The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

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I sincerely hope that M$ doesn't get rid of LTSC because that's quite literally the only reason why I'm even still running Windows 10 in the first place. If it were up to me, I'd still be running Windows 7 but I don't have the patience to do a whole bunch of workarounds to get a 10-year-old OS to run on a modern motherboard.
 
Are we really defendibg Vista now? "Oh well the cow shat out a turd, but eventually a flower grew from the pile of shit so I guess that means the turd smelled nice all along."
Yes, Win7 owes a lot to Vista; but the key thing is MS realized what people hated and fixed it in the next OS. Wish the same were true for 10X, but we've already got "10 wasn't so bad" revisionists ensuring MS will never course correct.

Win7 is Vista just like XP was Win2K.

People think 7 fixed so much stuff from Vista because by then, they weren't running the OS in potato machines claimed to be "vista capable" despite being low end

Besides bad drivers that was a big thing. I think Intel got hit with a class-action lawsuit for strong-arming Microsoft into adding things like their shitty GMA chips to the list of Vista capable hardware.

The OS was garish as fuck, that's my biggest complaint. It felt slow because the start menu and windows wanted to show off their unnecessary HW accelerated graphical effects[edit: animations, not effects], something Apple had been gloating over having, but that could be turned off and things were instant again.

Plug and Play actually worked, it became what they promised when launching Win95 but failed to deliver up until Vista, that was fantastic. Remember the gotcha of finishing reinstalling XP and discovering that you need NIC drivers but you can't just get them on the internet because you need the driver for that. You find the floppy with drivers but you don't know where the floppy drive is stashed. Top that, Linux.
Then you needed integrated sound drivers, USB 2.0 drivers, WiFi drivers etc. XP supported almost nothing by itself, but the most painful one was always the lack of a generic set of drivers for the network card. Vista had those. Things worked.

The ree that will never die when it comes to Vista is "mah RAM!". Microsoft should have released a patch, an actual patch, that the user put infront of the screen to cover RAM usage when looking at task manager. The patch would have "ram usage: super low" printed on it. The tards would calm down and everyone would be happy.
 
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Reminds me of crap tech sites giving the same retarded advice during the XP/Vista days: "delete prefetch folder to make ur pc fast and save disk space, hurr hurr dumb ms creating slowing files" and people kept suggesting it and tech journos gave it "top answer" awards.

That was the FUCKING CACHE designed to speed things up. It was like taking the spoiler out of a race car "because it's heavy"
 
Out of boredom and quarantine-related madness I decided to build an old dual CPU Opteron setup (extracted from the WoW server blade I bought years ago) with 8 or 10 GB RAM, need to see how it's working out.
They're Opetron 275s (Italy) with 2.2 GHz dual cores. I was wondering if I should go with Windows 10 (drivers are available it seems) or something older? I have no experience with CPUs intended for server use and their performance. The mainboard is a
MSI K8T Master2-FAR MS-9130. I might use it to play some early 2000ish games or maybe just use it as a home server.
 
Out of boredom and quarantine-related madness I decided to build an old dual CPU Opteron setup (extracted from the WoW server blade I bought years ago) with 8 or 10 GB RAM, need to see how it's working out.
They're Opetron 275s (Italy) with 2.2 GHz dual cores. I was wondering if I should go with Windows 10 (drivers are available it seems) or something older? I have no experience with CPUs intended for server use and their performance. The mainboard is a
MSI K8T Master2-FAR MS-9130. I might use it to play some early 2000ish games or maybe just use it as a home server.
What CPUs and Graphics card are you planning on using with it?
 
dual Opetron 275s (Italy) with 2.2 GHz dual cores
That would be Windows Server 2003 territory. That's not great for gaming, especially not the 64 bit version. And I would not use it as a server connected to the internet, for a lack of security updates. Windows 10 is not all that great for early 2000's gaming either.
I would try Windows 10, just to see how it does on the hardware, and then switch to Linux to do anything useful with it. Modern Linux, via wine, tends to be better for old Windows games, too.
 
This box wouldn't be connected to the internet of course, just using it as a server for my home...an intranet, if you want to call it that.
 
In that case try 32 bit Server 2003 with PAE. That would essentially give you XP with multi CPU support. I don't remember how complicated, or not, it was to enable PAE, or if there was any noticeable performance loss with it.
You should also look into CPU affinity for games, because they usually suffer a performance hit when they are spread over multiple CPUs.
 
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I'll look into that, thanks. Games aren't a priority, I got another old P3 with a Geforce 4 4200 Ti for those early 2000ish games, but I'd be interested how they perform with a dual CPU setup. The Opteron 275's don't work with the board, seems like it only supports Sledgehammer CPUs (130nm) and not Italy CPUs (90nm), (I read some conflicting posts saying they would, other said they won't), so I bought two 246's for under two bucks. Those are only single core though.

I will try Windows 10 first, see how it performs and then switch to something older if the performance is too bad.
 
In that case try 32 bit Server 2003 with PAE. That would essentially give you XP with multi CPU support. I don't remember how complicated, or not, it was to enable PAE, or if there was any noticeable performance loss with it.
You should also look into CPU affinity for games, because they usually suffer a performance hit when they are spread over multiple CPUs.

The shortcut that launches the game can be edited to set the CPU affinity, so task manager doesn't have to be involved every time.

@Van Darkholme, unless they are made to take advantage of more than one CPU core(Carmack made a patch for Q2 on a lark back in the day for dual socket Pentium Pro systems, Q3 might support it as well) they won't run better.

There's also the issue of modern Windows scheduling threads and where they should run so a game process might bounce around different cores without knowing it. This can become a huge problem depending on how they measure time between one frame completing and another one starting.
This is why this matters: In games, even when they lurch down to 5fps for a second or two, your character will cover the same distance in one second @5fps as they would in one second @60fps. How far something moving at 5 meters per second travels in 16ms(60fps) or 200ms(5fps) is not a tricky thing to calculate accurately, unless time becomes unreliable, maybe -279ms passed between frames, that would make the animations weird and movement would be super-jerky like a laggy online game.

RDTSC was an instruction that was often used, it returned the current cycle count of the CPU, it was very precise and fast. Upon startup the game polled the OS to get the clock speed of the CPU, that speed didn't change, then used ReaD Time Stamp Counter to determine exactly how much time passed between frames, if the CPU was 500mhz and 20 million hertz passed since the last check then the exact elapsed time between frames is known and that time value would be used for movement but also things like determining where in an animation cycle something is so it can be rendered correctly.

Even if thread scheduling isn't an issue modern CPUs have variable frequency, it clocks down to save energy and Windows will still present the CPU as so-and-so 3.6ghz but it might also boost above that, on one core or many cores at once. Counting cycles to determine time is no longer reliable for timing purposes.

It doesn't affect every game, not every game works like that, but if it is janky and weird it should be set be set to run on one core only, it usually works pretty well. PCGamingWiki also have patches for problems that isn't solved by that.
 
I've not really used windows much in about 10 years but have a windows machine that I play games on.

Wanted to install a couple of programmes recently and on launching the exe I got a prompt from windows along the lines of 'you really shouldn't, why don't you use the Microsoft app store instead'.

WTF? Since when has this been a thing? Does windows just treat every user like a complete tard now who can't be trusted to do anything? Take your app store and shove it up your ass. Smartphones were a mistake.
 
I've not really used windows much in about 10 years but have a windows machine that I play games on.

Wanted to install a couple of programmes recently and on launching the exe I got a prompt from windows along the lines of 'you really shouldn't, why don't you use the Microsoft app store instead'.

WTF? Since when has this been a thing? Does windows just treat every user like a complete tard now who can't be trusted to do anything? Take your app store and shove it up your ass. Smartphones were a mistake.
I've never had that happen to me, was there a feature update in the last 2 months that I haven't installed because if so that was a gay addition
 
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I've never had that happen to me, was there a feature update in the last 2 months that I haven't installed because if so that was a gay addition
Possibly? I did an update a few days ago so maybe a new 'feature' they added.
 
Is there a *totally* legal windows unofficiall build or something to use instead of win10? Like modernized xp or 7?
 
Is there a *totally* legal windows unofficiall build or something to use instead of win10? Like modernized xp or 7?
For XP there is Windows Embedded POSReady 2009, it only stopped getting security updates last year and it doesn't require online activation so you just have to find a non-trial key online
For Windows 7 there is Windows Embedded POSReady 7 which is still getting updates until next year, but good luck activating it
 
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I just got GPU passthrough to work on Linux. Anyone got tips for eliminating Looking-Glass lag? (especially when gaming)

Guess it's kind of Windows related.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised since they're also doing this: https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/02/08/windows-10-start-menu-edge-ad/

I use Classic Shell so I've never seen it myself.
Image of the ad for context:
Microsoft-Edge-ad.jpg

Do they do the same for Chrome and Opera? The article doesn't say. It would be interesting if Microsoft was only targeting non-Chromium-based browsers now that Trident has officially kicked the bucket.
 
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