Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[Enoby Way]

imo it makes sense that a professional is trying to make his patient not acknowledge their splits for it not to get worse and to integrate.
just my 2 cents to that screencap.
also I am a bit shocked on how many twitter user and other social media accounts there are that "suffer" from DID...
but I guess its just fun to have an excuse to be weird and roleplay.

To add to that, there are several disorders/conditions/whatever i don't know the right term that essentially have ego states and/or feelings of identity confusion such as BPD, and if you have that plus amnesia and/or dissociation from PTSD... Well, it's pretty easy for someone like that, who is scared about their mental health and in a suggestible state, to latch onto this--because despite their occasional lipservice of "DID is not fun", these people make it look fun. So they start fleshing those ego states out and convince themselves they are real people and can't remember what is going on. Double points for especially if they feel incredibly lonely and unable to cope with life. Instead, you can manifest your own protector, or maybe it was there all along for you! And they completely understand you like nobody else ever will because they were in your own head all along! And you'll never be alone again!

It's an incredibly seductive combination and I know we're here for the lolcows but it's actually pretty fucking sad. Somebody remind me where the line is between those two things again?

But also, yes, there are just people larping about it for funsies.

 

[turtleneckfish]

The worst part of this whole DID community is how it enables and excuses predators. Age-sliding, paired with "you can't doubt someone who claims they have DID" and everyone is valid makes it so an adult can just say they have a 13 year old alter and everyone has to take it at face value. Then, since that alter is its own person and you have to validate it, the logical conclusion is that the alter can date an actual teenager and it's totally okay, if you for one second have doubts about it you are evil! How can Chloe say it's not okay for a 13 year old alter in a 30 year old body to date a 14 year old without contradicting everything she has said before? It would have a snowball effect that would end up invalidating the beliefs everyone in the community holds so dearly.

This is ultimately way more dangerous than her just manipulating kids into giving her money and worshiping the ground she walks on. She has created the perfect cocktail for pedophiles, that's why it's so important to expose her, when she falls, it will be way harder for them to use this to their advantage. They will have to latch on to the next trend and you autists will be here to discredit it. Let's make it hard for them to fulfill their fantasies.

I can assure you that "anti-twitter" won't have that shit anytime soon.
in a community that bashes and witchhunts people for drawin underage characters, 5000 year lolis and aged up characters, this would still be a no no lmao.
also what brain acrobatics to even get there..
you must be a special kind of autistic to even think "mental age" would suffice even if its its own character.
Idk if it is really as easy for pedophiles as it seems, cause if there is anything I learnt the past few weeks on twitter, its that pedos get shunned immediately and if "anti-twitter" ever got wind of this, it would be over.

 

[comrade666]

Reading this stuff out loud makes you feel insane. Seriously. What the fuck. Also, don't these people have alters that deal with sexual stuff? Nina was Chloe's for example. Don't tell me Nan has a werecat alter for their sexual needs. Sounds like a furry fetish if nothing else.

Chloe and Nina integrated to form Nin who is the current host. Nin is such a retarded name I've stuck with Chloe but technically if we're buying into her DID, Chloe has been 'Nin' for around eight months now. So, Chloe absorbed her own sexual trauma when she absorbed Nina. Chloe, the host, is now responsible for handling her own sexual trauma - even though alters exist to protect the host from that sort of thing. It's pretty lulzy.

 

[turtleneckfish]

To add to that, there are several disorders/conditions/whatever i don't know the right term that essentially have ego states and/or feelings of identity confusion such as BPD, and if you have that plus amnesia and/or dissociation from PTSD... Well, it's pretty easy for someone like that, who is scared about their mental health and in a suggestible state, to latch onto this--because despite their occasional lipservice of "DID is not fun", these people make it look fun. So they start fleshing those ego states out and convince themselves they are real people and can't remember what is going on. Double points for especially if they feel incredibly lonely and unable to cope with life. Instead, you can manifest your own protector, or maybe it was there all along for you! And they completely understand you like nobody else ever will because they were in your own head all along! And you'll never be alone again!

It's an incredibly seductive combination and I know we're here for the lolcows but it's actually pretty fucking sad. Somebody remind me where the line is between those two things again?

But also, yes, there are just people larping about it for funsies.

especially why its so alluring to depressed teenagers. Could not imagine a better combination for mentally disturbed and emotionally unstable teens...

 

[Enoby Way]

might be worth a try actually to make some more noise about it for them to catch on.

if you want to make some noise about it make some noise yourself. KF isn't your personal army and a prime rule of this site is not to interact unless they come here. Much as there are many people in this thread pissed off about Chloe and Nan's actions, this thread never started as a way to call someone out or prove anything, just to laugh at their idiocy with an insane attention to detail. There might be occasional deviations into 'man this is shitty', but ultimately that's what this site is for.

 

[bonitoflakeprincess]

especially why its so alluring to depressed teenagers. Could not imagine a better combination for mentally disturbed and emotionally unstable teens...

and then tell people fleshing out ego states and working together as a team is what true therapy/integration/goal.

 

[Lurk]

Here is the Multiplicity & Me video mentioned:

I'm on the fence about Jess. One thing I'm fairly sure of is that Chloe probably drew a lot of 'inspiration' from her in the beginning - I seem to remember way back in the thread when we were first looking at Chloe's tumblr and one of the earliest mentions of DID was a reblog of a post by Jess or something involving Jess.

 

[generalsneezus]

Relating back to the Disney vlog, Nin claims that every alter is a very real, legitimate person. She also really emphasizes the imperativeness of protecting her littles. So A) I’m sure not a single sane parent would let two children, especially aged 10 and YOUNGER, venture around a public place like disney world on their own, where predators can definitely lurk. So why would they let two 10 (and/or younger) year old alters, who to them are real people, go out of their own with no third party protection. Also, Nin wants to protect the littles but to me it’s hella dangerous for them to go in public showcasing that behavior w/o adult supervision, as predators and lurkers can take note. I guess maybe the other protector alters were monitoring them from the back seat?? I have no idea. Not trying to invalidate their conditions, just confuses me as Nin has emphasized in a multitude of videos how hazardous exposure of littles can be. Also, agreed, the littles kissing and displaying affection to that degree is concerning to me. Don’t know many parents who would let young children make out in a public place like disney either. but that’s just me

ALSO, the scene of Nan at the wishing well. The little was fronting at that moment, correct? So how the heck do they or would they want to know about an explicit, sexualized comic containing minor characters. Also, I’m pretty sure that alone confirms that not only Nin knew, but Nan’s system AND young, minor littles were aware of Nan’s indulgence in cp. To me, this confirms the system is not only accountable, but were aware and took no action towards the vile situation. Also, if they have an inner world, why would Nan not communicate her struggles. Again, not trying to diagnose, harass, or bully either of them. I just have valid questions that the community BLASTED me for having. Like, one person in the comments told me that questioning Nan’s drawings was worse than “actually drawing child porn,”(which I have screenshots of). So apparently me having an opinion is traumatizing to the community. But of course, they go dead silent once the big name DID yters denounce their affiliation w Nan. So many discrepancies

 

[Enoby Way]

Here is the Multiplicity & Me video mentioned:

I'm on the fence about Jess. One thing I'm fairly sure of is that Chloe probably drew a lot of 'inspiration' from her in the beginning - I seem to remember way back in the thread when we were first looking at Chloe's tumblr and one of the earliest mentions of DID was a reblog of a post by Jess or something involving Jess.

I'm on the fence about whether she has some super-rare presentation of DID but as for her intentions, I think she is just trying to raise awareness for a condition she genuinely believes she has. Her behaviour has been pretty consistent with not making attention grabs. Aside from this one bizarre thing about her she's like the anti-lolcow--graduated uni, has a normal full-time job (or did until she had a baby), in a stable relationship, associates with normal people irl, hardly posts online even for someone with a youtube channel to keep alive, doesn't showcase their life, and only associates with exceptional people because of her online advocacy.

But as I stated before in the thread, I definitely am biased towards her because I just think she seems really sweet.

I don't feel like getting into a competition with @turtleneckfish to see who can be more exceptional, sorry to everyone else who might have wanted a sideshow.

 

[Bananasaurus]

ALSO, the scene of Nan at the wishing well. The little was fronting at that moment, correct? So how the heck do they or would they want to know about an explicit, sexualized comic containing minor characters.

I'd also like to know which 10 year-old would use the phrase "financially and economically stable".

 

[incorrigible shit goblin]

I'm on the fence about whether she has some super-rare presentation of DID but as for her intentions, I think she is just trying to raise awareness for a condition she genuinely believes she has. Her behaviour has been pretty consistent with not making attention grabs. Aside from this one bizarre thing about her she's like the anti-lolcow--graduated uni, has a normal full-time job (or did until she had a baby), in a stable relationship, associates with normal people irl, hardly posts online even for someone with a youtube channel to keep alive, doesn't showcase their life, and only associates with exceptional people because of her online advocacy.

Jess is also a lot more forth coming about the PTSD symptoms and negative aspects of the disorder. She may have some sillier videos occasionally, but it's not glorifying the disorder. That's why I believe that if anyone is real, it's her.

 

[generalsneezus]

I'd also like to know which 10 year-old would use the phrase "financially and economically stable".

Was wondering the exact same thing. Must have some pretty advanced schooling in the inner world to know that. Like how many 10 year olds or younger are even thinking about economic or financial stability?? just perplexing to me

 

[Enoby Way]

Was wondering the exact same thing. Must have some pretty advanced schooling in the inner world to know that. Like how many 10 year olds or younger are even thinking about economic or financial stability?? just perplexing to me

But someone else was probably co-conscious that time! (And every other time!)

edit: fuck it, they're all co-con all the time. That's how everyone always knows where everyone else's sentences left off immediately, that's how they all know the same level of research about DID, that's how they all seem to be up to date on where things are at for the system, that's why they never have an alter maliciously take over a social media account for a day.

We can also refer to this state of affairs as not actually having dissociative amnesia i.e. one of the criteria for diagnosing DID.

 

[generalsneezus]

But someone else was probably co-conscious that time! (And every other time!)

edit: fuck it, they're all co-con all the time. That's how everyone always knows where everyone else's sentences left off immediately, that's how they all know the same level of research about DID, that's how they all seem to be up to date on where things are at for the system, that's why they never have an alter maliciously take over a social media account for a day. We can also refer to this state of affairs as not actually having dissociative amnesia i.e. one of the criteria for diagnosing DID.

Yeah, the amnesia barriers they have confound me as I don’t understand how an alter can just switch and know that they’re filming, why they’re filming, and even picking up from the same sentence they left off...like from extreme cases of DID I’ve heard when they switch they have absolutely no cognitive awareness, no idea of the task at hand and even lack of knowledge of who the people around them are. Ie in the Anthony Padilla video, if I was a child and I just popped out with random people around me, bright lights and cameras surrounding me, I would be fairly apprehensible and unsettled. I’m not Nin so I don’t know what goes on the headspace, but I wish there was some explanation for the lack of amnesia barriers that seem to be the defining and necessary symptom that classifies someone having DID.

 

[pd2jzutg2]

Ie in the Anthony Padilla video, if I was a child and I just popped out with random people around me, bright lights and cameras surrounding me, I would be fairly apprehensible and unsettled. I’m not Nin so I don’t know what goes on the headspace, but I wish there was some explanation for the lack of amnesia barriers that seem to be the defining and necessary symptom that classifies someone having DID.

To be fair, the little did say that they were told they would be filming on that day, but she did seem way too comfortable being in the hot seat suddenly. She did play up the amnesia walls well with her “I don’t know what the question is” schtick. I think that was Chloe’s most accurate performance yet, someone nominate her for an Oscar

 

[generalsneezus]

To be fair, the little did say that they were told they would be filming on that day, but she did seem way too comfortable being in the hot seat suddenly. She did play up the amnesia walls well with her “I don’t know what the question is” schtick. I think that was Chloe’s most accurate performance yet, someone nominate her for an Oscar

Hmm, interesting. That just makes me further ponder the communicate in the headspace and the amnesia walls. If Nin was able to tell the little she was going to be on the show, why couldn’t she also tell the little what the previous question Anthony asked was. Because they said they can hear their alters talking to them as internalized voices.

 

[Enoby Way]

like from extreme cases of DID I’ve heard when they switch they have absolutely no cognitive awareness, no idea of the task at hand and even lack of knowledge of who the people around them are

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those extreme cases literally all cases of undiagnosed DID?

edit:

Hmm, interesting. That just makes me further ponder the communicate in the headspace and the amnesia walls. If Nin was able to tell the little she was going to be on the show, why couldn’t she also tell the little what the previous question Anthony asked was. Because they said they can hear their alters talking to them as internalized voices.

Chloe's already established that her internal logic allows for co-conscious sometimes but not always (incidentally, also how Jess describes it). Allows Chloe to milk have it both ways.

I too was impressed by her acting.

 

[dissociadoofus]

I'd also like to know which 10 year-old would use the phrase "financially and economically stable".

Ya how do "explain" things like that-Kids with big vocabs. Or for example, when talking with Anthony, she said a toy store could trigger her little, so all of a sudden a little is out in a mall, and I'm supposed to believe they know how to navigate life from there? They wouldn't be in a fetal position crying of confusion of why they're there? And what kid says they're too little. Little kids refuse to not be seen as big boys and girls. It's just so many tiny inconsistent things that make you go "huh".

 

[comrade666]

I'm on the fence about Jess. One thing I'm fairly sure of is that Chloe probably drew a lot of 'inspiration' from her in the beginning - I seem to remember way back in the thread when we were first looking at Chloe's tumblr and one of the earliest mentions of DID was a reblog of a post by Jess or something involving Jess.

I would have been more inclined to believe Jess before learning that her alters are a family of cool gay emo boys who also live in a mansion in her head. Two are married with a child, and the other is an American actor and pop star who is the uncle of the child. One alter used to be an angry hairdresser who self harmed and hated everyone. Since Jess had a baby she's started to withdraw slowly from the DID community and suddenly her child alter has grown up into a responsible teenager, and her angry self harming alter is at peace, and she's talking about integration.

It's all a little convenient to me but I will admit she is the most rational of all DID YouTubers and I don't mind her. I think she was a dramatic teenager who has grown up and is actually a little embarrassed about her past but can't see a way out. With that said, she dropped a lot of hints about taking her Father to court at one stage but now she's got a good relationship with him. People who knew her in real life have said she doesn't really switch but who really knows.

Chloe is the new Jess as far as I'm concerned but she's taken it to the next level. She was definitely inspired by Jess based on her Tumblr and probably saw an opportunity.

I'd also like to know which 10 year-old would use the phrase "financially and economically stable".

This comes from one of Nan's child alters who wrote a song about The Witcher and used the phrase 'pseudo European country' or something. What child talks like that? Fake ones.

 

[generalsneezus]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those extreme cases literally all cases of undiagnosed DID?

Quite possibly, honestly diagnosis of DID seems to be a very difficult and misunderstood process. There are so many mental illnesses garnering similar symptoms that it’s so easy to take a quiz or go to an unlicensed person, say your symptoms and get the badge. I was reading a thread of someone discussing how they had chronic amnesia but not DID, they didn’t feel dissociated or like a different person but would walk around and wake up unaware of where they were. However, when they shared this online, people were harassing them in their dms like “WHAT ARE YOUR ALTERS NAMES HOW OLD ARE THEY WHERE ARE THEM FROM” and they were like what??? I don’t have alters. They then took a DID quiz online and understandably scored high on it. DID, to me, exists, but I think since it shares sooo many symptoms with similar diseases, the idea of what it really is and what it really takes to develop DID is commonly misconstrued

This comes from one of Nan's child alters who wrote a song about The Witcher and used the phrase 'pseudo European country' or something. What child talks like that? Fake ones.
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They really said pseudo European country? Christ