The Mysterious Mr. Enter / Jonathan Rozanski's "Growing Around" - IndieGoGo Campaign Failed, John going off the deep end, "Turning Red" is ignorant about 9/11 (later retracted)

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Not sure if this has been posted but Enter made a journal called "Faith in Humanity"

Source: https://www.deviantart.com/mrenter/journal/Faith-in-humanity-837522553

If you've got anxiety about current events, might be best to avoid this one.

So, today I had a delivery guy come to my door, wearing one of those medical masks. Now, this is becoming increasingly common. Some places, it's even mandatory. However, this guy's mask was only covering his mouth. If you're wearing a medical mask, it's supposed to cover both your mouth and your nose. I mean, I don't blame the guy. After all, here in the states, we've had some politicians wearing their masks that way. Which is... uh... not encouraging.

I'm just going to come out and say it, but one thing that this pandemic has done to me is lower my opinion of just... humanity. People in general. I believe it was George Carlin who once said "imagine how stupid the average person is. Now realize half of 'em are stupider than that." And maybe I should start taking that to heart. I like thinking of the best of people. I think during this time, you've got to think about the best in people. Even though this is the kind of stuff that shows the worst in people.

And it's not just little moments like that either. So, recently there have been a bunch of stories of authoritarian crackdowns. I mean, it's not as bad as China literally welding people in their apartments until they starved to death, but it's a little bit past the pail. A man was arrested for paddle boating. By himself. That apparently broke social distancing rules. Some people were arrested on a bus for not wearing masks, by police not wearing masks, in an area where there was no mandate to wear a mask. A man was arrested for playing in an empty park with his daughter. A church had a drive in service, where people were socially distancing in their cars and they were given 500 dollar fines. And of course, we can't forget, frontline workers such as doctors losing custody of their kids because they are front line workers.

Actually, that's not the most disgusting part. No, the most disgusting part is that when I've come across the majority of these stories, the general reaction on the internet is "good. Shoulda stayed inside." Keep in mind, the majority of these people were working within social distancing protocols, following the law, and in these situations, the authorities have basically decided by not following social distancing protocols, they get to go in a jail cell with many other people, guarenteeing that they'll possible catch stuff.

Oh, and let's not forget only deciding that people can go in certain shops at certain areas so we can be sure that everyone goes in at once. Oh, and let's also prevent people from buying nonessential stuff, like gardening supplies. Because being able to grow your own food is not essential when many places are facing food shortages.

There's just a lot I want to talk about, and it's all in... frustration. And the frustrations from beforehand still haven't gone away. People still thinking that the economy is a rich person problem that will never affect them and then in the next breath talking about how they don't have a job and can't access the unemployment website. People panic buying toilet paper instead of something like canned goods.

I get it. People are anxious right now. Anxious people are stupid. Let's make this clear. Fear and anger compromises your ability to think rationally and logically. People are stuck in a perpetual state of fight-or-flight panic, in a situation which they can do neither. There's an old phrase "bread and circuses." It means that if you keep people entertained and happy, they can accept just about any situation. And in this situation, "bread and circuses" seem scarce. Because you know, entertainment isn't "essential". Because you want people staring at the wall until they can't take it any more and decide that dying of the corona is a better alternative than doing nothing.

I'm trying to put everything into... some kinda order, but it's all coming out... as it comes out. One of the things that I've been... incredibly worried about through this whole thing is the rise of authoritarianism. During times of crisis, this is when politicians and leaders tend to grab for power. People are all locked up inside, can't protest, and the airwaves are flooded with coronavirus news. We've already seen things like the Earn It act. And of course the examples I mentioned above.

And I know what people are saying. "It's for their protection." I mean, I guess. Except these overzealous cops tend to be creating more of a risk than preventing it. Also, we have a first amendment constitutional right to both assembly and to practice religion. "But people will get hurt." Yes. With every single freedom we have, people will get hurt. No freedom comes without consequence. In the US, we have freedom from unlawful search and seizure. Or we used to. People got rid of that because the government thought they could catch more terrorists that way. Every single freedom we have will lead to security holes. This is the risk and responsibility we bare from having freedoms. Whether its gun rights or abortion rights or privacy rights or the freedom to take marijuana. People will get hurt in some case. As a society, we've determined that the consequences are worth it.

And I know that people question the freedom of speech nowadays, but I didn't think the freedom of assembly would come under question. But let's talk freedom of religion. This past Thursday was Passover, and this Sunday (today when you might be reading this), is Easter. These are big holidays for certain religions. And I can guarantee that some people will be celebrating these things, together. And it is their right to do so, at least in the United States, when we have both the freedom of assembly and the freedom of religion. Yes, there is a risk of spreading the disease as they do so.

However, there is another phrase "Live Free or Die." It's a motto that is common and well-known with many people in the United States. Personally, I am gaining a new appreciation for this saying. Living with this kind of acceptance of authoritarianism is wrong. Bad things happen when there is acceptance of the curtailing of rights. Politicians can't do this shit alone. They can only do it when the general populace has determined that the politicians should be doing shit like this.

Also, many of the measures used to deal with the pandemic are borderline useless or worse than useless. Curfews do nothing. They're bullshit. The virus doesn't go to bed during the day, or at night for that matter. All a curfew does is funnel all of the traffic into fewer hours of the day. You know, like only having certain specific stores open. Arresting a guy for paddle boating by himself does nothing to curtail the virus. The only change that I've seen is a notable increase in prejudice towards the religious. I mean, it's always been on the internet, but now... oh boy, it's getting very uncomfortable. But I get it, you're right. Nothing bad has ever happened from singling out a religious group as stupid or dangerous or carrying a disease. Then again, keep doing it. You'll hit the rioting sometime before quarantine is supposed to end.

Economic stuff. People wonder why we can't just keep... printing more money on this one. The answer is that... every dollar you print makes each existing dollar worth less and less. This punishes people who have actually saved for this kind of eventuality, which can make a recession even worse in the long run. Resources are finite. Even money, which we can print an infinite amount of. Keep on printing and just giving it to everyone, and everyone will be in the same place; and more people will be there. And of course, unemployment is a system that only has so much money. These social programs are being pushed to their limits, at the same time taxes (which are used to pay for social programs) are being pushed off.

But of course, keep on sheltering in place until a vaccine comes out. That's the ultimate goal - the end of the road for the pandemic. Once we get a vaccine, we're saved and good. Of course, under regular circumstances, it takes about two years to get a new vaccine. And well... good luck getting people to shelter in place for that long. You can't do it, and if you try, bad things will happen.

I mean... you could try it. We could get rid of this virus if everyone just stays in one place. No going out. Until the food shortages hit. Do you know how long it would take a city like New York City to run out of food without imports? Most likely less than a week. But then again, truck drivers can carry the disease all around the country and the virus could stay on cardboard for more than 24 hours, and someone got the virus just from touching a box. Someone said "we can't let the cure be worse than the disease" and was mocked endlessly for it. It's easy to do so now, because you won't be feeling the effects of the cure until the disease is gone, and then you'll be feeling them for a very long time.

So, let's make this clear. In this situation, no matter what happens, someone is going to get fucked. There will be a large death toll no matter who does what. You cannot save everyone and there is no magical one decision that will save the problem. I understand for a lot of people, this is the first time in their life, they've come across such a situation. Most of the big political problems have had problems that were easy to identify, at least in hindsight. BP oil spill, 9/11, War in Iraq, War on Drugs. The right answer, in hindsight, to all of these, was obvious. Obvious mistakes were made.

I mean, some of the effects are already beginning. I've personally experienced a rise in depression from people that I know. And anxiety. Social distancing and the constant worry of the pandemic is the clear cause. We will see a spike in suicide. And those "I'm drinking at 10 AM now" meme posts are going to become a lot less funny when we have a major spike in alcoholism.

Sure, you don't want to end the quarantine too early. Because when you do end it, the virus cases are going to start to rise again and it's going to be demoralizing because this is what the scenario looks like when we've done everything right. Like, this kinda quarantining... doesn't kill the virus. The purpose of it was to stop the hospitals from being overwhelmed. So, when restrictions start getting lifted, case totals will rise again. Which is... gonna be worrying from a morale perspective. It's gonna make all of this seem useless. It wasn't (unless the number of asymptomatic cases is very large; then it's probably been another counter-intuitive measure). A second quarantine/shelter in place won't happen. It won't be taken seriously. I guarantee it. No matter when shelter in place measures are lifted, the case total will rise when they are; and it is untenable to wait until a vaccine comes out.

A lot of the disconnect we're seeing is because... different people have different ways of looking at the scenario. Every profession has its own stereotypes, I think. Lawyers are seen as evil lairs, for instance. In my experience, doctors tend to be of only medical mind. Which is... good for the most part. You want them to be able to focus on the medical problem; however they tend to neglect what's around the medical part. For example, I feel that every single dentist I've ever had would gladly tell me to stop eating food to prevent cavities if they could.

Let's say you're having problems with your arm. It's your job that's fucking it up and in a few years you might not be able to use it. This is what the doctor has found. However, you can't quit that job because you have a family to support and you can't find another one because the economy is shit and the further along you go with this job, the less likely it is to find another one. Unfortunately, all your doctor is able to really suggest about this is to find another job. What I'm saying is that sometimes the medically correct solution is not the feasibly correct solution. House said it best. Doctors become doctors to treat illnesses, not treat patients. I can't help but feel that way sometimes, and current events are no help in that matter.

So, let's talk about immunity cards or mandatory vaccines. Fauci himself has stated that immunity cards are being discussed. Because that can't at all be used to abuse human rights. Seriously, it is... wrong to do something like that. It makes medical sense. But in humanitarian terms it is the opposite of sense. I don't know how to make this... more clear. I don't have any flowery examples. It is wrong to give a certain group of people paperwork that allows them to travel and work and deny that to other people. Especially if it requires getting a vaccine. Mandatory vaccines is another thing that's come up, usually in debates with anti vaxxers. I am no anti vaxxer. I support getting your vaccines, but mandatory vaccines are a human rights abuse through and through.

I'm sorry, but a government that injected pregnant women with plutonium to see what would happen, a government service that gave LSD to college kids, in an environment were it was legally allowed and encourage to forcibly sterilize mentally handicapped people up until the 70's with a medical apparatus that propagated the Tuskegee in a place where lobotomies were the established science does not get the right to mandate something like forced injections. Ever. I don't care if the individual people or institutions have changed over time. You support these once in history you lose the right to do something like that forever. Everyone does because all of these are perfect examples of why it's a bad idea. Like I said, every right comes with a cost. So, what do you want? Karen not vaccinating her kids, or... anything on that smorgasbord up there.

Anxious people do stupid shit. You know, like demanding that a vaccine get fast tracked past quality control.

You ever wonder why so many leaders like CEO's or politicians are literal sociopaths? I'll tell you why. It's because they're able to make some of these hard decisions that make the rest of us gag. Questions like - if this one person lives, these people are going to suffer abject misery. How long, how much misery, and how many people does it take before that one person should die for the rest of the group? I bring this up, because that's more or less the question being asked. And for many of our leaders, not answering the question isn't an answer. "Is it wiser to let this innocent person live if it means that a thousand others will suffer ten years of misery through no fault of their own? If the answer is yes, then what is the amount in which that person's life becomes too costly" is a question that viscerally disgusts me. It's not one that I can answer, even if by not answering, that number grows greater and greater. Can you put a price on a human life? If you can't, then you will make poor decisions in a situation like this.

Look, this whole situation has put me in some dark places mentally. I have no personal anxiety, but I've had friends and family going through dark places. Lost jobs, depressive spikes, even worse details that I won't go into for the sake of their personal privacy. And I have family members that are vulnerable to the disease; very much so. There are just some things that bug me a lot. If I had to make a list of the "modern seven deadly sins" one of them would clearly be utopianism, the belief that there's this magic thing that we can all do that will solve all of our problems forever. Forgetting that the nature is a harsh force that doesn't care about your feelings or your humanity or the fact that you're here at all.

I've just had a lot of disgust for a lot of behavior that I've seen. Can't tell you if I'll be a misanthrope after all of this is said and done. Like... I've learned to laugh at some of this stupidity. There's a lot of people talking about how this is all so great for the environment and environmentalism. Except that this proves that those drastic environmentalist ideas are completely unsustainable, and it is economically unfeasible to do them. On top of that, one-used plastic shit like one-use plastic cups are far more sanitary than the reusable stuff. This is going to set the environmentalist movement back decades, and people can't see it because they're very short sighted.

I hate this oracle bullshit, I really do. This is what I call "being able to see things that are further than my nose." Seeing the future and where things are going is not fun, and I wouldn't recommend it for anyone's sanity. Even if not doing this makes them anxious which makes them stupid which makes them annoying.

If you're asking me to be hopeful... I don't think I got much of that right now. I mean, yeah, things will get better sooner or later, in some way, shape, or form. There'll be good societal changes with this for sure. People will at least take their damn hygiene more seriously, and maybe airlines will stop throwing people off the planes who purchased their tickets fair and square. Cuz you know, overbooking is a strategy that ain't gonna work much no more.

I like to be a more positive person... at least like in person. I know I shit talk cartoons for a living, but off camera, I try and stay hopeful and optimistic and nice and calm. But I feel that this is one of those events that... changes me. That makes me grow in some strange new direction that might not be for the best. I hope that I'm wrong about a lotta stuff. I hope that people in the real world are outraged by that stuff I mentioned at the beginning, at lot more than they are on the internet. Maybe when we stop this whole shelter in place thing, people will be a lot happier than they've ever been before, no longer taking things they used to do for granted. But, that ain't where my mind is.
 
I'm sorry, but who the fuck is Lucas? Cecelia too, for that matter. I know Shane and Talula, but who the hell are the other two? Have they ever appeared? I will admit I don't read his scripts, but I feel like something as important as series antagonists would have been mentioned in the thread at some point.
When he wrote that, Lucas was a 3 year old corrupt CEO of some megacorp. I only ever heard of him showing up in the first draft of the novel where he cheats the mayoral election to make Sally win if she'll do what he says. Spoiler alert: Sally suffers zero repurcussions for this. Later, Enter scrapped this character but kept the name for a boyband character. No idea who Cecilia is. It's honestly super confusing when there are like 30 existing recurring characters and who knows how many one-offs and he keeps adding more and reusing names all the time.
 
Not sure if this has been posted but Enter made a journal called "Faith in Humanity"

Source: https://www.deviantart.com/mrenter/journal/Faith-in-humanity-837522553

If you've got anxiety about current events, might be best to avoid this one.

So, today I had a delivery guy come to my door, wearing one of those medical masks. Now, this is becoming increasingly common. Some places, it's even mandatory. However, this guy's mask was only covering his mouth. If you're wearing a medical mask, it's supposed to cover both your mouth and your nose. I mean, I don't blame the guy. After all, here in the states, we've had some politicians wearing their masks that way. Which is... uh... not encouraging.

I'm just going to come out and say it, but one thing that this pandemic has done to me is lower my opinion of just... humanity. People in general. I believe it was George Carlin who once said "imagine how stupid the average person is. Now realize half of 'em are stupider than that." And maybe I should start taking that to heart. I like thinking of the best of people. I think during this time, you've got to think about the best in people. Even though this is the kind of stuff that shows the worst in people.

And it's not just little moments like that either. So, recently there have been a bunch of stories of authoritarian crackdowns. I mean, it's not as bad as China literally welding people in their apartments until they starved to death, but it's a little bit past the pail. A man was arrested for paddle boating. By himself. That apparently broke social distancing rules. Some people were arrested on a bus for not wearing masks, by police not wearing masks, in an area where there was no mandate to wear a mask. A man was arrested for playing in an empty park with his daughter. A church had a drive in service, where people were socially distancing in their cars and they were given 500 dollar fines. And of course, we can't forget, frontline workers such as doctors losing custody of their kids because they are front line workers.

Actually, that's not the most disgusting part. No, the most disgusting part is that when I've come across the majority of these stories, the general reaction on the internet is "good. Shoulda stayed inside." Keep in mind, the majority of these people were working within social distancing protocols, following the law, and in these situations, the authorities have basically decided by not following social distancing protocols, they get to go in a jail cell with many other people, guarenteeing that they'll possible catch stuff.

Oh, and let's not forget only deciding that people can go in certain shops at certain areas so we can be sure that everyone goes in at once. Oh, and let's also prevent people from buying nonessential stuff, like gardening supplies. Because being able to grow your own food is not essential when many places are facing food shortages.

There's just a lot I want to talk about, and it's all in... frustration. And the frustrations from beforehand still haven't gone away. People still thinking that the economy is a rich person problem that will never affect them and then in the next breath talking about how they don't have a job and can't access the unemployment website. People panic buying toilet paper instead of something like canned goods.

I get it. People are anxious right now. Anxious people are stupid. Let's make this clear. Fear and anger compromises your ability to think rationally and logically. People are stuck in a perpetual state of fight-or-flight panic, in a situation which they can do neither. There's an old phrase "bread and circuses." It means that if you keep people entertained and happy, they can accept just about any situation. And in this situation, "bread and circuses" seem scarce. Because you know, entertainment isn't "essential". Because you want people staring at the wall until they can't take it any more and decide that dying of the corona is a better alternative than doing nothing.

I'm trying to put everything into... some kinda order, but it's all coming out... as it comes out. One of the things that I've been... incredibly worried about through this whole thing is the rise of authoritarianism. During times of crisis, this is when politicians and leaders tend to grab for power. People are all locked up inside, can't protest, and the airwaves are flooded with coronavirus news. We've already seen things like the Earn It act. And of course the examples I mentioned above.

And I know what people are saying. "It's for their protection." I mean, I guess. Except these overzealous cops tend to be creating more of a risk than preventing it. Also, we have a first amendment constitutional right to both assembly and to practice religion. "But people will get hurt." Yes. With every single freedom we have, people will get hurt. No freedom comes without consequence. In the US, we have freedom from unlawful search and seizure. Or we used to. People got rid of that because the government thought they could catch more terrorists that way. Every single freedom we have will lead to security holes. This is the risk and responsibility we bare from having freedoms. Whether its gun rights or abortion rights or privacy rights or the freedom to take marijuana. People will get hurt in some case. As a society, we've determined that the consequences are worth it.

And I know that people question the freedom of speech nowadays, but I didn't think the freedom of assembly would come under question. But let's talk freedom of religion. This past Thursday was Passover, and this Sunday (today when you might be reading this), is Easter. These are big holidays for certain religions. And I can guarantee that some people will be celebrating these things, together. And it is their right to do so, at least in the United States, when we have both the freedom of assembly and the freedom of religion. Yes, there is a risk of spreading the disease as they do so.

However, there is another phrase "Live Free or Die." It's a motto that is common and well-known with many people in the United States. Personally, I am gaining a new appreciation for this saying. Living with this kind of acceptance of authoritarianism is wrong. Bad things happen when there is acceptance of the curtailing of rights. Politicians can't do this shit alone. They can only do it when the general populace has determined that the politicians should be doing shit like this.

Also, many of the measures used to deal with the pandemic are borderline useless or worse than useless. Curfews do nothing. They're bullshit. The virus doesn't go to bed during the day, or at night for that matter. All a curfew does is funnel all of the traffic into fewer hours of the day. You know, like only having certain specific stores open. Arresting a guy for paddle boating by himself does nothing to curtail the virus. The only change that I've seen is a notable increase in prejudice towards the religious. I mean, it's always been on the internet, but now... oh boy, it's getting very uncomfortable. But I get it, you're right. Nothing bad has ever happened from singling out a religious group as stupid or dangerous or carrying a disease. Then again, keep doing it. You'll hit the rioting sometime before quarantine is supposed to end.

Economic stuff. People wonder why we can't just keep... printing more money on this one. The answer is that... every dollar you print makes each existing dollar worth less and less. This punishes people who have actually saved for this kind of eventuality, which can make a recession even worse in the long run. Resources are finite. Even money, which we can print an infinite amount of. Keep on printing and just giving it to everyone, and everyone will be in the same place; and more people will be there. And of course, unemployment is a system that only has so much money. These social programs are being pushed to their limits, at the same time taxes (which are used to pay for social programs) are being pushed off.

But of course, keep on sheltering in place until a vaccine comes out. That's the ultimate goal - the end of the road for the pandemic. Once we get a vaccine, we're saved and good. Of course, under regular circumstances, it takes about two years to get a new vaccine. And well... good luck getting people to shelter in place for that long. You can't do it, and if you try, bad things will happen.

I mean... you could try it. We could get rid of this virus if everyone just stays in one place. No going out. Until the food shortages hit. Do you know how long it would take a city like New York City to run out of food without imports? Most likely less than a week. But then again, truck drivers can carry the disease all around the country and the virus could stay on cardboard for more than 24 hours, and someone got the virus just from touching a box. Someone said "we can't let the cure be worse than the disease" and was mocked endlessly for it. It's easy to do so now, because you won't be feeling the effects of the cure until the disease is gone, and then you'll be feeling them for a very long time.

So, let's make this clear. In this situation, no matter what happens, someone is going to get fucked. There will be a large death toll no matter who does what. You cannot save everyone and there is no magical one decision that will save the problem. I understand for a lot of people, this is the first time in their life, they've come across such a situation. Most of the big political problems have had problems that were easy to identify, at least in hindsight. BP oil spill, 9/11, War in Iraq, War on Drugs. The right answer, in hindsight, to all of these, was obvious. Obvious mistakes were made.

I mean, some of the effects are already beginning. I've personally experienced a rise in depression from people that I know. And anxiety. Social distancing and the constant worry of the pandemic is the clear cause. We will see a spike in suicide. And those "I'm drinking at 10 AM now" meme posts are going to become a lot less funny when we have a major spike in alcoholism.

Sure, you don't want to end the quarantine too early. Because when you do end it, the virus cases are going to start to rise again and it's going to be demoralizing because this is what the scenario looks like when we've done everything right. Like, this kinda quarantining... doesn't kill the virus. The purpose of it was to stop the hospitals from being overwhelmed. So, when restrictions start getting lifted, case totals will rise again. Which is... gonna be worrying from a morale perspective. It's gonna make all of this seem useless. It wasn't (unless the number of asymptomatic cases is very large; then it's probably been another counter-intuitive measure). A second quarantine/shelter in place won't happen. It won't be taken seriously. I guarantee it. No matter when shelter in place measures are lifted, the case total will rise when they are; and it is untenable to wait until a vaccine comes out.

A lot of the disconnect we're seeing is because... different people have different ways of looking at the scenario. Every profession has its own stereotypes, I think. Lawyers are seen as evil lairs, for instance. In my experience, doctors tend to be of only medical mind. Which is... good for the most part. You want them to be able to focus on the medical problem; however they tend to neglect what's around the medical part. For example, I feel that every single dentist I've ever had would gladly tell me to stop eating food to prevent cavities if they could.

Let's say you're having problems with your arm. It's your job that's fucking it up and in a few years you might not be able to use it. This is what the doctor has found. However, you can't quit that job because you have a family to support and you can't find another one because the economy is shit and the further along you go with this job, the less likely it is to find another one. Unfortunately, all your doctor is able to really suggest about this is to find another job. What I'm saying is that sometimes the medically correct solution is not the feasibly correct solution. House said it best. Doctors become doctors to treat illnesses, not treat patients. I can't help but feel that way sometimes, and current events are no help in that matter.

So, let's talk about immunity cards or mandatory vaccines. Fauci himself has stated that immunity cards are being discussed. Because that can't at all be used to abuse human rights. Seriously, it is... wrong to do something like that. It makes medical sense. But in humanitarian terms it is the opposite of sense. I don't know how to make this... more clear. I don't have any flowery examples. It is wrong to give a certain group of people paperwork that allows them to travel and work and deny that to other people. Especially if it requires getting a vaccine. Mandatory vaccines is another thing that's come up, usually in debates with anti vaxxers. I am no anti vaxxer. I support getting your vaccines, but mandatory vaccines are a human rights abuse through and through.

I'm sorry, but a government that injected pregnant women with plutonium to see what would happen, a government service that gave LSD to college kids, in an environment were it was legally allowed and encourage to forcibly sterilize mentally handicapped people up until the 70's with a medical apparatus that propagated the Tuskegee in a place where lobotomies were the established science does not get the right to mandate something like forced injections. Ever. I don't care if the individual people or institutions have changed over time. You support these once in history you lose the right to do something like that forever. Everyone does because all of these are perfect examples of why it's a bad idea. Like I said, every right comes with a cost. So, what do you want? Karen not vaccinating her kids, or... anything on that smorgasbord up there.

Anxious people do stupid shit. You know, like demanding that a vaccine get fast tracked past quality control.

You ever wonder why so many leaders like CEO's or politicians are literal sociopaths? I'll tell you why. It's because they're able to make some of these hard decisions that make the rest of us gag. Questions like - if this one person lives, these people are going to suffer abject misery. How long, how much misery, and how many people does it take before that one person should die for the rest of the group? I bring this up, because that's more or less the question being asked. And for many of our leaders, not answering the question isn't an answer. "Is it wiser to let this innocent person live if it means that a thousand others will suffer ten years of misery through no fault of their own? If the answer is yes, then what is the amount in which that person's life becomes too costly" is a question that viscerally disgusts me. It's not one that I can answer, even if by not answering, that number grows greater and greater. Can you put a price on a human life? If you can't, then you will make poor decisions in a situation like this.

Look, this whole situation has put me in some dark places mentally. I have no personal anxiety, but I've had friends and family going through dark places. Lost jobs, depressive spikes, even worse details that I won't go into for the sake of their personal privacy. And I have family members that are vulnerable to the disease; very much so. There are just some things that bug me a lot. If I had to make a list of the "modern seven deadly sins" one of them would clearly be utopianism, the belief that there's this magic thing that we can all do that will solve all of our problems forever. Forgetting that the nature is a harsh force that doesn't care about your feelings or your humanity or the fact that you're here at all.

I've just had a lot of disgust for a lot of behavior that I've seen. Can't tell you if I'll be a misanthrope after all of this is said and done. Like... I've learned to laugh at some of this stupidity. There's a lot of people talking about how this is all so great for the environment and environmentalism. Except that this proves that those drastic environmentalist ideas are completely unsustainable, and it is economically unfeasible to do them. On top of that, one-used plastic shit like one-use plastic cups are far more sanitary than the reusable stuff. This is going to set the environmentalist movement back decades, and people can't see it because they're very short sighted.

I hate this oracle bullshit, I really do. This is what I call "being able to see things that are further than my nose." Seeing the future and where things are going is not fun, and I wouldn't recommend it for anyone's sanity. Even if not doing this makes them anxious which makes them stupid which makes them annoying.

If you're asking me to be hopeful... I don't think I got much of that right now. I mean, yeah, things will get better sooner or later, in some way, shape, or form. There'll be good societal changes with this for sure. People will at least take their damn hygiene more seriously, and maybe airlines will stop throwing people off the planes who purchased their tickets fair and square. Cuz you know, overbooking is a strategy that ain't gonna work much no more.

I like to be a more positive person... at least like in person. I know I shit talk cartoons for a living, but off camera, I try and stay hopeful and optimistic and nice and calm. But I feel that this is one of those events that... changes me. That makes me grow in some strange new direction that might not be for the best. I hope that I'm wrong about a lotta stuff. I hope that people in the real world are outraged by that stuff I mentioned at the beginning, at lot more than they are on the internet. Maybe when we stop this whole shelter in place thing, people will be a lot happier than they've ever been before, no longer taking things they used to do for granted. But, that ain't where my mind is.

Well, at least he ain't talking about Growing Around all that much for once, which is nice enough.

Too bad he's not talking much sense as he wants to believe he is, smart and optimistic as he wants to come off in this recent opinion piece, either.

I fear this poor motherfucker's been cooped up more than long before when the so-called lock downs began definitely has something to do with it, really...
 
I thought it was supposed to be a play on the phrase "Kidding around", but the synopsis of his book says that the title refers to how the people in the world are all "growing around". I doubt this is what he's intending, but it sounds like it's referencing how in this world you grow up and then need to be systematically broken and oppressed until you've reverted to a childlike state, thus meaning you have come full circle and have "grown around".

I think my favorite part of this series is that when you get down to it, Shane, the Big Villain, is just some dude who wants equal rights.
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Dont forget the last lines of his theme song
“In this world where we’re all growing around tee hee”


Juwt lurk a little more, is all I have to say from here. The way I see it, the more you read into Growing Around, the less fucking tame he unfortunately becomes. Plus, he sucks royal ass at the whole critic thing, so that's bonus points against him, really - he's kinda like The Irate Gamer of what he chooses to focus on, in the grand scheme of things, made worse by something he can't really get off the ground the way it is right now.

I don't think this would be so frustrating if he knew anything, let alone how to do anything when it comes to making an actual cartoon worth seeing, honestly.
Well, at least he ain't talking about Growing Around all that much for once, which is nice enough.

Too bad he's not talking much sense as he wants to believe he is, smart and optimistic as he wants to come off in this recent opinion piece, either.

I fear this poor motherfucker's been cooped up more than long before when the so-called lock downs began definitely has something to do with it, really...

Look, I’m gonna ask this of you one last time. Please calm down. You’re still talking like a raving lunatic. And you unironically brought up Chris Bores of all people. This isn’t 2009
 
Lucas is a character in the boyband Sally likes. Cecelia is, well, there's no delicate way to put this; she's an Adult Baby.
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You'd think that infantilizing yourself would be the way to please your oppressors in this world, but she's still bad because she isn't up on the latest trends, and because she won't grow up. In a world that penalizes you for doing exactly that.

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Well, at least he ain't talking about Growing Around all that much for once, which is nice enough.

Too bad he's not talking much sense as he wants to believe he is, smart and optimistic as he wants to come off in this recent opinion piece, either.

I fear this poor motherfucker's been cooped up more than long before when the so-called lock downs began definitely has something to do with it, really...
I fear you being cooped up right now is having an effect, honestly.

Holy shit, did he write a self insert on accident?
Could be, this wouldn't be the first time, since Robert/The Dad character looks exactly like Enter would if he had muscular arms, but also somehow a beer gut.
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Because of this I assumed Robert was something of a self-insert, but he barely appears and when he does he has very little to do, so I guess not.
 
I fear you being cooped up right now is having an effect, honestly.


Could be, this wouldn't be the first time, since Robert/The Dad character looks exactly like Enter would if he had muscular arms, but also somehow a beer gut.
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Because of this I assumed Robert was something of a self-insert, but he barely appears and when he does he has very little to do, so I guess not.
Let's go over the list:
>Adult that hates adulthood
>Idealizes childhood to an unhealthy degree
>Doesn't understand that you can't just act immature and immediately be a kid again
>Obsessive over things that were popular when they were a kid
>NO REFERENCE OR UNDERSTANDING TO HOW ACTUAL CHILDREN ARE
>Only ever serious about childish things
It can't be intentional, because it's a checklist of traits Enter is unable to admit about himself, but everyone looking in from the outside can see.
 
I thought it was supposed to be a play on the phrase "Kidding around", but the synopsis of his book says that the title refers to how the people in the world are all "growing around". I doubt this is what he's intending, but it sounds like it's referencing how in this world you grow up and then need to be systematically broken and oppressed until you've reverted to a childlike state, thus meaning you have come full circle and have "grown around".

I think my favorite part of this series is that when you get down to it, Shane, the Big Villain, is just some dude who wants equal rights.
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Forgive me for nitpicking, and for trying to find some method to the hellish spawn of some internet famous autist, but how did a career in programming and game design give Shane 'knowledge in psychology?

Let’s be real, that’s probably exactly what John is like at family events

I think there is a bit of Cecilia too. Neither of them have any idea how kids act, despite having once been such.
 
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Forgive me for nitpicking, and for trying to find some method to the hellish spawn of some internet famous autist, but how did a career in programming and game design give Shane 'knowledge in psychology?



I think there is a bit of Cecilia too. Neither of them have any idea how kids act, despite having once been such.
The fact that Robert is supposed to be the “fun parent” leads me to believe that he is intended to be the self insert, aside from Sally of course. For the most part, he’s the ideal adult and even does well in school, and serves as the opposite to the “unfun” Linda.
It seems like enter saying “look at me! I’m totally what kids want in an adult!” Why else would he model the character after himself?

Of course, this is the guy who possibly took his societal views from the party scene in the Jimmy Neutron movie without acknowledging the utter chaos the kids wound up in immediately after. So you can never be sure what he’s thinking.
 
Robert is such a nothing character, he does jack shit in every script except maybe get one or two lines of dialogue. By this point he exists only for Enter to live through him and for his designer to project her daddy fetishes onto.

It is increasingly obvious that Enter has a concerning fixation on Sally that goes far beyond normal. Sure she's the main character, but my god Enter is obsessed with her. She's pretty much the only character he has ever personally drawn himself, apart from one or two drawings of Max crossdressing naturally, and the stuff he revealed during the Max's Many Birthday review about how he wishes he was Sally speaks friggin volumes.
 
Forgive me for nitpicking, and for trying to find some method to the hellish spawn of some internet famous autist, but how did a career in programming and game design give Shane 'knowledge in psychology?
I actually think that's a pretty clever character trait,at least in a cartoony sense. Game devs have to manipulate players into doing what the game requires without letting them get bored. They have to understand how players will behave in certain situations and condition them to react a certain way. It makes sense for Shane to know how to program games designed to be destructively addictive.

What doesn't make sense is why Shane does poorly in school and isn't treated like a celebrity. Other adults seem to lose their knowledge and creativity, hence why they go to school. But Shane clearly hasn't lost his, so I don't get why he's not considered one of the "cool" adults. He could keep programming games, gain the respect of kids, and have a decent life in this universe.
 
What doesn't make sense is why Shane does poorly in school and isn't treated like a celebrity. Other adults seem to lose their knowledge and creativity, hence why they go to school. But Shane clearly hasn't lost his, so I don't get why he's not considered one of the "cool" adults. He could keep programming games, gain the respect of kids, and have a decent life in this universe.

Shane's got creativity, sure, but he never applies it unless it's part of some grand master plan to bring the adults back into power. Whenever he's not playing the villain, he's just a Squidward-ish sad sack in the background. "Woe is me, no matter how hard I try, my efforts will always be crushed by these stupid kids, so why bother trying at all?"
 
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Shane's got creativity, sure, but he never applies it unless it's part of some grand master plan to bring the adults back into power. Whenever he's not playing the villain, he's just a Squidward-ish sad sack in the background. "Woe is me, no matter how hard I try, my efforts will always be crushed by these stupid kids, so why bother trying at all?"
I think this is a character that breaks the world of Growing Around the most because unless an adult is content in this world or apathetic like Sally's mom, these adults would likely start an uprising and it would be easy to overthrow the children. Children don't even have weapons in this world like traditional guns, so it doesn't make sense that adults would accept going to school or letting their kids decide things. Cartoon logic or not, if Shane exists, then there are automatically other adults that feel like him and this would destroy Growing Around. If Enter really wants a villain, he should develop Talula more and leave out adults that want their freedom.
 
I think this is a character that breaks the world of Growing Around the most because unless an adult is content in this world or apathetic like Sally's mom, these adults would likely start an uprising and it would be easy to overthrow the children. Children don't even have weapons in this world like traditional guns, so it doesn't make sense that adults would accept going to school or letting their kids decide things. Cartoon logic or not, if Shane exists, then there are automatically other adults that feel like him and this would destroy Growing Around. If Enter really wants a villain, he should develop Talula more and leave out adults that want their freedom.
While they don't have actual. guns, they got some pretry insane torture devices, like the electrocution gun. That's how they get adults into the ABDL reeducation camps.
 
I think this is a character that breaks the world of Growing Around the most because unless an adult is content in this world or apathetic like Sally's mom, these adults would likely start an uprising and it would be easy to overthrow the children. Children don't even have weapons in this world like traditional guns, so it doesn't make sense that adults would accept going to school or letting their kids decide things. Cartoon logic or not, if Shane exists, then there are automatically other adults that feel like him and this would destroy Growing Around. If Enter really wants a villain, he should develop Talula more and leave out adults that want their freedom.
The official excuse is "adults are happier in this world" even though the opposite is almost always shown. Only the dad character is happy, everyone else is miserable. There's a hilarious conversation in Enter's discord server where he says it would be impossible for adults to rebel anyway because an adult couldn't realistically defend themself from 10 kids with weighted yoyos. Even if that was the case, wouldn't adults out number kids?
 
The official excuse is "adults are happier in this world" even though the opposite is almost always shown. Only the dad character is happy, everyone else is miserable. There's a hilarious conversation in Enter's discord server where he says it would be impossible for adults to rebel anyway because an adult couldn't realistically defend themself from 10 kids with weighted yoyos. Even if that was the case, wouldn't adults out number kids?
If they wanted to stop the child dictatorship, couldnt the adults just stop having sex? Its not like kids know how babies are made.
 
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