Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[NoWords]

Chloe can use the education excuse as much as she likes but we all know it was really a way to build a platform to feed her ego.

This was also a way for her to appear like she knows what she is talking about. She tries to appear as a professional in the mental health field, but is way off base with her information.

She attempted and successfully built trust with gullible and impressionable tweens by pretending it was educational. All for the sake of building her platform.

Edit: and of course made it appear cool to other retards, who now have "systems".

 

[craig25pop]

Even if this presentation of DID were real, which I don't believe, it wouldn't change your biology when you switch. One of her alters supposedly can't see without prescription glasses, but none of the others need them. She also only "knew of" one alter when she started seeing Remy. He encouraged her to form an inner world and "find" the others. This should be a sign to her husband that her therapist is a loon, but he's just as bad as the therapist.

To my knowledge, it is possible that Dissociative disorders could occur with somatoform symptoms which might explain the changes with eyesight.

People diagnosed with conversion disorder (which is categorized as a dissociative disorder) could have neurological symptoms that could make them have seizures, blindness and other neurological symptoms without any physical cause. Although as with DID this still remains controversial, just not as much.

 

[comrade666]

I can't remember who, but wasn't someone in thread subscribed to emails from TOI? Apparently they've sent an additional email this evening addressing their stance on Nan. I'd like to see that.

 

[generalsneezus]

Well, these are the consequences of channels like Chloe's. She comes in claiming that she wants to raise awareness and reduce stigma - funnily enough, Robert of D.I.D and Me used Chloe's stock phrase "a channel dedicated to reducing the stigma around DID" in a few videos - but what stigma?

She talks about films like Split and Glass. But what kind of rctard actually believes that someone with a mental illness can transform into a physical beast and scale walls? There was no real stigma as far as I'm concerned or at least nothing significant that warranted a whole social media movement. Throwing the condition out on social media as a fun little quirk has convinced an entire community of easily led mongoloids that this is a very common condition and everyone with even mild dissociative symptoms should spend time searching their own head for imaginary friends.

Chloe can use the education excuse as much as she likes but we all know it was really a way to build a platform to feed her ego.

Agreed, I’ve seen a lot of oppression and bullying from her fanbase, and now it’s even towards people who have legitimate conditions for this individual. Credit to them for sticking to their own diagnosis and not being swayed by the masses. Majority of the people in the fanbase, and especially Nin, aren’t doctors. I think advice can be given, but certainly not a diagnosis. That job is for a licensed psychiatrist who is typically a dissociative disorder specialist.
Also, I read up a little on dissociative amnesia and it sounds very similar to DID, minus the individual alters. The fact that the person in the tweet said they scored high on a DID test (which is why i think self diagnosis for a condition of this magnitude is VERY dangerous) makes me wonder how many people may have these symptoms, but see how much fun some of the DID youtubers online are having and think “who needs therapy or an actual confirmed diagnosis when I can just substitute them with dragon ocs and manga characters?”
Personally, I think DID is real. I just think that it gets heavily confused with things such as dissociative amnesia, bpd, etc. If someone has concerns over their mental wellbeing to that extent, they shouldn’t confine in people who have absolutely no medical qualifications or degrees, but actual experts who have dedicated their lives to studying mental illnesses like this. The fact that people actually created their own alters with symmetrical traits and same names as Nan’s shows how dangerous sensationalization of this disorder can be.

 

[NoWords]

I can't remember who, but wasn't someone in thread subscribed to emails from TOI? Apparently they've sent an additional email this evening addressing their stance on Nan. I'd like to see that.

Someone posted a picture of the first email somewhere in the thread. I would like to see tonight as well.

 

[heavycream]

Back with some more findings from research archives.

I did a search for ANY academic submission i could find from Remy Aquarone and could only come up with this (attached) personal correspondence between himself and two other doctors from 2012. The first, Dr. Alastair McDonald, scrutinises the reliability of diagnostic tools for DID (including those his clinic employs) and questions how valid a concept it is. The second critic, Prof. Harold Merskey, all-together questions the validity of dissociation as a real human experience. Qualifications and positions of these scholars are including in the document.

The initial concerns raised by McDonald echo things I've attempted to draw attention to in the thread before. A choice moment is where he tries to assert that clinicians should err away for allowing clients to pay for the outcome they want (i.e. a DID diagnosis). He also summarises how a lot of the inventories, questionnaires and research that points DID, both on the patient and population level, are circular - these were designed to identify DID. Referring to another critic, Mcdonald writes "Yeomans concentrates on Routine Clinical Outcomes Measurement (RCOM), arguing strongly for its development and enhancement, while wisely refraining from almost suggesting ‘Payment by Outcomes’, which would violate Goodhart’s law, succinctly put by Strathern: ‘When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure’. "

Remy's response to the first critic starts at the bottom of page 1. However, Merskey's response to him on the final page is rather scathing.

Of DID's iatrogenesis, he says: "Dissociation begins with hypnotists, was developed by Janet, promoted by Freud and ruined by the absurdities of multiple personality disorder.". The whole 'DID is the new MPD' has sort of ruined the entire construct of it, because if dissociation does exist, it is very much NOT MPD, as we've established.
However, he takes a more extreme stance and argues "There is no case of proven ‘dissociation’ [...] without organic disorder, although many cases of alleged dissociative memory loss exist, not to mention the generally rejected syndrome of dissociative identity disorder, of which dissociation is the artefactual foundation no matter how much the name or term may be changed ".

It's an interesting 2 page read if you get past the jargon. Not something that can be found online without being a member of an academic institution.

 

[×Bitter Witch×]

I have read most of the thread. So interesting, I'm glad to know the red flags I noticed when I first saw her channel weren't wrong. At one point I felt like I was not being "sensitive" enough because all her social medias and YT channel are FULL of nothing but compliments and that weird role play shit thing, everyone talking about "systems" leaving comments with signatures so she can see who left her that comment. I was like what the actual fuck? Am I the only one who notices how fake she is?

She made a series of videos presenting her alters ( I'm pretty sure someone had mention this before but wanted to commented it since I haven't been able to express my frustration about seeing this woman get away so easily with faking a mental illness) she switched, "accents" changed, cringey new mannerisms, but ALL her alters have the same bad habit of looking to the view finder.

All her "SWITCH CAUGHT ON CAMERA" is a nasty way of fishing for views. Her Anthony Padilla's interview was so awkward...she was the only one that switched and made such a dramatic scene with her "little", she wanted attention, she caught the attention of Trisha Paytas who tried to do the same that Chloe does on a daily basis! Faking D.I.D for views and money, Chloe didn't want to share her throne of D.I.D fake queen and sent a bunch of hate towards Trisha, funny shit that they claim no one have to be judged but when Goddess Chloe takes on someone, everyone has to follow.

Nan have always seem to me pretty creepy and such a bad actress, I read about her taking up faking D.I.D because of a roommate? Correct me if I'm wrong. But yeah, never understood how there were no negative comment on her YT either.

Chloe decided to distance herself from Nan only because she was afraid people were going to dig more on her shit if she kept supporting someone that was currently being judged no matter of her "mental illness", she obviously panicked and decided to save herself. I'm hoping Nan gets angry and spills some tea about Chloe D.I.D being fake! But I doubt that since she may want to keep happy that "community" so she may try to come back after everyone forgets her drawings. I hope more people finds this forum where we are not being censored by this fake people. Keep it up people!

Also, does no one knows if there's any twitter account that tries to expose all this facts about Chloe? That would be good. An anonymous account that may start shaking up a lil that untouchable liar.

 

[Enoby Way]

DID is not real and if any of you still believe any of these YouTubers or social media mental health advocates I've got a very nice Villa on Mars to sell you.

Honestly I'm too uneducated to know if it is or isn't and I don't like to act as though it can't possibly exist in some form when I literally don't personally know. All I know is, I sure as shit know it doesn't exist in Chloe and Nan's form. So I guess what I'm saying is, what's the earliest date we can book a house tour, and have you found any tips and tricks for getting all that red dust out of the carpet?

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Agreed, I’ve seen a lot of oppression and bullying from her fanbase, and now it’s even towards people who have legitimate conditions for this individual. Credit to them for sticking to their own diagnosis and not being swayed by the masses. Majority of the people in the fanbase, and especially Nin, aren’t doctors. I think advice can be given, but certainly not a diagnosis. That job is for a licensed psychiatrist who is typically a dissociative disorder specialist.

The problem I have with this is that every single dissociative disorder specialist out there has a radically different opinion from the next one. As a layperson it's incredibly confusing.

 

[Mistook for Human]

You were doing good until right there.

Ya, you're right. I shouldnt have wrote that. Came off a little misleading. I should have just worded it as "I was never a fan of her. Only watched some of her informational videos for medical research."

The point I was trying to make was that the symptoms from DID are similar to my GM, thus fell down a rabbit hole trying to learn more. I never actually cared for Chole personally. (Don't know how anyone can get attached to youtubers) I only watched her and other channels for my personal research. I wanted to clarify that because I think she might actually have DID, its not because I'm being bias since I'd be a fan. I am not and very much on the fence whether or not she is faking. And now I find my self questioning all DID channels.
I watch one "meet the alters" and I cringed all the way through. Seemed very fake. As if one alter was just pretending to be others for the views. IFFFF she actually has it.
Just because someone DOES have a mental illness doesn't mean they are not capable of lying, faking or exaggerated.

I hope that clarifies that part. Sorry.

 

[NoWords]

I just think that it gets heavily confused with things such as dissociative amnesia, bpd, etc.

This may be true in some instances, but it is not what is running rampant within that community. These people are activity seeking out DID. They do not want any other condition. They want DID and they want it because of channels like Chloe's making it appear like it's enjoyable and special.

The point I was trying to make was that the symptoms from DID are similar to my GM,

I think you missed the point. I did NOT say that because I thought you were a fan of Chloe. I quoted the chosen text because it mentions a family member of yours. We do not need to know that your grandma had DID.

 

[(s)tori]

I can't remember who, but wasn't someone in thread subscribed to emails from TOI? Apparently they've sent an additional email this evening addressing their stance on Nan. I'd like to see that.

Someone posted a picture of the first email somewhere in the thread. I would like to see tonight as well.

I'm not subscribed.
I've tried to find the email. It was sent out around an hour ago, so I'm guessing people will take some time. Also I'm not certain if someone will leak it. I'll keep looking around different sources.

 

[Mistook for Human]

If there is one thing we have learnt from this saga it is not to watch videos about DID in order to learn about DID. go to a library.

TRUTH! Lesson learned! All I wanted to do was learn more about the disorder. Instead fell down this fucked up rabbit hole. Next time I want to learn more about mental illness, I'll research papers or only watch videos of licensed psychologist.

 

[generalsneezus]

Honestly I'm too uneducated to know if it is or isn't and I don't like to act as though it can't possibly exist in some form when I literally don't personally know. All I know is, I sure as shit know it doesn't exist in Chloe and Nan's form. So I guess what I'm saying is, what's the earliest date we can book a house tour, and have you found any tips and tricks for getting all that red dust out of the carpet?

Agreed, I think we can all theorize but I wish an educated expert in this field would step out and make a video or piece on how DID really is in comparison to its portrayal on youtube. Most of these yters don’t have degrees or extensive study history at a higher level of education in this field.
I also find it very toxic that a person (Nin) with no degree or extensive university study history in this field would try to tell someone onl

This may be true in some instances, but it is not what is running rampant within that community. These people are activity seeking out DID. They do not want any other condition. They want DID and they want it because of channels like Chloe's making it appear like it's enjoyable and special.

Exactly, that’s what I’m saying as well. I meant that while these diseases exist, people who may have them deny them and solely seek a DID diagnosis like you said. Same with therapist, they may mention DID but not try to assess if the patient may have bpd, dissociative amnesia, etc. As one of the critics in the article involving Remy posted earlier said, many people will BUY a diagnosis with such desperation to get affirmation.
And yet they claim it’s not a fun disease, them why would they seek so eagerly to get diagnosed with it. Also, with an illness of this severity, I think getting a second or third doctors opinion and even a brain analysis/cat scan should be something heavily considered. If DID in it’s actual existence is waking up literally thinking you’re a different person, that sounds painfully debilitating and something nobody should want to half. It also sounds too severe to self-diagnose.
I don’t know why some can’t just admit they’re roleplaying, I guess that wouldn’t attract as wide or sympathetic of an audience but at least they won’t be corrupting the ideas of how strenuous some mental illnesses are.

 

[Enoby Way]

TRUTH! Lesson learned! All I wanted to do was learn more about the disorder. Instead fell down this fucked up rabbit hole. Next time I want to learn more about mental illness, I'll research papers or only watch videos of licensed psychologist.

Dr Todd Grande is a good place to start. He doesn't list his credentials on his youtube about page for some weird reason, but his linkedin is there and he's an associate professor chockfull of degrees.

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Agreed, I think we can all theorize but I wish an educated expert in this field would step out and make a video or piece on how DID really is in comparison to its portrayal on youtube.

And yet because of this split between the camp of specialists who see DID the way the youtubers see it, and specialists who don't see it that way, laypeople still won't know if it's accurate or just them having a wank on their pet theory. There's a fundamental problem here and I hope it gets fixed by the time the next DSM comes out because god it's doing my head in.

edit again because I just noticed I said split and that makes me chuckle.

 

[Pickless Ugly Friend]

Someone posted a picture of the first email somewhere in the thread. I would like to see tonight as well.

 

[NoWords]

I don’t know why some can’t just admit they’re roleplaying, I guess that wouldn’t attract as wide or sympathetic of an audience

Yep, exactly, because none would watch their videos or pat them on the back.

 

[generalsneezus]

Honestly I'm too uneducated to know if it is or isn't and I don't like to act as though it can't possibly exist in some form when I literally don't personally know. All I know is, I sure as shit know it doesn't exist in Chloe and Nan's form. So I guess what I'm saying is, what's the earliest date we can book a house tour, and have you found any tips and tricks for getting all that red dust out of the carpet?

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The problem I have with this is that every single dissociative disorder specialist out there has a radically different opinion from the next one. As a layperson it's incredibly confusing.

Exactly, I rarely see them unanimously agreeing on one idea about it. I think they should redefine or remove the term until a consistent idea of the disorder is confirmed, because there are a lot of inconsistencies amassing confusion among everyone atm

 

[heterotic]

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THIS

ALL OF THIS

Also, I couldn't recall what put me off of Multiplicity & Me specifically, but this reminded me.

It was because she said she "passed" the DID test with "flying colors".

Despite that she doesn't appear to be so polished as Chloe does, it's the same problematic behavior. The packaging is just a little rougher around the edges. Living disordered and working to unravel some sort of stigma that doesn't exist. The general idea that having DID is like getting into a prestigious club.

 

[c*ndy c*rn b*tch]

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Jesus. The melodrama. "Shattered"? I can't believe I used to butt-pat people like this. It's so fucking unhealthy.

Also, "Assaulted in various ways"? I'm surprised there weren't three trigger warnings at the beginning of this e-mail because, for supposedly talking to hundreds of thousands of CSA survivors she has shit bedside manner. What Nan did was disgusting and she's a degenerate, but you'd think they uncovered a trunk full of kiddie snuff photos the way people talk.

The general idea that having DID is like getting into a prestigious club.

They make it look like they're the goddamned X-Men, then turn around and tsk-tsk at people for "glamourizing DID". Fuck off, kinnies! I've got my own club, it's called "Being Relatively Normal".

 

[Gramh]

I just want one of these DID Youtubers or influencers to say what exactly is so stigmatized about DID. They drone on and on about stigmas but it's always vague.