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It goes even farther than that. Most of those "Veterans" are supposedly staunchly Pro-Capitalism, but they conveniently 'forgot' that the military they're so fond of telling stories about, is 100% totalitarian socialsim. Nobody gets to 'vote' on leadership, or decide where they want to live, or what job they do. The military base is "commons" from one end to the other, with schools, theaters, gyms, parks & rec, and 'free' housing.

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I'll take the bait, fuck it.

The military is the Dictatorship that enables the Republic to stand free. It is a dichotomy as old as civilization - violence can secure peace; an authoritarian military can keep the liberal republic free. The key is keeping that Dictatorship in check, ere Caesar crosses the Rubicon. In America the military answers to appointed civilian Secretaries who answer to an elected civilian President.
Peaceniks and socialites are able to sleep soundly at night because rough men are willing to kill on their behalf.
 
If you think the president of australia has handled this well... you have issues. The famine from his mismanagement will be catastrofic.
I did not say that. I very specifically did not say that.

Technically, I said 'we', not anyone in particular. Also it's the Prime Minister, not the President.

Australia has been dealing with this on relatively easy mode. High tech, low pop, low density. Most small apartments at least capable of cooking their own food. Most vulnerable communities are settlements for aboriginal tribes far out in the middle of bugfuck nowhere.

We're barely breaking double-digit infections in every state. Even some of the places which non-stop trashed ScoMo had to admit Australia got a handle on it fast. And if they want to attribute everything that went wrong in America to Trump, they're forced to cut the Mo some slack. (or take a nuanced look at the differences between state and federal powers, but they're not that smart).

Besides, the joke was that he's the one who unleashed the plague for political gain. I don't think that sort of joke counts as praise.
 
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it’s very obvious that a proportion of foreign students (from various areas tbh, not just China) are spies, both political and industrial, and I think we will see increasing scrutiny of foreign visa applicants in certain fields.
It certainly puts some moments from earlier in my career in perspective, when I’ve seen senior figures warn UK students against working in predominantly Chinese labs/programs. The older I get, the more I think on a few moments from years back with that ‘ooooohhhh... THATS what that was all about.’
Is it like in American Dad where the spies are upbeat and blatantly wanting to talk to you about your work all the time? Im sure honeypots work really fucking well in science fields too.
 
So will Australia institute policeys like mass testing and travel restrictions to help keep things under control?
 
So. Morning news. Hospital nothing new, really, still trying to discover what kind of eldritch abomination hides in our kitchen. So far the guard holds. I still don't have numbers, which is easy to see why. And today is the next Control Session so it's gonna be a political shitfest. From what I heard government has started strong by pointing out all the more right-wing esque small business grants and economy-minded policies they have pushed through to destroy the PP's claims of inaction but we know it's gonna devolve into namecalling as soon as the opposition gets the mic. Again, that's not a critique of the current opposition, though they certainly deserve it for doing so in THIS fucking time, it's more of a criticism of the format because when the roles were reversed it ended the same way, this shit's worthless and actively annoying. But we'll see, honestly I think if the opposition does the predictable thing they will hurt themselves. So far they've done nothing but backstab and screech, if they don't have actual proposals and concrete criticism after the government pointed out all they've done they will look like a buncha hooligans in suits, and that's starting to become a stereotype for good reason.

Fun fact: the most gorrupt elements of spain and the most close minded part of the higher class are OBSESSED with image. They literally insult people that don't own expensive suits by calling them "perroflautas" (dog-and-flutes, a reference to mendicants that only owned an adopted stray and some musical instrument and went from place to place begging and looking for work during the dictatorship) and they even tried to use that against Podemos, with predictable results, by calling Iglesisas "el coletas", insulting him for not going to the hairdresser, meanwhile our scientists, like Fernando Simon, have been convinced being a scientist means making a vow of poverty, and own no suits. Preferring whatever is confortable. So it's caused the hilarious effect of having THE most uncultured, idiotic, ignorant, insulting dregs to all have exoensive suits and long family names while our actual smart people look and act nothing like them. This dissonance has been a massive source of pain for the right for a while now, as you can imagine how well it fits with more communist anti-burgeoise stereotypes. So right now they CAN'T afford to reinforce that stereotype, not when the left is looking more and more like an actual center with so many pro-capitalism measures. But of course, much like the burgerland left, the spanish right is moronic, so we'll see.

I hate to say this because one of the really good things about working in medical research is being able to work with smart people from all over the world. And working with people from all over the world is fun, and educational, and often leads to great breakthroughs because people come at problems from a standpoint you might not have thought of. And there are really good researchers and medics from China just as from everywhere and now they will all be tarred with the same brush.
But: it’s very obvious that a proportion of foreign students (from various areas tbh, not just China) are spies, both political and industrial, and I think we will see increasing scrutiny of foreign visa applicants in certain fields.
It certainly puts some moments from earlier in my career in perspective, when I’ve seen senior figures warn UK students against working in predominantly Chinese labs/programs. The older I get, the more I think on a few moments from years back with that ‘ooooohhhh... THATS what that was all about.’

I would almost agree to the first part. But thing is. The "bolsas" are at least conceptually fair. They certainly got their quirks I talked about one such issue here and I have many, MANY more, specially when corrupt elements try to bend the law, we've had a lot of fights. But they sure as shit don't messure nationality. And spain does a literal metric fuckton of studies in cooperation with all of the west and most of the east every fucking month. Yet you'll be hard pressed to find a single fucking chink over here. It seems as soon as you measure their merit they disappear never to be seen again. So I have to wonder why that is, I mean, we literally even got god damned south africans that managed to pass the culling, and as I said before they are *the worst* even by african standards so really if even those guys can pass what the fuck is going on in china to suck this badly?

Edit: so the first round of right wing critique has been "you lie, you improvise, you have no predictions, you caused uncertainty, oh won't someone think of the economy", the second point was correct. The first one wasn't, the third one was HILARIOUS as the left wing speaker had just explained their predictions. They've been mostly respectful but it's still scripted and obviously so, so half props. Then the left wing took the stand with more thorough prediction explaining and hilariously enough giving props to the business owners that have taken measures to help the pandemic effort and reduce economic impact. Then she rightfully pointed out just how much the curve has flattented and how other countries are handling this. I gotta say, props to the PP for refusing to shitfling, they're taking a beating ideologically but to be honest the left wing 3rd vicepresident (our ministers are also vicepresidents as to make sure the line of command stands, resulting in such hilarious charges) had prepared well so she was winning this one no matter what. I think this might signal the PP dropping the conspiratards and focusing on being the reasonable opposition, which could earn then right wing votes soon enough. They also keep pushing the "we'll deal if you're honest" narrative which means they haven't YET decided to blame the government for everything and be actively worthless, so I think we'll see them aid the Moncloa Pact soon enough, they're being more intelligent than usual, which is good. Seems we're getting out of this one boys.

Edit2: 2nd round is both better and worse. The right wing at least has proposed real measurable shit, which is good. But they've also resorting to commie namecalling and blaming everything on podemos again, so they sure as shit didn't drop their plan to possibly backstab us. The left wing has yet to respond again.

Left wing answer has been inadequate. She's focused too much on the namecalling part, denied improvising wich is hilarious and entered some namecalling of her own. At least I technically agree with the 3 types of people thing it's something I've said here in the past and it is a call for action calling out the PPs inaction, but it was not the place and time, this is breaking down into the usual shit and Vox has yet to intervene...

EDIT: Nevermind that was the end next one is on the 15th! Well. That was better than expected and ending in a call to action while the execution has been shit is at least a good idea. Gotta say, could've been much worse. Props to the right for not shitting it up too much and not props to the left for lowering themselves to their level! Overall, gets a passing grade for spain as a whole!

Also, on the live chat Vox has been spamming F. They're really fucking desperate...
 
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It goes even farther than that. Most of those "Veterans" are supposedly staunchly Pro-Capitalism, but they conveniently 'forgot' that the military they're so fond of telling stories about, is 100% totalitarian socialsim. Nobody gets to 'vote' on leadership, or decide where they want to live, or what job they do. The military base is "commons" from one end to the other, with schools, theaters, gyms, parks & rec, and 'free' housing.

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Well, let's see...

For your work, as if you were in a union and much like a union, you get: Free medical. Free dental. Lawyer (your union rep), supervisors who can stand up for you. You even get vision insurance, life insurance. You know, like working for a major corporation that offers benefits.

The Commisary, PX, snack bar, bowling alley, drinking clubs, are all run off of money.

Which you earn doing a job you signed up for, as well as maintenance tasks. And your job? You decided that upon entering. You can even apply for additional training to take other jobs. (Dual MOS club 4 lyfe, yo) You can apply for which base you want to go to, even apply for units. You can stress a reason to NOT go to a post (Which I did at one time. I went to 21st Replacement and gave my reasons why I needed a different post and was granted) or even a unit.

Like in union, there are some jobs that can only be done by certified personnel.

You VOTE for the most important thing: Your reps in Senate and Congress, and, of course, your ultimate leader, who will then assign your other leaders: The Joint Chiefs and the Secretaries.

Like working for a major corporation, you don't get to vote for your leaders. They are assigned from a pool of leaders.

Schools are part of the American school system. Parks are part of American life. On base housing actually costs you, as you won't be getting BAQ, which give you money for off post housing. Like most corporate housing, on-base housing a shit-fire. The barracks, your other free housing, is community housing like working at a site dependent corporation, which often puts housing up for workers.

The theater costs money to go to.

See, you call it "totalitarian socialism" without understanding the meaning of those words and not really understanding the military.

It's pretty much a government job for hazardous environment.

There are QUITE a few jobs in the military that, since the 1990's, have been slowly phased into civilian contractors.

But, your bait would have been better except you threw the whole pole in and then sank the boat yelling "FREE BAIT!"
 
Mike Graham, who I concede is a bit of a cunt, on Trump defunding the WHO with Christopher Snowdon of the IEA.



Turns out the US is #1 funder, the UK is #2. Most countries are free riders. Snowden points out that US Congress has written a letter demanding its correspondence with China, rather like a Freedom Of Information request. Trump's defunding is linked to that. If the WHO releases the info then the funding will come back, though I bet Tedros would need to step down if it comes out he's been covering up for China.

Snowden also points out that the WHO spends its time pushing for bans on vaping and sugary food, ie first world problems. A cynic would say that calling out this sort of stuff is politically much safer than calling out third world tyrannies for mishandling epidemics, particularly when one of those third world tyrannies got you the job. Snowden also compares the WHO to FIFA, another dodgy supernational organization.

At the end, Graham goes full-on batshit and demands WHO people be investigated and locked up. This is why I don't like the guy to be honest. He gives honest gammon a bad name.
 
Is it like in American Dad where the spies are upbeat and blatantly wanting to talk to you about your work all the time? Im sure honeypots work really fucking well in science fields too.
Scientists will sperg on about their work if you just stand in front of them and don’t run away, to be honest. They’re compulsively chatty about it and assume everyone is as interested as they are.

It’s more that researchers themselves will be feeding info back, so the danger is people planted in organisations. Hence visa restrictions needed.
Most stuff is really regulated. You’ve got private companies where everyone signs NDAs as a default. Medical as in clinical working directly with patients you’ll have an NDA for the commercial side and whatever equivalent to medical ethics / HIPPAA you have where you are. Patient confidentiality is sacrosanct (or should be.) Anything military will be locked down by them, I’m sure they have similar procedures.
The wild card is university type labs and institutes where out of the blue someone does something that has scary implications In a low security environment . The guy who cycled flu through an animal model until it turned into Turbo Flu for example - journals wouldn’t publish and it sparked a big debate on freedom of scientific publishing. Should you be allowed to publish how you made something that could wipe out half of humanity? Maybe not.
When you see funding pulled suddenly for interesting stuff or no further mention of it you can assume that it’s either not worked out (most of the time) , or been snapped up by commercial or defence, depending on what it is. The Predict program for example, ‘came to the end of its funding cycle’ (aye right) and bits got taken up by the pentagon’s DTRA and other bits went to the NIH.

You do sometimes see things that In some lights are really odd. There are two deaths in particular of scientists in the UK I think need more investigation, but I doubt that will ever happen, and I won’t PL any more about them.

Frankly, I think there are some areas where I would rather the US/a few select non insane countries’ military should be the only ones running work, under proper oversight. Civilian and commercial aren’t secure enough for some stuff, either physically or in terms of lost IP/information leaks. Think about how much economic damage corona is doing, then think of how much a flu that killed say 20% of the infected would do, and how you’d be unable to trace or prove it wasn’t natural. This is more disruption than a fairly major war, less controllable and with wider spread and lethality.

Anyway...

I demand to be honey trapped now, and I feel quite aggrieved that this has never happened to me during my career. Maybe they go for the guys more?
 
Some complained about Corona-chan's racism and they don't practice what they preach like the mayor of Chicago who got an haircut. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/_covid19_and_racism.html


April 15, 2020
Covid-19 and racism
By Henry Percy
The left is busy telling us that Covid-19 hits everyone alike. Here’s an example from the National Immigration Forum: “Policymakers should respond to COVID-19 by considering the health and safety of all people — including all types of immigrants, asylum seekers, and refugees.” Because people are people, right?
Wrong. It does not infect us all the same, and mortality varies greatly by demographic group. In fact, all diseases are selective. Women are far more likely to get breast cancer than men. And men are incalculably more likely to develop prostate cancer than women. It’s just not fair.
But to return to Covid-19. As Mark Steyn has noted, a victim of the disease over 60 who enters an ICU has a one in two chance of walking out (see Boris Johnson). A victim over 70 has a one in three chance of making it out alive (see John Prine).
Lori Lightfoot, mayor of Chicago (who flouted her stay-at-home decree to get her hair cut because “I'm the public face of this city … I felt like I needed to have a haircut.”), is distressed that “72% of people in Chicago who have died from COVID-19 are Black despite African Americans making up just 30% of the city's population.” She admits that she does not have good data on the disease, but no matter. Because racism.
Then there’s the Tuesday Arizona Republic:
Native Americans, older people and men are dying in disproportionate numbers in Arizona from Covid-19, the data show, although information on the race and ethnicity of cases and deaths is incomplete.
The state says race is unknown for 63% of the new coronavirus cases and 49% of those who have died.
[emphasis added]
“Incomplete” is a vast understatement. We have no idea of race in half of fatalities and in nearly two-thirds of total cases, yet we can draw conclusions.
 
I demand to be honey trapped now, and I feel quite aggrieved that this has never happened to me during my career. Maybe they go for the guys more?
From what i remember honeypots were usually gays. Because of how dating works, guys instantly think something is up if a woman approaches them. The guy that got seatbelts in cars was approached by an ex-playboy bunny paid off by auto execs, he immediately knew something was up. Although i always thought that would have been a great idea for a film a decade ago. Have it set up as a late 2000s era rom-com, typical dude meets a MPDG, but the twist is that its a honeypot and its all told from her perspective, and when shes not around americans, she returns to her dour introverted self.

Some complained about Corona-chan's racism and they don't practice what they preach like the mayor of Chicago who got an haircut. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/_covid19_and_racism.html

Niggers have been memeing that they couldnt catch this since it started and now they cry racism. And no one is calling them out on it.
 
The supposedly horrible US system came up with the doc in a box years ago, complete with their own xray machines and radiologists to read them.

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At least 80% of the horror Europe has of US healthcare is the unabashed marketing of it. I look at big signs and neon messages promising me "healthcare" and I want to run a mile. There might be the most qualified doctor in the world behind that shop front but it makes me think the only procedure anyone in that place is qualified to perform is a cash transplant.

Have an empty space in your local strip mall (closest UK equivalent think highstreet)?

I dread to think what amount of red tape and loicences would be required to open an equivalent in a UK high street.
 
The US higher education system relies heavily on foreign students, mainly Chinese, paying full price, and this ain’t gonna be good for them. Prepare to see every shitty liberal arts college associated with denominations nobody believes in anymore to fold in a year or two.

For that matter, if schools have to have an online fall semester, prepare to see a lot of dropping enrollments from domestic students too. Bad time for higher ed.
 
At least 80% of the horror Europe has of US healthcare is the unabashed marketing of it. I look at big signs and neon messages promising me "healthcare" and I want to run a mile. There might be the most qualified doctor in the world behind that shop front but it makes me think the only procedure anyone in that place is qualified to perform is a cash transplant.



I dread to think what amount of red tape and loicences would be required to open an equivalent in a UK high street.
I get it, marketing is only okay when it's ubiquitous " I ❤ the NHS" propaganda from a government agency, but when a kid breaks a leg while playing sportsball it's a good thing that it takes a total of an hour for xrays, cast and icecream.

What I don't understand is the propagandized fear in Europe of something like bankruptcy. Do they execute you in Europe at the end of a bankruptcy or something?
 
CCP is not happy with coverage of wuflu, writes a Letter of Complaint to an Australian tabloid, clearly does not realise what they are walking into:

Might have already been posted (already archived, but cannot find via the Farms search).
As a followup the CCP tried to submit an article for publication to the same tabloid, and clearly did not learn from their previous experience.

Results were predictable.
 
I know about 30 surgical registrars in a non hot zone public hospital. All non urgent elective surgeries have been postponed until after WuFlu.

Anaesthetics, ENT and OMF registrars are cagey about aerosols in the OT infecting them and are demanding negative results/CT chests before proceeding with surgeries.

Plastics registrars are still busy as fuck with cancer excisions and the increase in DIY + kitchen injuries (less cat/dog bites though = good. People finally leaving animals the fuck alone).

Orthopaedics are bored shitless because there's less ortho trauma happening (people aren't having MVAs or fucking themselves up during bike rides) and very little elective things happening like ACL recons and joint replacements.

Vascular and urology are business as usual

Neuro has some cagey moments (because of coronachan and things like transphenoidals) but is also business as usual.

And this correlates to the head consultants/surgeons as well. (Anaes = cagey, ortho = bored etc)
Totally agree, that’s the same where I am. We are the ortho and fracture/trauma in our area. It can be busy sporadically going by what me colleagues say.
Yesterday I spent catching up with training, then we had some anti coagulation clinic letters to get ready to post.
 
anyone have ground report from India? I've been hearing some things.

ground report northwest USA
spike in cases today. Seattle is slowing down as this heads out into the rural neighborhoods and towns. our second city status means we are likely at peak last week and this coming week, though fuck knows what will come in about ten days, because everyone acted like an idiot about Easter.

we are keeping up. PPE in my department is somewhat limited still, but we don't need to worry about infecting the dead, so as long as we are protected it's all right.

upstairs the ICU is still full, very weird and just machines pinging and people running from room to room. the people who were on a vent last time I posted are all but one, still on them, or dead. most are holding steady.
one person was extubated and went home.

the new patients are getting split vents and oxygen, they're in makeshift ICU setups in standard rooms.

I've watched a lot of the NYC videos and can't imagine what they're dealing with. I've worked a few large crime scenes/mass shootings and catastrophes, sounds similar. you start to feel frantic, rushed and anxious until it bursts out, then you get cold. and you just do the work.

a lot of those doctors are bursting right now. then it seems they buckle down.

there's going to be a lot of people leaving medicine after this. it's been good for me personally- a placement I've wanted will be opening up once this is over. they're planning to resign once the year is out.

edit to add: our head pulmonologist is on a vent now. hoping she pulls through, she's damn good
 
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You tried.
 
Some city council members in Trenton NJ fell for the 5G coronavirus meme.
 
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