Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Takayuki Yagami]

It sounds like there is much more goodwill towards fellow countrymen in Spain, the U.S. has a huge problem with animosity between different regions. People are taking a lot of glee in the suffering of their fellow Americans here, we're very divided. This isn't something new, but this pandemic is bringing it to a head in a lot of ugly ways.

It's pretty demoralizing honestly.

Civil War does that, and some yankees keeping the profound disdain long afterwards doesn’t help.

 

[pwnest injun]

Only good if it's possible to get all that stuff for most people, though.

You mean soap and water, a piece of clear plastic and a piece of cloth? That's quite an ask...

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Pending the replication and peer review of a study that came out of Stanford University, it's possible that the infection rate for for the Wu-Ping Cough might be 50 to 80 times higher than we previously thought. In the county of around 2,000,000 residents where this test was taken they “found that 2.5 to 4.2% of those tested were positive for antibodies — a number suggesting a far higher past infection rate than the official count."

This would mean that there could potentially be around 48,000 to 81,000 infected people in that county, even though the county only has 958 reported cases. The concept of "it's just a flu bro" could be much closer to reality than people might have thought, if their study of around 3,300 people came back with a 2.5 to 4.2% presence of antibodies. This would mean that the mortality rate is significantly lower than all of the models had been pushing out the door, and puts it right next door to a fairly rough flu season.

Well, technically, it is a very rough flu season.
My point was: Even when we find out that the mortality rate was comparatively low, since only very few cases went so bad, they needed respiration, we'd still have ended up with places like Italy and Spain, that were hit so hard so quickly, that they had to use Triage.
Or, to put it differently: Despite the large possibility, that the mortality rate was lower than feared, the effects still justified lockdowns. To argue that it's just the flu like we've seen hundreds of times, is kinda moot, since I don't remember people dying like they did in Lombardy and Bergamo.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Bill De Blasio urges New Yorkers to snitch on their neighbors.

De Blasio urges New Yorkers to snitch on social distance rule breakers

“New Yorkers, you are being extraordinary at social distancing,” de Blasio said in a video released on Twitter. “But we still know there’s some people that need to get the m…

nypost.com

http://archive.li/wip/0Mlta

That's really stupid, you are just asking to get kill.

Everyone's doing a variation of this:

Including me

 

[heathercho]

Well, technically, it is a very rough flu season.
My point was: Even when we find out that the mortality rate was comparatively low, since only very few cases went so bad, they needed respiration, we'd still have ended up with places like Italy and Spain, that were hit so hard so quickly, that they had to use Triage.
Or, to put it differently: Despite the large possibility, that the mortality rate was lower than feared, the effects still justified lockdowns. To argue that it's just the flu like we've seen hundreds of times, is kinda moot, since I don't remember people dying like they did in Lombardy and Bergamo.

Except, there's talk coming out of both Spain and Italy, that more people were dying WITH Covid-19 than OF it.
When you tag every death, period, from COVID-19 over a rational, slow approach, of evaluating each death individually, which this current situation can't do, is it fair to add them to the numbers?

There's also demographic issues concerning Italy and Spain. The notion that lockdowns hurt rather than helped, forcing multi-generation families into small spaces together.
All that must be considered before anyone can make sweeping statements.

Not to mention - death by flu, in most countries, is massively under categorized and as we know, death from flu doesn't get this much fanfare.

I understand the approach that Coronavirus is much more "deadly", or that it's novel we must tread carefully, but as we can see from the US, there IS over reporting of Covid-19 being the cause of death, when it's assumed and not confirmed.
That's intellectually dishonest and stacking the tables in favour of an outcome.

Considering a lot of "experts" via the media, are being caught out being dishonest to sway public opinion for influence and political bias, it's perfectly reasonable to question the logic of shut downs, official death tolls and how long this virus has been in the population. China may be downplaying their death tolls, whilst the west has over played them. Both are worthy of scrutiny.

A good flu season sees Italy hover at about 13,823 actually classified influenza/pneumonia deaths p/a.
The Italian death toll stands at about 23,227 for Covid-19. Now, even if we're generous and offer leeway on both, this is reasonably comparable. It's not outside odds. https://archive.vn/G0Fz7

Not to mention the demographics relating to who it's killed in Italy. Remember all that "It's wiping out young people" stuff? Not so much.

And none of this is taking into account the fact that it has a much, much higher case occurrence than is currently being shown. The Stanford study et al have found it's much more widely spread in the community than what's been tested.

 

[Rudy Russo]

Outside China

2,247,295 confirmed / 156,316 dead / 520,937 recovered

2156431 / 149186 / 490791 yesterday

Iran

80,329 confirmed / 5031 dead / 55,987 recovered

79494 / 4958 / 54064 yesterday

735,287 confirmed / 39,090 dead / 66,819 recovered JohnHopkins
742,067 confirmed / 39,174 dead / 66,819 recovered Infection2020

699706 / 36822 / 58587 yesterday JohnHopkins
707576 / 32596 / 58587 yesterday Infection2020

Spain

194,416 confirmed / 20,639 dead / 74,797 recovered

190839 / 20002 / 74797 yesterday

Italy

175,925 confirmed / 23,227 dead / 44,927 recovered

172434 / 22745 / 42727 yesterday

France

152,978 confirmed / 19,349 dead / 36,588 recovered

149130 / 18703 / 35006 yesterday

Germany

143,724 confirmed / 4,538 dead / 88,000 recovered

141397 / 4352 / 83114 yesterday


Spain recovered number same for third day in a row.

 

[Absolute Brainlet]

Kazakh update: STILL doing better than you
1661 cases, 382 recoveries, 17 deaths.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Morning news. There are no news. This is great news. We'll see when the data comes out but everything seems normal enough, honestly, the economy reopening has been far less impactful than we expected.

Outside China

2,247,295 confirmed / 156,316 dead / 520,937 recovered

2156431 / 149186 / 490791 yesterday

Iran

80,329 confirmed / 5031 dead / 55,987 recovered

79494 / 4958 / 54064 yesterday

735,287 confirmed / 39,090 dead / 66,819 recovered JohnHopkins
742,067 confirmed / 39,174 dead / 66,819 recovered Infection2020

699706 / 36822 / 58587 yesterday JohnHopkins
707576 / 32596 / 58587 yesterday Infection2020

Spain

194,416 confirmed / 20,639 dead / 74,797 recovered

190839 / 20002 / 74797 yesterday

Italy

175,925 confirmed / 23,227 dead / 44,927 recovered

172434 / 22745 / 42727 yesterday

France

152,978 confirmed / 19,349 dead / 36,588 recovered

149130 / 18703 / 35006 yesterday

Germany

143,724 confirmed / 4,538 dead / 88,000 recovered

141397 / 4352 / 83114 yesterday


Spain recovered number same for third day in a row.

Spain numbers in general suck dick. Numbers in red: https://covid19.isciii.es/ I have no effing clue where they got theirs but it sure as shit ain't official. I should go back and check prior posts, till now I tended to ignore spain for obvious reasons but that sucks. Btw that link's the official gov site that updates dayly so if you want the real intel whoop there it is. Makes me question everything else honestly.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Except, there's talk coming out of both Spain and Italy, that more people were dying WITH Covid-19 than OF it.
When you tag every death, period, from COVID-19 over a rational, slow approach, of evaluating each death individually, which this current situation can't do, is it fair to add them to the numbers?

Sure. But we still see an obvious increase in deaths far above the average, that's my point.

 

[heathercho]

Kazakh update: STILL doing better than you
1661 cases, 382 recoveries, 17 deaths.

Another BCG Vaccine country. What a surprise.

Sure. But we still see an obvious increase in deaths far above the average, that's my point.

A small nudge of deaths is an awfully autistic reason to lie, manipulate and destroy countries economies wholesale, in the name of "science" though.
But we're also living in a time when "science" is cut your dick off and down a bottle of horse piss hormones and you'll be a sexy lady.

 

[Absolute Brainlet]

Another BCG Vaccine country. What a surprise.

>WHO
Let me guess, they're full of shit and it actually works.

 

[Rudy Russo]

This is based on what I've seen around here, but it probably applies in a lot of places in the U.S.


2. Not a lot of follow up with non-hospitalized cases. If you test positive and go home and recover it's not like they give you a call and are like "did you get better? Did you die?". People at my work who tested positive and are now feeling better want to return to work, but they need to get proof they're clear and they've been having a hard time getting access to the two tests they need to be considered recovered, which goes into the next point--

See, that right there is one of the biggest problems of this whole mess. Everyone who they know that has this needs to be followed up on if they recovered also maybe 6 to 12 months down the road or longer. We need to see the long term effects. Maybe someone recovers and got heart damage (or something else) they didnt know about from the virus and instead of getting that info its lost. Same with how long it take someone to get back to full 100%. Maybe theres different long term effect for different races or sexes. Its stupid if we're not doing it and it sure does look like we're not.

 

[Exbein]

flipland quick update:
So, regarding the documentary, I risk another strike on my youtube channel and face deletion, so I am re-uploading the video with subtitles. Just go to the options and choose subtitles > English

So, here it is, the documentary "Ako si Patient PH2828 (I am Patient PH282" with English subtitles.

 

[Radical Cadre]

One of the real failures, I think, has been the lack of an emergency safety net; 1200$ only goes so far, and few Americans have the saving to tank months of quarentine. Of course they will get desperate and decide that working is more important than risking death; They might starve at the rate their savings are eaten through, if they even have savings in the first place.

Agree 100% with you on the emergency safety net. But did we really think that our betters were going to be able to come up with said safety net? Both sides were opportunistic fucks about it and now they're all on fucking "vacation" while the rest of us are locked in our houses bleeding our savings (if we're lucky). Makes you wonder if it was all by design.

In summation: murder elected officials in the United States.

 

[Vajze Shqiptare]

Starting in January, like many people here, I sperged out about how bad this was. That was when I thought based on given information that it might realistically overload the hospital system, kill 2 to 4% of the US population or 2 million people, cause 20% of people to need to be hospitalized, and cause severe pneumonia in even mild cases.

Now I think the death toll is less than 1% based on more information, we've seen the healthcare systems don't get overloaded at all, the number of people who need to be hospitalized with all the uncounted cases is way lower than 20%, and most people don't even get symptoms, I think I oversperged.

I'm kind of tired of this now that Bill Gates wants to be global dictator, they want to administer an experimental vaccine to the whole world, and shut down society for two years.

 

[remiem]

Another BCG Vaccine country. What a surprise.



A small nudge of deaths is an awfully autistic reason to lie, manipulate and destroy countries economies wholesale, in the name of "science" though.
But we're also living in a time when "science" is cut your dick off and down a bottle of horse piss hormones and you'll be a sexy lady.

The thing I don't get about the vaccine thing there is that if it's a safe vaccine then there's literally no downside in administrating it to populations. At all. It's not like it's something that needs testing to prove it's safe, it's already been done. If it does nothing to Covid it does nothing, but on the off chance it does hinder the progression then that's a great thing and it should be tried. Instead of stating that 'we don't know and as such there's no reason to believe it may, believe us'. If there's no downside, really, then why not- it's another already tested thing that could possible stick but instead the WHO just twiddles it's thumbs. This is some kinda bullshit.

 

[Vajze Shqiptare]

The thing I don't get about the vaccine thing there is that if it's a safe vaccine then there's literally no downside in administrating it to populations. At all. It's not like it's something that needs testing to prove it's safe, it's already been done. If it does nothing to Covid it does nothing, but on the off chance it does hinder the progression then that's a great thing and it should be tried. Instead of stating that 'we don't know and as such there's no reason to believe it may, believe us'. If there's no downside, really, then why not- it's another already tested thing that could possible stick but instead the WHO just twiddles it's thumbs. This is some kinda bullshit.

I have a lot of hope for this now that the WHO seems incensed. Whenever they say something the exact opposite is true!

Edit: Pro-hydroxycloroquine study

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3575899

Another pro study

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-0315-4

Study finds it helps symptoms

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.10.20060558v1

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

I've learned today, that telling women to wear masks for going to the store is rape. Also the patriarchy, which is totally real thing, should do more to protect wahmen, but this would also be - you guessed it - rape.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

>WHO
Let me guess, they're full of shit and it actually works.

I guess the WHO might be behind that article? https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...us-patients-in-controlled-studies/ar-BB12O60W

http://archive.vn/OYjtH

Chloroquine and its close relative hydroxychloroquine offered signs that they may ease some of the hallmark symptoms of coronavirus infection in patients who were hospitalized with COVID-19. But the drugs largely failed to deliver improvements on other key measures when evaluated in rigorous research studies.

In research done in France, hydroxychloroquine reduced neither deaths nor admissions to intensive care units among patients who received it. In a study conducted in China and another in Brazil, the two drugs failed to help patients clear the coronavirus faster.

And in Brazil, two deaths and a rash of heart troubles among patients who got a high dose of chloroquine prompted a hasty alteration of the trial there after just 13 days. Concluding that “enough red flags” had been raised, the researchers halted testing of the drug in its extra-strength form.

“My own impression so far is that these medications are a colossal ‘Maybe,’” said Dr. Michael H. Pillinger, a professor of medicine at New York University and chief of rheumatology at the Veterans Affairs’ New York Harbor Healthcare System.

“Is there enough possible benefit that we could use these on a wing and prayer until something better comes along? I’m underwhelmed” by the evidence for that, Pillinger said.

 

[Otterly]

The thing I don't get about the vaccine thing there is that if it's a safe vaccine then there's literally no downside in administrating it to populations. At all.

I’m generally very pro vaccine. However: IF it’s safe. Safety testing is usually a process that takes time, simply because you can’t see all possible side effects straight away. Typical clinical trials take years, in order to see those effects and use enough people to see rarer effects.
The vaccines we’ve had for years are really safe - BUT they’ve been well tested and we have post-approval testing on millions of people. I have zero issue taking those.
What can happen if you skip the safety steps is you either miss a common effect because you didn’t run the trial for long enough, or you miss a rarer effect because you didn’t use enough people. Or you miss a age dependent effect or an effect in a population group. A few hundred dosed and followed for a Few months is getting into very sketchy territory.
The swine flu vaccine was linked to an increased incidence of narcolepsy in those dosed for example. The actual link is difficult to tease out because The flu itself Seemed to increase risk as well, but the vaccine did seem to increase risk.
The SARS vaccine caused immune enhancement in animal models as well.
Some vaccine types are less prone to this than others. There is going to be intense pressure to get the vaccine out as quickly LH as possible.

Tl:dr. Vaccines are very, very good things for human health BUT you cannot skip the safety testing. Not on any drug or device or vaccine.

Edited to add I just realised you’re talking about BCG. So ignore the above and yeah, let’s get that rolled. Initials or boosters for all.