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Here's a link to the article. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...uld-target-immune-system-targeting-protective Can't seem to find the study. Makes me wonder though, people who are "immune" to aids aren't actually immune just the receptors that the virus attaches too are too short meaning the virus can't attack them. I wonder if their might be another genetic mutation that would allow people to be immune to the most damaging effect of covid19.
Yeah they didn't link the study, and it seems like the only situation they confirmed this is in patients who were already dead or critical.

Still waiting on all these symptoms that are going to BTFO the asymptomatic carriers any minute now like the Doomers and the Autistic Brony Sparks-Disciple think it will.

About the mutation, possibly. Though unlike AIDS I would imagine the mutation to be more common because the estimate of COVID-19 patients who show no symptoms from infection to recovery keeps getting bigger.
 
The usa doctors had the same findings. Autopsy preformed found immune system was completely destroyed on over 20 people.

Citation needed. The link only claims it was resesrchers that at one time worked for the NY blood institute, and their names alone should tell you they are chink spies. It doesn't claim the paper was done in ny or by americans at all. And if you think we won't find more than 20 immunosupressed corona patients, you have not checked immunosupression rates, specially in china. It's bugmen doomerposting.
 
Citation needed. The link only claims it was resesrchers that at one time worked for the NY blood institute, and their names alone should tell you they are chink spies. It doesn't claim the paper was done in ny or by americans at all. And if you think we won't find more than 20 immunosupressed corona patients, you have not checked immunosupression rates, specially in china. It's bugmen doomerposting.
So china is downplaying the effects of the virus while also causing panic by hiring american spies. At some point you have to admit you're how exceptional you sound.
Jan: It's a nothing
Feb:Ok it's something but it will go away
March: If we lock things down for 2 weeks everyting will be fine.
April: Okay lets make it a month and a half a lot of people are going to die but it's worth so stonks go up.

Doom posters seem to be the only one who've been right.
 
The complete destruction of every economy and government on earth? I love how a bunch of jackasses are talking about "Stocks and housing market" when talking about keeping this all extended and don't seem to understand that most small businesses are performing on thin margins and the longer this shit goes on the more of those places will shutter, and eventually we are going to completely fuck up our agricultural businesses with this, and "not planting crops" or "Raising cattle" isn't solvable by going "BRRRRRRRRRR" on a money printer.
Thanks.
Some real Karen posting in this thread "Boomers want to kill my babies to protect their stock portfolio. Boomer! Boomer!"
The economy isn't about stock prices, that's just an interesting indicator. The economy is everything that keeps us from living in the mud like cavemen, Food, Power, Water, Clothes. Take a look around where you are sat right now. Everything above tech level 10000B.C. , that's the economy. And it's all intertwined and interdependent. You can't shut down bits of it long term without massive knock-on effects.

Also Herd Immunity achieved one way or another is the only way this ends. There is nothing else. Even if you go full North Korea an eliminate it in one place by super strict quarantine, the second you open up it'll come back in. So, yeah, the current government approach is the best of a bad situation. Slow the rate so not everyone gets sick at once. But the odds are you will get it, and so will your kids. And you'll all recover.


Here's a link to the article. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...uld-target-immune-system-targeting-protective Can't seem to find the study. Makes me wonder though, people who are "immune" to aids aren't actually immune just the receptors that the virus attaches too are too short meaning the virus can't attack them. I wonder if their might be another genetic mutation that would allow people to be immune to the most damaging effect of covid19.
Looks like a sensationalist article, long on weasel phrases. Also , it says it attacks T-Cells, not that it infects them. Big difference. Hopefully that just means that you're extra vunerable to secondary infection when you have Corona. But we already knew that I think?
And once more, rapid re-infection hasn't been confirmed.


My unevidenced suspicion is that the UK gov plan is to start trickle feeding people back into work, now that they've got the extra hospital capability sorted. Get increasing number of people authorised as "Key Workers" . Got nothing to back this up except personal anecdote though, so it'd be interesting if anyone has heard or noticed anything else to confirm this.
 
So china is downplaying the effects of the virus while also causing panic by hiring american spies. At some point you have to admit you're how exceptional you sound.
Jan: It's a nothing
Feb:Ok it's something but it will go away
March: If we lock things down for 2 weeks everyting will be fine.
April: Okay lets make it a month and a half a lot of people are going to die but it's worth so stonks go up.

Doom posters seem to be the only one who've been right.

China is downplaying chinese cases to try to reduce the damage of sanctions to china while doomerposting to try and heighten the damage of the lockdowns on other countries, yes, finally you get it. Oh wait that was sarcasm? Well it shouldn't be!
 
So china is downplaying the effects of the virus while also causing panic by hiring american spies. At some point you have to admit you're how exceptional you sound.
No, China downplayed COVID's ability to spread in the beginning.
China is currently downplaying its own death toll while blaming the spread of infection on foreigners
China also has a vested interest in seeing the US economy shut down for longer than it needs to be, as such they would have an interest in spreading Doomerism

"No no, China fine! No prague here! But America so screwed! Better stay locked down extra long!"

Also not American spies, Chinese citizens loyal to the CCP working in the US
 
No, China downplayed COVID's ability to spread in the beginning.
China is currently downplaying its own death toll while blaming the spread of infection on foreigners
China also has a vested interest in seeing the US economy shut down for longer than it needs to be, as such they would have an interest in spreading Doomerism

"No no, China fine! No prague here! But America so screwed! Better stay locked down extra long!"

Also not American spies, Chinese citizens loyal to the CCP working in the US

While i agree China wants to see countries it is in competition with lose on the economic and market front, those countries do not even have publicly available masks for people to mask up with so opening everything up prematurely will just undo the previous month of lockdown everyone wants things to go back to normal but the public at minimum needs masks to help limit the spread if countries are gonna consider lifting the lockdown. Maybe im wrong but it seems logical to me.
 
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Guangzhou tests 4553 Afrikangz, 111 of which have the virus.
111/4553=0.02438, so that's 2.438% of them.

But this is racial profiling!

I know. We should do the same to every Chinaman that entered the country after 1st of Feb.

Also apparently there's 300 more positive cases in some rural China place, so maybe we'd be seeing a spike in the future reports.

Chinanet has a final solution in mind:
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Let people from Guangdong eat those nigggers.
 
She has other mad rules about no water between meals
Night wetting is developmental - the brain needs to mature and produce a certain hormone. They will be dry at night when they are dry and that’s that. She needs to give them free access to water - kids dehydrate fast in hot weather and she’s asking for kidney issues.

The Queen must be sickened inside to see what her country has become. The service and sacrifice of millions of British and Commonwealth people, in two wars, has, in the end, gone for naught.
Believe me, a huge proportion of british society feels this way. It’s frustrating and maddening.

Get this ... his solution is to open schools to infect children, and those with parents over 45 would get some kind of magic pass, to keep their kids at home.
That’s pretty much what sweden is doing. Daycares and junior schools or whatever the equivalent is are open. The elderly and vulnerable are told to stay home and everyone else is told to distance. The effect will be infection among the section of the population least likely to be badly affected - sweden will end this way sooner than the Uk. I reckon probably 15-20% of Stockholm is infected now. Doubling every week to be conservative. That’s the worst over before autumn. Because don’t forget in autumn flu comes back, and flu stretches the health service anyway. We do NOT want another peak of infection to coincide with flu season.
This is probably the way to go outside of major population centres. Cocoon the vulnerable, get everyone else infected. Cities may need short sharp lockdowns but even they cannot stay locked down forever - we need society to operate, or we are headed back to the dark ages. If the bulk of the infected are young, the pressure on heath is lower anyway, and the work for herd immunity is further along. When the elderly and vulnerable get infected, the peak has passed. It’s a sensible strategy.


I keep thinking there won't be a vaccine, because we already have "3 strains" with "dozens of sub-clusters" which means we have hundreds of strains, and uh, a vaccine won't be one size catch all.

But apparently that's doomerposting:

A vaccine is highly unlikely. Everyone thinks a vaccine will solve all, but the flu vaccine is never 100% effective, hardly close to that number. SARS and MERS never received vaccines.
We don’t need a vaccine. The Virus will naturally mutate to it’s lowest possible symptomatic state by then.

We do need a vaccine. The existence of different strains doesn’t mean that they won’t be covered by a single vaccine. A strain is not always different enough and it isn’t always Clinically more or less severe. What the articles about strains and mutations aren’t making clear to the public is that those sturdiest are done to look at evolution and spread routes. It’s looking at how the virus has moved, not at how it’s changing clinically.
Flu mutates in a very specific way that means it can have very different antigens on its surface - that’s why there nonjniversalnflu vaccine yet. SARS we have no vaccine because the funding was all pulled rapidly, and they’d only got to the point of early development. The vaccine they had also had issues with immune enhancement and needed scrapping and restarting. MERS I’m not as familiar with, but after the outbreak was stopped, funding dried up fast.
The corona vaccine seems to be to a conserved bit of spike protein, and it should work. But it needs testing and it’s months away.

Why do you think we haven’t had “second waves” of swine flu?
We have. A new pandemic strain of flu is devastating, but after that initial antigenic shift (see sperging earlier in thread) the form of the virus echoes around the world for years after. It tends to get milder, other strains pop up, and replace it, but echoes of each pandemic flu went round for decades.
That’s a slow process though - we still need a vaccine because the mutation to milder happens reliably only in decades plus.

I also noticed that recovery rates aren’t being mentioned. I know why tptb won’t tell the general public but it would reduce the doomer narrative and bring some optimism.
Recovery tends to have specific parameters and takes ages, plus it’s dependent on testing negative and a lot of places aren’t testing.

Here's a link to the article. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...uld-target-immune-system-targeting-protective Can't seem to find the study. Makes me wonder though, people who are "immune" to aids aren't actually immune just the receptors that the virus attaches too are too short meaning the virus can't attack them. I wonder if their might be another genetic mutation that would allow people to be immune to the most damaging effect of covid19.

The T cell stuff isn’t at all like HIV. HIV is a retrovirus and patches it’s DNA into T cells. The COVID spike protein seems to have a furin cleavage domain which aids fusion to some cell membranes as well as the usual attachment via the spike itself. It’s not the same mechanism as HIV. Will it nuke some people’s immune systems? Well lots of stuff can. It does seem to have an appetite for blood cells and I suspect we will see that in some people it’s taking out red cells and white cells as well. That’s acute though, there’s no sign of it Living long term in those cells. This research is oddly reported. Also Chinese. I wouldn’t line the lab mice cages with anything out of China right now.
 
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How can doctors tell whether the corona fucked up the immuno system or the victim got fucked extra hard by corona because they already had a fucked up immuno system unless by some coincidence the person had a complete workup right before they got corona'd?

It shouldn't be surprising to see people weakened when they are just getting over the virus.
 
That’s pretty much what sweden is doing. Daycares and junior schools or whatever the equivalent is are open. The elderly and vulnerable are told to stay home and everyone else is told to distance. The effect will be infection among the section of the population least likely to be infected - sweden will end this way sooner than the Uk. I reckon probably 15-20% of Stockholm is infected now. Doubling every week to be conservative.
Has this strategy been used in the past and on this scale? The thought of a massive Coronachan standard gift giving orgy seems straight out of antivaxxer playbook on chicken pox parties but it goes BRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

That’s the worst over before autumn. Because don’t forget in autumn flu comes back, and flu stretches the health service anyway. We do NOT want another peak of infection to coincide with flu season.
If you get both the standard flu and the wuflu, are you fucked? Is there data if viruses compete with each other like say... how plants and algae compete in a planted aquarium for resources like dosed nutirents and injected CO2?
 
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Guangzhou tests 4553 Afrikangz, 111 of which have the virus.
111/4553=0.02438, so that's 2.438% of them.

But this is racial profiling!

I know. We should do the same to every Chinaman that entered the country after 1st of Feb.

Also apparently there's 300 more positive cases in some rural China place, so maybe we'd be seeing a spike in the future reports.

Chinanet has a final solution in mind: View attachment 1230098
Let people from Guangdong eat those nigggers.

Chinaman logic:
>Eats bat.
>Pandemic ensues.
>Niggers infected.
>Eats nigger.
God. Fucking. Damn it China.
 
If you get both the standard flu and the wuflu, are you fucked? Is there data if viruses compete with each other like say... how plants and algae compete in a planted aquarium for resources like dosed nutirents and injected CO2?
No, Three Stooges Syndrome is not real. You can get multiple diseases at once; the thing is sypmtoms like fever or coughing aren't caused by the virus directly, but your body's response to the virus. As a result, fever is not somehow worse simply because of two viruses at once. Maybe more coughing as more tissue is infected/irritated, but nothing automatically lifethreatening just from the two viruses by themselves.

Also, your immune system is perfectly capable of fighting multiple threats, just not for very long. Corvid is known for exausting your immune system, so a flu following close behind can be bad. It's pretty unlikely, though.
 
If you get both the standard flu and the wuflu, are you fucked? Is there data if viruses compete with each other like say... how plants and algae compete in a planted aquarium for resources like dosed nutirents and injected CO2?
That’s a really good question. It’s possible to get two viruses at once. How bad you feel rangeS from no different to v unwell depending on what you have and How your immune system works. But it is possible that viruses compete or that a reaction to one can reduce chances of another taking hold. It’s not well characterised. Here’s a paper on flu and colds that’s the only thing I can remember reading on this.

Archive: https://archive.li/6Hrkl

Has this strategy been used in the past and on this scale?
No I don’t think so. It’s all new and noone really has any idea what will work best. Comforting thought eh?
 
So Overall. Hospital is really stable. Seems PPE and pretty much everything else is undercontrol. Someone came and cleaned the closet of corona boxes, I have no fucking clue who. Overall today was really really good and inspection cleared out a lot of doubts I had. Ventilator situation could definitely be better but Directives have been substantially more cooperative than usual after last fuckup so I'd say old Puerta del Mar can take whatever comes our eay.

Further. On national news Fernando Simon has gotten out of the hospital and we didn't even get a communicate just found him giving the data today where lately was his substitute. I swear that man's not rested a fucking day. Part of me feels really proud we got the patron fucking saint of epidemiology on our side but I'm also hoping he doesn't fuck himself up too badly.

The right has responded with an impromptu wave of attacks against him and by just copypasting "VOX" everywhere with no context... I honestly don't know how they can be THIS lacking in self awareness. (Btw do remember Fernando has yet to attack the right in any way, he hasn't even said who he votes for if he even votes. I mean. I know he's left of center from mutual acquaintances but he sure as shit ain't playing no politics.)

Either way. Fernando has been talking clearly and giving ample context which is definitely a breath of fresh air. And I don't just say this because it contrasts with the right wing doomposting, but because he's actually been dropping massive redpills at the left, for instance mentioning the issue with America's massive population and population density and how that skewes his data, which, as I mentioned, A3media went full TDS long ago. But Fernando's first principle throughout has been context matters, and boy does context fuck up the "murica bad" narrative. It was honestly wonderful to see a guvernmental authority talk so openly about all the secrets these narrative driven fucks try to keep one right after the other. Listening to him is reasuring and hope inspiring in a way that's hard to define. Shit'll be good. I don't know how, but we're getting out of this.
 
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Q for britfag who are doing the grocery runs right now.

Is it just me, or do the prices seem to be spiralling upwards? I work to a strict budget, so I’m price sensitive in the store, and I’ve noticed that everyhting that’s often on offer isn’t on offer any more. The 3 for 2 offers and the casual 50p offs have gone missing as well. I do the big shop in the same store each week, so I’m pretty sure I’m comparing like with like. I’ve been through old receipts and there’s definitely a bunch of shit that’s more expensive because it’s come off “regular” offer. Like, if you’re not overly fussy about the brand of your laundry detergent and softener, there is always some variant of the big brands on offer. So you buy what’s cheapest that week. Likewise chocolate biscuits, joints of meat etc. You pick up this week’s ‘deal’ because a biscuit is a biscuit and one week there’s Penguins in the tin and one week it’s Clubs, and that’s life.

I just trim off some shit I probably shouldn’t buy anyway, but it occurs to me shitloads of people have lost jobs or had wage cuts, and if there’s a “real” rather than RPI determined rise in the cost of your personal weekly shop, that’s going to hit some people awful hard.

Has anyone else noticed this or got reason to believe it?
 
Q for britfag who are doing the grocery runs right now.

Is it just me, or do the prices seem to be spiralling upwards? I work to a strict budget, so I’m price sensitive in the store, and I’ve noticed that everyhting that’s often on offer isn’t on offer any more. The 3 for 2 offers and the casual 50p offs have gone missing as well. I do the big shop in the same store each week, so I’m pretty sure I’m comparing like with like. I’ve been through old receipts and there’s definitely a bunch of shit that’s more expensive because it’s come off “regular” offer. Like, if you’re not overly fussy about the brand of your laundry detergent and softener, there is always some variant of the big brands on offer. So you buy what’s cheapest that week. Likewise chocolate biscuits, joints of meat etc. You pick up this week’s ‘deal’ because a biscuit is a biscuit and one week there’s Penguins in the tin and one week it’s Clubs, and that’s life.

I just trim off some shit I probably shouldn’t buy anyway, but it occurs to me shitloads of people have lost jobs or had wage cuts, and if there’s a “real” rather than RPI determined rise in the cost of your personal weekly shop, that’s going to hit some people awful hard.

Has anyone else noticed this or got reason to believe it?

It's easy to explain. With frontiers buttfucked countries that export a lot *ejem*spain*ejem* see their prices lowered to hell and back while countries that import a lot, like britain, see their prices rise catastrophically. This is why Trump called for renationalizing supply chains and why EVERYONE should do it. You can't depend on others for food supply. At least not if they're not trustworthy. And the third world sure as shit isn't.

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