Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[no_mad_johnny]

The lockdowns will be lifted sooner or later. While I'm not too bothered by it I do wonder if it's really possible to keep the lockdowns for the whole year. I don't think so tbh

Personally, I have no issues in wearing face masks and gloves outside once the lockdown ends. At least it will double as a privacy measure against the governmental attempts to track everyone.

 

[Not Really Here]

I agree with this, the problem there is a quirk of how the NHS was nationalised. They took a load of hospitals etc and nationalised them, the problem was GPs at the time were just way too powerful and remained independent.

That's the thing to note in the UK. The gatekeepers to the rest of the system are basically private contractors paid (very handsomely) by the state.

The other factor is a lot of the new age GPs are quitting in their late 30s and 40s and taking early retirement because they're on £120k+ a year and a lot of them live surprisingly frugally.

Could probably do with a change there, but GP surgeries are efficient and pretty good for the most part. The issue at present is the rate of loss.

The push for 50% women will destroy what's left of the NHS as they leave to raise families.

 

[JosephStalin]

Every time "they" do something like this, the pushback grows.

‘Our rights don’t come from authority’: Pastor slams Mississippi mayor after police break up drive-in service

A pastor who contested Greenville, Mississippi, Mayor Errick Simmons's ban against drive-in religious services said his rights don't come from the government during a verbal altercation with local police.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

https://archive.vn/yhFq6

 

[Otterly]

Could probably do with a change there, but GP surgeries are efficient and pretty good for the most part. The issue at present is the rate of loss.

Yeah I agree. For non Brits - GP (general practitioners) are the family doctor you register with. If you get sick or need anything go they’re the ones you go through unless it’s emergency stuff. They are all private contractors and they vary hugely in how good they are. You get GP practices that are really well run and you get absolutely terrible ones.
It is a high pressure job In some ways , or maybe relentless is a better word - you’ve got 15 mins or less to get someone in, get the problem told to you and prescribe or refer. And that’s not accounting for language issues or a million other things. GPs are paid well but good ones work hard and burn out fast. Well over half of them now are women and working part time as well and there’s a crisis in recruitment.
There really needs to be another layer in the system : drop in clinics, fracture clinics, minor injuries etc. Stuff you need to be seen quickly for but don’t need emergency - too much of that ends up clogging A and E.
And then of course elderly care, and the entire books you could write on bed blocking and terrible nursing homes. If I get to that point just take me somewhere nice and shoot me while I look at the sunset.

 

[RodgerDodger]

How the British talk about the NHS reminds me so much of cultish stockholm syndrome. It
was eyerolling before, now it is just creepy.

It’s disturbingly similar to listening to old school American Veterans talk about the VA, when every modern healthcare provider that comes in contact with the VA sees and knows it for the Hitchcokian Murder Mill that it so clearly is. Run by and for the benefit ofunaccountable Government bureaucrats. If you want to understand how Communist China works, or just how evil it is, spend a few days in a VA Hospital.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

There really needs to be another layer in the system : drop in clinics, fracture clinics, minor injuries etc. Stuff you need to be seen quickly for but don’t need emergency - too much of that ends up clogging A and E.
And then of course elderly care, and the entire books you could write on bed blocking and terrible nursing homes. If I get to that point just take me somewhere nice and shoot me while I look at the sunset.

The large scale application of Triage gatekeepers in A&E seem to work out very well. Places where it's been applied seem to see big drops in idiots clogging it up because they get sodded off to the right spots quickly.

 

[SpEd Kaczynski]

So, some knucklehead tried to steal my truck today. Broke a door lock and the ignition but failed to make off with it, the loser. As I chatted with our local police, they informed me that car break-ins were way up in this ordinarily very low-crime neighborhood, which confirmed my suspicions.

I've been muttering under my breath since early March that there is no way you can tell 200 million Americans they can't work or have any income and not expect a crime wave. And if you get a crime wave, other elements of society start crumbling.

The news has been suspiciously quiet about the rise in burglaries and break-ins occurring all over the country, but the police know about it.

They had better think this indefinite quarantine thing through, because social order is a fragile thing.

Last week late at night my wife was asleep in the bedroom and I was sitting in the dark in the living room playing on my phone. I hear my wife yell that someones trying to get in the door (we have a door in our bedroom that leads to the backyard). I grab my rifle and run back there and look out the window and see nothing out back. I was 99.9% convinced the wind was just blowing chairs around on the patio and freaked her out. To be safe I go and check all the windows and doors to make sure they're secure before going back to messing around on my phone before going to sleep a few hours later.

The next day I was out back and noticed that someone had pulled the back screen door open. It has a latch that holds it shut pretty good so theres no way the wind blew it open, someone must have grabbed it and yanked it open. Then when they heard my wife they probably took off.

 

[Not Really Here]

Yeah I agree. For non Brits - GP (general practitioners) are the family doctor you register with. If you get sick or need anything go they’re the ones you go through unless it’s emergency stuff. They are all private contractors and they vary hugely in how good they are. You get GP practices that are really well run and you get absolutely terrible ones.
It is a high pressure job In some ways , or maybe relentless is a better word - you’ve got 15 mins or less to get someone in, get the problem told to you and prescribe or refer. And that’s not accounting for language issues or a million other things. GPs are paid well but good ones work hard and burn out fast. Well over half of them now are women and working part time as well and there’s a crisis in recruitment.
There really needs to be another layer in the system : drop in clinics, fracture clinics, minor injuries etc. Stuff you need to be seen quickly for but don’t need emergency - too much of that ends up clogging A and E.
And then of course elderly care, and the entire books you could write on bed blocking and terrible nursing homes. If I get to that point just take me somewhere nice and shoot me while I look at the sunset.

The supposedly horrible US system came up with the doc in a box years ago, complete with their own xray machines and radiologists to read them.

Have an empty space in your local strip mall (closest UK equivalent think highstreet)?
These fuckers are all over the place, I can get to one more quickly than I can get to a McDonalds.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Ok so I have an anecdote to tell and a question to make. It happened this morning, I didn't know if I should say it because possible slight plwerlevel, but I decided you'd get a laugh, and I want answers.

Spoiler: the anecdote

So today our union recieved THE most feared event one could possibly come across. A cook came to the union with a pack of beer. Now. As you know, if we want to know anything. We go to them with beer. So you might think this means he wanted something from us. You'd be wrong. If the kitchen staff wants something from the union they come in bulk and bitch endlessly about it, they're diehard leftists after all, they believe in protests, and I wasn't kidding when I said you could wind up with one of them literally on top of your desk. No, if only 1 comes with beer and a smile, it's because he learned something he shouldn't know, and he thinks you should know it. Which should send chills down your spine.

Sure enough. Buddy came to tell us that someone from another department had asked another unioner for help with paperwork for her kid to enter the staff. And he wanted us to warn the other unioner not to help because the kid would get the post but also need expelling soon after. My mind was filled with wat.

So he then explained that the kid was retarded. And here in spain exceptionals have it easier to enter very low skill jobs (which apparently they decided kitchen staff is) to try and have them be useful. Thing is the program that does this is kinda shit. It doesn't take account what kind of disability they have.

What the kitchen staff explained to us is that when he was younger the kid was a druggie, and on La Punta de San Felipe he got on a fight over drugsand wound up having a chunk of metal stapled on his skull to keep it together after it literally cracked. Now, kid was according to him "a good kid that has completely stoped taking drugs", good for him, but according to the cook the issue is due to the wound he suffered he now has some serious issues with getting irrationally agressive under certain triggers and he feared he would not last a second on the kitchen and could wind up hurting someone and having a stain on his record.

Now, thing is. If you know your protocols you know if I had given you the kids name or any identifying info then the intel I just gave you would be HIGHLY FUCKING ILLEGAL. Data protection law ain't nothing to scoff at, I dealt with informatic due to it in the past and you need to get both the code from one of the guys from informatic and a code you get by the doc after getting authorization temporarily just to even access this fucking shit, it's held with about as much care as the nuclear fucking launch codes. This becomes even crazier when you take into account that the law didn't even catch the guy for his drug issues, not even his family knew about that actually, they just thought he got into a fight when drinking. And as for the fact he had enough points to enter as a cook, again, we had to ask the right informatic, yet again you don't just get this intel unless you're on the same list or are the guy handling it. And if you're already hired you're not on the list anymore so I have no fucking clue how they got that info.

So here's the thing. To even corroborate this shit I had to ask a directive that knew the therapist that, illegally confessed to part down low, and the rest we got from the mom. As far as I can tell only person that knew about the drug was the therapist. That of course and our fucking cooks. I tell ya people. This is fucking magic at this point our cooks are fucking omniscient, I wasn't kidding when I said they can leak god damned state secrets this is some high grade fucking espionage shit at display, people shouldn't be able to leak this shit, there is programs designed specifically to ensure it's impossible!

Either way I'm delving into the reasons for my question so just fyi, we don't know what we'll do about it. Technically they're on their right to ask for a job. At least until an incident actually occurs. So... I have no fucking clue what'll hapen. I'm fairly sure directive will tell security to make sure they have an agent inconspicuously close to the kitchen until it either devolves or the cooks say it's fine. Either way the kid has enough points to enter next round that's for sure.

Spoiler: is autism magic

So. Here's my question. Is autism magic? I already described on this forum the kind of bullshit you can learn from the kitchen staff over here. At this point I'm fairly sure it's like those fucking fantasy nobels where you have a guild that just inexplicably knows shit. Our cooks just learn everything for no reason.

So, since kiwifarms basically is the internet version of such a guild. I wanted to ask. Because this is insane. I mean, I've seen doxxing guides but even when seeing the reasoning so many times I have to wonder "but how did you know to look there/worry about this person/press those specific buttons", like, it feels to me like some kind of artistic inexplicable lovecraftian shit. So since now I have to deal with a bunch of autists, I'd hope to actually get how they think. Because I fear such powers.

Is weaponized autism just black magic? Is it like those stories where power comes at a mental cost so you just get info beamed into your brain but in exchange are on the verge of turning lolcow if you fall on tzeetch's trap? Do you have to sacrifice boyfriend free girls to CWC? How does this happen?!

Speaking of speds. In spain 6yo and under autists have been allowed for 1 small walk a day with a handler. I thought it was dumb until I learned apparently britbongs are doing so much worse. Wtf?

 

[Otterly]

The push for 50% women will destroy what's left of the NHS as they leave to raise families.

Urgh, see twenty years ago I’d have said that was sexist, but having gone through the whole family thing, you’re right.
You’re told at school that you must work hard and bombarded with the whole teen mum thing. Don’t do that, that’s bad. And remember it wasn’t long ago, even when I was a kid, that girls were told they shouldn’t do certain jobs. That was crap. Then third wave feminism came along and warped the sensible message (women can be scientists/doctors/whatever/ ) into slagging off motherhood as being lesser. So an entire generation of women has been pushed into work (because you can’t raise a family on one income in the uk unless that income is high) AND sold the myth that you can have it all. So all these women dutifully spend years doing their accountancy exams or medical school or a PhD and think they’re doing what they should be doing and then they hit reality. Maternity leave and small toddlers do not work with a really demanding job unless you’ve got enough cash for a nanny or are a superhuman being. junior doctor jobs do not pay enough to hire a nanny. We have a low wage high tax society.
Most men’s bosses don’t have a culture where men can go part time. Most men, IME, don’t want to either. Way more women do want to. So in effect you’ve got three jobs between two of you. Your job, the fathers job, and domestic/childcare.
Women can’t win, you’re either a shoulder padded catlady bitch, or a parasite for being a stay at home mum. There’s no way to win the game. The compromise is part time hours, which lets women work high skill jobs and still raise families.
So... I don’t blame women GPS for wanting to be part time, but yeah, it’s helping to crash the system. That’s what you get for expanding the tax base. Burned out parents and you can’t fill enough job roles. Dunno what the answer is there to be honest.

So yeah, it’s easy to pin the blame on women (You didn’t, I’m just saying generally) but the blame really is the system which demands both parents work and shove the offspring in childcare. Women have been sold a pup and been told they can have it all.

 

[JosephStalin]

It’s disturbingly similar to listening to old school American Veterans talk about the VA, when every modern healthcare provider that comes in contact with the VA sees and knows it for the Hitchcokian Murder Mill that it so clearly is. Run by and for the benefit of unaccountable Government bureaucrats. If you want to understand how Communist China works, or just how evil it is, spend a few days in a VA Hospital.

Been retired from the military over twenty years. Until this past December never used any VA health care. Got everything downtown from civilian providers through Tricare.

Collect some disability for hearing loss incurred on active duty. VA provides hearing tests, followup appointments, hearing aids, batteries, other supplies, repairs free for life because of that. Had hearing tests. Needed hearing aids. Amazingly, was able to pick exactly the hearing aids I wanted. All in-ear, very nice. Manufacturer, a Danish company, sells to VA. VA sent me a bunch of batteries and order form for more. Good, since these hearing aids eat batteries.

Have a followup in May. Hearing aids need some reprogramming. Couple of weeks ago some fool called, left message. Told me my followup would be over the phone with the audiologist, direct any concerns or comments to the audiologist at the appointment. Now how the fuck can the audiologist reprogram the hearing aids over the phone? Means yet another appointment.

But this is all I'm willing to do through VA health care. Everything else remains downtown. Not risking my life.

 

[Otterly]

Is weaponized autism just black magic? Is it like those stories where power comes at a mental cost so you just get info beamed into your brain but in exchange are on the verge of turning lolcow if you fall on tzeetch's trap?

There’s an anecdote about Richard Feynman where he gets shown a blueprint of something and he has no idea whatsoever what he’s looking at and he is asked what he thinks the problem is, and he points at some random symbol X and says ‘yeah here’ and they all scurry off and come back later and tell him that yes, Whatever widget or valve that symbol was Was the issue and that he’s just averted disaster.
Feynman probably did know what he was looking at to a point, but we’ve all (?) had moments where the subconscious pattern recognition kicks in and you just know, without real conscious thought, that the problem is X.

That’s the weaponised autism when it works well. When it doesn’t you end up with a liking for bongos. Or drawing on the windows with a Chinagraph pencil.

 

[Not Really Here]

Urgh, see twenty years ago I’d have said that was sexist, but having gone through the whole family thing, you’re right.
You’re told at school that you must work hard and bombarded with the whole teen mum thing. Don’t do that, that’s bad. And remember it wasn’t long ago, even when I was a kid, that girls were told they shouldn’t do certain jobs. That was crap. Then third wave feminism came along and warped the sensible message (women can be scientists/doctors/whatever/ ) into slagging off motherhood as being lesser. So an entire generation of women has been pushed into work (because you can’t raise a family on one income in the uk unless that income is high) AND sold the myth that you can have it all. So all these women dutifully spend years doing their accountancy exams or medical school or a PhD and think they’re doing what they should be doing and then they hit reality. Maternity leave and small toddlers do not work with a really demanding job unless you’ve got enough cash for a nanny or are a superhuman being. junior doctor jobs do not pay enough to hire a nanny. We have a low wage high tax society.
Most men’s bosses don’t have a culture where men can go part time. Most men, IME, don’t want to either. Way more women do want to. So in effect you’ve got three jobs between two of you. Your job, the fathers job, and domestic/childcare.
Women can’t win, you’re either a shoulder padded catlady bitch, or a parasite for being a stay at home mum. There’s no way to win the game. The compromise is part time hours, which lets women work high skill jobs and still raise families.
So... I don’t blame women GPS for wanting to be part time, but yeah, it’s helping to crash the system. That’s what you get for expanding the tax base. Burned out parents and you can’t fill enough job roles. Dunno what the answer is there to be honest.

So yeah, it’s easy to pin the blame on women (You didn’t, I’m just saying generally) but the blame really is the system which demands both parents work and shove the offspring in childcare. Women have been sold a pup and been told they can have it all.

It's the nearly random social engineering/experimentation.

Ignore the 15 to 24 window for 90% or higher guarantee of healthy babies, pretend women don't have time for a career after having a few kids and raising them until school age.
Fear the 'inflation' that comes with one laborer getting paid enough to afford family expenses, push overpriced everything as (like iPhones) as Malthusian needs.
Paper over the whole clusterfuck with government gibs to really screw things up.

We really needed those WW 1 and 2 dead back home slapping the crap out of the dumb ideas that formed post 1945.

 

[2138_1255]

It goes even farther than that. Most of those "Veterans" are supposedly staunchly Pro-Capitalism, but they conveniently 'forgot' that the military they're so fond of telling stories about, is 100% totalitarian socialsim. Nobody gets to 'vote' on leadership, or decide where they want to live, or what job they do. The military base is "commons" from one end to the other, with schools, theaters, gyms, parks & rec, and 'free' housing.

https://reddit.com/r/worldpolitics

 

[Otterly]

Ignore the 15 to 24 window for 90% or higher guarantee of healthy babies,

You’re fine up to longer than that In genetic terms and I don’t think a 15 year old should be having kids. The rate of birth defects and serious complications is surprisingly high in very young mums, as well as some pretty grim injuries for kids that age giving birth. Your twenties to early thirties is probably optimal physically.
But mortgage inflation has been a terrible thing for families everywhere.
Incidentally this is one reason why the schools in Sweden are still open during the pandemic - if they shut them they’d have 1/4-1/3 of all healthcare workers needing to stay home and the system would collapse.
We all work too much IMO. Slowing down a bit would be a good thing.

 

[Powder Puff Gorl]

Every time "they" do something like this, the pushback grows.

‘Our rights don’t come from authority’: Pastor slams Mississippi mayor after police break up drive-in service

A pastor who contested Greenville, Mississippi, Mayor Errick Simmons's ban against drive-in religious services said his rights don't come from the government during a verbal altercation with local police.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

https://archive.vn/yhFq6

While I agree with your point about the growing pushback, this pastor, and many of them who are thumbing their noses at the law, are wrong. There are at least two verses in the New Testament about being submissive to government authority, and Jesus uttered one of them. If the cops were issuing fines when there wasn't a lockdown going on, then that would be the time to raise a fuss. But missing a few services during a pandemic? It's really not a big deal in the grand scheme. I don't see the difference between these church people and any other people who are breaking quarantine. They all need to stay home.

 

[jje100010001]

The lockdowns will be lifted sooner or later. While I'm not too bothered by it I do wonder if it's really possible to keep the lockdowns for the whole year. I don't think so tbh

Personally, I have no issues in wearing face masks and gloves outside once the lockdown ends. At least it will double as a privacy measure against the governmental attempts to track everyone.

The economy will be forced open sooner or later for Trump’s election optics. Probably the question being discussed internally is what the earliest date is, testing capabilities considered, to avoid the disastrous optics of a second wave.

A later date is the more cautious approach, but at the risk of permanent economic damage and a smaller recovery by November.

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

Total mortality figures for the week 14 from UK have been released.

Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...nalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

We are seeing 60% increase of total deaths over the normal amount around this time of year, meaning we're certainly not dealing with misreporting of deaths on a massive scale and the Wu Flu is contributing factor in killing people. Now, its still possible, that the Shanghai Shivers is killing off the infirm, who would have kicked the bucket soon anyway and we'll see the drop in death rates in the months and years to follow.

 

[Barnard]

And then of course elderly care, and the entire books you could write on bed blocking and terrible nursing homes. If I get to that point just take me somewhere nice and shoot me while I look at the sunset.

Is there any place in the world where elderly care is good? Seems like it's always either sitting a stockpile of soon-to-be corpses or getting euthanized after family finds you no longer useful.

 

[Fareal]

Urgh, see twenty years ago I’d have said that was sexist, but having gone through the whole family thing, you’re right.
You’re told at school that you must work hard and bombarded with the whole teen mum thing. Don’t do that, that’s bad. And remember it wasn’t long ago, even when I was a kid, that girls were told they shouldn’t do certain jobs. That was crap. Then third wave feminism came along and warped the sensible message (women can be scientists/doctors/whatever/ ) into slagging off motherhood as being lesser. So an entire generation of women has been pushed into work (because you can’t raise a family on one income in the uk unless that income is high) AND sold the myth that you can have it all. So all these women dutifully spend years doing their accountancy exams or medical school or a PhD and think they’re doing what they should be doing and then they hit reality. Maternity leave and small toddlers do not work with a really demanding job unless you’ve got enough cash for a nanny or are a superhuman being. junior doctor jobs do not pay enough to hire a nanny. We have a low wage high tax society.
Most men’s bosses don’t have a culture where men can go part time. Most men, IME, don’t want to either. Way more women do want to. So in effect you’ve got three jobs between two of you. Your job, the fathers job, and domestic/childcare.
Women can’t win, you’re either a shoulder padded catlady bitch, or a parasite for being a stay at home mum. There’s no way to win the game. The compromise is part time hours, which lets women work high skill jobs and still raise families.
So... I don’t blame women GPS for wanting to be part time, but yeah, it’s helping to crash the system. That’s what you get for expanding the tax base. Burned out parents and you can’t fill enough job roles. Dunno what the answer is there to be honest.

So yeah, it’s easy to pin the blame on women (You didn’t, I’m just saying generally) but the blame really is the system which demands both parents work and shove the offspring in childcare. Women have been sold a pup and been told they can have it all.

Every time some twat/relation/both rants at me for “wasting my educashunnn” and “not contributing to your family”, I’m inwardly torn between bursting into tears and gouging their fucking eyes out.

If I had stayed in my career - christ, if I went back to it - I would be out by 7 in the morning, home around 10, weekend shit to do in the office, nights away. Entire strings of days would pass where I never set eyes on my children.

I mean, since the spouse would also be gone early and back after bedtime, the kids would literally be raised by the nanny.

People might ask what the fucking point of having kids is if you aren’t going to attempt to parent. But you know, my education that I mostly paid for my damned self wouldn’t be “wasted“.

Of all the jobs I have ever had, this is the one it’s most important I don’t fuck up, but people look at me like I‘ve had a fucking lobotomy for wanting to do it myself. Do they not think there are days when I too would like to get half cut at lunch on the clients’ tab and go for a piss in private? I mean, does shoving trolleys round Sainsburys and wiping arses in yoga pants look very fucking glamorous?

But is this not supposed to be important, trying to do what you think is your best for your kids?