Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

This is where I'm torn - this would be the smart move but I think she's too much of a narcissist to take such an easy exit. This is the first opportunity she's got to act like a real YouTuber and address a scandal. I don't think I can see her passing up such a great opportunity to practice her acting and increase her engagement. Her subscriber count is increasing in the midst of all this 'drama' and a good number of the new subscribers are definitely just here to watch it all unfold.

If she's smart she's not going to say anything. Nan's CP was unearthed here, in a thread that is mostly dedicated to herself. If people start looking for the "evidence", they are inevitably going to end up here, in a 170+ page discussion about how Chloe is faking her condition. That's a risky move to say the least.

YouTube drama may bring a lot of clicks very quickly, but getting involved in too many slapfights is a bad look. She already got involved with the Trisha drama for absolutely no reason (abloo abloo a woman who will say or do anything for attention called me crazy, such trauma), uploading a sob story about a person who voluntarily disappeared from the internet and made it very clear that they do not want to be involved with the community anymore is not the best idea either, even if they've become hated in the community.

Addressing a scandal makes sense when you're the one getting shit, but people already see her as the victim. She doesn't have to explain herself because she is not the "bad guy" in this situation. If she introduced her newly formed alter(s) and vaguely hinted at all the trauma she had to go through lately, she could take the moral high ground while earning more victim points.
 
So (to speculate again), if Chloe is very easily influenced and has convinced herself she has DID, could she have mistaken her DDLG kink for child alters? That's a really fucked up way to dress up your attraction to a father/daughter relationship dynamic... Speculating on the more manipulative side of things, she seems to fit into the previously identified theme of creeps infiltrating these supposed 'mental illness safe spaces' to live out pedo/DDLG fantasies
from what I gather, a big part of D.I.D is parts of your self manifesting as "literal people", so if she does have that kink, that part of her that would of "played pretend" manifested as an alter? or as mentioned, she believes it so much, it did. or she doesn't want to admit that? something dark and deviant, if she would become a psychotherapist, someone finding that out might be squicked. unless they have 30 kinks.
 
from what I gather, a big part of D.I.D is parts of your self manifesting as "literal people", so if she does have that kink, that part of her that would of "played pretend" manifested as an alter? or as mentioned, she believes it so much, it did. or she doesn't want to admit that? something dark and deviant, if she would become a psychotherapist, someone finding that out might be squicked. unless they have 30 kinks.
If we assume that DID is legit, people form child alters in order to deal with repeated abuse. They basically create another child to take the abuse for them, not because of kinks. People accuse Chloe of having a DDLG kink because her DID is bullshit and there are videos of Nan and her making out and getting handsy as "littles". The term little itself is also used in DDLG but I'm not deep enough in the DID rabbit hole to know if everyone refers to their child alters as such or if that's just Chloe's deviancy

EDIT: Sorry I misunderstood your post. I feel like Chloe mostly has child alters because they're just part of the package. If you have DID, you have to have had childhood trauma, which means you would have needed child alters to deal with them. It wouldn't surprise me if she really convinced herself she had the disorder.
 
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does anyone else pick up autism vibes on Nan? her vocal mannerisms remind me of my autistic cousin. can't tell if it's just her weird fake voice though.

They literally spent a good few days insisting that CP was a coping mechanism and Nan was traumatised before their favourite DIDtubers turned the tide and said actually that's not cool!
You really can't write this stuff these people are exceptional.
that's fucking lulz, i love how convenient this bunch is. they're always such stewards of social justice, until they're not.

also the irony is that this is a tried and true excuse of abusers. "i'm not a bad person for grooming this teen, i only did that because i had a bad childhood!"

YouTube drama may bring a lot of clicks very quickly, but getting involved in too many slapfights is a bad look. She already got involved with the Trisha drama for absolutely no reason (abloo abloo a woman who will say or do anything for attention called me crazy, such trauma), uploading a sob story about a person who voluntarily disappeared from the internet and made it very clear that they do not want to be involved with the community anymore is not the best idea either, even if they've become hated in the community.
yeah, esp given that Nan cheapened her image. you don't want to become the Nikocado Avocado of your genre. i actually suspect almost every DID YouTuber connected in some way to Nan will attempt to distance themselves publicly, if they talk about it at all. since DID thrives on sympathy points and being a victim, Nan is basically poisoned assets.

chloe would be dumb to potentially invite more scrutiny rn, and she seems [relatively] clever imo. she'll probably just larp with her friends and milk their sympathy til things blows over.

from what I gather, a big part of D.I.D is parts of your self manifesting as "literal people", so if she does have that kink, that part of her that would of "played pretend" manifested as an alter? or as mentioned, she believes it so much, it did. or she doesn't want to admit that? something dark and deviant, if she would become a psychotherapist, someone finding that out might be squicked. unless they have 30 kinks.
you guys are psychoanalyzing this shit way too hard. she just wants attention. nothing more, nothing less. from the timeline OP provided it looks like she deliberately manufactured an entire life story. so from my perspective, she's just better at acting and more charismatic than Nan. i think making youtube channels requires some degree of narcissism anyway imo. it's weirdly sad, I almost kinda wanted to believe her, or at least believe that she was sincere even if delusional. she seemed like a nice person, all things considered.

tho i'll admit this shit has made me wonder a couple times how many munchies have secret illness fetishes.

If we assume that DID is legit, people form child alters in order to deal with repeated abuse. They basically create another child to take the abuse for them, not because of kinks. People accuse Chloe of having a DDLG kink because her DID is bullshit and there are videos of Nan and her making out and getting handsy as "littles". The term little itself is also used in DDLG but I'm not deep enough in the DID rabbit hole to know if everyone refers to their child alters as such or if that's just Chloe's deviancy

EDIT: Sorry I misunderstood your post. I feel like Chloe mostly has child alters because they're just part of the package. If you have DID, you have to have had childhood trauma, which means you would have needed child alters to deal with them. It wouldn't surprise me if she really convinced herself she had the disorder.
i really wouldn't be surprised if chloe was just very eager to please. like i suspect she'd be the kinda girl who'd secretly get super flattered by a compliment from someone who spent the past hour negging her. i haven't watched a ton of vids, but she sometimes seemed kind of put off by Nan's "age sliding" or whatever. Like imagine flirting w your SO and they just suddenly start acting like a toddler, lmao. I did kind of get the sense that living around Nan might have fucked up her general mental state, though. Like even aside from the issue of having to live with Nan, I don't see how you can larp your mental illness fantasies incessantly without actually losing some grip on reality.
 
does anyone else pick up autism vibes on Nan? her vocal mannerisms remind me of my autistic cousin. can't tell if it's just her weird fake voice though.

I wondered that too. There's the slightly odd ways of speaking, plus a complete lack of boundaries or appropriate behaviour, acting/feeling much younger than their actual age and (fake DID symptoms aside) seeming obviously overwhelmed in public places in a way which, to me, didn't look faked in some of their videos. And I think someone else mentioned this already, but autistic women (or people born/raised as women) who aren't diagnosed in childhood often get misdiagnosed with personality disorders or have them comorbid with autism. Interestingly, I've read a lot of testimonies from autistic women (especially those who are also gay/bi) who reported feeling disconnected from any concept of gender, which checks out with the fact that Nan identifies as non-binary and has a lot of male "alters". This is possibly getting into tinfoil-hat territory but... yeah. Just an observation.
 
I did kind of get the sense that living around Nan might have fucked up her general mental state, though. Like even aside from the issue of having to live with Nan, I don't see how you can larp your mental illness fantasies incessantly without actually losing some grip on reality.

Oh, absolutely. She stopped being Chloe and became "Nin" during their relationship. Nan and Nin. That's not weird at all. Not to mention all the child rping she was suddenly okay with doing. That relationship was not good for neither of them and if they're really broken up it's for the best.
 
There are many posts in this thread which point to testimony from clinicians and other professionals who make it clear that DID is not manifested as "literal people".
Thats the point though, You know they are both full of shit when they claim thier "alters" are batshit tumblr stuff like werecats and have those cringy names. Its literally characters ripped straight out of a shitty fanfick written by an overwieght teenage shut in. Its quite transparant if you ask me, everything down to the ways in which these made up characters suposedly interact with each other in their heads. This is nanette in particualr though, but even so the whole thing comes across as one big creative writting plot from 2012.
 
There are many posts in this thread which point to testimony from clinicians and other professionals who make it clear that DID is not manifested as "literal people".
i know. but then the DIDtubers, like to make it sound like they are. both "parts of you" and "with their own volition/sense of self" and then literal people. such as in the case of Littles "no think of them as real children". and of course, the eye rolling "fictives are who they say they are"
 
Oh, absolutely. She stopped being Chloe and became "Nin" during their relationship. Nan and Nin. That's not weird at all. Not to mention all the child rping she was suddenly okay with doing. That relationship was not good for neither of them and if they're really broken up it's for the best.
I think the main reason the relationship wasn't good for them because it wasn't good for their facade. It seemed like it was harder for Chloe to maintain her storyline when she was around Nan. Nan age slides constantly and chloe never did until she was around Nan. It's like the second Nan puts on that baby voice Chloe answers in a baby voice. A ton of normal couples do a bit of love "baby talk" at times but Chloe has to be special and different so of course its "age sliding". When they're together it's a shitstorm because they can't control the urge to be all these characters interchangeably. The only thing that wasnt good about the relationship was that Nan made Chloe seem like a more obvious malingerer...and vice versa
 
I've found something delightful. When I noticed a trend of Chloe regurgitating the information from that lousy DID Research site and citing their sources verbatim, I started taking a look at her others sources. The format varies a lot when she's listing her sources, so I figured she was just copying and pasting them from one source. Which does seem to be the case.

A few examples:

Catatonia
Her sources that she totally researched and read herself.

Most of her PTSD videos use the same list of sources.
You can find those here.

Dissociation
The list of names cited is towards the beginning of the article in the same order.
This is a great post. Thought I'd add a couple of things while it's relatively chill here:
  1. The PTSD video linked above seems to actually have two sets of copy/pasted citations in the description. They are both from the PTSD-UK website. The citations from the beginning through the Shin LM, Rauch SL, & Pitman RK (2006) study are here (as previously noted.) The studies from then on seem to all be pulled from here (looks like she started at Bremner JD, Elzinga B, Schmal C & Vermetten E (2008 )). However, these citations are atrociously formatted, and it looks like she got confused at some point when copying and started misattributing the papers to the wrong people. She also double-cites the paper about Deceeased Premotor Cortex Volume in Victims of Urban Violence, but attributed each citation to different sets of authors. Yikes.
  2. It looks like the sources (and formatting) in the catatonia video are also grabbed from a couple of places. Obviously one has already been uncovered, but it looks like she peppered in all the citations from this Psychology Today article as well. The only citation I could not find attached to these two pages is a paper that she shoved into the "BOOKS" section of her resources list for some reason.
  3. I can look into this more if anyone gives a shit/finds this relevant, but if not I might as well just work on a different obsessive hobby, so let me know.
 
i know. but then the DIDtubers, like to make it sound like they are. both "parts of you" and "with their own volition/sense of self" and then literal people. such as in the case of Littles "no think of them as real children". and of course, the eye rolling "fictives are who they say they are"
Right, and it's complete nonsense. You have to look at it like all of it is nonsense.

There's a subsection of these people who admit they are LARPing, but believe their DID multiplicity is valid just the same. I don't doubt that some of these people have been deluded into this by therapists like Remy Aquarone, or may be actually schizophrenic, but the vast majority of them have manufactured this to be more interesting. Like Chloe, the boring, talentless, upper middle class girl.
 
Right, and it's complete nonsense. You have to look at it like all of it is nonsense.

There's a subsection of these people who admit they are LARPing, but believe their DID multiplicity is valid just the same. I don't doubt that some of these people have been deluded into this by therapists like Remy Aquarone, or may be actually schizophrenic, but the vast majority of them have manufactured this to be more interesting. Like Chloe, the boring, talentless, upper middle class girl.
oh, the endogenics? whew there's gonna be dumpster fires popping up if that's where this is heading.
 
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but the vast majority of them have manufactured this to be more interesting. Like Chloe, the boring, talentless, upper middle class girl.
Thats the zietgeist of this entire thread and any of the communities formed around symptoms of mental illness. Headmates was a classic example of sad and pathetic people essentially making a mockery of people who actually suffer from schizopherena. All the while all these people turn out to typically have too much money and free time and not enough friends in real life.
 
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