Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[loretta_k]

In case it wasn't observed yet, Chloe deleted her latest insta video where she's crying and dumping team piñata.

 

[Dyn]

I think it's morally wrong to fuck children.

 

[CatParty]

Drawing cp is the same as raping a child

 

[Ismellbullshit]

If she can't handle that, chances are she couldn't handle going through the welfare system properly, not if she had the bank of Mum and Dad to fall back on anyway.

Unfortunately it only takes around 15 minutes in the UK to apply for welfare. If it's for a medical reason then they tend to make you go in for an assessment in addition to your application. But mental health is hard to see in most cases so it's pretty easy to fake. Thats why the system is so dire in this country because they hand out P.I.P to anyone with depression.

Even if she didn't claim it for DID. Most UK doctors will happily sign off on the CFS just to get the person to stop clogging up their waiting room. You can still use the NHS for free even if you also pay private. So it's likely she definitely tried. I'm just interested in the refusal. It honestly speaks volumes to all of her "official" claims.

 

[Lieileen]

Unfortunately it only takes around 15 minutes in the UK to apply for welfare. If it's for a medical reason then they tend to make you go in for an assessment in addition to your application. But mental health is hard to see in most cases so it's pretty easy to fake. Thats why the system is so dire in this country because they hand out P.I.P to anyone with depression.

Even if she didn't claim it for DID. Most UK doctors will happily sign off on the CFS just to get the person to stop clogging up their waiting room. You can still use the NHS for free even if you also pay private. So it's likely she definitely tried. I'm just interested in the refusal. It honestly speaks volumes to all of her "official" claims.

You don’t sound very objective on this topic.

The DWP unfairly reject a lot of PIP applications as well as appeals and then proceed to lose most of those in court.

Not that I actually want to defend her, but her refusal doesn’t speak volumes at all actually.

 

[Supreme Autist]

You don’t sound very objective on this topic.

The DWP unfairly reject a lot of PIP applications as well as appeals and then proceed to lose most of those in court.

Not that I actually want to defend her, but her refusal doesn’t speak volumes at all actually.

Also Europe including UK uses ICD instead of DSM. Remy gives recommendations/diagnoses based on DSM which is an american thing and basically useless in uk.

With regards to benefits as a pro sperg can confirm it can be long and hard to apply for some. There is PIP but there is also ESA. ESA is where you are so retarded you have limited or no capacity to work. PIP istead is just daily living issues independent of it's impact on employment.

Either way it's a lot of paperwork. Diagnosis alone means nothing u have to prove it's impact on your daily life.

edit: Also recently Universal Credit started replacing some benefits: 'Income based means based on you previous income/tax contributions'
-Housing Benefit.
-income-related Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
-income-based Jobseeker's Allowance (JSA)
-Child Tax Credit.
-Working Tax Credit.
-Income Support.

 

[DissociaDONT]

Where did you get this information?

When Grandad's Lounge called Pottergate, they stated that they did not provide any diagnosis, but gave recommendations that could be verified by a psychiatrist.



If you read through the replies, a clinician in the UK stated that this is not the process, that the psychiatrist would not simply "stamp" anything. She stated that the psychiatrist would do their own assessment for a diagnosis and that Pottergate's assessment wouldn't mean much outside of Pottergate itself.

Had to wade through my old posts. This is what I was thinking of:

"Two assessments are undertaken: the SCIDD with myself and the psychiatric assessment with my colleague, William Hughes, who is a consultant psychiatrist. He will have received all the relevant medical notes fromthe services as his role is to identify the primary diagnosis. "


"The assessments are done jointly by myself and a psychiatrist colleague. The involvement of a psychiatrist firstly gives the report more credence. He can really establish whether this is the primary diagnosis, as often people will have multiple diagnoses, especially those who have been in the system for 15 years or so. "

And then there were the testimonials from Chloe and people who had also gone there. So, still an assessment, but one that's been approved by a psychiatrist colleague. NGL, I'm still real murky on how these things work in the UK.

 

[Supreme Autist]

Had to wade through my old posts. This is what I was thinking of:

"Two assessments are undertaken: the SCIDD with myself and the psychiatric assessment with my colleague, William Hughes, who is a consultant psychiatrist. He will have received all the relevant medical notes fromthe services as his role is to identify the primary diagnosis. "
"The assessments are done jointly by myself and a psychiatrist colleague. The involvement of a psychiatrist firstly gives the report more credence. He can really establish whether this is the primary diagnosis, as often people will have multiple diagnoses, especially those who have been in the system for 15 years or so. "

And then there were the testimonials from Chloe and people who had also gone there. So, still an assessment, but one that's been approved by a psychiatrist colleague. NGL, I'm still real murky on how these things work in the UK.

from the above article: 'Highlights'
--"The psychoanalytic training schools were, and have continued to be, virtually all in the private nonmedical sector"
--"Furthermore, there is still no statutory registration required in order to practice psychotherapy or counselling. Anyone can still call themselves a therapist and practice psychotherapy"

 

[Ohnohalp]

Wasn't going to post on here since it seems to be filled to the brim with plebs but here I am.

I can actually comment on the PIP, and how hard it is to get. Not a DWP assessor, but I am a nurse, so I have some/a lot/ of insight into what they look for/at when considering PIP. It's all about your ADL's (activities of daily living; mobility, communication, how you eat and drink, ect ect), and unless your basically unable to move without either extensive help from another person or aid, or you have extensive difficulties in any of the ADL's, its very very difficult and time consuming to get PIP.

Anyway thats all I came here to say. See ya loosers.

 

[comrade666]

Huh, seems I had more to say than I thought. In conclusion, Chloe is a malingering nutjob and I would not have sex with her.

That's a perfect summary - at this stage we can close the thread, surely?

There was some murmuring about Nan messing around with minors online but it was okay because one of her "underage alters" was doing it. I know that I personally posted about how Nan's fans were literally defending child pornography to her detractors, which is not the same as saying Nan is creating child pornography. I'm not in a position to enumerate the creepy things Nan has done including creating erotic art/fic about underage people she knows IRL... @comrade666 would have more details on this but if you care enough to whine about Nan getting labeled a pedophile then read the thread yourself, don't come in here demanding to be spoonfed and countering arguments that I don't see anyone making, presently.

I do think it's an exaggeration to say that people have their pitchforks out and are making a big deal about Nan being a clear and present danger to children and producing CP. If you see someone being that extra in this thread, report it. This thread blew up extremely quickly.

So, to acknowledge this point, there have been some rumours that I can't yet verify. I've been skimming the comments on DIDtubers social media and sitting in on a handful of livestreams when I get the chance. There is a lot of speculation amongst former fans and the DID community as a whole. But unless any alleged victim opts to speak publicly then these rumours remain unfounded and I won't take the word of The Sparkle Sunshine Bitch System who heard from a friend that Nan did this or that... etc.

I have further avenues to explore in terms of her commissions and her private work via SFF and I am keeping an eye on social media should events develop further. But for the time being, the only hard facts we have are the artwork and the behaviours we've observed and presented here.

For the time being, I know only for certain what I've presented here in thread. To call Nan a definite pedophile at this stage is hyperbolic and any reference I've made should still be considered hyperbole or speculative for the time being. If I find any hard proof that she has moved beyond art, roleplay, or having sex with teenage alters in adult bodies, then I'll let you all know.

In my personal opinion, her behaviour is indicative of some attraction to children and she certainly seems to be aroused by the thought of minors - she made that perfectly clear in her blog posts across various platforms. Personally, I don't see why else she would have drawn that type of art. But her activity thus far has remained fantasy to my knowledge.

The only exception to this being when she deliberately and knowingly shared sneeze content with her audience who did not know that they were partaking in her fetish by watching her videos, commenting on her pictures, or discussing sneezing and sickness with her without knowing that was the only thing that aroused her. That is, in my opinion, somewhat predatory particularly considering that her audience are young and/or vulnerable.

 

[DissociaDONT]

Is it still all right to post the community's reaction to the drama in here

Spoiler: Alters weighing in on the Nan situation.

I've happened upon some of her videos in the past, and her "switches" are just incredible.

 

[Cooking Mama]

Honestly, as a nonce who age slides and has littles and had a fiancé who also age slides and has littles and as someone who draws minors a lot, why are children a trigger for Nan?



Why even bother pretending to have that as a trigger at all? I suppose they could have done it to try and hide something, which was my first suspicion when learning of this “trigger”.

 

[heterotic]

And then there were the testimonials from Chloe and people who had also gone there. So, still an assessment, but one that's been approved by a psychiatrist colleague. NGL, I'm still real murky on how these things work in the UK.

Chloe stated that she was diagnosed by "Dr. Remy Aquarone" who is not a doctor, so I take her testimonial with a grain of salt.

As For Dr. William Hughes, the original document with Remy was from 2005, and the blog post is from 2013. In researching Dr. Hughes, he does not list any dissociative disorders in scope of practice, and I found several articles and studies citing him as believing treating DID as PTSD was the only effective way to treat it (including with pharmaceuticals).

Given that Remy is quite outspoken about believing that integration should only be a goal if it is that of a patient, and that disorganized attachment is the primary cause of DID (and that trauma isn't even necessary), it feels like a safe assumption that they parted ways prior to Chloe's visit to Pottergate. The fee at the time of the blog post citing Dr. Hughes as the consulting psychiatrist was £1200, and it is now £600. According to someone who responded to Chloe who works with the NHS (and I believe someone in this thread, too), they would have to pay another £600 to be evaluated by a psychiatrist with Remy's assessment, so they are paying twice for the same thing they could have gotten by just going to a psychiatrist in the first place. It lines up that the fee is now half of what it was without the consulting psychiatrist.

It would be nice to know how the prevalence numbers have shifted since Dr. Hughes was no longer consulting for Remy.

 

[Gramh]

It would be even nicer to know Remy's motivation in tossing around DID diagnoses like candy and confirming Tumblr symptoms outside of just money which I can't see as a prime motivating factor but it could possibly be I don't know how his rates conform to UK standards.

 

[heavycream]

Also Europe including UK uses ICD instead of DSM. Remy gives recommendations/diagnoses based on DSM which is an american thing and basically useless in uk.

DSM is used here for assessing individual differences and categorising participants for research purposes, while ICD is strictly diagnostic.

My hunch is that diversion (and paying extra) to get your Dx via Remy adds authority to potentially 'sketchy'/uncertain cases.

 

[heterotic]

Huh, I edited my post with a Wiki link on it and you're right, its pretty muddy at best in the US. Regardless, literally only pedo's produce and look at that disgusting shit whether its illegal in your country or not.

The federal legal definition of CP in the US includes cartoons/illustrated depictions of minors, so it can be, and has been, used in federal CP cases. In the US, states are similar to countries in EU. Only California, specifically, has precedence that makes it legal (the case law citing that it is unconstitutional to include depictions of fictional minors in the definition of CP under the freedom of speech ). There's a growing list of states that have precedence for it being illegal (along with a bunch of pedophiles arguing "me free speech!!"). In every other state there isn't a precedence, but on a federal level, it's illegal, so you're really rolling the dice and the odds aren't great. If you do something that crosses state lines, like distributing it to minors online, that's federal jurisdiction.

 

[comrade666]

Having finished reading the book @Lurk so generously provided, I’m even more disgusted by “switches” like this and the idea that anyone would choose to LARP this condition. It’s worth a read if you’ve got the stomach for it because it truly shows how childhood trauma can affect a person.

Personally couldn't get through it. I skimmed briefly, but any sort of graphic description is where I tend to tap out. I've watched the rest of the documentary though and it just raises the question how could anyone come out of that level of abuse with the level of functioning Chloe has? Within a year of obtaining her diagnosis she was already acting as an advocate and educator. It seems as if it took Helen years to reach a point where she was able to function in day to day life, let alone step up and dedicate her life to advocacy. Either Chloe is a miracle patient who needs to be studied or she's a liar.

 

[Shrryph1]

The federal legal definition of CP in the US includes cartoons/illustrated depictions of minors, so it can be, and has been, used in federal CP cases. In the US, states are similar to countries in EU. Only California, specifically, has precedence that makes it legal (the case law citing that it is unconstitutional to include depictions of fictional minors in the definition of CP under the freedom of speech ). There's a growing list of states that have precedence for it being illegal (along with a bunch of pedophiles arguing "me free speech!!"). In every other state there isn't a precedence, but on a federal level, it's illegal, so you're really rolling the dice and the odds aren't great. If you do something that crosses state lines, like distributing it to minors online, that's federal jurisdiction.

I think something like drawn images fall under artistic self-expression. The same reason it’s not illegal to read explicit fiction involving minor characters. It’s not illegal, but the behavior is troubling. I’m more worried about her sickness kink than I am expressing her unhealthy relationship with childhood in fetish cartoon characters.
And

And the exhibitionism of her fetish. That’s the part that bothers me the most. People believed things like “the body’s immune system sucks” and “we’re sick all the time.” Which was a pretty standard focal point of her YT channel. Playing on sympathetic, casual viewers for money and hits when they actually believed she was ill, and that it wasn’t audience manipulation for her kink is just shameful.

 

[Carlos the Scientist]

Personally couldn't get through it. I skimmed briefly, but any sort of graphic description is where I tend to tap out. I've watched the rest of the documentary though and it just raises the question how could anyone come out of that level of abuse with the level of functioning Chloe has? Within a year of obtaining her diagnosis she was already acting as an advocate and educator. It seems as if it took Helen years to reach a point where she was able to function in day to day life, let alone step up and dedicate her life to advocacy. Either Chloe is a miracle patient who needs to be studied or she's a liar.

I think this has been mentioned in the thread already, but skimming that book made it more glaringly obvious: after such a horrendous level of abuse, and the resulting losing time, amnesia, depression, frequent suicide attempts (all things that Chloe says she struggles with - that quote about saying she tried to end her life 'like a ritual' comes to mind) - how could she have filmed, edited, and uploaded one video every week for two years, only missing something like three uploads? If her mental state and chronic fatigue are as bad as she's saying, there's no way she'd be able to get all of that done.

 

[gingerthief]

Having finished reading the book @Lurk so generously provided, I’m even more disgusted by “switches” like this and the idea that anyone would choose to LARP this condition. It’s worth a read if you’ve got the stomach for it because it truly shows how childhood trauma can affect a person.

The book is really harrowing, I read it when it was first recommended about a month ago (before this thread apparently exploded with exeptionalism). Having read Sybil (which also depicts some truly soul destroying child abuse) I thought I was prepared for it, but the depths of depravity that humans can sink to are just mind boggling.

I agree so much with the sentiment in the quote: it's beyond insulting to real victims of abuse that this asshole Chloe is put on a pedestal as some kind of Queen of DID, whose every word is truth and backed by science (no need to check any of her sources, just trust her, guys!). The fact that this shifty grifter who enjoys LARPing as a wounded fragile little flower has a massive following is horrifying.

Just skimming through some of the chat logs shows that Chloe is an annoying attention seeker through and through. She finally found her niche in the mental health vlogging sphere, where click-baiting reigns supreme and questioning the creator is a DANGEROUS TRIGGER HOW DARE YOU VICTIMIZE THIS POOR DAMAGED SOUL!?1! Convenient!

What also grinds my gears is how shitty her acting is! She's not even convincing with her SWITCHES CAUGHT ON CAMERA!!1 I'm personally offended that she doesn't put more effort into her craft.

In the words of the esteemed professor Farnsworth: I don't want to live on this planet anymore.