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Orbiter🏳️🌈🐱 Nick Fuentes / Nicholas Joseph Fuentes / der America First Pürrer / "Nick the Knife" - CatboyKami's ex. Flipped fed asset after January 6th. Groypers are pardoned for January 6th, still a fag. Kept Ali Akbar, brown muslim boy-hungry pedophile, around groypers knowing what he was. Hates white women more than blacks and jews.
"My allegiance is to Donald Trump, not the constitution." The mask slips again. He's tacitly admitted to being a fascist in the past. He's admitted he doesn't support the first ammendment and would take away the rights of his opponents. He's said the 2nd ammendment is just a security blanket for boomers. Who is still eating up the horseshit he peddles? Thank Christ he'll never have any political power.
The author doesn't offer any proof, but Richard Spencer and Evan McLaren believe Reilly to be responsible for some recent leaks. Nick's about-face on Milo was always weird. It still doesn't make much sense. I thought he was gunning for a show on Gavin McInnes' Censored.TV but that hasn't panned out. I'm doubtful Milo has any donor connections these days after the Dangerous.com debacle.
According to my various sources who are close to the Groypers and America First, Dave Reilly is the man who leaked the ‘alleged’ audio recording of Richard Spencer to Milo Yiannopoulos. I was told that Reilly shopped the recording to various figures, including one of my sources. Two people whom Dave told my sources that he also attempted to sell it were Patrick Casey of AIM (American Identity Movement) and Nick Fuentes of America First with Nicholas J. Fuentes. Eventually Dave when he was unable to find a buyer, according to my sources, ended up giving the recording to Milo.
Addendum: A few Fridays ago, Nick mentioned how he ate a delicious turkey sandwich that day. Someone in chat pointed out that he had eaten meat on a Friday during Lent which Catholics aren't supposed to do. It really caught him off guard and was funny to see him contorted.
The real redpill is western women only act as badly as they do because western men let them. Once men put their foot down, most women follow. It's very revealing how Nick's take isn't this but "UGH can you even BLAME men for fucking trannies in this dating culture". Beta little bitch queer!
The author doesn't offer any proof, but Richard Spencer and Evan McLaren believe Reilly to be responsible for some recent leaks. Nick's about-face on Milo was always weird. It still doesn't make much sense. I thought he was gunning for a show on Gavin McInnes' Censored.TV but that hasn't panned out. I'm doubtful Milo has any donor connections these days after the Dangerous.com debacle.
Addendum: A few Fridays ago, Nick mentioned how he ate a delicious turkey sandwich that day. Someone in chat pointed out that he had eaten meat on a Friday during Lent which Catholics aren't supposed to do. It really caught him off guard and was funny to see him contorted.
Fraternizing with gay jews over fellow nationalists and unpersoning anyone to the right of them? Maybe groypers will get the GOP and Daddy Emperor to like them after all.
The author doesn't offer any proof, but Richard Spencer and Evan McLaren believe Reilly to be responsible for some recent leaks. Nick's about-face on Milo was always weird. It still doesn't make much sense. I thought he was gunning for a show on Gavin McInnes' Censored.TV but that hasn't panned out. I'm doubtful Milo has any donor connections these days after the Dangerous.com debacle.
Addendum: A few Fridays ago, Nick mentioned how he ate a delicious turkey sandwich that day. Someone in chat pointed out that he had eaten meat on a Friday during Lent which Catholics aren't supposed to do. It really caught him off guard and was funny to see him contorted.
Imagine pledging your allegiance to any fuckwit in modern western politics. The US constitution is more based than Donald Trump or any modern politician is. Of course that's the problem. It doesn't matter how our rights are outlined if the people enforcing them don't give a fuck and just engage in double talk and add fine print, along with brainwashing a large portion of the population to not know what their rights are to begin with.
"My allegiance is to Donald Trump, not the constitution." The mask slips again. He's tacitly admitted to being a fascist in the past. He's admitted he doesn't support the first ammendment and would take away the rights of his opponents. He's said the 2nd ammendment is just a security blanket for boomers. Who is still eating up the horseshit he peddles? Thank Christ he'll never have any political power.
Basically, Nick's a AuthCenter/AuthRight trying to LARP as a LibRight.
How can one be an American Nationalist and disregard the constitution?
Like I said before; even historical American Nationalist movements like the Silver Legion by William Dudley Pelly and even the KKK itself were more based in American culture and history than Nick's wannabe Catholic Falangism LARP.
Sure, LARPing as a Catholic Falangist/whatever obscure branch of Fascism from some HOI4 alternate history mod you played seems cool and all, but trying to label yourself as an American Nationalist would not work at all.
He has to realize that in the extremely unlikely situation where he catches Trumps attention, Trump would disavow Nick and the Groypers in less than a second.
Catboy decides to team up with other internet intellectuals to debate destiny. The race question pops up but luckily, Catboy gives Nick a pass since he's "at least 95% or some shit" white
Catboy decides to team up with other internet intellectuals to debate destiny. The race question pops up but luckily, Catboy gives Nick a pass since he's "at least 95% or some shit" white
Basically, Nick's a AuthCenter/AuthRight trying to LARP as a LibRight.
How can one be an American Nationalist and disregard the constitution?
Like I said before; even historical American Nationalist movements like the Silver Legion by William Dudley Pelly and even the KKK itself were more based in American culture and history than Nick's wannabe Catholic Falangism LARP.
Sure, LARPing as a Catholic Falangist/whatever obscure branch of Fascism from some HOI4 alternate history mod you played seems cool and all, but trying to label yourself as an American Nationalist would not work at all.
Nick and his friends just want validation from the GOP. They've pledged unconditional support to the GOP. The GOP could pass an amnesty bill for all illegal aliens tomorrow and they'd still vote for the GOP because the Democratic Party wants open borders or something. All amnesty has happened under Republican presidents.
“@FatalityMail @Dreyrugr1 @BoomerChang “AmNats seeking validation from CPAC” is another shit teir bad faith argument. We had our own thing, headlined by a top name in RW circles with connections. People notice us.”
Catboy decides to team up with other internet intellectuals to debate destiny. The race question pops up but luckily, Catboy gives Nick a pass since he's "at least 95% or some shit" white
The catboy recited things he read on 4chan that he half-remembered and never actually looked into so he didn't have a deep understanding of any of it. Pretty much what I expected. He said Africa didn't invent the wheel, which is an objectively false claim. The correct claim is that Sub-Saharan Africa didn't invent the wheel. Later in the debate, Destiny mentions Egypt in regards to something else and it's clear that went over catboy's head.
The only interesting altercation is when one the of the guys (moderator?) confronted Destiny on which translation of Mein Kampf he was using to quote Adolf Hitler and when he pushed him on the Civil War, which is a topic Destiny clearly knows nothing about.
Destiny had no clue about Liberia. He quickly "fact checked" the claim that Lincoln wanted to deport slaves to Africa and came across a Politifact article that rated the claim as false. He didn't read the update to the Politifact article, where several historians challenged the idea that Lincoln dropped the idea after the Emancipation Proclamation (EP).
Destiny also played semantics on whether Lincoln's proposed idea would have forcibly transferred slaves back to Africa. The idea that Lincoln would have a problem forcibly transferring slaves back to Africa that were forcibly taken to America is silly.
It's inconsequential to the point the guy was making, though. He brought it up to show that Lincoln wasn't an altruistic man that cared about black people. That's also pretty evident in the Lincoln-Douglas debates.
Abraham Lincoln:
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.
MR. LINCOLN'S SPEECH. Mr. Lincoln took the stand at a quarter before three, and was greeted with vociferous and protracted applause; after which, he said:LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: It will be very difficult for an audience so large as this to hear distinctly what a speaker says, and consequently it...
PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.
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"Far from turning away from the policy after Jan. 1, 1863, Lincoln actually shifted strategies away from the colonization arrangements with private contractors mentioned in his public appeals and toward a new approach of conducting colonization by way of a series of agreements with foreign governments that were willing to accept black colonists on a voluntary basis," Magness wrote to PolitiFact.
In true Politifact fashion, they kept the false rating because the meme they were fact checking makes other claims that are unproven, but the entire basis of the original article was that Lincoln stopped pursing the idea after the EP and that's the argument that Destiny copped from them.
Destiny not knowing that the EP only applied to 10 states was a huge blunder. That was in the context of the guy bringing up that the EP only applied to select states and that Delaware still had slaves after the EP.
Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.
Both groups are mad at Greer/AmNats for various reasons. Recently, I'd say Frog Twitter is primarily mad because after the AmNats appropriated and killed the Groyper meme, it looks like they now have their eyes set on killing the Apu meme. Though they also overlap into having the below grievances.
The hatred between TRS and AmNats has been building up for a couple months. What really kicked it off was when Greer and other AmNats started pushing the narrative that Harvey Weinstein did nothing wrong, which was documented a few pages ago. Note that James Allsup works for TRS. I've seen people on Twitter say that Allsup has been taking a lot of shots at Fuentes/AmNats lately on the podcast he co-hosts. I don't listen to it so IDK what he's been saying.
More recently, TRS is sick of AmNats using the free racism pass they got from Trump and the GOP to bitch about the Chinese and cover-up Trump's lackluster response to Corona Virus. It's funny because late last year, before Corona Virus, Nick was being called a Chinese shill by Frog Twitter, specifically people like Bronze Age Pervert (BAP), Kantbot, Loki, etc. He used to really like BAP and shill his book titled Bronze Age Mindset.
Evidently his dad either works for or owns a company that has deep Chinese ties. Prior to the pandemic, Nick was mostly friendly to China. His feelings about China are directly correlated to Trump's feelings about China.
His dad's work is something that'd be interesting to explore. I saw tweets that documented it, with his name, the company name, etc. I can't find them now. They were probably deleted.
“The Fuentes clan has extensive business ties to China, Anglin is consistently pro-China (and lived there), all of Fuentes' prominent defenders are Asian...all the e-celebs who support the "groyper army" previously supported Yang. I'm detecting a pattern here. https://t.co/U2WAsc0Lwe”
“Ricky remade group chats to specifically exclude people I didn't like (Casey et al probably wouldn't know about that). If he found out about the Fuentes family Chinese sweat-shops, he would have lost it. https://t.co/9N2p6zkMc3”
Then yesterday, Greer shot his mouth off about Serbian Nationalists preferring to align themselves with China rather than America because ya know America bombed the fuck out of them and a Serb Nationalist posted a meme that hurt his feelings. That really ignited things.
Greer also put out a tweet with a picture of Jane Fonda in North Vietnam that said "Reminder: this is not a wise political strategy." People were quick to point out that those words are rich coming from Greer, who is a Harvey Weinstein defender.
It's hilarious that Greer and his fellow AmNats have united people they call WigNats. People that were Twitter fighting with each other just a few weeks ago have now coalesced over dunking on Greer lmao.
Also, the Daily Groyper's Twitter account (@DailyGroyper) was recently permanently suspended. The much better Twitter account, @DailyGrifter, is still kickin'.
Nick and his friends just want validation from the GOP. They've pledged unconditional support to the GOP. The GOP could pass an amnesty bill for all illegal aliens tomorrow and they'd still vote for the GOP because the Democratic Party wants open borders or something. All amnesty has happened under Republican presidents.
“@FatalityMail @Dreyrugr1 @BoomerChang “AmNats seeking validation from CPAC” is another shit teir bad faith argument. We had our own thing, headlined by a top name in RW circles with connections. People notice us.”
The catboy recited things he read on 4chan that he half-remembered and never actually looked into so he didn't have a deep understanding of any of it. Pretty much what I expected. He said Africa didn't invent the wheel, which is an objectively false claim. The correct claim is that Sub-Saharan Africa didn't invent the wheel. Later in the debate, Destiny mentions Egypt in regards to something else and it's clear that went over catboy's head.
The only thing interesting altercation is when the of the guys (moderator?) confronted Destiny on which translation of Mein Kampf he was using to quote Adolf Hitler and when he pushed him on the Civil War, which is a topic Destiny clearly knows nothing about.
Destiny had no clue about Liberia. He quickly "fact checked" the claim that Lincoln wanted to deport slaves to Africa and came across a Politifact article that rated the claim as false. He didn't read the update to the Politifact article, where several historians challenged the idea that Lincoln dropped the idea after the Emancipation Proclamation (EP).
PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.
www.politifact.com
In true Politifact fashion, they kept the false rating because the meme they were fact checking makes other claims that are unproven, but the entire basis of the original article was that Lincoln stopped pursing the idea after the EP and that's the argument that Destiny copped from them.
Destiny not knowing that the EP only applied to 10 states was a huge blunder. That was in the context of the guy bringing up that the EP only applied to select states and that Delaware still had slaves after the EP.
Both groups are mad at Greer/AmNats for various reasons. Recently, I'd say Frog Twitter is primarily mad because after the AmNats appropriated and killed the Groyper meme, it looks like they now have their eyes set on killing the Apu meme. Though they also overlap into having the below grievances.
The hatred between TRS and AmNats has been building up for a couple months. What really kicked it off was when Greer and other AmNats started pushing the narrative that Harvey Weinstein did nothing wrong, which was documented a few pages ago. Note that James Allsup works for TRS. I've seen people on Twitter say that Allsup has been taking a lot of shots at Fuentes/AmNats lately on the podcast he co-hosts. I don't listen to it so IDK what he's been saying.
More recently, TRS is sick of AmNats using the free racism pass they got from Trump and the GOP to bitch about the Chinese and cover-up Trump's lackluster response to Corona Virus. It's funny because late last year, before Corona Virus, Nick was being called a Chinese shill by Frog Twitter, specifically people like Bronze Age Pervert (BAP), Kantbot, Loki, etc. He used to really like BAP and shill his book titled Bronze Age Mindset.
Evidently his dad either works for or owns a company that has deep Chinese ties. Prior to the pandemic, Nick was mostly friendly to China. His feelings about China are directly correlated to Trump's feelings about China.
His dad's work is something that'd be interesting to explore. I saw tweets that documented it, with his name, the company name, etc. I can't find them now. They were probably deleted.
“The Fuentes clan has extensive business ties to China, Anglin is consistently pro-China (and lived there), all of Fuentes' prominent defenders are Asian...all the e-celebs who support the "groyper army" previously supported Yang. I'm detecting a pattern here. https://t.co/U2WAsc0Lwe”
“Ricky remade group chats to specifically exclude people I didn't like (Casey et al probably wouldn't know about that). If he found out about the Fuentes family Chinese sweat-shops, he would have lost it. https://t.co/9N2p6zkMc3”
Then yesterday, Greer shot his mouth off about Serbian Nationalists preferring to align themselves with China rather than America because ya know America bombed the fuck out of them and a Serb Nationalist posted a meme that hurt his feelings. That really ignited things.
Greer also put out a tweet with a picture of Jane Fonda in North Vietnam that said "Reminder: this is not a wise political strategy." People were quick to point out that those words are rich coming from Greer, who is a Harvey Weinstein defender.
It's hilarious that Greer and his fellow AmNats have united people they call WigNats. People that were Twitter fighting with each other just a few weeks ago have now coalesced over dunking on Greer lmao.
Also, the Daily Groyper's Twitter account (@DailyGroyper) was recently permanently suspended. The much better Twitter account, @DailyGrifter, is still kickin'.
As someone else said, people with strong political views are always in-fighting. It happened with Stalin/Trotsky, Hitler/Strasser Brothers, etc. I strive to be thorough and objective, so I'm gonna give a comprehensive answer.
AmNats would give the simple answer of "optics" but if you look at the situation objectively there's much more to it.
Ironically, most of it started after the Charlottesville "Unite The Right" rally that turned into a disaster, but that's not the sole cause. Nick and many TRS guys attended. From what I gather, they both have the same views about the aftermath and agree it was a bad idea.
Yes, TRS made some poor decisions regarding "optics." For example, they had aligned themselves in the Matt Heimbach/Traditional Workers Party (TWP) guys for a little while because they wanted unity among white nationalists.
They ended up ditching that idea and cut things off with Heimbach. I'm not sure exactly when it happened. I think a little bit before Heimbach's "cuckbox" incident. If you don't know about that, just search online. It's hilarious. Heimbach was never central to TRS, though. I think he had a couple of guest appearances and a podcast that had like two episodes before they disassociated from him.
Mike Enoch of TRS went to a rally with Heimbach post-Charlottesville in Shelbyville, TN. For the most part, it wasn't notable but it was definitely cringe. Nick and many others rightfully took the piss out of them for it. It had groups like TWP, Nationalist Socialist Movement (NSM), etc. There were a small few fights between white nationalists and ANIFA/ANTIFA adjacent people. The police handled everything well so it didn't turn into a disaster like Charlottesville.
All people in fringe politics have transgressive elements, but Heimbach gets off on being transgressive. He liked being portrayed as an evil caricature. He played that role for like 10 years. He felt like a character out of a Hollywood movie, LARPy costumes and all.
His behavior was a red flag. I won't say that all people that act like he did are insincere about their beliefs because there's a lot of terrible people. I will say that people should like him should never be associated with, though, at any capacity. TRS learned that lesson, but they really shouldn't have needed to because it was so obvious, but they were operating on the whole muh unity principle.
People like Heimbach typically end up doing one of two things: they become a federal informant and then promote violent acts that get a bunch of people arrested or they have a "change of heart" and reverse their political views. Just recently, Heimbach had a "change of heart" and joined some "anti-hate" group and put up a video on YouTube where he says he's no longer a white nationalist. He was briefly in the NSM before they kicked him out for being a communist. He details that in the video and says "I guess if the red star fits."
It's also worth mentioning that in March 2019, the leader of the NSM, Jeff Schoep, also had a "change of heart" and like gave the organization to a black man who dismantled it or something lmao. Heimbach joined the same "anti-hate" group that Schoep joined.
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But like I said, Heimbach was never a big part of TRS, but it did start to show a dividing line in viewpoints between WigNats/AmNats. (Each side labeled the other like Pro-Abortion/Anti-Choice.)
It's also worth mentioning that TRS was aligned with Richard Spencer for a while and Spencer and Fuentes have beef for various reasons I'm not gonna bother to outline. TRS and Spencer don't really associate with each other any more. I don't know why, for sure. He ran National Policy Institute into the ground after he was put in charge of it. It was once a relatively well-funded 501(c)(3). It was founded by a millionaire and really the only viable organization in politics that pushed their point of view. He also fucked his best friend's girlfriend.
TRS runs a tight lipped ship for the most part, they don't like in-fighting to be public. Which is why them all dunking on Scott Greer is hilarious because they finally said "fuck it."
Nick thought that if he wore a suit, didn't associate with undesirables (and went out of his way to condemn said undesirables), used the right words to describe his ideology (not White Nationalist, not Alt-Right, etc) that he could bamboozle people, the press, and organizations like the ADL, SPLC, etc. that he wouldn't be branded WN/Alt-Right/Nazi, etc.
TRS thought that the the groups were going to call them a Nazi anyway, who cares?
The TRS strategy was nonsensical. If someone calls you a faggot, you don't just start sucking cock. They've since backed off on it. They've changed the names of podcasts, distances themselves from people like Chris Cantwell, etc. They've toned down some of the edginess and go out of there way to no say things that can be construed as violence. They're aggressively anti-fedposting and have kicked people off the network for not complying. The Daily Shoah became TDS. Fash The Nation became FTN.
Hate House became Love Street but the guy who hosted it was such a drunk, autistic, shockjock, fedposter that he exploded on drunken, late night YouTube stream about how he hated the direction TRS was going that they kicked him off the network and he left the internet. He was also mad that TRS made him remove Azzmador as a co-host, who is affiliated with the Daily Stormer and does their podcast.
Nick's "optics" strategy on the other hand was complete bullshit and this thread is littered with proof of that. Any time he's called out in the media for comments he's made on things like the holocaust, he plays the irony bro card. He thought that would be able to save him from media scrutiny and he was wrong. Pretending to be a devout Catholic isn't going to shroud you from scrutiny when you talk about Jewish influence and power. It's that simple.
Nick isn't as clever as he thinks he is.
I can't remember when, but Nick adopted the policy of not talking to the press far after TRS did. Nick thought he could be "optical" and give interviews to people that hated him and his ideas and be given a fair shake. He'd get mad at when journalists he hung out with would publish articles calling him a white nationalist, Alt-Right, Nazi, etc. Most recently, that would be the video interview he gave to MTV where they misled him about what the mini doc they were doing would be about. He said that it was recorded a year or two ago, but he should have known they were going to do that. After all, he claims to be much smarter than everyone else. Yet, he did a DLive stream of his reaction to it where he was incredulous that they didn't treat him fairly.
Nick spoke at AmRen 2018, which is American Renaissance's conference. American Renaissance is a white nationalist organization. He can play semantics all he wants. He'll say something like "I'm not a white nationalist, I'm not advocating for an entirely white country, I just think America should retain a super majority of the founding stock." and thinks that's going to get him off the hook. It doesn't.
Additional areas of conflict:
Religion. Many of the TRS guys are atheists that are sympathetic to Christians. TRS has a Christian podcast called the Godcast. The co-founders try to stay out of religious flame wars. When it comes to something like Islam, their views are more nuanced than Nick's. If they talk about Islam, it's through a racial lens, not a religious doctrinal lens. Until recently, Nick would shit on anyone that's not Catholic, including Protestants. His attitude changed during the Groyper Wars probably because claiming to be an AmNat while shitting on the sect of Christianity responsible for America existing is untenable.
Women. AmNats call WigNats feminists because they don't hate women. AmNats literately defend Harvey Weinstein as having done nothing wrong, despite court records. They defend a Jewish movie mogul that explicitly targeted white women and hired ex-Mossad agents to suppress allegations.
Trump/GOP. Listen to TDS and you're gonna hear mostly criticism of Trump/GOP. Listen to Chapo Trap House and you're gonna hear mostly criticism of Liberals/DNC. Listen to America First and you're gonna hear mostly Nick sucking Trump's dick.
Economics. Like Nick, TRS came from a libertarian background. From what I've read, they started off as a libertarian Facebook group and they gradually became white nationalists. They've basically adopted what Nick would consider "socialist" economic policies: Medicare4All, strong social welfare programs, etc.
Daily Stormer. Andrew Anglin and TRS have beef. Anglin is a fan of Fuentes' and Fuentes' is a fan of Anglin. He won't explicitly say it, but he gives dog whistles. He'll say something like "I read XYZ in an article by Andrew Klavan in... What's that website's name? TheDailyWeather.name?" Klavan is a writer/podcaster for Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire.
Evidently DLive is raising the cut out of donations they take to give to Lino Network miners. They've disabled Lemon donations for tonight to do maintenance. Nick is gonna miss out on those sweet, sweet TrumpBux donations he was anticipating tonight. He's mad DLive didn't notify him. Lmao.
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Religion. Many of the TRS guys are atheists that are sympathetic to Christians. TRS has a Christian podcast called the Godcast. The co-founders try to stay out of religious flame wars. When it comes to something like Islam, their views are more nuanced than Nick's. If they talk about Islam, it's through a racial lens, not a religious doctrinal lens. Until recently, Nick would shit on anyone that's not Catholic, including Protestants. His attitude changed during the Groyper Wars probably because claiming to be an AmNat while shitting on the sect of Christianity responsible for America existing is untenable.
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Even the fucking IRA dosent entirly shun protestants. You know the Irish chatolic freedomfighters/terrorists. To do so in the western world is fucking retarded as most of us are protestants. As a WN you should work to reform them instead of condemning them, what else are you gonna do convert the whole white world to catholism?.
Catboy decides to team up with other internet intellectuals to debate destiny. The race question pops up but luckily, Catboy gives Nick a pass since he's "at least 95% or some shit" white
Buuut but catboi is based he is converting people trough subterfuge and post irony trolling!
Catboi trough the entire debate acted like a 12 year old saying edgy shit his momie wouldn't allow him to say and then giggling. Trolling trough wasting time i guess?
Maxmoefoesinbreedcousin said:
I want to deport the blacks but first i wanna get rid of the jews
Genes come in packages. Ya got gene clusters, and different racial groups have different clusters, and when people of different races try to mix the clusters don't mix right
Then after an hour of mindless drivel from the skinhead brigade just when you think it can´t get any worse, guntstream takes a caller the 89 iq autist Flamenco.
Flamenco comes on projects his own racism at destiny joke. Destiny then needs to explain the joke 4 separate times before Flamenco understands.
Religion. Many of the TRS guys are atheists that are sympathetic to Christians. TRS has a Christian podcast called the Godcast. The co-founders try to stay out of religious flame wars. When it comes to something like Islam, their views are more nuanced than Nick's. If they talk about Islam, it's through a racial lens, not a religious doctrinal lens. Until recently, Nick would shit on anyone that's not Catholic, including Protestants. His attitude changed during the Groyper Wars probably because claiming to be an AmNat while shitting on the sect of Christianity responsible for America existing is untenable.
Women. AmNats call WigNats feminists because they don't hate women. AmNats literately defend Harvey Weinstein as having done nothing wrong, despite court records. They defend a Trump's Chosen movie mogul that explicitly targeted white women and hired ex-Mossad agents to suppress allegations.
Trump/GOP. Listen to TDS and you're gonna hear mostly criticism of Trump/GOP. Listen to Chapo Trap House and you're gonna hear mostly criticism of Liberals/DNC. Listen to America First and you're gonna hear mostly Nick sucking Trump's dick.
Economics. Like Nick, TRS came from a libertarian background. From what I've read, they started off as a libertarian Facebook group and they gradually became white nationalists. They've basically adopted what Nick would consider "socialist" economic policies: Medicare4All, strong social welfare programs, etc.
Daily Stormer. Andrew Anglin and TRS have beef. Anglin is a fan of Fuentes' and Fuentes' is a fan of Anglin. He won't explicitly say it, but he gives dog whistles. He'll say something like "I read XYZ in an article by Andrew Klavan in... What's that website's name? TheDailyWeather.name?" Klavan is a writer/podcaster for Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire.
Trump/GOP, addendum. This goes further than defending/criticizing the Republicans. AmNats straight up believe that they can change the GOP, turn it at their own will, and if they shit on Charlie Kirk a lot, then Trump will notice and support them. WigNats tried this before, got rekt, saw what happened after Richard Spencer's movement crashed and burned, and accepted that they're not gonna get what they want until the system collapses.
Foreign Policy. AmNats complain incessantly about WigNats defending Iran or Russia and Nick says he doesn't want to continue the slavish Foreign Policy in regime change. But says a bunch of really sketchy shit behind the scenes, like doing neocon rhetoric during the shitshow with Iran (which he corrected on stream the next day because of the backlash). He supported Trump launching missiles into Syria as "4D Chess" against Xi Jinping and North Korea (I had these two timestamped but YouTube wiped the videos on his channel). He also wanted us to invade Venezuela last year, but corrected that days later too when the situation changed (also timestamped, but again, YouTube wiped the channel).
China. An extension to above, TRS hates China, but they don't go down the route where AmNats are just butthurt to a ridiculous extent about them that is basically on the line of starting a war with them. It goes so far that AmNats like Scott Greer also mock and chide Serbians (see above) for being friendly to China after Scott's own country bombed and partitioned them.
Big Tent Movement. WigNats don't really give a shit about building a "Big tent movement" while AmNats are desperately trying to get as many moderate Conservatives into the movement and do their best in the "optics". Thing about it is that Nick and his buddies hate the WigNats (ironically their best way of garnering support since nobody but the Alt-Right would support Nick) and do their damnedest to purge, block, and mock them from their movement. This is the biggest sticking point of this whole clash because Nick is trying to shun all those WigNats for optics in crafting a movement appealing to normal Conservatives, yet chills with a bankrupt homosexual that doxxes people (Milo), an unapologetic Zionist loser that is laughed by everyone on twitter (Wohl), literal Lolcows (Baked), and a dude that shoves dildos up his mouth.
So yeah, the reason why the MuttNats and WigNats are going at it is because of recent amount of absolute retardation the AmNats made with in their latest positions above.
Trump/GOP, addendum. This goes further than defending/criticizing the Republicans. AmNats straight up believe that they can change the GOP, turn it at their own will, and if they shit on Charlie Kirk a lot, then Trump will notice and support them. WigNats tried this before, got rekt, saw what happened after Richard Spencer's movement crashed and burned, and accepted that they're not gonna get what they want until the system collapses.
Foreign Policy. AmNats complain incessantly about WigNats defending Iran or Russia and Nick says he doesn't want to continue the slavish Foreign Policy in regime change. But says a bunch of really sketchy shit behind the scenes, like doing neocon rhetoric during the shitshow with Iran (which he corrected on stream the next day because of the backlash). He supported Trump launching missiles into Syria as "4D Chess" against Xi Jinping and North Korea (I had these two timestamped but YouTube wiped the videos on his channel). He also wanted us to invade Venezuela last year, but corrected that days later too when the situation changed (also timestamped, but again, YouTube wiped the channel).
China. An extension to above, TRS hates China, but they don't go down the route where AmNats are just butthurt to a ridiculous extent about them that is basically on the line of starting a war with them. It goes so far that AmNats like Scott Greer also mock and chide Serbians (see above) for being friendly to China after Scott's own country bombed and partitioned them.
Big Tent Movement. WigNats don't really give a shit about building a "Big tent movement" while AmNats are desperately trying to get as many moderate Conservatives into the movement and do their best in the "optics". Thing about it is that Nick and his buddies hate the WigNats (ironically their best way of garnering support since nobody but the Alt-Right would support Nick) and do their damnedest to purge, block, and mock them from their movement. This is the biggest sticking point of this whole clash because Nick is trying to shun all those WigNats for optics in crafting a movement appealing to normal Conservatives, yet chills with a bankrupt homosexual that doxxes people (Milo), an unapologetic Zionist loser that is laughed by everyone on twitter (Wohl), literal Lolcows (Baked), and a dude that shoves dildos up his mouth.
So yeah, the reason why the MuttNats and WigNats are going at it is because of recent amount of absolute exceptionalism the AmNats made with in their latest positions above.
Good point on Trump/GOP. Nick thinks he can trick the GOP into being fascists.
I've seen a really good comparison to the the uptick in anti-China/anti-Chinese rhetoric that AmNats have been spouting lately. During 9/11, the establishment/GOP gave the go ahead for being extremely vocally anti-Muslim. They used that to gin up popularity for invading Afghanistan/Iraq. Then they pulled the rug out of underneath the people that chomped on the anti-Muslim bait and toned down what sort of anti-Muslim rhetoric was acceptable. The same is happening with the Chinese. They're having a great time being anti-Chinese because they see the rhetoric coming from Trump and other GOP people. They feel they're in the mainstream, but some of the GOP has already started backtracking on the rhetoric by saying it's not the Chinese people but the Chinese government. The GOP is using anti-Chinese sentiment to distract from Trump's failure at handling the virus. The critique they're making isn't substantive. They also want to direct Republican voters from asking questions like: why do we allow the Chinese to overtake American universities, why did corporations out source US manufacturing to China, etc.
Regarding the "Big Tent Movement," I agree mostly. But I don't think it's a genuine sentiment coming from Nick. They have a token Jew (used to be @AmericaFirstJew on Twitter, recently got suspended) and a token black (JD, a black guy from West Virginia that's religious and doesn't like Jews) that Nick and his inner circle have brought into the fold. The AmNat has used them as shields against accusation of antisemitism and racism. AmericaFirstJew asked a question during the GroyperWars while wearing a yarmulke. For a while, Nick and his friends were trying to get him to convert to Catholicism. Listening to that conversation just made me feel bad for the guy tbh.
Nick has definitely changed his public views since the Groyper Wars. It's funny because that's an accusation that WigNats were levying against AmNats for a while: that they'd gradually drop talking about Jews. Charlie Kirk hammering them with "Well, you say you support Trump, but you don't support X, Y, Z positions he has and I do so I'm the true Trump supporter." was a good strategy to use against them.
People have floated the idea that AmNats are being funded by a mysterious rich donor (like Peter Thiel), and I think that's highly likely. From my research, Scott Greer hasn't had a job since getting fired from the Daily Caller. I haven't seen any writing from him. He spends all day on Twitter. He recently started a podcast that has unimpressive engagement. I guess it's possible that he's writing under a pseudonym or is a trust fund kid.
Peter Thiel has been throwing a lot of financial support at the NRx crowd. It wouldn't be out of the question that he's doing the same for AmNats, but there's no proof of anything yet.
People have floated the idea that AmNats are being funded by a mysterious rich donor (like Peter Thiel), and I think that's highly likely. From my research, Scott Greer hasn't had a job since getting fired from the Daily Caller. I haven't seen any writing from him. He spends all day on Twitter. He recently started a podcast that has unimpressive engagement. I guess it's possible that he's writing under a pseudonym or is a trust fund kid.
Peter Thiel has been throwing a lot of financial support at the NRx crowd. It wouldn't be out of the question that he's doing the same for AmNats, but there's no proof of anything yet.
Ironically, people used to theorize Thiel was funding TRS in 2017-18, because they used to not be so explicitly homophobic and tolerate occasional fags like Greg Johnson, Ghoul and Dante in the movement (they've since become much more negative about that shit).
If Thiel is as woke as people say, he's the "No niggers in my gay bathhouse" Grindr Greg Johnson kind of FagNat. A racist libertarian basically. He's a freaky transhumanist atheist who'd want vat-grown aryan boy slaves in the ethnostate instead of some dead kike on a stick's (((homophobia))). Up until recently, you'd think him and a supposed arch-homophobe like Nick would want nothing to do with each other.
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