Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[EmuWarsVeteran]

And now I'm starting to miss when everyone was pantsshittingly scared of corona. I might explain tonight the ball of utter bollocks that just landed on our lap with the turns bullshit from the cleaners of Zona Franca and their fights. It's ridiculous as all hell. But it's honestly the usual kinda shit that gets the unions to have to intervene even though it's bullshit. Ah the good old days, when people were too scared of the airborne chinkaids to be this stupid. Fucking hell nostalgia's a hell of a drug.

EDIT: Point is. We really have gone back to normal. If the hospital had real issues we would not be getting in the petty bullshit turn related fights, I'd say shit's ok af at this point. You know despite the 500 daily deaths.

The thing I don't get about the vaccine thing there is that if it's a safe vaccine then there's literally no downside in administrating it to populations. At all. It's not like it's something that needs testing to prove it's safe, it's already been done. If it does nothing to Covid it does nothing, but on the off chance it does hinder the progression then that's a great thing and it should be tried. Instead of stating that 'we don't know and as such there's no reason to believe it may, believe us'. If there's no downside, really, then why not- it's another already tested thing that could possible stick but instead the WHO just twiddles it's thumbs. This is some kinda bullshit.

It's not actually that safe. Here's a list of side effects: https://www.drugs.com/sfx/bcg-side-effects.html
You might notice many of them are common with corona. This is because this vaccine's biggest issue is it causes a fuckhuge immune reaction compared with most vaccines, hence why it leaves a scar. That's some fairly severe side effects for a vaccine.

This is why so many countries abandoned it. It's necessary for countries with actual TB risk, for the safer ones it causes more issues than it fixes. It's an old vaccine not one of the new gen safe ones. Adding this to populations with corona issues would be cytokine storm hell.

 

[Radical Cadre]

I've learned today, that telling women to wear masks for going to the store is rape. Also the patriarchy, which is totally real thing, should do more to protect wahmen.

Smile more, sweetheart.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Yoooo ISCIII numbers got updated and if they're not corrected it would mean we're finally on the 400 deaths club! Yaya! (Reminder, numbers in red here https://covid19.isciii.es/ )

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

Informative, but no real surprise, if you've been here for a while. We saw pretty much this coming.

https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/coronavirus-russia-economy/

https://archive.vn/nldMD

One of the things that the Event 201 simulation predicted last fall was that if this goes on a long enough time, there will be massive unrest and goverments/political systems would fall. They were wrong about how to handle it, but right about quite a few things.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

One of the things that the Event 201 simulation predicted last fall was that if this goes on a long enough time, there will be massive unrest and goverments/political systems would fall. They were wrong about how to handle it, but right about quite a few things.

The predictions were made by scientists, the measures to take by politicians. One of this two groups is competent. The other isn't. Learn the difference. Not knowing it is how you get the CCP.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Honestly I think the "numbers" are bullshit and have been bullshit since the beginning speculating on inaccurate numbers isn't gonna help anyone make a good and informed decision on weather to stay on lock down or lifting it. That being said everyone still seems to be hung up on deaths being the thing that scientists and governments are most concerned about but like I said in a previous post do they know for certain that this virus will not cause long term illness or disease.

Like for example a year from now people who got covid-19 show up to the doctor with similar symptoms only to find out the initial infection has progressed into some sort of life long disease?

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Honestly I think the "numbers" are bullshit and have been bullshit since the beginning speculating on inaccurate numbers isn't gonna help anyone make a good and informed decision on weather to stay on lock down or lifting it. That being said everyone still seems to be hung up on deaths being the thing that scientists and governments are most concerned about but like I said in a previous post do they know for certain that this virus will not cause long term illness or disease.

Like for example a year from now people who got covid-19 show up to the doctor with similar symptoms only to find out the initial infection has progressed into some sort of life long disease?

It. Is. A. Fucking. Coronavirus. It's a pneumonia virus. Other than scarred lung tissue, citokine storm side effects and other scars in the case of ventilator patients it leaves nothing more. Relax it's not q fucking superplague. We've analyzed it's genotype, we've analyzed it's fenotype, we've anqlyzed it's effects on the population. Fuck using only the ISCIII stuff they alone have done in a this small amount of time what china hasn't in years of coronavirus epidemics. Which btw, china eat your fucking heart out. But that's before we take into account the studies of the brits, germans, burgerlanders, fucking east europe, north, it's been a fooking free for all! We know more than enough that we can discard that shit.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Novel virus emerges experts repeatedly use terms like maybe, probably, uncertain, possibly and unknown when describing the virus.

Novel virus emerges person on internet says its a coronavirus therefore its not a big deal relax we analyzed it and its more then enough to write it off as not a big deal.

hmmmm who is being more honest?

 

[Never Scored]

Starting in January, like many people here, I sperged out about how bad this was. That was when I thought based on given information that it might realistically overload the hospital system, kill 2 to 4% of the US population or 2 million people, cause 20% of people to need to be hospitalized, and cause severe pneumonia in even mild cases.

Now I think the death toll is less than 1% based on more information, we've seen the healthcare systems don't get overloaded at all, the number of people who need to be hospitalized with all the uncounted cases is way lower than 20%, and most people don't even get symptoms, I think I oversperged.

Same man. I took the numbers out of China at face value. I hadn't considered that most people might be totally asymptomatic. Even if you take the number of 35-50% of people are asymptomatic which has been shown by a number of studies and is even accepted by the mainstream media now. We know the virus hits older people and people with underlying health conditions harder, so I assume the majority of that 35-50% who are totally asymptomatic consists primarily of people under 50 with no health conditions. It paints a picture of virus that hospitalizes a statistically insignificant of healthy people under 50.

Before someone has a spregout, that doesn't mean no one under 50 who is healthy gets hospitalized and dies. It does mean the hospitalization rate for people under 50 with no underlying conditions is extremely low, and the death rate is a fraction of a percent. Look here of the 309 deaths between 18-44 in NYC, 244 had an underlying health condition. That's nearly 80%. So when they say the death rate for people under 50 is 0.2-0.4% this includes that 80% with underlying health conditions. If you are healthy and 30 years old you're not dying, dude.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

It. Is. A. Fucking. Coronavirus. It's a pneumonia virus. Other than scarred lung tissue, citokine storm side effects and other scars in the case of ventilator patients it leaves nothing more. Relax it's not q fucking superplague. We've analyzed it's genotype, we've analyzed it's fenotype, we've anqlyzed it's effects on the population. Fuck using only the ISCIII stuff they alone have done in a this small amount of time what china hasn't in years of coronavirus epidemics. Which btw, china eat your fucking heart out. But that's before we take into account the studies of the brits, germans, burgerlanders, fucking east europe, north, it's been a fooking free for all! We know more than enough that we can discard that shit.

Its not just a flu, ITS BAT AIDS BRO!

Better to starve to death hiding under our beds than risk needing to take medication for BAT AIDS

 

[MidUSA]

162k dead now officially (I know, lol-China numbers).

So this far, over the span of what 3 months? We officially have had one additional day's worth of global deaths due to this virus.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Novel virus emerges experts repeatedly use terms like maybe, probably, uncertain, possibly and unknown when describing the virus.

Novel virus emerges person on internet says its a coronavirus therefore its not a big deal relax we analyzed it and its more then enough to write it off as not a big deal.

hmmmm who is being more honest?

They ALWAYS use those fucking terms that's basic procedure, you never talk with 100% certainty during scientific studies until sufficient corroboration by independent labs. You literally just used the same fucking argument as the god damned creationists so do the world a favor and end the waste of oxygen that is your existance because clearly we as a aociety have failed at teaching you basic reasoning and the damage is now irreparable.

 

[Disheveled Human]

They ALWAYS use those fucking terms that's basic procedure, you never talk with 100% certainty during scientific studies until sufficient corroboration by independent labs. You literally just used the same fucking argument as the god damned creationists so do the world a favor and end the waste of oxygen that is your existance because clearly we as a aociety have failed at teaching you basic reasoning and the damage is now irreparable.

So they are not 100% certain got it. The guy on the internet is. I trust the guy on the internet he knows more

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

so they are not 100% certain got it.

That. That right there has to be the most antiscientific statement I have ever had the displeasure of witnesing.

 

[Never Scored]

So they are not 100% certain got it. The guy on the internet is. I trust the guy on the internet he knows more

Don't trust sensationalist news stories about some obscure study. Only trust objective numbers. They are the only thing that tell the truth. Unfortunately until we have more widespread testing and antibody testing, we only have a partial version of the truth. The news can take the number and spin them any way they want. You need to look at numbers yourself.

If you looked at the numbers, thought about them, you're under 50 and healthy and you're still scared of your kidneys falling out, you are completely retarded.

 

[Disheveled Human]

That. That right there has to be the most antiscientific statement I have ever had the displeasure of witnesing.

It. Is. A. Fucking. Coronavirus. It's a pneumonia virus. Other than scarred lung tissue, citokine storm side effects and other scars in the case of ventilator patients it leaves nothing more. Relax it's not q fucking superplague. We've analyzed it's genotype, we've analyzed it's fenotype, we've anqlyzed it's effects on the population. Fuck using only the ISCIII stuff they alone have done in a this small amount of time what china hasn't in years of coronavirus epidemics. Which btw, china eat your fucking heart out. But that's before we take into account the studies of the brits, germans, burgerlanders, fucking east europe, north, it's been a fooking free for all! We know more than enough that we can discard that shit.

You completely missed my point you speak as if you know for certain then you are admitting you do not in fact know for certain, by saying its not a big deal and we know more than enough and that we can discard the idea this has no baggage associated with it and we are in the clear.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

So they are not 100% certain got it. The guy on the internet is. I trust the guy on the internet he knows more

The guy on the internet explained what they mean; not that he is 100% certain.

You are pretty much saying the government should keep enforcing policies which are fucking over the economy and making people go hungry just because in light of the low mortality rate, you are now scared of the <1% chance that COVID might cause long-lasting issues.

News flash: So does starvation/malnutrition

 

[Disheveled Human]

The guy on the internet explained what they mean; not that he is 100% certain.

You are pretty much saying the government should keep enforcing policies which are fucking over the economy and making people go hungry just because in light of the low mortality rate, you are now scared of the <1% chance that COVID might cause long-lasting issues.

News flash: So does starvation/malnutrition

The entire world is shut down at great cost to everyone governments, included. I cannot think this is just a flu there is clearly more to it then that, all they are saying is to stay home it is obviously a serious issue. Imagine thinking governments do not want people to get back to slaving away.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

You completely missed my point you speak as if you know for certain then you are admitting you do not in fact know for certain, by saying its not a big deal and we know more than enough and that we can discard the idea this has no baggage associated with it and we are in the clear.

Ok. Let me try to very, very slowly explain this to you. If I was making a scientific study, I would not be talking with certainty. Because scientific studies HAVE to ALWAYS leave a door open to total catastrophic failure on evidence gathering. Scientists only start taking something for granted when said studies are reiterative and corroborate each other, then we can know we did not fuck up on evidence gathering.

But that doesn't mean those experts aren't certain about side effects. We DO have enough studies to know as much for certain. I linked as much on a prior post, and I am in contact with one of said experts from whom I've leaked intel here on the earlier part of the thread. I also know the hospitals are not recording any such issue, because I help in one, and have leaked intel from it before. And I can tell you for certain if the experts actually had any doubts about that, they would be a LOT more vocal about it. And I also both have had the disease and live with people that have had it too. And I know I haven't noticed ANYTHING.

But that doesn't mean I'm allowed to talk "with certainty" on a study, because studies need to leave a door open ALWAYS. Because in science we need to avoid that sort of thinking, we need to stay open to being bitchslapped by reality, no matter how remote the possibility is. That doesn't mean we're not certain. You'll find such language in ALL studies from ALL disciplines. It doesn't mean shit in practice.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

The entire world is shut down at great cost to everyone governments, included. I cannot think this is just a flu there is clearly more to it then that, all they are saying is to stay home it is obviously a serious issue. Imagine thinking governments do not want people to get back to slaving away.

They have roughly the same amount of information about the pathology virus we do.
We here definitely know more about the virus now than they did when the lock-down went into effect.

"Because the government is doing it" isn't exactly a winning argument in this this case.