesn't attack T-cells and it doesn't reactivate. Many viri "reactivate" just cause people are idiots and assume the infection is over just because they temporqrily feel better. I know because that's why medics keep having to tell people to follow their antibiotic treatment to the very end and not drop it just because "they're totes fine yo"

As for the t-cells, that was a rumor that came from the already debunked indian paper about corona being like HIV. We did the BLAST on this very thread. The protein they claimed was HIV was actually more similar to the flu equivalent, and near identical to that of other coronaviri.

Relax, it ain't that bad. It's only real ace is the lack of immunity, vaccines and antivirals. On every other aspect it's just the flu, bro. This is why so many epidemiologists were warning of how lethal influenza could get if it varied enough to fuck over our immunity. This was predicted a long time ago. Only thing they failed in was thinking it would be the flu getting harder, not other viri getting softer.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Half the point of a lock down is to get to the point where we can do this. It's not shouted from every street corner, so you get people in this thread not getting that the lockdowns while they likely will go on until the end of May, will end because testing capacity has caught up with the rest of this. We're getting closer and closer to that every day, it's just a question too of how many people are going to kick it first.

This has already beaten Swine Flu's numbers death wise and that's with the kind of lockdown measures we instituted to curb the spread. While we're seeing a lot of recoveries, we're also seeing long term damage to people's health as a result of this - mostly lung problems. I want to repeat this, because people in this thread don't seem to understand: we're not doing that bad at containing the spread. Could we have done it earlier, more aggressively, with more coordination? Sure. But the fact of the matter is that right now the big risk is reopening before our full testing capability is online. Once it is, containment is so, so much easier.

Most people have been infected and/or gotten a mild cold without knowing they were infected. I agree we need massive testing as soon as possible. Maybe if the same people in charge of this mess hadn't let our manufacturing base go to chinkland we'd be in better shape.

Haven't heard much from Barack "lol those jobs are gone forever" Obama recently. Is he worried the mob wants his head on a pike?

 

[roxitp0w3rwuzdabest420]

It doesn't attack T-cells and it doesn't reactivate. Many viri "reactivate" just cause people are idiots and assume the infection is over just because they temporqrily feel better. I know because that's why medics keep having to tell people to follow their antibiotic treatment to the very end and not drop it just because "they're totes fine yo"

As for the t-cells, that was a rumor that came from the already debunked indian paper about corona being like HIV. We did the BLAST on this very thread. The protein they claimed was HIV was actually more similar to the flu equivalent, and near identical to that of other coronaviri.

Relax, it ain't that bad. It's only real ace is the lack of immunity, vaccines and antivirals. On every other aspect it's just the flu, bro. This is why so many epidemiologists were warning of how lethal influenza could get if it varied enough to fuck over our immunity. This was predicted a long time ago. Only thing they failed in was thinking it would be the flu getting harder, not other viri getting softer.

Sir studies were published yesterday proving that it does attack t-cells.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Sir studies were published yesterday proving that it does attack t-cells.

For what percentage of confirmed patients?

 

[HumanHive]

China and Tedros pulling the race card has ensured that they will never be prosecuted and punished in anyway.

The notion that China or WHO were ever going to be formally punished under any circumstances is exceptional. You can't (officially) blame their incomptence for something so out of their control to begin with. At worst there will be economic consequences and WHO might have to deal with a rival organization backed by the US (don't expect it to be magically more competent). While yes it is true China and WHO were extremely negligence, the truth is that control was an illusion to begin with and global pandemics can't be prevented when you can go from China to Europe and back again in a single day.

Diseases use their hosts' lifestyle to spread. This is just reality ending our little jet age dream of progress without consequence.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

The notion that China or WHO were ever going to be formally punished under any circumstances is exceptional. You can't (officially) blame their incomptence for something so out of their control to begin with. At worst there will be economic consequences and WHO might have to deal with a rival organization backed by the US (don't expect it to be magically more competent). While yes it is true China and WHO were extremely negligence, the truth is that control was an illusion to begin with and global pandemics can't be prevented when you can go from China to Europe and back again in a single day.

Negligence? There was nothing negligent about what they did.

They knowingly and actively covered this shit up. Any medical expert will say that acting sooner will always save more lives, and China and the WHO took that chance to act sooner away from the rest of the world by spreading false narratives about the virus.

Fuck China and fuck the WHO.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

The notion that China or WHO were ever going to be formally punished under any circumstances is exceptional. You can't (officially) blame their incomptence for something so out of their control to begin with. At worst there will be economic consequences and WHO might have to deal with a rival organization backed by the US (don't expect it to be magically more competent). While yes it is true China and WHO were extremely negligence, the truth is that control was an illusion to begin with and global pandemics can't be prevented when you can go from China to Europe and back again in a single day.

Diseases use their hosts' lifestyle to spread. This is just reality ending our little jet age dream of progress without consequence.

BULL FUCKING SHITE. We've had outbreaks of much, MUCH worse shite in european farms. And we've quarantined it efficiently EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME. They had ample fuckint control and they, literally and metaphorically, shot the messenger. Not to mention only reason it got out of control is because CHINA IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE SICK MAN OF ASIA because it refuses to get out of the third world and stop eating god damned bat soup.

 

[HumanHive]

Negligence? There was nothing negligent about what they did.

They knowingly and actively covered this shit up. Any medical expert will say that acting sooner will always save more lives, and China and the WHO took that chance to act sooner away from the rest of the world by spreading false narratives about the virus.

Fuck China and fuck the WHO.

BULL FUCKING SHITE. We've had outbreaks of much, MUCH worse shite in european farms. And we've quarantined it efficiently EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME. They had ample fuckint control and they, literally and metaphorically, shot the messenger. Not to mention only reason it got out of control is because CHINA IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE SICK MAN OF ASIA because it refuses to get out of the third world and stop eating god damned bat soup.

Okay, which court you want to try them in? UN? Hague?

This is why I say talk of official punishment is exceptional.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Okay, which court you want to try them in? UN? Hague?

This is why I say talk of official punishment is exceptional.

We have tanks. Planes. Nukes. Troops. Ships. War is the continuation of politics by other means. The chinks have been ground into the dirt numerous times, by each other and by others. It's the only way they learn.

 

[roxitp0w3rwuzdabest420]

For what percentage of confirmed patients?

Here's a link to the article. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...uld-target-immune-system-targeting-protective Can't seem to find the study. Makes me wonder though, people who are "immune" to aids aren't actually immune just the receptors that the virus attaches too are too short meaning the virus can't attack them. I wonder if their might be another genetic mutation that would allow people to be immune to the most damaging effect of covid19.

 

[los pepes]

I find it interesting that the same people that believe Trump had the power to overrule State governors in Jan and shut their states down whether they wanted to or not, suddenly are now pretending to believe he doesn't have the power to overrule State governors and open them up whether they want to or not.

Either he has the power to decide shutdown questions or he doesn't. It doesn't come and go depending on what's a convenient avenue for political attacks. Well, unless you're a journalist.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Okay, which court you want to try them in? UN? Hague?

This is why I say talk of official punishment is exceptional.

Calling their actions a case of "negligence" is exceptional, for starters.

There's zero chance the United Nations will do anything about this. Official punishment on a global scale is near impossible because of the fucking UN ... Which further adds to my rage against China right now.

There are, however, many actions that other countries can take in response to this. Maybe cut trade with them, for starters? Maybe start pulling their funding from the inefficient WHO?

Official punishment may not be likely (unless this actually becomes the start of WW3, but that's another topic in of itself), but China suffering consequences economically as a result of nations backing out of their trade deals? Yes, that's definitely feasible ... And I'm hoping that the United States gets that ball rolling soon after this pandemic is behind us.

 

[roxitp0w3rwuzdabest420]

I find it interesting that the same people that believe Trump had the power to overrule State governors in Jan and shut their states down whether they wanted to or not, suddenly are now pretending to believe he doesn't have the power to overrule State governors and open them up whether they want to or not.

Either he has the power to decide shutdown questions or he doesn't. It doesn't come and go depending on what's a convenient avenue for political attacks. Well, unless you're a journalist.

He didn't shut them down though, he just recommend to in act social distancing. The governors are the ones who decided to follow his lead. At the end of the day the civil war was fought over states wanting to leave the union to keep practicing slavery. This isn't states wanting to leave the country all together this is just states wanting to wait this out a little longer to see how bad it gets.

 

[Disheveled Human]

They should just let the people dead set on leaving lockdown out it's not like anything of value will be lost if a few boneheads get them and their family sick because they want to ignore the experts advice, its not very lethal anyways and we all know its a government conspiracy to keep everyone indoors so it should be all clear.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Okay, which court you want to try them in? UN? Hague?

This is why I say talk of official punishment is exceptional.

Trade sanctions. Political sanctions. Support for taiwan and hong kong. All this is coming. China will be punished, the UN will likely just die outright.

Here's a link to the article. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...uld-target-immune-system-targeting-protective Can't seem to find the study. Makes me wonder though, people who are "immune" to aids aren't actually immune just the receptors that the virus attaches too are too short meaning the virus can't attack them. I wonder if their might be another genetic mutation that would allow people to be immune to the most damaging effect of covid19.

1-china
2-LAB GROWN T-CELLS IN VITRO

Do I even need to explain this one? Yes if you get T-cells out of the body, grow them on their own, and leave them completely inactivated against a virus they won't defend themselves and are therefore as vulnerable as any other cell. Good thing they're not inactivated in our body! The paper's chink bollocks made for doommongering propaganda.

 

[HumanHive]

I find it interesting that the same people that believe Trump had the power to overrule State governors in Jan and shut their states down whether they wanted to or not, suddenly are now pretending to believe he doesn't have the power to overrule State governors and open them up whether they want to or not.

Either he has the power to decide shutdown questions or he doesn't. It doesn't come and go depending on what's a convenient avenue for political attacks. Well, unless you're a journalist.

I can't wait for Trump to mumble something about the commerce clause being used as a general purpose fuck you to the 10th amendment in previous administrations, causing every talking head on CNN to become a libertarian.

US constitution has been fucked up since the Civil War, and WuFlu won't make it better; but hopefully we at least get a clear cut "pandemic emergency powers and restrictions" amendment that is now obviously absent.

 

[roxitp0w3rwuzdabest420]

Trade sanctions. Political sanctions. Support for taiwan and hong kong. All this is coming. China will be punished, the UN will likely just die outright.



1-china
2-LAB GROWN T-CELLS IN VITRO

Do I even need to explain this one? Yes if you get T-cells out of the body, grow them on their own, and leave them completely inactivated against a virus they won't defend themselves and are therefore as vulnerable as any other cell. Good thing they're not inactivated in our body! The paper's chink bollocks made for doommongering propaganda.

The usa doctors had the same findings. Autopsy preformed found immune system was completely destroyed on over 20 people.