Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

[KingofNothing]

King of Nothing, produce a clip of me saying or even insinuating that I believed it'd be easy for me to get on Joe Rogan or Ben Shapiro's shows.

People just hear what they want to hear.

I've said that trying to sell comic books by kissing ass to get on the big media shows is a waste of time. People may be interested in your story, and happy to hear it, but they aren't going to buy your comic book, because most people aren't inclined to buy comic books.

Same reason NYT articles about Iceman Is Now Gay don't result in more sales for Marvel. People read those articles, feel however they feel about it, but 99.99999% of those readers aren't going to seek out the comic.

You're better off appearing on smaller shows that are entirely about comic books. You'll sell more books to a targeted audience.

I wasn't trying to imply that you thought it would be easy to get on anything. I was paraphrasing your response to people suggesting you get on to those type of shows and why you didn't want to do it. I know you didn't say it'd be easy

 

[CapeKnight]

I wasn't trying to imply that you thought it would be easy to get on anything. I was paraphrasing your response to people suggesting you get on to those type of shows and why you didn't want to do it. I know you didn't say it'd be easy

You know, I wasn't even suggesting that he should try to get on it. What I was suggesting was that ComicsGate isn't even a big enough movement or relevant enough (funny how he had to go name a livestream he recently just did as "the most relevant person in comics") to even be considered to be put on it, and the fact that I've learned that an offer was made for Richard to get on Joe Rogan, yet they still fumbled the ball on it, proves that none of them actually even have enough faith on what they're doing to begin with.

I didn't even suggest anywhere that they should be contacting them to get on it, but merely the point that there's very minimal effort from either parties, that being the interview outlets or CG, to even make an attempt to expand the narrative to a bigger audience. Ethan seems to have taken all of this to "it's so hard because no one cares", saying it in a way as if someone's gatekeeping him from entering, when it fact, he himself seems to say the "it's so hard because no one cares" argument to back up his "I don't want to bother", which by default, negates one another no matter how you want to look at it. So, do comics matter or not? Is any of this important enough to warrant an internet movement? If not, then what is this, if not a grift on people?

 

[Newman's Own]

I wasn't trying to imply that you thought it would be easy to get on anything. I was paraphrasing your response to people suggesting you get on to those type of shows and why you didn't want to do it. I know you didn't say it'd be easy

You'll have to forgive Caesar.

Every 4 weeks or so he gets super sensitive like this for a few days.

Is it a full moon?

 

[Yosha]

Just by watching anna, jon and cecil you can see that these 3 are clearly friends, especially anna and cecil. So i get it why both of those guys are defending her. Cecil also had a good point tonight by saying that she could have been selling her book much better if she was on bigger channels, which is also true. She is friends with a lot of 200k+ subs channels, but is not showing there and is rather streaming with cecil and malin, which have pretty small channels. respect for that.

The only problem i have with cecil and malin is that they should have said fuck you to some wc members earlier. Malin looks like is pretty much done with that creep Pan. Plus his relationship with Ro has not been good for a while now.

I dont know if even ethan can fix this, cause even if they will be fine now, you know wc will start some bullshit in the future.

 

[CapeKnight]

Just by watching anna, jon and cecil you can see that these 3 are clearly friends, especially anna and cecil. So i get it why both of those guys are defending her. Cecil also had a good point tonight by saying that she could have been selling her book much better if she was on bigger channels, which is also true. She is friends with a lot of 200k+ subs channels, but is not showing there and is rather streaming with cecil and malin, which have pretty small channels. respect for that.

The only problem i have with cecil and malin is that they should have said fuck you to some wc members earlier. Malin looks like is pretty much done with that creep Pan. Plus his relationship with Ro has not been good for a while now.

I dont know if even ethan can fix this, cause even if they will be fine now, you know wc will start some bullshit in the future.

On the surface of what you just said, especially the highlighted part, it seems like a humble move. My question then becomes, how many of those people who follow and watch her other friends 200k+ subs channels are actually gonna dip down and buy a comic book, meaning how many of them are a direct crossover into an already comic book buying audience? It's more of a surefire tactic to step into CG's territory to not take that risk of unpredictable purchases because she could either be banking more (it's possible this could have actually happened) or less than what she's making now.

I don't take Ro's accusations too seriously, but it did make a thought fly into my head on whether or not Malin actually wants to fuck Anna, with Cecil occupying the gay wingman status in the dynamic. Whatever the case it may be, the train wreck is hilarious.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Star Wars has had an EU full of novels and comics for almost 40 years. In fact, comic adaptations of Star Wars literally saved Marvel Comics from bankruptcy back in the 1970s when Roy Thomas was EIC. If Anna's fans include at least some serious Star Wars fans, the idea of purchasing more comics isn't that outlandish. Speaking personally, one of the first comics I ever read was a treasured giant-sized comic adaptation of Empire Strikes Back, which I read cover to cover years before ever watching the actual movie. Another "lifeboat" of paying customers sunk by Warcampaign I guess.

The problem is that we can say with a fair degree of certainty Anna and anyone in the Fandom Menace scene will never, ever be approved to create and sell material with the Star Wars IP itself, which is also "That Star Wars Girl"'s brand in every meaningful sense. With the dearth of Star Wars material, Anna could slowly get her fanbase interested by discussing EU Marvel Star Wars comics and branch into sci-fi comics such as the Incal and the Metabarons as Star Wars alternatives before broaching the idea of producing her own. But that's a lot of time, money and reputation invested in a shaky venture in a dying medium, so I can imagine why an easy Vampirella cover handled by an experienced publisher would be a great way of testing the waters.

 

[CapeKnight]

Star Wars has had an EU full of novels and comics for almost 40 years. In fact, comic adaptations of Star Wars literally saved Marvel Comics from bankruptcy back in the 1970s when Roy Thomas was EIC. If Anna's fans include at least some serious Star Wars fans, the idea of purchasing more comics isn't that outlandish. Speaking personally, one of the first comics I ever read was a treasured giant-sized comic adaptation of Empire Strikes Back, which I read cover to cover years before ever watching the actual movie. Another "lifeboat" of paying customers sunk by Warcampaign I guess.

The problem is that we can say with a fair degree of certainty Anna and anyone in the Fandom Menace scene will never, ever be approved to create and sell material with the Star Wars IP itself, which is also "That Star Wars Girl"'s brand in every meaningful sense. With the dearth of Star Wars material, Anna could slowly get her fanbase interested by discussing EU Marvel Star Wars comics and branch into sci-fi comics such as the Incal and the Metabarons as Star Wars alternatives before broaching the idea of producing her own. But that's a lot of time, money and reputation invested in a shaky venture in a dying medium, so I can imagine why an easy Vampirella cover handled by an experienced publisher would be a great way of testing the waters.

Whilst there may have been an overlap of the EU comics reader, I also factored in Anna's age and the fact that a lot of her viewers themselves might as well just be around her age, if not give or take a few years.

But most of what you've said here is correct. It's one of the main issues I have with a lot of artists these days to begin with. I stop investing in them and supporting them in general once they decide to not put in the time and skip the steps to gain some type of quick success. Honestly, I keep finding myself asking "why can't these folks just follow the manga creator's examples?" Is everyone in the West that desperate to quickly climb the ladder to success? Why are people in the East still able to subject their creators to an almost torturous practice, but they still take it because they know it's justified and has it's own merits? What is it about this social media age that's made people this damn lazy? I'm not a psychologist, so I'm not gonna try and come up with an answer, but I chalk it up to a lot of Post-Modernist attitude that's taken root in people's minds.

 

[instythot]

Man, Isolation Ethan after a month has to keep coming in here about once every 36 hours or so to call everyone stupid and affirm that he's laughing and totally not mad bro. He used to have some rudimentary skill at bantz for his almost daily refutations and rebuttals. What's he going to be like after 2 months?

 

[Smug Freiza]

When you assume, you make and ass out of u and ..well, just you.
Couldn't it simply be possible that perhaps I'm just bored by a-loggers shitting up once interesting and informative threads without even having the decency to be at least entertaining when they do it?
The latest crop of re-regs from last week are just thread killers, which is probably the point of their gay ops.

To be fair this thread was specifically created to a-log Frog

ETHAN NEED MORE DOPAMINE
MORE SEROTONIN

No seriously, this is a tell like DSP's seal laugh and Sargon's smug chuckles that you're tilted that you have to pick either one of the bigger money makers or your shitty little self proclaimed CorpSec to hold onto.

GG on claiming CG and mimicking GG.

I'm waiting for #CGPolice to start trending any day now.

So swc said that frog flagged their videos, is this the anti sjwway to flag criticism? But it seems that he didn't got the "We didn't find the video to violate tos" because the flag was deleted and Ethan is a verified channel so his reports have more weight.

https://youtu.be/8gph6G0jCm8

Whats interesting is it was a solo individual who got their stream flagged. according to SWC that would mean the flagger is a verified youtuber. Ethan is also the only verified youtuber in comicsgate.

Guys, I'm not a big deal. I know I have entire threads of obsessed nitwits devoted to me here on KiwiFarms, but I'm just a comic book artist on YouTube.

Wheredoyouthinkyouare.jpg? This isn't reddit, Kiwifarms is a forum dedicated to nitwits obsessing about people in threads...

I'd back another Breitweiser campaign -lmao- before giving money to any of TUGs butt buddies. You fucked yourself Ethan.

Not defending Mitch here because I am one of Red Roosters backers, but The Futurists was genuinely the best CG book I've read so far. I'm awaiting Soulfinder: Demons Match so we'll see if that can knock it off my number 1 spot.

You'll have to forgive Caesar.

Every 4 weeks or so he gets super sensitive like this for a few days.

Is it a full moon?

I've noticed a pattern of stress getting to Ethan during certain events. Remember when he rage quit CG? Or the Fall of Rome stream? The events are rare but they do come around every so often.

Malin looks like is pretty much done with that creep Pan. Plus his relationship with Ro has not been good for a while now.

It looks like it runs both ways if this tweet can be believed.

https://twitter.com/scifidesigns/status/1204448452047970304

I'm not going to archive it because its just purely speculation at this point, but lets see how it plays out.

My question then becomes, how many of those people who follow and watch her other friends 200k+ subs channels are actually gonna dip down and buy a comic book,

Judging from Zack and Ethans metrics of over 100K+ subs we can see a backer range of between 2-10K. So roughly translated a backer ratio of 2-10% when comparing Pandemic to say Lost Souls. Going on a 200K+ sub channel and getting even 5% of them to back your comic would be pretty massive.

Whilst there may have been an overlap of the EU comics reader, I also factored in Anna's age and the fact that a lot of her viewers themselves might as well just be around her age, if not give or take a few years.

This could be the main problem, zoomers and millennials are fucking broke. They are the two generations which grew up with piracy and spending $25 on a comicbook will be are hard sell for most of them.

 

[instythot]

This could be the main problem, zoomers and millennials are fucking broke. They are the two generations which grew up with piracy and spending $25 on a comicbook will be are hard sell for most of them.

Exactly. The current price of physical music is wrong. The current price of gay internet frog comics is especially wrong. This is borne out by spotify and whatever the jump digital service is called

The only market you can capture at these price points is boomer nerds. Fine for a self-sustaining cottage industry, but do gay internet frog comics ever have a chance of becoming the ubiquitous cultural shorthand that Superman and Batman are while only selling to boomers? LOL NO, even if the writing improved to an average level

 

[Comicsgeist]

I remember EVS saying in one of the streams from this month I believe, that he could get on some big show like Joe Rogan's or Ben Shapiro but doesn't see the point. He said something along the lines of " I could get on, tell my story and people would applaud not letting the comic gatekeepers crush me, but then none of those people would go on to buy my books."

I dunno, he may have a point, did Miller get a decent bump after the Shapiro plug? I don't think he did. But getting access to a bigger audience probably wouldn't hurt. I mean unless you shit the bed in front of said audience or said audience doesn't care about comics.

@FROG what say you to getting on Rogan?

I honestly don't see the point.
When it comes to YouTube, you get an eye catching thumbnail and about 30 seconds of a person's time to grab their attention.
If the first video the curious come across is an 8hrs livestream that's 80% hard sales tactics and 20% a-logging his own personal Carol Baskin's then ain't nobody got time for that. It's impenetrable to the uninitated and a waste of exposure without Frog radically altering his content.

To be fair this thread was specifically created to a-log Frog

True enough, it's the the bleed over into the main thread that irks me the most so i'll pop over here to to kick the speds right in the hugbox from time to time, or at least correct the record.

Not defending Mitch here because I am one of Red Roosters backers, but The Futurists was genuinely the best CG book I've read so far. I'm awaiting Soulfinder: Demons Match so we'll see if that can knock it off my number 1 spot.

Damn. The Futurists is genuinely the one book I really, really wanted to read. I'm super into that steampunk/Jules Verne/H Rider Haggard/Edgar Rice Burroughs kind of asthetic and pulp storytelling and I'm bummed that Mitch fucked up his crowdfunding model so badly that I didn't feel like I could back it. That and the fact that I'm still waiting on Red Rooster.
I hope he produces a trade paperback I can buy some day.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Damn. The Futurists is genuinely the one book I really, really wanted to read. I'm super into that steampunk/Jules Verne/H Rider Haggard/Edgar Rice Burroughs kind of asthetic and pulp storytelling and I'm bummed that Mitch fucked up his crowdfunding model so badly that I didn't feel like I could back it. That and the fact that I'm still waiting on Red Rooster.
I hope he produces a trade paperback I can buy some day.

It's probably smarter you didn't back it tbh. The Futurists was bundled with Bass Reeves and Norahs Saga for a $25 dollar perk, I haven't read NS or BR yet but I'm not really interested in either book. All three are going into Wallmart, so you could probably just pick up the Futurists for about $5 without picking up the other two and you'll also save on shipping.

 

[VIkkiVerse]

Damn. The Futurists is genuinely the one book I really, really wanted to read. I'm super into that steampunk/Jules Verne/H Rider Haggard/Edgar Rice Burroughs kind of asthetic and pulp storytelling and I'm bummed that Mitch fucked up his crowdfunding model so badly that I didn't feel like I could back it. That and the fact that I'm still waiting on Red Rooster.
I hope he produces a trade paperback I can buy some day.

You still haven't missed your opportunity. You'll be able to get The Futurists at a quarter of the price at Wal-Mart.

 

[Comicsgeist]

It's probably smarter you didn't back it tbh. The Futurists was bundled with Bass Reeves and Norahs Saga for a $25 dollar perk, I haven't read NS or BR yet but I'm not really interested in either book. All three are going into Wallmart, so you could probably just pick up the Futurists for about $5 without picking up the other two and you'll also save on shipping.

Sadly there's no such thing as Walmart in my part of the world. I'd no interest in the other two books either and after the Meg debacle he should have known that bundling books rather then have the individual teams promote them was a mistake. Plus he hinted that further issues would not be crowd funded. I directly asked him (prior to the Wallmart deal being anounced) how I could get it and he just hinted that it would be 'widely available'. Not if you live in another country fuck-head. So it was a no.

 

[CapeKnight]

Sadly there's no such thing as Walmart in my part of the world. I'd no interest in the other two books either and after the Meg debacle he should have known that bundling books rather then have the individual teams promote them was a mistake. Plus he hinted that further issues would not be crowd funded. I directly asked him (prior to the Wallmart deal being anounced) how I could get it and he just hinted that it would be 'widely available'. Not if you live in another country fuck-head. So it was a no.

Another key point on why ComicsGate fails as a model (some of their international backing systems are fucked as well) when they decide to do things like Mitch did. There's no such thing as a Walmart where I'm from either. Meanwhile, I can go to a local bookstore that was still open before the coronavirus and buy as much TPB from DC, Marvel, Dark Horse, IDW and so on. Or just buy manga alone.

 

[CapeKnight]

Liam's latest stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVCq4F12-nA
At around 1 hour 13/14 minutes TUG calls out Richard, and his credibility as a ComicsGate figure. TUG basically asks if Richard is even CG if he doesn't take his "responsibility" to livestream or be on Twitter. TUG trynna go for a kill at Richard's neck here.

EDIT: Liam stupidly says that EVS "reinvented the wheel" at 1 hour 40/41 minute mark. Sure Liam, kiss that ass now.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Sadly there's no such thing as Walmart in my part of the world. I'd no interest in the other two books either and after the Meg debacle he should have known that bundling books rather then have the individual teams promote them was a mistake. Plus he hinted that further issues would not be crowd funded. I directly asked him (prior to the Wallmart deal being anounced) how I could get it and he just hinted that it would be 'widely available'. Not if you live in another country fuck-head. So it was a no.

Another key point on why ComicsGate fails as a model (some of their international backing systems are fucked as well) when they decide to do things like Mitch did. There's no such thing as a Walmart where I'm from either. Meanwhile, I can go to a local bookstore that was still open before the coronavirus and buy as much TPB from DC, Marvel, Dark Horse, IDW and so on. Or just buy manga alone.

Yeah there's no Walmart in my part of the world either, so it looks like I'll be stuck with #1 unless some resells them on ebay or amazon. I noticed Mitch had said he has no further plans to crowdfund future issues either.

TUG going after Richard would be a big mistake. Zack is the golden boy of comicsgate, he refuses to get into twitter slap fights, ignores gay ops and just puts his head down and focuses on his products. I'd argue at this point he isn't comicsgate, he always rejected the hashtag even before the crowdfunders. His an ex-soldier, a father and a lovable boomer, his got not time for hashtags.

 

[Yosha]

next time when Zack is on someone's livestream, someone needs to send a superchat and ask him if he is comicsgate. I am pretty sure his internet will go down before he anwsers.

 

[instythot]

Liam's latest stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVCq4F12-nA
At around 1 hour 13/14 minutes TUG calls out Richard, and his credibility as a ComicsGate figure. TUG basically asks if Richard is even CG if he doesn't take his "responsibility" to livestream or be on Twitter. TUG trynna go for a kill at Richard's neck here.

EDIT: Liam stupidly says that EVS "reinvented the wheel" at 1 hour 40/41 minute mark. Sure Liam, kiss that ass now.

I seem to recall not a day or two ago, the opinion "you can either be a twitter troll or a creator" being slung at comicsgate creators. Mr. Meyer, if he even addresses this should just ask TUG to pick out the mailbox he wants on amazon and he'll have it sent over

 

[CapeKnight]

next time when Zack is on someone's livestream, someone needs to send a superchat and ask him if he is comicsgate. I am pretty sure his internet will go down before he anwsers.

It'd be funny if the Jesus of CG is turned on by the cult of CG. I've heard from someone (or maybe I read it somewhere here) that Richard lurks these forums. Richard, if you're reading, time to step up your game. You may not like dogtags, but the boys are trying to put one on you. Rip the Case of the Littlest Umbrella while you're at it.