Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[ConfederateIrishman]

What the hell is Northam thinking having the lockdown extend to June 10? Every decision he's made since taking office seems to be out of pure spite for everyone outside Northern Virginia.

So... remember that gun protest that went nowhere? And how people threatened to do it again if he passed those gun control bills?

Well the red flag laws and other gun control bills passed.... so he has a good motivation for keeping everyone focused on Corona for as long as possible.

Who knows though? Maybe I'm just being more cynical than usual and he really is just being cautious about COVID-19.

 

[Otterly]

And really. I have to say it seems triggered not by the real hardcore measures, but by the petty shit.

That’s the Brits for you. We will stoically put up with an awful lot if we have to, but we don’t have much tolerance for petty tyrants.

People are getting stressed though. I’m seeing a lot of family strife as people either are out of work or trying to work and keep the kids amused as well. Timing the release will be as much about the mood of the country as the epidemiology. They need to be able to sell it as a blitz spirit, didn’t you all do well kind of thing rather than have people revolt. Remember all those stories about Europe banning bendy bananas (I do believe Boris was behind some of them...)? That’s the kind of thing that really pisses Brits off. We may be eccentric but we don’t like that kind of thing at all.

The curves looking similar is interesting. That was what the swedish epidemiologist (tegnell) said - that they suspect that this will just rip through populations in much the same way regardless of what people do. That very extreme measures like a total Wuhan lockdown will do more but that just doesn’t work in a western society and neither should it be tried. He was really flamed for saying that we will all end up in the same place but I think he’s probably into something.
The excess in sweden is apparently huge rates in the ghettos in Sweden, for which the media has a resounding ‘meh’ and old people’s homes, which people are annoyed about.

I think when it’s all over the main differentiators will be due to population density and healthcare capacity, and not much else.

Another big long term difference is going to be between places that allowed their governments to impose huge fines and prison sentences for being where you shouldn’t and places which told their governments to fuck right off with that. This can go either way - it’s can either get all the surveillance shit even more entrenched or it can show the general public just how much of a grip the government has on their freedom. Personally I’m hoping for some epic oversteps resulting in serious pushback.

Edited to add: I’m also told sweden are recording all deaths WITH corona as being part of the toll - that’s very different to many places and will bump their figures up too. ESP evilly in elderly care homes.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Saw lots of sperging and whining on social media today in regards of the protests happening.

"What a bunch of fools! People are dying! The economy can always bounce back!" says the people who still have jobs and a steady paycheck ...

"The economy can always bounce back" Wow, the sheer ignorance and of statements like this ...

*laughs in broke*

Spain death numbers look to have been wrong yesterday and the day before that.

Told ya.

So... remember that gun protest that went nowhere? And how people threatened to do it again if he passed those gun control bills?

Well the red flag laws and other gun control bills passed.... so he has a good motivation for keeping everyone focused on Corona for as long as possible.

Who knows though? Maybe I'm just being more cynical than usual and he really is just being cautious about COVID-19.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

So... remember that gun protest that went nowhere? And how people threatened to do it again if he passed those gun control bills?

Well the red flag laws and other gun control bills passed.... so he has a good motivation for keeping everyone focused on Corona for as long as possible.

Who knows though? Maybe I'm just being more cynical than usual and he really is just being cautious about COVID-19.

That did occur to me as awfully convenient when I saw'd they passed earlier in the middle of lockdown. Still, he's going to have people pissed off over a lot more than just guns in a few weeks the way he's going about it.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

What the hell is Northam thinking having the lockdown extend to June 10? Every decision he's made since taking office seems to be out of pure spite for everyone outside Northern Virginia.

Northam may very well be turning Virginia back into a red state instead of a purple-to-blue state ...

Dude is a flat-out nutcase, a slimeball, and an authoritarian.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

Heard there was going to be a meat shortage soon because of meat processing plants closing down. Didn't see any price hikes or lack of availability at the local grocery store when I went on my meat run. I live in an area close enough to get an occasional whiff of fertilizer coming off the local farmlands, and I hope that means I'll be spared most of the bigger food shortages.

 

[2021Murder]

Northam may very well be turning Virginia back into a red state instead of a purple-to-blue state ...

Dude is a flat-out nutcase, a slimeball, and an authoritarian.

lol you have to be a complete idiot to think that. immigrants, whether its country or even state vote blue, which means even people moving to VA from other states because of government work vote dem, so unless somehow millions of fed contractors and employees vanish in the next 6 months its going to be a blue state. Also Northam ended up close to on the money with his stay at home order, other hard hit states are only going to open back up once its May 15th. If some mass 2nd wave hits that causes people to go back inside VA may end up being the first virus free state. Honestly if he said May 10th people would probably be congratulating him on his foresight.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

That’s the Brits for you. We will stoically put up with an awful lot if we have to, but we don’t have much tolerance for petty tyrants.

People are getting stressed though. I’m seeing a lot of family strife as people either are out of work or trying to work and keep the kids amused as well. Timing the release will be as much about the mood of the country as the epidemiology. They need to be able to sell it as a blitz spirit, didn’t you all do well kind of thing rather than have people revolt. Remember all those stories about Europe banning bendy bananas (I do believe Boris was behind some of them...)? That’s the kind of thing that really pisses Brits off. We may be eccentric but we don’t like that kind of thing at all.

The curves looking similar is interesting. That was what the swedish epidemiologist (tegnell) said - that they suspect that this will just rip through populations in much the same way regardless of what people do. That very extreme measures like a total Wuhan lockdown will do more but that just doesn’t work in a western society and neither should it be tried. He was really flamed for saying that we will all end up in the same place but I think he’s probably into something.
The excess in sweden is apparently huge rates in the ghettos in Sweden, for which the media has a resounding ‘meh’ and old people’s homes, which people are annoyed about.

I think when it’s all over the main differentiators will be due to population density and healthcare capacity, and not much else.

Another big long term difference is going to be between places that allowed their governments to impose huge fines and prison sentences for being where you shouldn’t and places which told their governments to fuck right off with that. This can go either way - it’s can either get all the surveillance shit even more entrenched or it can show the general public just how much of a grip the government has on their freedom. Personally I’m hoping for some epic oversteps resulting in serious pushback.

Edited to add: I’m also told sweden are recording all deaths WITH corona as being part of the toll - that’s very different to many places and will bump their figures up too. ESP evilly in elderly care homes.

Has anyone actually explained why the fuck were the bendy bananas banned to begin with? That shit hilariously hasn't affected us, canarian bananas are large, firm and straight. (Pun definitely intended.) But it still seems fucking retarded.

Honestly, EU regulations should just straight up be told to get fucking bent already. The EU is not a country, we do not ellect EU leaders henceforth the EU should have no legislative power period. And they're gonna find out the hard way just how many people agree with me on this soon enough. Here in spain "Britain is right" is literally being used as a meme followed by pictures of the EUs bullshit. This shit's inevitable.

Northam may very well be turning Virginia back into a red state instead of a purple-to-blue state ...

Dude is a flat-out nutcase, a slimeball, and an authoritarian.

Nah nah nah. Let him. Let him think he's safe so he comes for your guns. Lets see him fucking try. It's gonna be hilarious.

For the record. I am happy not to own a gun. Much like I say burgerland lost the war on drugs, we lost the war on gun rights, literally and metaphorically (during the republic gun laws were much, much laxer, the fascists hardened them to stop the guerrillas when they got to power), and it's kinda ok. 'Cause I sure as shit never needed a gun in my life. BUT. I'd say we should move to less lethal defense mechanisms. And if you think a guerrilla can really stand up to the gov in case of civil war like 2Aers claim then I have a bridge to sell to you. BUT.

GUNS ARE NOT THE CAUSE OF AMERICAS ISSUES. THEY ARE A SYMPTOM. With the high criminality, long response times, outrageous lack of police discipline, political polarization and extreme violent and organized crime statistics america sports all taking guns would do is make people even less protected. It'd be fucking chaos. The root of the issue needs to be fixed, and then, and only then, can you really adress the possible disarmament of burgerlanders. Which I don't even necessarily think would be needed necessarily. But wether it is beneficial or not doesn't even matter at this point. Right now it's at worst a necessary evil and at best just one more tool. So please democrats, fucking stop it already!

 

[teriyakiburns]

Has anyone actually explained why the fuck were the bendy bananas banned to begin with? That shit hilariously hasn't affected us, canarian bananas are large, firm and straight. (Pun definitely intended.) But it still seems fucking exceptional.

They weren't banned. The regulations on shape and size of certain fruits and vegetables were for ensuring quality and consistency in long-distance transport. A long, straight banana is less likely to be damaged in transport compared to a highly curved one or a fat and short one, so any banana that is transported for sale into or across the single market has to conform to certain shape and size requirements. If they're sold locally - i.e. not long-distance - different, far less-stringent quality requirements apply. Obviously there aren't many places within the EU growing bananas, so the non-comforming bananas don't put in much of an appearance, but there are lots that sell cucumber, which is the other "bendy ban". Their conformant cucumbers are sent off to other parts of the EU for sale, whilst the non-conformant (and frankly better-tasting) ones are sold locally.

Also worth noting that these are an EU implementation of an ISO regulation. A lot of the regulations the EU imposes are negotiated at the international level, in fora that require absolute unanimity rather than majority votes. The EU has an enormous voting bloc there due to all of its member states being required to adopt EU common positions, so it can effectively control and veto regulations as it desires, whilst its members can't attempt to tailor them to their local requirements, and are required to adopt them on a timetable the EU defines and in the way the EU considers "correct", rather than on their own timetable and i a way that accounts for their own cultural and economic needs.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

They weren't banned. The regulations on shape and size of certain fruits and vegetables were for ensuring quality and consistency in long-distance transport. A long, straight banana is less likely to be damaged in transport compared to a highly curved one or a fat and short one, so any banana that is transported for sale into or across the single market has to conform to certain shape and size requirements. If they're sold locally - i.e. not long-distance - different, far less-stringent quality requirements apply. Obviously there aren't many places within the EU growing bananas, so the non-comforming bananas don't put in much of an appearance, but there are lots that sell cucumber, which is the other "bendy ban". Their conformant cucumbers are sent off to other parts of the EU for sale, whilst the non-conformant (and frankly better-tasting) ones are sold locally.

Also worth noting that these are an EU implementation of an ISO regulation. A lot of the regulations the EU imposes are negotiated at the international level, in fora that require absolute unanimity rather than majority votes. The EU has an enormous voting bloc there due to all of its member states being required to adopt EU common positions, so it can effectively control and veto regulations as it desires, whilst its members can't attempt to tailor them to their local requirements, and are required to adopt them on a timetable the EU defines and in the way the EU considers "correct", rather than on their own timetable and i a way that accounts for their own cultural and economic needs.

So they ISO noted that prior containments suck at protecting bendy fruit and veg and instead of possibly using different containers for the more curved varieties of such product the EU just went and baned them, no matter the possible benefits of such subspecies. And then they claim to be ecologists... fucking nutcases.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

China released photos from the Wuhan virology lab bragging about their freezer with 1,500 viruses in it. When people pointed out the seal on the door had warped, the photos were deleted.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3919496

https://archive.vn/IL02Q

 

[druid]

 

[No. 7 cat]

Xi is too dumb to realize that the stagnation, not the reform, killed the Soviet Union. He is blaming the doctor for killing someone who smoked 20 packs of cigarettes a day for 20 years on the operating table.

Low oil prices also destroyed the Soviet Union as its oil needs a high price to be economic. Now resource prices won't destroy CCP rule, but a good many semi allies like Russia and vassals like Venezuela are not having a good time of it. Chernobyl and the ham fisted cover up broke the spell for a good many subjects of the Soviet Union too. Reform did do some harm, as people post Chernobyl were perhaps less willing to endure sacrifice for something they despised. I think the CCP probably is aware of all the angles from resource strains to public perception. Keeping over a billion in servitude is hard.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Edit: morning news roundup. I need sleep. Numbers are still lowering which is really good news. A guardia civil slipped when talking on the news and the right is using it to fuel shit, nothing that new really and even most righties seem to have the opinion that "so long as they take part in the economic pact they can say whatever bullshit they want while they do it", I find it slightly hilarious that people's reaction to this isn't even offense at this point, they just can't give a shit anymore.

Fernando Simon has been talking on TV about how we should accelerate letting the kids out and letting people get out to excercize so long as they do it 1 by 1. Honestly, twas about time. We'll see if they listen but if ISCIII is being this blatant you can bet your ass they've been telling politicians to be competent for a while now.

Birds are cute by the day but they decided to start chirping at like 4 in the fucking morning after the top neighbors didn't stop making noise until 2, and I swear right now there's nothing I want more than to roast those fuckers and make a medieval motherfucking banquet. And frankly... I don't know which fuckers I'm talking about there.

China released photos from the Wuhan virology lab bragging about their freezer with 1,500 viruses in it. When people pointed out the seal on the door had warped, the photos were deleted.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3919496

https://archive.vn/IL02Q

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I remember those photos and the backlash they got. I did not notice that seal. And I have to say. It might be the perfect fucking cherry on top of the cake of chink incompetence. I'm telling ya, in university courses explaining biolab safety, they should use these photos on the exam for a "find all the protocol violations" exercise. They did not follow a single fucking regulation. You can't even go this far doing it accidentally this isn't mere negligence they had to know what they were doing. Holy shite!

lol you have to be a complete idiot to think that. immigrants, whether its country or even state vote blue, which means even people moving to VA from other states because of government work vote dem, so unless somehow millions of fed contractors and employees vanish in the next 6 months its going to be a blue state. Also Northam ended up close to on the money with his stay at home order, other hard hit states are only going to open back up once its May 15th. If some mass 2nd wave hits that causes people to go back inside VA may end up being the first virus free state. Honestly if he said May 10th people would probably be congratulating him on his foresight.

You know, with corona going around. I don't think a few million niggas and mexicans would be missed too badly if someone where to... accelerate the demographic shift. In minecraft of course.

 

[Otterly]

, in university courses explaining biolab safety, they should use these photos on the exam for a "find all the protocol violations" exercise.

Here’s one more: It’s not just the seal. Look at how much frost has built up on the main body - even if the seal was perfect, that alone would render the freezer unsuitable. Clearly nothing is being maintained correctly.

Since the samples are stored in a regular freezer box, In an open freezer, the freezer itself is insecure. So, she should also be in full BSL level appropriate PPE, depending on what’s in there. She’s wearing a surgical mask and minimal (regular lab level) PPE. That is NOT how you bank samples above the kind of regular, non harmful stuff a bog standard lab has.
As it is, this is no more secure than the office lunch fridge, which will at least get cleaned regularly. It’s like you say, a spot the ball of lab errors, and every time I see this picture I feel quite irrationally annoyed. Remember this is the stuff they were happy to have pictures taken of. Imagine what horrors exist elsewhere.

 

[Billy_Sama]

Heard there was going to be a meat shortage soon because of meat processing plants closing down. Didn't see any price hikes or lack of availability at the local grocery store when I went on my meat run. I live in an area close enough to get an occasional whiff of fertilizer coming off the local farmlands, and I hope that means I'll be spared most of the bigger food shortages.

I think you are ok if your area has small meat processing plants to provide to local area. Large places like Smithfield were bound to get hit with massive infections in how they manage their workers.

 

[JosephStalin]

A heartening article. Note all protests here have been peaceful. But if these states of house arrest are not lifted or at least rationalized soon, these protests could turn violent. Governors need to stop acting like little Hitlers and listen to the people.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-some-governors-have-gone-too-far-on-coronavirus-restrictions/ar-BB12T1jL?li=BBnb7Kz#image=BB12RE0x|23

https://archive.vn/TKeyg

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Since the samples are stored in a regular freezer box, In an open freezer, the freezer itself is insecure. So, she should also be in full BSL level appropriate PPE, depending on what’s in there. She’s wearing a surgical mask and minimal (regular lab level) PPE. That is NOT how you bank samples above the kind of regular, non harmful stuff a bog standard lab has.

That occurred to me too. If you look at the US standards for BSL-4 they're extreme. Positive pressure suit is worn over normal lab gear, two sets of gloves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level#Biosafety_level_4

https://archive.vn/DZKlE#Biosafety_level_4

Now you may object that this is typical American overkill. Well yeah, but you're dealing with fucking ebola, I'd say that a bit of redundant safety might be in order. Also, the CDC environment where everyone can suggest improvements is designed to produce heavily redundant safety measures so that if one fails you still don't contaminate people.

In China, you always get the impression, someone, at the top said 'Have the lab operating by this date or you'll lose your job' and then the underlings scrambled to get to the point all the boxed could be checked and anyone who questioned if it was all ready got the boot. It's not a good environment to build a BSL-4 lab.

A heartening article. Note all protests here have been peaceful. But if these states of house arrest are not lifted or at least rationalized soon, these protests could turn violent. Governors need to stop acting like little Hitlers and listen to the people.

Boris could learn from this. He could tell the police to stop hunting people with drones[1], kicking in doors[2] and filling lagoons with dye[3] to stop people swimming.

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...e-drone-messages-easter-weekend-a9460401.html
https://web.archive.org/web/2020041...e-drone-messages-easter-weekend-a9460401.html

[2]https://www.mediaite.com/crime/brit...-broke-down-door-over-suspected-corona-rager/
https://web.archive.org/web/2020041...-broke-down-door-over-suspected-corona-rager/

[3] https://www.insider.com/uk-police-dyed-blue-lagoon-black-to-stop-people-visiting-2020-3
https://archive.vn/wip/Pv3zi

 

[mr.moon1488]

lol anyone else taking online classes now starting to notice how haggard their professors are starting to look?

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

I think you are ok if your area has small meat processing plants to provide to local area. Large places like Smithfield were bound to get hit with massive infections in how they manage their workers.

I might be hearing the same source they are. Word on the ground is that you've had USDA inspectors come down with the WuFlu and that other plants have had infections much worse than the Smithfield ones including a few workers dying. The reason for concern also being that there is no inventory, meat is processed then out the door. So if these meat packing places have to shut down for any time at all, even for a week or two to decontaminate and institute new procedures there will be widespread shortages of meat.