This always gets me. If someone is that triggered by the word suicide I imagine taking out a couple of vowels isn’t going to make a difference. Reminds me of when you spell out the word walk instead of saying it so you don’t get the dog excited
I think one of my favorite things about this whole disaster is that it's just all completely batshit crazy. Chloe and Nan's audience is so detached from reality that they're totally willing and practically obligated to accept shit like "what will happen to all the other OCs living in Nan's head now that she's a pedophile". It's like a no-holds-barred permit for the rationalizing and excuses to be as outlandish as possible.
The dog ate my homework, except the dog's actually a pedophile, and also his name is Augustine Raphael III and he lives in the safe space cottage in my head. Plz no bully.
I haven't been checking in much because i didn't really care for the topic, but personal opinions aside, the stuff with Nan and the CP is fucking insane.
I'm lurking in thread in between answering work emails after being on call overnight and I'm getting a vague laugh out of being accused of having a "SuperBowl high" over this whole thing. This whole affair has been truly autistic and I'm just tired. Am I running celebratory laps? No. Am I hanging out here to keep me awake? Yes. This is the spergiest thing I've ever done I'm hardly proud
Hardly proud? You should be VERY proud. You did a Kiwi Farm and ran a big mean thread that made Chloe try a sewer side. Big gold star for you commie. Thank you for your autism
Welcome to the farms! Glad you've branched out into some other threads. That's some interesting input, I think some people theorized Chloe as a narc earlier in the thread, she doesn't seem HPD or BPD to me due to how, as you said, calculated she seems to be / she doesn't document everything in her life like other obviously HPD or BPD cows do so you've got a really good point with the Trisha comparison.
Some people did indeed theorise she might be a narc, but nobody bothered to type as much as I did about it, so of course I had to chime in. Thank you for the welcome.
OK this is super interesting. In a recent video during her DID controversy she said she'd been diagnosed with "traits of a lot of things" and specifically mentioned "traits of borderline". I know she has a lot of patterns of classic BPD in her behaviour. But there is something about her that just seems different to me, (and not different as in quiet BPD, which is a introverted, dissociative type of BPD afaik still has boundary problems but doesn't tend to cause lolcows. I think it was mentioned in this thread a very long time ago?).
Trisha seems not to care where she gets the attention from (i.e. from people whom she knows on any level vs from whoever is watching) or about specifically interacting with people on a super personal level after getting that attention. She seems to want all eyes on her and that's it. Nothing substantial afterwards. And not that I'm an expert, but that lack of substance sounds really kind of odd for BPD of any type. Even with quiet BPD, don't they want their needs met? Whereas Trisha seems to get the need filled just by getting the attention in the first place. She clearly doesn't give too much of a shit about approval, after all she's a professional troll. Admittedly, a professional troll who sometimes gets butthurt about people taking her too seriously etc, but a professional troll nonetheless. In my uneducated opinion I wonder if she may have been misdiagnosed because the person diagnosing didn't realise she was attention-seeking but not approval-seeking.
tl;dr I still think I and the rest of the armchair diagnosticians on the internet are more right than a medical professional who would have seen Trish in person. I guess we can still say Chloe doesn't have HPD *or* whatever Trisha has. She is just too calculated.
Hardly proud? You should be VERY proud. You did a Kiwi Farm and ran a big mean thread that made Chloe try a sewer side. Big gold star for you commie. Thank you for your autism
OK this is super interesting. In a recent video during her DID controversy she said she'd been diagnosed with "traits of a lot of things" and specifically mentioned "traits of borderline". I know she has a lot of patterns of classic BPD in her behaviour. But there is something about her that just seems different to me, (and not different as in quiet BPD, which is a introverted, dissociative type of BPD afaik still has boundary problems but doesn't tend to cause lolcows. I think it was mentioned in this thread a very long time ago?).
I'm too lazy to scrub her old videos and find where she talked about it, but her disavowing the diagnosis is typical of people who really have mental health problems and want to be seen as normal and healthy and are avoidant of treatment (they lose themselves as it were).
Keep in mind that bpd is a disorder that has symptoms that wane with age. She's been on YouTube for like 12 years. I believe that she was diagnosed properly, doesn't want to be seen as someone with a mental illness, and quite possibly saw DID as a corky way to stay a nutcase without the heat she gets from the SJW community now.
This always gets me. If someone is that triggered by the word suicide I imagine taking out a couple of vowels isn’t going to make a difference. Reminds me of when you spell out the word walk instead of saying it so you don’t get the dog excited
They don't do that for their community, they do it to obscure the word from algorithms. Posts can be removed for TOS violations, and more importantly, on YouTube, they can be demonetized or flagged as content not suitable for minors.
I agree with your first paragraph and have only this to say about your second: you may very well be completely right. Ultimately I'm just a person with a keyboard and an inflated opinion of my nonexistent medical qualifications. I do know how to spell the word 'quirky' though.
Before I forget, I just want to give a shout-out to Anthony Padilla for not doing his research. If he or his team had made even an ounce of effort to try and find out whether a random person on the internet was telling the truth about themselves, this thread would not be what it is today. I mean, I'm guilty of not doing my research either, but I wasn't exactly broadcasting a con artist to millions of trusting people in a journalism capacity.
I also, like someone a few pages back, am very curious to see what Nan's leaked texts about Chloe will be.
Nan might be able to pull off a fake integration as an excuse IF:
1. the integrated Nan then stops living everyday life completely except when it's time to come out for therapy; AND
2. Nan-as-Jeremy takes over as fulltime host with an appropriate level of disapproval for Nan's actions; AND
3. TeamPinata just does nothing remarkable for a very long time.
For this to work, though, either Chloe or enough other prominent members of the DID youtube community will have to act as though this plotline has tied the matter up, no big deal, and kind of browbeat their fans into accepting this new status quo via an act of (sub)cultural hegemony. Which I don't think they will do. As that study proved, most of them are self aware enough to know on some level that they are faking it. In that case, they are definitely going to know on some level that Nan's integration excuse is bullshit and worry (rightly) that all their supporters will know that on some level too. They might support Chloe on her journey as she supports her fiance to get better, but they won't support Nan directly.
But this is moot because we already know Chloe doesn't want to support Nan. She left a foot in the door by not confirming anything in the video juuuuust in case she needs to backpedal. But she doesn't want to be there, she did everything to imply there was a breakup. She doesn't want to be associated with child porn either if nobody else is going to overlook it, and Nan is now a sinking ship. Chloe can't do constant collabs anymore or feed off the couple shipping when nobody wants to know about one half of the couple. If she stays, Chloe's standing in the community will change for another reason--she will be "that system helping a disgraced system with a really sensitive subject nobody wants to think about" and thus forced to be in the background, occasionally relevant rather than their great advocate.
Conclusion: Nan's fucked. If Nan's fucked, she's sure as shit gonna come out with some very juicy texts. Which means Chloe's also fucked to some extent, depending on how much she said in documentable form. And I guarantee that there will be at least some texts sent between them showing they have both accessed the Kiwi Farms and were simply planning to handle this together initially. Plus Nan will be sure to point out the timestamps that show nothing very new came out to change Chloe's mind, she just wanted to see where the wind blew.
The only way Nan won't be fucked is if Chloe sees this coming and accepts that she has to take the hit to her prestige, and the spotlight will never be hers. Maybe when she's 50 she can write a book about it, but that's a long time to wait and I don't think Chloe can. She needs her narcissistic supply.
Still, if Chloe does take my advice to save her own reputation, Nan will have seen this and they'll know that Chloe was going to leave them to save herself and is still only with them for self interest. That kind of betrayal means the relationship isn't worth it, and if showing Chloe just how betrayal feels trumps their reputation, which is messed up anyway, that means they might as well release the texts anyway.
Which means Chloe's still fucked.
New conclusion: if they're both that fucked their only real option is to try and stick together to pull off the grandest, most far-fetched PinaDID Cinematic Universe plotline in the history of the world, so amazing that everyone in the community changes their mind. Even though it is completely going to fail. But in their minds, that will be their only option.
Actual final conclusion: You just can't make this shit up and you'd go insane if you tried. Who the fuck knows what's going to happen.
And Nan, I know you're reading this. Chloe is a manipulative pile of garbage but despite your pedophilia and shitty behaviour I have slightly more sympathy and hope for you because you actually know you're making your own life worse. Please go to therapy and stay there, and get some actual help, and make what amends you can. If you were traumatised, you need to learn to cope with your trauma properly instead of reperpetrating it. If you weren't, you need to go to therapy to make sure you don't hurt anyone else or yourself again. Giving into your attraction to children has taken over your entire life and then ruined it and it will happen again unless you make a change. So there's some incentive there for you if you don't care about endangering children.
I agree with your first paragraph and have only this to say about your second: you may very well be completely right. Ultimately I'm just a person with a keyboard and an inflated opinion of my nonexistent medical qualifications. I do know how to spell the word 'quirky' though.
Before I forget, I just want to give a shout-out to Anthony Padilla for not doing his research. If he or his team had made even an ounce of effort to try and find out whether a random person on the internet was telling the truth about themselves, this thread would not be what it is today. I mean, I'm guilty of not doing my research either, but I wasn't exactly broadcasting a con artist to millions of trusting people in a journalism capacity.
I also, like someone a few pages back, am very curious to see what Nan's leaked texts about Chloe will be.
Nan might be able to pull off a fake integration as an excuse IF:
1. the integrated Nan then stops living everyday life completely except when it's time to come out for therapy; AND
2. Nan-as-Jeremy takes over as fulltime host with an appropriate level of disapproval for Nan's actions; AND
3. TeamPinata just does nothing remarkable for a very long time.
For this to work, though, either Chloe or enough other prominent members of the DID youtube community will have to act as though this plotline has tied the matter up, no big deal, and kind of browbeat their fans into accepting this new status quo via an act of (sub)cultural hegemony. Which I don't think they will do. As that study proved, most of them are self aware enough to know on some level that they are faking it. In that case, they are definitely going to know on some level that Nan's integration excuse is bullshit and worry (rightly) that all their supporters will know that on some level too. They might support Chloe on her journey as she supports her fiance to get better, but they won't support Nan directly.
But this is moot because we already know Chloe doesn't want to support Nan. She left a foot in the door by not confirming anything in the video juuuuust in case she needs to backpedal. But she doesn't want to be there, she did everything to imply there was a breakup. She doesn't want to be associated with child porn either if nobody else is going to overlook it, and Nan is now a sinking ship. Chloe can't do constant collabs anymore or feed off the couple shipping when nobody wants to know about one half of the couple. If she stays, Chloe's standing in the community will change for another reason--she will be "that system helping a disgraced system with a really sensitive subject nobody wants to think about" and thus forced to be in the background, occasionally relevant rather than their great advocate.
Conclusion: Nan's fucked. If Nan's fucked, she's sure as shit gonna come out with some very juicy texts. Which means Chloe's also fucked to some extent, depending on how much she said in documentable form. And I guarantee that there will be at least some texts sent between them showing they have both accessed the Kiwi Farms and were simply planning to handle this together initially. Plus Nan will be sure to point out the timestamps that show nothing very new came out to change Chloe's mind, she just wanted to see where the wind blew.
The only way Nan won't be fucked is if Chloe sees this coming and accepts that she has to take the hit to her prestige, and the spotlight will never be hers. Maybe when she's 50 she can write a book about it, but that's a long time to wait and I don't think Chloe can. She needs her narcissistic supply.
Still, if Chloe does take my advice to save her own reputation, Nan will have seen this and they'll know that Chloe was going to leave them to save herself and is still only with them for self interest. That kind of betrayal means the relationship isn't worth it, and if showing Chloe just how betrayal feels trumps their reputation, which is messed up anyway, that means they might as well release the texts anyway.
Which means Chloe's still fucked.
New conclusion: if they're both that fucked their only real option is to try and stick together to pull off the grandest, most far-fetched PinaDID Cinematic Universe plotline in the history of the world, so amazing that everyone in the community changes their mind. Even though it is completely going to fail. But in their minds, that will be their only option.
Actual final conclusion: You just can't make this shit up and you'd go insane if you tried. Who the fuck knows what's going to happen.
And Nan, I know you're reading this. Chloe is a manipulative pile of garbage but despite your pedophilia I have slightly more sympathy and hope for you because you actually know you're making your own life worse. Please go to therapy and stay there, and get some actual help, and make what amends you can. If you were traumatised, you need to learn to cope with your trauma properly instead of reperpetrating it. If you weren't, you need to go to therapy to make sure you don't hurt anyone else or yourself again. Giving into your attraction to children has taken over your entire life and then ruined it and it will happen again unless you make a change.
And please post those texts.
As for what Jess from Multiplicity and Me will do, I actually think she would be the only one to risk her reputation to publically offer to help Nan if Nan changes their tune and admits full responsibility. I don't know if she's part of that possible 1 per cent of DID that actually does present with MPD-like symptoms (pls help, am I making this up or is there a source for this?), or if Remy Aquarone convinced her she has MPD-style DID--but whether or not she has *any* sort of DID, I do think she genuinely believes she has it and has only ever had good intentions. Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary but til then this is my opinion.
Their DID is a bullshit excuse to get attention, sympathy and money. The only thing tragic here is the fact that Nan could have actually harmed a child.
To me, it doesn't matter why Nan did the shit she did, she did it, and it's disgusting.
Falling back on CSA and how "only 1 alter did it" is clearly just an excuse.
If you don't think you can handle living your life without severely fucking someone else up (especially a child) because of your crap life...get rid of yourself.
As for what Jess from Multiplicity and Me will do, I actually think she would be the only one to risk her reputation to publically offer to help Nan if Nan changes their tune and admits full responsibility. I don't know if she's part of that possible 1 per cent of DID that actually does present with MPD-like symptoms (pls help, am I making this up or is there a source for this?), or if Remy Aquarone convinced her she has MPD-style DID--but whether or not she has *any* sort of DID, I do think she genuinely believes she has it and has only ever had good intentions. Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.
The only time I saw them get involved before that was in Grandad Lounge's now deleted video about the Pottergate Center and Nan's child porn. She quickly backed right back out.
The only time I saw them get involved before that was in Grandad Lounge's now deleted video about the Pottergate Center and Nan's child porn. She quickly backed right back out.
Of course, I expect (and see) no apologies from the bandwagoning posters on his videos now that Grandad has been vindicated so completely and thoroughly.
Good on ya. I'm far too lazy to ever make an OP and keep it going myself, but I definitely admire the dedication(autism) required to do so. Same with archiving, transcribing and all the other valuable shit farmers do around here. Gotta love that people like you exist so people like me can leech off the blood, sweat, and aspergers.
This is actually something that I've been thinking about a lot and I'm curious how it all makes sense. From the forums, we can see that Nan loves sickness and being sick, even to the point of bug-chasing. Yet they consistently maintain that when the body is sick Jeremy comes out to handle it. Why does sickness cause Jeremy to front? Wouldn't it be a positive trigger for Nan because it's their fetish? On the flipside, wouldn't that mean that anytime Nan attempts to indulge in their fetish it triggers Jeremy to front?
If I recall correctly Sam says that the CP reflects Nan's CSA but he isn't explicit about how. If Nan's CSA is related to being sick, then maybe the lore is that Jeremy formed as a protector for when the body is sick to avoid triggering past trauma. But that doesn't line up with Nan being so obsessively into sickness because then Jeremy isn't protecting them from anything at all.
I have a feeling jeremy is based on someone Nan knew from real life, and she’s obviously over sexualized him from the start. If Jeremy was a real person/alter/whatever, wouldn’t they feel extremely uncomfortable being the one that’s sick all the time? Nan even portrayed Jeremy when he was young sneezing, if that isn’t disturbing enough.
Also I remember something about something real traumatic happening to Jeremy around being sick and homeless out in the cold, could it possibly have anything to do with the fact that Nan doesn’t/didn’t want anyone to bring up the question of Jeremy and sickness because it would be too “triggering”? Lemme know if I’m talking shit here
Pic of Nan and Chloe still in the featured photos on Chloe’s Facebook profile View attachment 1232698
Edit: a nan fan saying that it’s better that Nan drew and sold cp art rather than selling her body on entropy system’s Instagram post View attachment 1232714
It's a huge waste of time to look for flaws in the reasoning used to justify indulging in her fetish 24/7. Regardless of whether it's coming from whole-ass delusion or she's making it up, she's not exactly a Grade A storyteller, so don't shit up the thread trying to make it make sense. She gets off to sneezing, for fuck's sake.
Pic of Nan and Chloe still in the featured photos on Chloe’s Facebook profile View attachment 1232698
Edit: a nan fan saying that it’s better that Nan drew and sold cp art rather than selling her body on entropy system’s Instagram post View attachment 1232714
I have a feeling jeremy is based on someone Nan knew from real life, and she’s obviously over sexualized him from the start. If Jeremy was a real person/alter/whatever, wouldn’t they feel extremely uncomfortable being the one that’s sick all the time? Nan even portrayed Jeremy when he was young sneezing, if that isn’t disturbing enough.
Also I remember something about something real traumatic happening to Jeremy around being sick and homeless out in the cold, could it possibly have anything to do with the fact that Nan doesn’t/didn’t want anyone to bring up the question of Jeremy and sickness because it would be too “triggering”? Lemme know if I’m talking shit here
