Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Creep3r]

So one of my favorite youtube reviewers finally made a video about The Mandalorian.

(If you aren't familiar with SmackTalk, I highly suggest you check out his stuff. He's not as good E;R, as detailed as MauLer or as well read as HackFraud, but he's enjoyable, good at editing and has a little of everything, and made a pretty damn good review of the new Terminator shitfest)
One thing I appreciate is that the first thing he points are the lame and horribly named "Tracking fobs" from the Mandalorian which take away the thrill of the hunt and tracking (and with something like tracking fobs there might as well be no need for bounty hunters). The video is all around good but he does get a few things wrong here and there, like thinking Blurggs and a few traditional SW aliens are Disney creations. Others are more spot on though, like the jab at the gross blue guy at the start for being a ripoff of that one fat TNG alien.

And speaking of TNG, looks like Picard's writers thought copying Disney Wars was a good idea...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EArdkwUyWa0

Picard might actually be worse than what you all have been saying.

 

[Gallofag]

11. Launch a trilogy of films for KOTOR. Require everyone involved in the project, all the way down to the fucking janitors, to play and beat the game.

Be careful, they might fuck it up on purpose out of spite if you force them.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

11. Launch a trilogy of films for KOTOR. Require everyone involved in the project, all the way down to the fucking janitors, to play and beat the game.

There's just one issue with that: Revan. Giving Revan a face and specific gender was not a choice that I'm particuarly fond of. I don't hate it per sey but it kind of invalidates the character customization of KOTOR 1. I think the Old Republic comics handled the character best where he was always wearing a cloak that obscured his face and no pronouns were used meaning anyone could be under the mask. From what Ive heard about the Mass Effect EU they do something similar with Shepard.

 

[Übertroon]

This part peaks my curiosity considering Johnson actually took inspiration from old war movies for scenes like that stupid bombing run. In what other ways was this movie ignorant of how militaries work?

You can copy military visuals, but that doesn't mean you know how militaries work. Disney trilogy has the issue of conjuring up infinite troops and resources when required, and removing it just as quickly, even if it doesn't make sense.

Youjo Senki is a good fantasy series which at least gives some attention to making the military aspect work. For example it doesn't matter how much stronger the Empire is compared to the Scandinavians if they're already fighting on two fronts, and even then with more troops the small front and winter makes it impossible for them to commit all their troops. So instead they make a amphibious landing in Oslo to cut off enemy logistics and give themselves railway access and splitting the enemies forces

 

[Creep3r]

There's just one issue with that: Revan. Giving Revan a face and specific gender was not a choice that I'm particuarly fond of. I don't hate it per sey but it kind of invalidates the character customization of KOTOR 1. I think the Old Republic comics handled the character best where he was always wearing a cloak that obscured his face and no pronouns were used meaning anyone could be under the mask. From what Ive heard about the Mass Effect EU they do something similar with Shepard.

I think the bigger problem goes beyond physical. Revan's character is one with hundreds of choices that impact your character and the story. So many paths to take with so many personal choices is the reason why people have more of an attachment to Revan. He is essentially the player's ideal character since he can become either the hero or villain you choose for him to be, a similar element that was explored and made popular by the more choice limited Kyle Katarn who could either fall to the dark or rise to the light, setting up a standard for new force-sensitive protagonists to always have the freedom to choose their moral compass (until Disney axed that trend with Fallen Order...). Revan and the Exile were the peak achievement of this. The characters both have pre-fixed elements that permanently define who they are but the choices you make for them are what end up molding them and their endgame personalities in the end. To try and adapt Revan's story onto film is something that I don't think could work at all, because everyone has their own idealized version of Revan due to the character being so flexible, so trying to take that and adapt it to film would result in divisiveness, much like when SWTOR did when they brought back Revan for a glorified cameo and when they turned the Exile into Meetra Surik despite that her canon party and history only works if you chose her as male. The best thing to do with KOTOR is make KOTOR3 or make an HD remastered version of the original games with vastly improved graphics and restored cut content. But I'm speaking from a wider perspective for better appeal, as personally, I wouldn't mind a Revan movie as long as he's a snarky but brave hero on a path to redemption and despite the hate I actually liked Revan's depiction in SWTOR, but that's just me and it might not satisfy everyone, as some like to view Revan as a serious saint, ginormous cunt or Kyle Katarn clone. It varies. But we all know none of that won't happen since if Disney makes a Revan movie its going to be about him being a 40-something non-binary greasy she-thing with a purple afro making more quips than Dr. Aphra while HK-47 is revealed to be just as obnoxious and queer as Mr. Bones. Either that or Revan gets upstaged by a new OC character loosely based on one of his female companions much like with Qira or L337 in Solo.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Also the creepy mime tranny doll cyborg and the tumblr droid weird me out something fierce. She has a fucking holo projector in her skull. Why would you have a communications device installed on a part of your body you can't even see?

HoloMime looks like a very cheap female ripoff of Lobot. Given how badly Lando's (or Landonius or whatever his Disneyized name is now) character was treated by Disney, this sadly isn't surprising.

Add Soggy Boggy Toilet Man and Captain Coffeepot to the mix and we get a full cadre of completely useless and freakish looking characters. For this the old EU was cast away?

 

[Iceland Heavy]

I think the bigger problem goes beyond physical. Revan's character is one with hundreds of choices that impact your character and the story. So many paths to take with so many personal choices is the reason why people have more of an attachment to Revan. He is essentially the player's ideal character since he can become either the hero or villain you choose for him to be, a similar element that was explored and made popular by the more choice limited Kyle Katarn who could either fall to the dark or rise to the light, setting up a standard for new force-sensitive protagonists to always have the freedom to choose their moral compass (until Disney axed that trend with Fallen Order...). Revan and the Exile were the peak achievement of this. The characters both have pre-fixed elements that permanently define who they are but the choices you make for them are what end up molding them and their endgame personalities in the end. To try and adapt Revan's story onto film is something that I don't think could work at all, because everyone has their own idealized version of Revan due to the character being so flexible, so trying to take that and adapt it to film would result in divisiveness, much like when SWTOR did when they brought back Revan for a glorified cameo and when they turned the Exile into Meetra Surik despite that her canon party and history only works if you chose her as male. The best thing to do with KOTOR is make KOTOR3 or make an HD remastered version of the original games with vastly improved graphics and restored cut content. But I'm speaking from a wider perspective for better appeal, as personally, I wouldn't mind a Revan movie as long as he's a snarky but brave hero on a path to redemption and despite the hate I actually liked Revan's depiction in SWTOR, but that's just me and it might not satisfy everyone, as some like to view Revan as a serious saint, ginormous cunt or Kyle Katarn clone. It varies. But we all know none of that won't happen since if Disney makes a Revan movie its going to be about him being a 40-something non-binary greasy she-thing with a purple afro making more quips than Dr. Aphra while HK-47 is revealed to be just as obnoxious and queer as Mr. Bones. Either that or Revan gets upstaged by a new OC character loosely based on one of his female companions much like with Qira or L337 in Solo.

I've always thought, that next to turning Mara Jade into a strong independent WoC devoid of any connection to Luke, the biggest fanservice bait and switch Disney could pull would be to take Revan and turn him into a troon or an enby.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Also the creepy mime tranny doll cyborg and the tumblr droid weird me out something fierce. She has a fucking holo projector in her skull. Why would you have a communications device installed on a part of your body you can't even see?

Another Disney Star Wars character without a brain, go figure. Seriously, why are there so many goddamn brainless aliens (and people) in Disney Star Wars? I swear, Disney Star Wars aliens fall into 4 categories:
1. Shitty redesigns of classic aliens (unoriginality)
2. Brainless freaks (someone's fetish)
3. Tentacle freaks (someone's fetish)
4. Weird phallic/sexual freaks (someone's fetish)

Either that or Revan gets upstaged by a new OC character loosely based on one of his female companions much like with Qira or L337 in Solo.

Han Solo was cucked out of his own movie by fucking everyone. Did Han Solo do anything of note in that movie? Nobody remembers that movie for Han Solo. And not just because Woody Harrelson and Donald Glover are far better actors than the guy who played Han Solo who got into Hollywood thanks to nepotism, but because the writing gives most of the cool shit to other characters and has him come across as not only inexperienced (which makes sense) but totally out of character.

But Disney Star Wars sucks so much I'd rather watch that than Eps 7-9. At least there's a salvagable film in Solo rather than a blatant ripoff, an unsalvagable pretentious mess, and a collection of scenes that calls itself a movie.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

I can't find the post anymore.

But someone back then said on this thread that you should feel lucky if a huge corporation never finds a franchise you love and attempts to reboot it or add to it new material.

I was too naive and I said that what truly mattered is that it wouldn't be bad as long as those artists that loved it had a chance with it. Now I know better, these people will destroy corrupt, steal, kill, and destroy any good memory just to feel the pleasure of seeing the old fans suffer for committing the crime of disagreeing them, and for the delusion to feel morally superior for it. It's as evil as you can get without breaking any law.

I rather have what I love to be forgotten than for it to be corrupted.

They are murderers that have killed memories so precious, parents saw sharing their love for franchises like Star Wars as valuable as any inheritance. As long as these people are in charge, I rather have the few things they have still haven't corrupted to fade in obscurity than to have them be touched by talentless hacks that will pervert anything and even the noblest of heroes to be as shallow, pathetic, insufferable, and selfish as they are.

Star Wars was one of the first casualties, end yet, I hope they never get their clutches in Mara Jade and those other few good things remain untouched.

But just like Luke was the New Hope in a hopeless situation, and with the same hope all the uncorrupted heroes of the past taught us, I believe on the day we will take it all back. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. They only have a fad they use to hide their selfishness; we have timeless values.

 

[RiceofSkywalker]

There's just one issue with that: Revan. Giving Revan a face and specific gender was not a choice that I'm particuarly fond of. I don't hate it per sey but it kind of invalidates the character customization of KOTOR 1. I think the Old Republic comics handled the character best where he was always wearing a cloak that obscured his face and no pronouns were used meaning anyone could be under the mask. From what Ive heard about the Mass Effect EU they do something similar with Shepard.

I've always felt that the only way a KOTOR movie could work would be a trilogy following Zayne Carrick as the underdog protagonist around whom the Mandalorian Wars erupt and unfold. The plot would work pretty much like in the comics, with Revan being the faceless leader of the war effort and Malak the man-of-the-people/heroic recruiter. Audiences would follow the story through Carrick's eyes, with the first movie centering around his backstory and flight from the Council and Lucien Draay while the galaxy prepares for the looming Mandalorian threat. The second movie would pretty much follow the plot of the 2012 mini-series comic "SW:KOTOR - War", with Carrick experiencing the war from both sides of the battlefield, seeing both Jedi throw Code and morals to the curb for a shot at glory-earning heroics and Mandalorians fighting a war they were pushed in through Sith machinations. The third and final movie would address the Republic military's final push against the Mandalorians, the Battle at Malachor and Carrick abandoning war and the Order to get his own happy ending, with the last few scenes showing the Star Forge and hinting towards the Jedi Civil War.

This way, I feel you'd have an interesting story, a relatable, underdog protagonist with his own story and an overarching plot to follow without upsetting the source material or its fans.

 

[HandsomeDan]

You can copy military visuals, but that doesn't mean you know how militaries work. Disney trilogy has the issue of conjuring up infinite troops and resources when required, and removing it just as quickly, even if it doesn't make sense.

Youjo Senki is a good fantasy series which at least gives some attention to making the military aspect work. For example it doesn't matter how much stronger the Empire is compared to the Scandinavians if they're already fighting on two fronts, and even then with more troops the small front and winter makes it impossible for them to commit all their troops. So instead they make a amphibious landing in Oslo to cut off enemy logistics and give themselves railway access and splitting the enemies forces

This is a good point and why the numbers of ships at the Battle of Endor is realistic from a military perspective. No battles include the entirety of one's military forces, even if certain units are present on the battle field/battle area you must always keep units in reserve. They dont all charge in at once. This applies to armor, ships and aircraft. With Star Wars we are taught that the Empire has thousands of warships but even with the resources they have it is impossible to have all of these ships in one location at one time. It is not only a question of resources but time. The forces present at the second Death Star were not all of the ships the Empire had, but the fleet that was in the immediate area at that time. Even if they called for reinforcements it would take these ships time to get there. The asinine scenes of thousands of ships arriving at once in episode 9 is beyond laughable and in no way how a fleet would operate much less even possible from a logistic standpoint. The star destroyer deathstar ships all being at the same elevation is also not how a space fleet would be arranged for combat.

 

[The handsome tard]

I love how shills are acting like we arent allowed to criticize the new Clone Wars episodes.

"BUT YOU ALL WANTED THE FINAL CLONE WARS EPISODES!!"

Yeah and those arent it, bitch/soy. We wanted the real final episodes, these feel more like Feloni's Ahsoka power fantasy. Im just looking for the possible Order 66 scene so I can watch the Jedi die along with this meh season.


Im part of the group that deep down wished CW remained unfinished, I would rather it be forever good than brought back, soiled on but hey, at least now its "concluded".
I would have prefered to believe that CW is a plane that flew into the horizon and, despite not seeing it land, reached its destination. Instead of, you know, getting the recording of it landing and exploding into flames.

Congrats, Disney, you have managed to murder my love for this series as well.

Hope Corona Chan murders you all in your sleep...

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

I love how shills are acting like we arent allowed to criticize the new Clone Wars episodes.

"BUT YOU ALL WANTED THE FINAL CLONE WARS EPISODES!!"

Yeah and those arent it, bitch/soy. We wanted the real final episodes, these feel more like Feloni's Ahsoka power fantasy. Im just looking for the possible Order 66 scene so I can watch the Jedi die along with this meh season.


Im part of the group that deep down wished CW remained unfinished, I would rather it be forever good than brought back, soiled on but hey, at least now its "concluded".
I would have prefered to believe that CW is a plane that flew into the horizon and, despite not seeing it land, reached its destination. Instead of, you know, getting the recording of it landing and exploding into flames.

Congrats, Disney, you have managed to murder my love for this series as well.

Hope Corona Chan murders you all in your sleep...

I mean TCW has had not so great arcs before (Coof D Squad Coof)

Anyways here's a new shill subreddit called r/SaltierthanKrayt

r/saltierthankrayt

r/saltierthankrayt: For those who are critical of the pre-Disney direction of the franchise, and wish to have "intelligent", "respectful" discourse …

www.reddit.com

And much like Kotaku in action VS Gamerghazi while STC has its share of exceptionalism it still surpasses its counter subreddit in terms of subs proving that once again ST fans are the minority

 

[The handsome tard]

I mean TCW has had not so great arcs before (Coof D Squad Coof)

Anyways here's a new shill subreddit called r/SaltierthanKrayt

r/saltierthankrayt

r/saltierthankrayt: For those who are critical of the pre-Disney direction of the franchise, and wish to have "intelligent", "respectful" discourse …

www.reddit.com

And much like Kotaku in action VS Gamerghazi while STC has its share of exceptionalism it still surpasses its counter subreddit in terms of subs proving that once again ST fans are the minority

Im not saying Pre-disney CW was perfect but the gems more than made up for it (I just usually skip them unless they are plot relevant).

And man, isnt it embarassing that the only way they can defend the new shit is to say that the old stuff wasnt "as good as you remember" ? Its also incredibly disingenuous.
EU - More than 30 years of canon, understandable there might be some inconsistency and bad things in it. It kept SW alive outside of the movies tho
Disney EU - A bit more than a decade and its one of the most poorly written constructed messes of a canon I have ever seen. It "borrows" the old EU, tries to do it better, does it poorly, still claims to be the superior version.

I can go on and on but I dont have the entire day (still have my jobs and college, now online, despite the corona virus...)

 

[Gallofag]

I mean TCW has had not so great arcs before (Coof D Squad Coof)

Anyways here's a new shill subreddit called r/SaltierthanKrayt

I agree, TCW isn't all good before or after Disney, I like it, but it doesn't feel like a genuine prequel to ROTS, if you see it as it's own thing and separate continuity it's easier to see it for its own merits.

 

[Table Country]

I mean TCW has had not so great arcs before (Coof D Squad Coof)

Anyways here's a new shill subreddit called r/SaltierthanKrayt

r/saltierthankrayt

r/saltierthankrayt: For those who are critical of the pre-Disney direction of the franchise, and wish to have "intelligent", "respectful" discourse …

www.reddit.com

And much like Kotaku in action VS Gamerghazi while STC has its share of exceptionalism it still surpasses its counter subreddit in terms of subs proving that once again ST fans are the minority

Wait what the fuck? When did SaltierthanKrayt fall to the shills? When I first saw it it was an anti-Disney Star Wars reddit. What did I miss?
EDIT: Ignore me I can't recognize differences in spelling.

 

[Creep3r]

Wait what the fuck? When did SaltierthanKrayt fall to the shills? When I first saw it it was an anti-Disney Star Wars reddit. What did I miss?

r/SaltierthanCrait is still the same (although they limited memes and edits, making the place a little less fun though). r/SaltierthanKrayt is just an unfunny counter. Much like r/SequelMemes.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

Wait what the fuck? When did SaltierthanKrayt fall to the shills? When I first saw it it was an anti-Disney Star Wars reddit. What did I miss?

No this SaltierthanKRAYT Not SaltierthanCRAIT. It’s another counter subreddit in the vein of Gamerghaz, gamingcirclejerk and enoughpetersonspam that quickly devolved into just as if not more of a circlejerk than it’s rival.

 

[The handsome tard]

Wait what the fuck? When did SaltierthanKrayt fall to the shills? When I first saw it it was an anti-Disney Star Wars reddit. What did I miss?

r/SaltierthanCrait is still the same (although they limited memes and edits, making the place a little less fun though). r/SaltierthanKrayt is just an unfunny counter. Much like r/SequelMemes.

No this SaltierthanKRAYT Not SaltierthanCRAIT. It’s another counter subreddit in the vein of Gamerghaz, gamingcirclejerk and enoughpetersonspam that quickly devolved into just as if not more of a circlejerk than it’s rival.

Good to see the 'tism is alive and well on Reddit

 

[Table Country]

r/SaltierthanCrait is still the same (although they limited memes and edits, making the place a little less fun though). r/SaltierthanKrayt is just an unfunny counter. Much like r/SequelMemes.

No this SaltierthanKRAYT Not SaltierthanCRAIT. It’s another counter subreddit in the vein of Gamerghaz, gamingcirclejerk and enoughpetersonspam that quickly devolved into just as if not more of a circlejerk than it’s rival.

I can't tell if I'm the retarded one in this equation or if the redditors are.