Most people wouldn't have recorded the livestream; it was only really a couple of passing mentions, I think. I doubt Nan or Chloe will mention KF in the videos that stay up on their channel, because that's a sure-fire way to draw attention to everything that they're trying to hide.
A chunk of her fanbase was probably present though for the livestream. The aprilhijacked stream even though it was low viewership of like, 30 people commented several times on Kiwi Farms so their little community is pretty well aware of the thread at this point. Shout out to the lurkers!
Ooo I only heard her say "a certain hate website" I do know that Chloe was there when Nan was about to dive into how long the site has existed haha. I'll watch again.
Damn, this thread got long quickly. I've only just caught up.
As someone who's been lurking this site for two and a half years now (but am on my second account due to forgetting my password like a goof ) I don't think I've been on as wild of a ride as this one since Raven Sparks, or the stuff with Bailey / Caleb in the Tearzah thread
keep up the great work so far, and welcome to all the new people
The self importance of some of the Nan/Nin cult following blows my mind.
In particular right now, D.I.D. and Me, is trying to capitalize on the fact that a predator has been exposed to get some secondhand fame and the attention of Nan/Nin.
In this video they go into detail about how special they feel that they were mentioned on here and that they want 'Kiwi Farms' to come after them and dares the users on here to dox her.
It's like watching a trainwreck, you are horrified yet captivated, by the level of cognitive dissonance and self important 'notice me' waffling. Like seriously, people are legitimately laughing at you because they can see right through your act. I hesitate to give them the attention that they want but honestly, its too funny not to share.
It also appears as if Nan is actively deleting any comments on their latest instagram post that doesn't agree with the narrative they are trying to spin, saw a comment earlier asking for some accountability and responsibility, didn't get a chance to archive it before it was deleted.
In other news Twitter supports pedo's???? Also who on earth are these mental health pro's who support pedos, like wtf? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZw5QYtJNbg "lauren chen"
PED*PHILE DEFENSE FORCE: Twitter & "Experts" Shill for Predators
Ooo I only heard her say "a certain hate website" I do know that Chloe was there when Nan was about to dive into how long the site has existed haha. I'll watch again.
Nice, more doubling down with a large order of guilt tripping and placation.
Edit: Her only way out of this was, once caught: instead of going into DFE mode and try and play stupid, own up to the gross shit for what it was and play some "going to counseling" game and hope people forgive her. I don't know why it's even working that she's trying to play this off like it both isn't a big deal and that she's sorry people found out and are hurt.
Okay, apparently Nan's Instagram is public again. She's also put up a multi part video post. I am not able to watch it all at the moment, but in the first part she said, "I'm making our Instagram public so whoever needs to see these videos can see them. I'm not going to address my intentions, but I will address people's concerns." Or something along those lines.
Not addressing her intentions? And why is that, Nan?
Edit: I finally watched the whole thing. It's completely disingenuous, mostly deflecting with "I'm sorry if you felt hurt, I'm sorry if you felt violated." And she only takes "responsibility" for being ignorant. Another useless "apology."
Apologizing about people getting hurt by your CP and fetish and forcing them to participate in it but not apologizing about what you did isn’t an apology, Nan. Keep trying, you’ll eventually get there. We know you’re capable, your ex said you apologized to him for calling him a rapist.
Also “my system is working to get therapy”, I called it. Now we wait to see if it will be used to sweep everything under the rug and absolve Nan of their fuckery. I wonder how much of this is being coached by Chloe.
Clinical features suggesting a factitious diagnosis or malingering included:
having a score above 60 on the Dissociative Experiences Scale (DES),
reporting dissociative symptoms inconsistent with the reporting on the DES,
chloe- "fellin switchy"
being able to tell a chronological life story and to sequence temporal events,
chloe --"all the failed suicides and abusive partners" all hail trauma
using the first person over a range of affect,
being able to express strong negative affect,
--got nothin
bringing "proof of a dissociative diagnosis to the consultation, having told persons other than close confidants about the alleged abuse or alleged dissociative diagnosis,
--big check there with chloe --"everyone must know of my pro legit super complex uwu DID ognosis"
reporting alleged abuse that was inconsistent with the medical or psychiatric history
--Chloe was never diagnosed before
or volunteering allegations of cult or ritualized abuse,
Chloe-- "scary super ultra trauma"
telling of alleged abuse without accompanying shame, guilt, or suffering,
Chloe-- yes i would say she has no shame or guilt that I've seen.
having been involved in community self-help groups,
chloe- Tumbler, facebook groups, etc.
not having symptoms of co-morbid posttraumatic stress disorder,
--Anyone seen any chloe ptsd evidence???
and having obvious secondary gain in having a dissociative diagnosis.
Chloe- "My career is to be a pro DID malingerer"!.
Okay, apparently Nan's Instagram is public again. She's also put up a multi part video post. I am not able to watch it all at the moment, but in the first part she said, "I'm making our Instagram public so whoever needs to see these videos can see them. I'm not going to address my intentions, but I will address people's concerns." Or something along those lines.
Not addressing her intentions? And why is that, Nan?
Edit: I finally watched the whole thing. It's completely disingenuous, mostly deflecting with "I'm sorry if you felt hurt, I'm sorry if you felt violated." And she only takes "responsibility" for being ignorant. Another useless "apology."
I'm reading the comments and I think Nan is banking on the fact that 95% of her fans have no idea whats going on. A lot of people are offering up blind support because this is the first they've seen of the drama. If you go back and look at her video with the mindset that she is apologizing because someone made her a victim and then made her apologize, it makes sense. She is being intentionally vague so that she remains the victim.
I also think a lot of the "You did nothing wrong!" comments are coming from people who have actually never seen the more X-rated cp drawings and think she is referring to the Tails drawing from the Grandad's Lounge video. There are a handful of heroes though who are replying to several of those comments to point out that Nan actually drew real cp and are offering to provide proof in the pms. I'm taking screenshots in case those threads get deleted.
I’m just really dumbfounded that Nan keeps trying to push the “I’m ignorant and misunderstood how words are used!” narrative when there is direct evidence to the contrary that has been posted here. This doubling down is only going to make things much worse for them in the long run, especially if they ever get called out by a YouTuber with a bigger following than them.
I'm reading the comments and I think Nan is banking on the fact that 95% of her fans have no idea whats going on. A lot of people are offering up blind support because this is the first they've see of the drama. If you go back and look at her video with the mindset that she is apologizing because someone made her a victim and then made her apologize, it makes sense. She is being intentionally vague so that she remains the victim.
I also think a lot of the "You did nothing wrong!" comments are coming from people who have actually never seen the more X-rated cp drawings and think she is referring to the Tails drawing from the Grandad's Lounge video. There are a handful of heroes though who are replying to several of those comments to point out that Nan actually drew real cp and are offering to provide proof in the pms. I'm taking screenshots in case those threads get deleted.
For anyone who hasn't watched the full videos (each paragraph here is one video)
'Hey, it's Nan. I'm going to be making our Instagram public, so as many people who need to see these videos as possible can see them. *long sigh* I'm not going to be addressing my intentions, or what I mean, or what *sigh, head shake*... anything. I'm not going to be addressing my intentions here. -sigh- But I... I do wanna address people's concerns.
I want to apologise from the very depths of myself... for anything that I have drawn that's hurt people. *pause* I... want to apologise for anybody who's been hurt by all of this mess. *pause* I'm not gonna talk about my intention. I did not... it doesn't, it doesn't matter, I didn't intend any of this because it happened anyway, no matter what I intended.
I'm sorry to anybody who feels violated, or anybody who feels lied to, or anybody who feels cheated. I am truly sorry. *more emphatically* I am truly sorry. My system is trying to get therapy, and we'll continue to work to get therapy. *pause, sigh* Your fears are valid, 'cause this shit is scary.
The type of stuff that's being talked about is scary, and... I'm truly sorry to anybody that's been hurt by this, and I'm sorry for my negligence and my ignorance. I'm really sorry. That's all I can say. I hope people will forgive us. I hope people will forgive me, because my system has nothing to do with this, but system responsibility,* so...
If people can't forgive me, I understand. I don't wanna take down our YouTube because I know that we've helped a lot of people, and a lot of people have told us that we've helped them, and I don't want... I don't want to act rashly on anything. I'm honestly kind of fumbling around in the dark, but I want to acknowledge the hurt that I have caused by my past actions. I am so, so sorry. It will not happen again.
I hope everybody takes care of themselves and reaches out to people they trust right now. Please take care of each other.'
(For reference, 'system responsibility' is something both Nan and Chloe have spoken about - all the alters need to take responsibility for the actions of one alter. I can't see how that makes sense in this context, to be honest.)
I'm reading the comments and I think Nan is banking on the fact that 95% of her fans have no idea whats going on. A lot of people are offering up blind support because this is the first they've see of the drama. If you go back and look at her video with the mindset that she is apologizing because someone made her a victim and then made her apologize, it makes sense. She is being intentionally vague so that remains the victim.
Absolutely, without a doubt. I'd be more inclined to believe her if she laid out everything she's apologising for, rather than some vague and nebulous 'bad drawings'.
[Edit: I didn't realise that * sigh * would be auto-formatted into the emoji, but it's pretty accurate,, so I'm leaving it]
Pamela Moss claimed her mental illness contributed to two murders years apart.
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"Today, many clinicians believe Dissociative Identity Disorder is a genuine but rare illness that is...overdiagnosed by a minority of dissociative identity specialists"
The self importance of some of the Nan/Nin cult following blows my mind.
In particular right now, D.I.D. and Me, is trying to capitalize on the fact that a predator has been exposed to get some secondhand fame and the attention of Nan/Nin.
In this video they go into detail about how special they feel that they were mentioned on here and that they want 'Kiwi Farms' to come after them and dares the users on here to dox her.
It's like watching a trainwreck, you are horrified yet captivated, by the level of cognitive dissonance and self important 'notice me' waffling. Like seriously, people are legitimately laughing at you because they can see right through your act. I hesitate to give them the attention that they want but honestly, its too funny not to share.
It also appears as if Nan is actively deleting any comments on their latest instagram post that doesn't agree with the narrative they are trying to spin, saw a comment earlier asking for some accountability and responsibility, didn't get a chance to archive it before it was deleted.
Who even is this? When were they mentioned and to what capacity? I’m also curious about how you found this video. Overall, they seem unimportant in the grand scheme of things and are attention seeking hoping to get hate views and to be able to “show those darn farm bullies what for” to feed their ego and make them look cool and witty. Trust me, if they were to be doxxed and their personal life started becoming public, they’d be crying foul. They can act tough all they like, but people tend to lose it when the doxxing begins... not that this person warrants it.
ETA: Jesus Christ the ego. They’re trying really hard to play it off and get us to hate them even more. You ain’t slick, qorl. Unless they do something relevant to Nan or Chloe, I’d suggest not mentioning them at all so we don’t feed into them.
Had a quick look and he's the type to post 'face claims' of what he thinks he should look like in his head. He's got some thin blond girl as his face claim and you swipe to see him doing that middle aged troon pose with the chins down staring up at the camera trying to give you those seductive eyes. Truly repulsive but just another desperate LARPer trying to jump on the back of a popular pedo. As Lurk said, better suited to the tranny sideshow.
Most people wouldn't have recorded the livestream; it was only really a couple of passing mentions, I think. I doubt Nan or Chloe will mention KF in the videos that stay up on their channel, because that's a sure-fire way to draw attention to everything that they're trying to hide.
I don't think Chloe will mention us but Nan is far too unstable to self regulate. Without Chloe's in person influence, Nan is a real wild card. You never know.
Here's the archive. Some of the comments are actually rather encouraging. I wonder how Chloe is going to respond? I'm putting my money on I didn't realise the extent of the drawings anyway here's Dark fresh from the void.
Wow... didn't see Fragmented Psyche coming out like that. Good for her. I'm glad she's decided to prioritise her children's safety. Her 'we should have trusted our gut' line in her Twitter statement sounds like some heavy back pedalling but I respect the risk she took by going against the tide. That probably gave the DID fans the go ahead to start questioning rather than blindly supporting.
Don't forget to archive.
ETA - Mother of The Year Rivkah Lundy has also withdrawn her support. Great job, now try getting out of bed and checking on your kids.
) I don't think I've been on as wild of a ride as this one since Raven Sparks, or the stuff with Bailey / Caleb in the Tearzah thread
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