Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[ditto]

I agree, it is very effective

Then the rest doesn't matter.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Select parts of New York Cities Healthcare system were hit hard. Not even the entire city system. Sections of Queens, Brooklyn and the Bronx and their associated hospitals. With some stress out on Long Island as the locusts fled. Particularly in Eastern Suffolk. The larger Manhattan hospitals were not anywhere near capacity. The rest of New York State was viewed to be so well off that the Governor stripped Ventilators from them at gunpoint and has refused to send them test kits or PPE.

An Open Letter to Cuomo from one of the Upstate NY Radio Stations

An Open Letter to Governor Cuomo from WGY’s Kelly Lynch | News Radio 810 & 103.1 WGY | Chuck and Kelly

wgy.iheart.com

And the Radio station is not lying about Cuomo and the PPE. A friend is high ranked in Health Response in an upsate NY City. The State gave them 1 mask per medical staffer per week of n95 Masks. For the past month. And has only given them 600 test kits total. Which have been rationed to Hospital Personnel and First Responders.

This really upsets me. New York is so much more than New York City and it causes more divisiveness and inequality on top of the bad deal upstate NY already gets.

Yeah, that's because every state has different conditions and regulations. Things became serious more rapidly in places like New York and Illinois because they have more densely populated areas, but even relatively less populated regions have become hotspots or heavy strain & shortages on medical resources due to income disparity and state policy for handling the virus.

I actually view this as a difficulty for the US, because when a single state shits the bed from doing asinine shit, it sucks up massive resources nationally, which then weaken other states. We saw this acutely when New York state was in panic mode.


the type of people you're referring to wouldn't (and probably genuinely shouldn't) get healthcare if "things go back to normal" either because they'd be at risk and not in critical need of care, so this is a moot point as far as I'm concerned. unless by "back to normal" you really genuinely mean that we just pretend none of this is happening, in which case those people are certainly fucked, along with whatever people need inpatient care and are unable to receive it from overloaded hospital systems. you're just saying "there's a bad aspect to what we're doing now, so we should do this other thing instead" without any assessment of what bad aspects come from your own plan. There is no normal anymore. Longing for it to be doesn't change anything. It's just kind of sad for your own wellbeing, tbh.

do you not have any thoughts on a nationalized hospital option for underserviced areas? this problem exists normally in certain rural areas anyway, even without the virus. hospitals make more money setting up in bigger cities, so they don't bother wasting resources on those communities.

I don't know if people understand just how huge the outer boroughs are. All have nice wealthy areas but also large slums full of poor and recent immigrants/illegals. They're the people filling up hospitals in Queens, Brooklyn and the Bronx while folks in the sections of Riverdale, Brooklyn Heights and Forrest Hills are getting care either in Manhattan or in smaller hospitals in their respective areas. NYC is like five cities all rolled into one. The outer boroughs always suffer at the expense of Manhattan.

It's interesting but the group that benefit the most from healthcare are poor Dominican immigrants in uptown Manhattan. They are the ones most likely to get diagnosed and follow through with treatment and preventive care. No one knows why this is a thing.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Make it mandatory for voting and watch them change their minds in a nanosecond.

Wait. The whole damned point of an ID card is to make it easy to prove your citizenship and unify all those randomass papers you got (birth certificate, current residence, healthcare status, employment shit, criminal record) under one fucking number so you don't need complex TV style recognizing software and shit like that.

If it's not mandatory for voting, as in THE most important moment to verify your citizenship. Then when the fuck would it EVER be used?! And how do you guarantee it's citizens voting? Oh waiy this is the democrats we're talking about...

 

[northstar747]

Wait. The whole damned point of an ID card is to make it easy to prove your citizenship and unify all those randomass papers you got (birth certificate, current residence, healthcare status, employment shit, criminal record) under one fucking number so you don't need complex TV style recognizing software and shit like that.

If it's not mandatory for voting, as in THE most important moment to verify your citizenship. Then when the fuck would it EVER be used?! And how do you guarantee it's citizens voting? Oh waiy this is the democrats we're talking about...

So in the US were we have had a history of not letting certain people vote, ether by means of a poll tax or a "literacy test" or some nice folks doing "security" at the voting places. We have laws that make it so you dont need to show ID to vote.

Because the ID card isnt free you have to pay for it. So in theory requiring it will "disenfranchise" certain groups.

 

[Sped Xing]

Then make it free. Christ, it costs diddly and squat to make an ID card, even a fancy bechipped one.

 

[MrBlueSocks]

I agree, it is very effective, but when you really look at it, it offers nothing aside from "Pelosi is bad". It doesn't promote anything, it doesn't suggest a solution for anything, it doesn't support any course of action or demand anything.

Advertising, including political advertising is never about facts or logical arguments. It's all purely emotional manipulation. If you see something that looks like a logical argument, it's not, it's just a different technique of emotional manipulation. Straight into the lizard brain.

Maybe poltical arguments were fact based once upon a time, like when the franchise was limited to male property owners, and newspapers were the only mass media. But now it's all just trigger a feeling, and condition it to a stimulus.

 

[afternoon_tea]

What's the source on the antibody tests being innacurate because they test for all coronavirus antibodies and not just bat AIDS antibodies?

I've seen it mentioned a few places but I don't know where that info comes from.

Not that I doubt they'd fuck up with another test, but on the other hand, if it's picking up antibodies from garden variety cold coronaviruses, then the number testing positive seems way too low.

 

[Unog]

Then make it free. Christ, it costs diddly and squat to make an ID card, even a fancy bechipped one.

The argument then becomes "well that's racist because browns are too stupid/poor to be able to make it to the DMV!".

No, I'm not kidding.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Then make it free. Christ, it costs diddly and squat to make an ID card, even a fancy bechipped one.

A state ID is practically free already yet nogs can't be bothered to get one because racism and sheeit.

 

[northstar747]

A state ID is practically free already yet nogs can't be bothered to get one because racism and sheeit.

population of california is about 40 million times that by the ID card fee of 30 dollars and thats 1.2 billion in state revenue. why give that up when you can just not make an ID required for voting.

Also in the south there were true and honest barriers to keep groups disenfranchised, also when some one registers to vote thats when you do the "check" to see if they are allowed to vote, and put on the rolls there should be no need to check ability during the political event.

Personally I think what can increase participation is allow early voting and vote by mail. I think not being able to take time off of work, is a bigger barrier than a 30 dollar fee.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Advertising, including political advertising is never about facts or logical arguments. It's all purely emotional manipulation. If you see something that looks like a logical argument, it's not, it's just a different technique of emotional manipulation. Straight into the lizard brain.

Maybe poltical arguments were fact based once upon a time, like when the franchise was limited to male property owners, and newspapers were the only mass media. But now it's all just trigger a feeling, and condition it to a stimulus.

The point isn't that it's only appealing to emotion without presenting facts, the point is that it has absolutely no content in doing so.

The spot does not offer anything besides a very shallow "Pelosi is bad" statement. Nothing. Not even a vapid "Trump supports the people of the US" or similarly inane positive statement.
Ads always try to evoke emotions, that's absolutely nothing new, but this ad manages to be devoid of any content, you don't even find the most empty, generic, braindead message.
It doesn't even contrast its shallow criticisim of Pelosi with any equally shallow praise for Trump. It's an ad that strictly speaking isn't even in support of any kind of content.

 

[Unog]

Personally I think what can increase participation is allow early voting and vote by mail. I think not being able to take time off of work, is a bigger barrier than a 30 dollar fee.

Election day being a Federal holiday wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

The argument then becomes "well that's racist because browns are too stupid/poor to be able to make it to the DMV!".

No, I'm not kidding.

Ami Horowitz: How white liberals really view black voters

Ami on the Street: Are voter ID laws racist and suppress the black vote? Satirist Ami Horowtiz goes to UC Berkeley and Harlem to find out

www.youtube.com

https://archive.vn/kQ8Xw

"Voters will cling bitterly/to the good old DR3"

Also a Spectator article on Sweden's policies

The Swedish experiment looks like it's paying off | The Spectator

Two weeks ago, I wrote about ‘the Swedish experiment’ in The Spectator. As the world went into lockdown, Sweden opted for a different approach to tackling coronavirus: cities, schools and restaurants have remained open. This was judged by critics to be utterly foolish: it would allow the virus...

www.spectator.co.uk

https://archive.vn/nHQoS

So everyone was already set up for gloomy reading about the economic outlook when the government unveiled its new budget last week. Still, the experience was grim. In the main scenario, our national output will decline by 4 per cent this year, taking unemployment up to 9 per cent and the fiscal deficit to 3.8 per cent of the gross domestic product.

The only silver lining is that it could have been worse. We are pretty far away from the levels of economic decline predicted for most lockdown countries. In fact, the Swedish economic situation looks sensationally positive when compared to the ghastly reports and scenarios elsewhere. Cash turnover indicators, for instance, suggest that personal consumption in Denmark and Finland has dropped by 66 and 70 per cent respectively – compared to less than 30 per cent in Sweden. Unemployment benefit claims in Norway has shot through the roof and grown four times as fast as in Sweden. Fiscal deficits in the UK and the US are likely to be in the region of 12 to 15 per cent. Last week’s economic scenario from the OBR suggested that Britain’s GDP could drop by almost 13 per cent this year.

 

[Not Really Here]

the large surplus we have now is influenced by the price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia, which was initially sparked due to falling demand. this caused a trading competition, because they both require oil export for their economy. Instead of going along with the natural supply/demand they both refused to set reasonable production rates and made huge price cuts in order to take control of market share.

My "bias" is against stupid people doing stupid analysis.
-"OMG price war"
"Dude it's not a price war when only one party reduces prices in an attempt to get another party to get in line and neither increase production"
-"UR dumb LOLZ"
Sure cool story.

December global usage was just over 100 million barrels a day, today it's in the high 80's.
NO OPEC+ (OPEC and Russia) DEAL EVER CONSIDERED REDUCING PRODUCTION BY OVER 10 MILLION BARRELS A DAY.
OPEC and Russia bickering over future production that won't hit destination countries for months in the future have zero effect on supertankers loaded over a month ago filling all global storage.

Christ, oil contracts can be bought up to 9 years in the future, put another way, some of the contracts they were dumping yesterday were created and signed years ago and have zero to do with MBS beating Putin into line while Putin just takes it.



God save me from day traders who base their investing on 'OPEC controls the price' memes from the '70's that ignore the built in lag of moving megatons of product on a daily basis, the current global restriction of energy usage by billions of humans and (in normal circumstances) U.S. shale production.

idk why this hard for you to understand. Have you heard of the prisoner's dilemma? Saudi Arabia and Russia themselves aren't hiding that this occurred so it's truly weird to me that you're acting skeptical. Are you arab or smth? pls explain your bias.

Could easily be restated as 'But Saudi Arabia and Russia aren't admitting that they are powerless to adjust the amount of already shipped oil so why are you?'

Because I have a brain and I don't use the .com analysis of writers with a total net worth of $50 grand.

 

[Sped Xing]

Why in God's name would I want to increase voter participation?

 

[Not Really Here]

lol as far as professions go, healthcare workers are in a better place for keeping their job than most. it's actually the opposite in most states, there are shortages of healthcare professionals and certain regions.

btw since previous poster conflated "1000 deaths" with "1000 cases,"

That only happened in your mind.

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

That only happened in your mind.

yeah I mean I might of misunderstood what your point was, but when I read it it kind of sounded like you were conflating the two:

In the US they have shut down most medical care to reserve space for WuFlu cases.
Even in states with under 1,000 total cases.
California with almost the population of the UK is shut down with under 1,100 dead.

sorry if you weren't really trying to mean this. tbh the reason i brought it up was mainly because I think people focus so too much on "death totals," which gives a really narrow view of what's actually happening. and even though the death rate is worrying, it isn't the primary concern for epidemiologists. the ease of transmission, long incubation period and long recovery time in ICU are the big issues from an epidemic perspective. plus, there's still a large, unfilled demand for testing and we probably won't get a rough idea of the projected numbers for a long time. when people focus on death numbers to make claims on what we should or shouldn't do, it just doesn't make much sense.

 

[Drain Todger]

COVID-19 turned these two Chinese doctors' skin black because it damaged their livers so badly.

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25397/20200420/chinese-doctors-coronavirus-victims-find-skin-turning-black-due-to-liver-damage-and-certain-medications.htm

Chinese Doctors Turned Coronavirus Victims Find Their Skin Turning Bl…

archived 21 Apr 2020 13:20:23 UTC

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I see the communist policy of handing out free tans is alive and well. Man, I'm jealous. They're gettin' the spa treatment and everything.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

COVID-19 turned these two Chinese doctors' skin black because it damaged their livers so badly.

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25397/20200420/chinese-doctors-coronavirus-victims-find-skin-turning-black-due-to-liver-damage-and-certain-medications.htm

http://archive.li/WoGQF

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I see the communist policy of handing out free tans is alive and well. Man, I'm jealous. They're gettin' the spa treatment and everything.

@Otterly went over this already, that's probably a drug or the ECmO that caused iron to turn them temporarily into niggers or something.

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

"Genuinely shouldn't get healthcare" ... ? You mean like routine checkups (which all healthcare professionals recommend, depending on what your needs are), which help people know what their overall health is and what steps they need to take to stay healthy?

yes, healthcare professionals do generally recommend routine checkups... but specifically when there isn't a fast-spreading deadly virus running around for which we have almost no herd immunity for.

for real, if you're generally feeling well and don't have any serious underlining medical issues that require attention, you don't need to go in for "routine checkups" lmao. humans have managed fine for years without these luxuries, and hell, like I pointed out, there are are many people in the US who don't have access to that kind of thing during normal times anyway. You don't have to explain to me the importance of checkups, I study cancer with NIH collaborators ffs. But this is a risk management issue.

it's funny how this thread was so balls to the wall preventative and apocalyptic until the CDC stopped lying and it was publicly recognized as a threat. what, it's only cool to care until it hits mainstream? this chat's getting soft. how are you supposed to seize the means of monetary policy if you're just going to offer yourself up as tribute? pansies, the lot of ya.