Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[pull over dat ass too fat]

This should have happened 2 months ago when China stopped production, IMO it's a late panic reaction on the news that everybody is full tanks on oil ATM.

For anyone who cares, it's not that the oil is worthless, it's that nobody wants to slow production (should have happened 2 months ago).

It's not a panic reaction, it's just been kept afloat in a zombielike state by the US gov buying it up. this shit is a burden to store now. There's an oil price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia. This caused a rapid & large surplus in oil for other countries which produce oil. The final collapse was inevitable, the US was just trying to lighten/delay the fall imo.

the more concerning part to me is that there's a huge surplus of something that's worthless (and I'm gonna double down and say it really is worthless until either the virus is abated or the oil war lets up) while consumers lack cash and aren't buying shit. all of this indicates a deflation, but the stock market has been chugging along with inf QE. also the gold price is so fucking weird, that shit normally follows oil. the fact that it saw significant gains while oil went negative is unsettling, though I'm not sure yet what it means. my guess is that people with money are looking to get liquidity.

 

[Otterly]

Would a full blood count answer those questions?

Partially. You’d also want blood gases, and percentage methemoglobin, nitrate levels, peripheral smear, reticulocyte count, liver enzymes and haptoglobin.

just looking at this. Not entirely sure what I think of it, but if it’s real, then what could cause such even pigmentation? My guess? both these guys have had a massive release / input of iron.

Chinese medics critically ill with COVID-19 wake up with darkened skin

Dr Yi Fan and Dr Hu Weifeng caught the novel coronavirus while treating patients at the Wuhan Central Hospital in January. Their abnormal skin colour is caused by hormonal imbalances.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Archive:,https://archive.li/dPryF

Article is contradictory- first it says the colouration is the result of a drug then saysit’s a consequence of liver damage.
My guess would be iron - it looks like bronzing rather than drug induced hyperpigmentation, who h is often patchy. This is even.
Methinks the Chinese have been trialling some drugs and protocols they haven’t been telling the world about.

edited to add: they have Very white sclera for men with such severely damaged livers...

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Had there been any further talk of what’s happening in patients blood? Just sperging about this in the treatment thread but will copy it here... I also think there’s a problem with oxygenation. Maybe the haemoglobin is in a state where it’s unable to carry oxygen, or unable to release that oxygen to tissues AND some patients are seeing RBC levels drop as well. The combination, together with viral pneumonia and the layer of gunk coating the alveoli, is enough to put you into a pretty bad state.

It throws up some interesting targets - like cytochrome b5 reductase, G6pd again, but really someone needs to be looking at these patients blood. What percentage of haem is in the met form? Why is it doing that? What’s causing it? There’s form for some viruses causing oxidative haemolysis. Hep E does it and the effect is compounded in g6pd deficiency.
These patients seem to be in a state of oxidative stress. If that precedes the respiratory issues /or arises separately or in parallel it’d explain why Vents have such a poor success rate. The blood either can’t pick the oxygen up or it can’t release it to the tissues. We are missing something fundamental about how this virus kills people.

I'll have to drop by the treatment thread but TL;DR we ain't missing shit. In spain we have checked and it seems it's really just the same as every other coronavirus. It can in EXTREME cases cause blood issues much like every other virus once they manage to batter the body hard enough. As for the vents, there is ONE british study that claims excessive lethality. Everything else seems freaking word of mouth and dumbassery with people not getting that indeed, if you're stuck in a ventilator, it's cause you're half dead already. I'll search for more intel but I have yet to get my hands on the britbong study and I have yet to find ANY corroboration. It doesn't seem that bad.

Here's a corona guide by the spanish national science library. It's in spanish but maybe there's an english option I dunno. Go check it for intel if you want, I ain't found shit. https://www.isciii.es/QueHacemos/Servicios/Biblioteca/Paginas/Guia-COVID.aspx

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

So, when will the floodgates break in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and all the other garden variety shitholes? Also, TIL that Mexico has a bigger obesity problem than the US, certainly this won’t make matters worse for them.

 

[Bender]

Partially. You’d also want blood gases, and percentage methemoglobin, nitrate levels, peripheral smear, reticulocyte count, liver enzymes and haptoglobin.

So what mystic glyphs can I scribble on my blood test sheet to get all that tested too?

Edit: Why isn't all of that covered by a global blood test?

 

[Not Really Here]

There's an oil price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia.

Neither party reducing output does not make a "oil price war" for there to be an "oil price war" one or both would have to greatly increase production.

Even Wikipedia shows the source of the issue as the reduction of demand in China.

Source / Archive
This is a market glut caused by slow reactions of producers.

Edit: Somebody is up to their neck in oil futures and attempting to dump them before they are forced to take delivery with nowhere to put it. Supertankers stacking up in ports looking at you to pay late unloading fees and penalties.

Edit:

Spoiler: Found video of the futures trader holding contracts for millions of barrels of oil about to make port.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

So what mystic glyphs can I scribble on my blood test sheet to get all that tested too?

Edit: Why isn't all of that covered by a global blood test?

Spoiler: the sacred runes

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[Otterly]

Why isn't all of that covered by a global blood test?

Because it’s expensive and usually unnecessary. If it’s your blood, and you can dictate (?) then a full count and a peripheral smear are most informative, metHb. Don’t do for anyone else’s- ethics and all that.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

I finally dug up that news item about Google and Apple:

Coronavirus "tracking" or "contact tracing" = surveillance of course.

Just sperging about this in the treatment thread

Can you post the link to that thread?

The blood either can’t pick the oxygen up or it can’t release it to the tissues.

Do you think it might cause a type of anemia? Or rather that it exploits existing anemia, given that many people are mineral deficient including iron deficient? Anemics usually suffer from low iron and low hemoglobin levels and they are given colecalciferol and iron fumarate. When I first read that the Coronavirus was affecting hemoglobin and iron I asked whether anemics are considered an at-risk group and the baffling answer I got back is that they aren't. How on earth are anemics not considered high risk when they are the very ones who already have problems with their iron and hemoglobin? We already heard the theory that blacks are more likely to succumb because many already are vitamin D deficient.

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

Neither party reducing output does not make a "oil price war" for there to be an "oil price war" one or both would have to greatly increase production.

LOL wait WHAT. you expect them to increase output when there's such a low demand and such a huge surplus? no shit they reduced production lmao look around. it'd be retarded to increase production during a surplus. they're both aggressively lowering prices because they're dependent on oil. that's definitively a price war. I'm agreeing that this is a long time coming, but the US has been keeping bankrupting oil companies afloat. its zombielike crawl to death before finally shitting the bed was inevitable. i don't think it's apt to call something "panicking" when it's just a logical reaction to the supply/demand. there's nowhere to put this fucking oil that noone's buying, lmao.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

It's not a panic reaction, it's just been kept afloat in a zombielike state by the US gov buying it up. this shit is a burden to store now. There's an oil price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia. This caused a rapid & large surplus in oil for other countries which produce oil. The final collapse was inevitable, the US was just trying to lighten/delay the fall imo.

the more concerning part to me is that there's a huge surplus of something that's worthless (and I'm gonna double down and say it really is worthless until either the virus is abated or the oil war lets up) while consumers lack cash and aren't buying shit. all of this indicates a deflation, but the stock market has been chugging along with inf QE. also the gold price is so fucking weird, that shit normally follows oil. the fact that it saw significant gains while oil went negative is unsettling, though I'm not sure yet what it means. my guess is that people with money are looking to get liquidity.

Afaik, this only affects May as of now and prices for June are still at 22 Dollars.
I'm not familiar with this stuff, I assume that price has a chance to drop, too, since the market won't suddenly crank up its demand to a point where we use up all the oil that is literally flooding the market right now. However I guess there is still enough time to take counter measures like lowering production, that will counteract.
That might be the reason why this hasn't yet turned into a complete SHTF moment.

 

[Stoneheart]

Here. My great tits.

nobody can dox you from just your tits...

 

[Not Really Here]

LOL wait WHAT. you expect them to increase output when there's such a low demand and such a huge surplus? no shit they reduced production lmao look around. it'd be exceptional to increase production during a surplus. they're both aggressively lowering prices because they're dependent on oil. that's definitively a price war. I'm agreeing that this is a long time coming, but the US has been keeping bankrupting oil companies afloat. its zombielike crawl to death before finally shitting the bed was inevitable. i don't think it's apt to call something "panicking" when it's just a logical reaction to the supply/demand. there's nowhere to put this fucking oil that noone's buying, lmao.

Name one oil producer in the world who didn't lower prices.

Claiming this is a price war between S.A. and Russia is absurd.

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

Name one oil producer in the world who didn't lower prices.

yes, to compete with Saudi Arabia and Russia. that's how price wars work. why do you think crude oil coincidentally went so fucking dramatically cheap after OPEC talks between Saudi Arabia and Russia about competing for market share. you're either really dumb or biased as fuck.

 

[Aria]

Julian Reichelt on Twitter

“China‘s embassy in Berlin wrote me an open letter because they weren‘t too happy with our Corona coverage. I responded. Full version: https://t.co/BH1muj2hnh https://t.co/Q62H2G9ZqA”

twitter.com

http://archive.li/B6f1W

 

[Not Really Here]

yes, to compete with Saudi Arabia and Russia. that's how price wars work. why do you think crude oil coincidentally went so fucking dramatically cheap after OPEC talks between Saudi Arabia and Russia about competing for market share. you're either really dumb or biased as fuck.

Aaaaaaannnnnnd we're back to the actual source of the issue, demand dropping and production not reacting quickly enough.

 

[JosephStalin]

Well, oil's "up" to -13.10/barrel. Until today, and I'm in the seventh decade of life, have never seen oil negatively priced. The only times I have known of other commodities being negatively priced were during the Depression, when certain grains were at a negative cost, believe a negative few cents, per bushel. Read about it in a history book.

Okay, have some questions. Appreciate, as always, any info.
1. Is this likely to be just a one-day or two-day anomaly, or could it be longer?
2. What, if any, impact would this have on the price of gasoline if this pricing trend were to last a few weeks?


@737 MAX Stan Account - Your question is VERY well taken. I don't know why the ChiCom flu isn't running rampant in the countries you mentioned. Don't believe any of these countries can effectively shut off the news coming out. Haven't seen anything here. Believe there's at least one poster here from India.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

nobody can dox you from just your tits...

Maybe I have really really really unique tits. Or maybe I have 4 tits. Ever thought of that? Plus you bastards could dox me from the reflection of my neighbor's window on my left nipple I know better than to underestimate your autism.

 

[MrBlueSocks]

His name was Manuel Clavijo. He is number 36. In the line of duty over 30 thousand healthcare workers have gotten infected with coronavirus in spain. 36 of them have lost their lives as a result.

Not to dance on this man's grave or anything, but doesn't this give strong support to the 0.1% CFR that we've all been guessing?
I assume that Spain is testing all health workers, or is it just all workers with any symptoms? Whichever, out of a known population you've had 1 in 1000 deaths. There's been so much speculation and guessing about asymptomatic and mild cases, this seems like a strong data point .

 

[Not Really Here]

Well, oil's "up" to -13.10/barrel. Until today, and I'm in the seventh decade of life, have never seen oil negatively priced. The only times I have known of other commodities being negatively priced were during the Depression, when certain grains were at a negative cost, believe a negative few cents, per bushel. Read about it in a history book.

Okay, have some questions. Appreciate, as always, any info.
1. Is this likely to be just a one-day or two-day anomaly, or could it be longer?
2. What, if any, impact would this have on the price of gasoline if this pricing trend were to last a few weeks?

Someone is holding contracts to be delivered this month that at the moment seem to have no place to go.
This person (hedge fund most likely) is attempting to dump the product before they get stuck with tankers in port.
Other people are noticing this and making calls to get rid of the oil they have coming in next month including attempting to reroute tankers.
If this lasts past the end of the week I would be very surprised.

Gas is approaching the lower limit of profitability and I wouldn't expect it to go much lower as states are saying fuckit and reopening.