Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

Status
Not open for further replies.
Why in God's name would I want to increase voter participation?

Every major election Reddit plasters its site with notices telling people that it's election day and they need to go vote. It's couched in this disgustingly fake patriotism when in reality its election manipulation. If you are so detached from politics that you don't even know what day the vote is, I DON'T WANT you voting. You are the lowest of low-information voters and you can only do harm.

There is absolutely no question that if low-information voters skewed republican Reddit would not engage in this behavior.
 
Late news roundup. I don't know about the hospital but things seem OK. I don't know because the whole morning has been spent dealing witb that utter mess with the turns of laundry. Honestly, the engineer's being an absolute fucking cockmonster about it. His timetable is awful. But Ferdinand is overreacting like a cunt too. Yes your timeline is better. Yes your boss is a dick. Yes I get it. But this should not be escalated to the fucking media. Are we insane or what?! YES HE SERIOUSLY WANTS US TO GO TO THE MEDIA WITH A PUBLIC DEMAND JUST BECAUSE THE ENGINEER'S AN ASSHOLE. So on one side we got the engineer with directive support saying people should obey and STFU. And on the other we got ferdinand with the support of almost all of the cleaning staff practically ready to overthrow the fucking burgeoise. OVER A FUCKING TIMETABLE. I feel like we're the country's top tardwranglers and got sent in fucking bombdefusal gear to stand between two groups of severely mentally challenged, heavily armed autists waging guerrilla warfare on each other. I. Hate. Everyone involved!

I haven't had time to check the numbers but if everyone's got enough time to waste on this shit they gotta be great.

So in the US were we have had a history of not letting certain people vote, ether by means of a poll tax or a "literacy test" or some nice folks doing "security" at the voting places. We have laws that make it so you dont need to show ID to vote.

Because the ID card isnt free you have to pay for it. So in theory requiring it will "disenfranchise" certain groups.

The idea that an ID card would cost money is absolutely appaling to me. You have to pay the state to do their job?! THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE TAXES FOR?! If the thing that determines who is a citizen isn't a core fucking part of state bureaucracy then I don't even know what is!

Then make it free. Christ, it costs diddly and squat to make an ID card, even a fancy bechipped one.

And yeah that's another thing.
-piece of plastic: a few cents
-"chip" (in the loosest sense, it's a magnetic thingimajic in chip form) a few cents
-ink, so long as it's not fucking printing cartridges or made by games workshop, a few cents
-manpower: literally just like 4 seconds out of some bored mofo's excess time. A few cents unless public wages are INSANE.

Are you really telling me the state can't spare that shit?!

The argument then becomes "well that's racist because browns are too stupid/poor to be able to make it to the DMV!".

No, I'm not kidding.

Well I don't see the backside to keeping idiots from voting. Oh wait democrats.

A state ID is practically free already yet nogs can't be bothered to get one because racism and sheeit.

So instead of forcing them to face their preconception if they want to participate in grownup activities, america would rather reinforce said notion and let them stay infantile. See. This clears up a lot of why their criminality is through the fucking roof right here.

population of california is about 40 million times that by the ID card fee of 30 dollars and thats 1.2 billion in state revenue. why give that up when you can just not make an ID required for voting.

Also in the south there were true and honest barriers to keep groups disenfranchised, also when some one registers to vote thats when you do the "check" to see if they are allowed to vote, and put on the rolls there should be no need to check ability during the political event.

Personally I think what can increase participation is allow early voting and vote by mail. I think not being able to take time off of work, is a bigger barrier than a 30 dollar fee.

30. Fucking. Dollars. My face is so red I could be used to heat the sun. See before this point I didn't get why other countries didn't get out of that "muh ID is evuhl" shit, I mean, I can see the connotation but it really only changes how long the cop has to be looking at the database, they're gonna identify you anyway you can only choose between it being a long process or a short process.

Now I get why they don't do it. And I hate them for it. This. This right here. Is fucking abhorrent. IDs make the STATE's job easier, for the citizen they're at best a commodity for extreme circumstances, it's the state that benefits the most. Making the citizenry pay 30 FUCKING BUCKS to make your job easier. God fucking damnit burgerland keeps finding ways to trigger me to no end.
 
yeah I mean I might of misunderstood what your point was, but when I read it it kind of sounded like you were conflating the two:



sorry if you weren't really trying to mean this. tbh the reason i brought it up was mainly because I think people focus so too much on "death totals," which gives a really narrow view of what's actually happening. and even though the death rate is worrying, it isn't the primary concern for epidemiologists. the ease of transmission, long incubation period and long recovery time in ICU are the big issues from an epidemic perspective. plus, there's still a large, unfilled demand for testing and we probably won't get a rough idea of the projected numbers for a long time. when people focus on death numbers to make claims on what we should or shouldn't do, it just doesn't make much sense.
California has over 80,000 hospital beds and your "34k confirmed cases" doesn't count the fact they may have undercounted the cases by 50 to 80 times the actual number of infections (Archive) in the state that was probably the first infected in the US that currently has under 1,100 deaths.

Even their ICU cases aren't really pushing capacity.
CA ICU beds.PNG

Source / Archive
 
Now I get why they don't do it. And I hate them for it. This. This right here. Is fucking abhorrent. IDs make the STATE's job easier, for the citizen they're at best a commodity for extreme circumstances, it's the state that benefits the most. Making the citizenry pay 30 FUCKING BUCKS to make your job easier. God fucking damnit burgerland keeps finding ways to trigger me to no end.

Agreed on this point. Government IDs should never come with a charge (aside from some trivial fee for loss replacements). It's YOUR ID don't make me pay for it.
 
....
The idea that an ID card would cost money is absolutely appaling to me. You have to pay the state to do their job?! THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE TAXES FOR?! If the thing that determines who is a citizen isn't a core fucking part of state bureaucracy then I don't even know what is!

....
And yeah that's another thing.
-piece of plastic: a few cents
-"chip" (in the loosest sense, it's a magnetic thingimajic in chip form) a few cents
-ink, so long as it's not fucking printing cartridges or made by games workshop, a few cents
-manpower: literally just like 4 seconds out of some bored mofo's excess time. A few cents unless public wages are INSANE.

Are you really telling me the state can't spare that shit?!
...
You are arguing against a disingenuous straw man (granted, not built by you). Anyone who would be too poor to pay for the ID would also qualify for government assistance. Can't get this assistance (or buy alcohol, medicine, drive a car etc) without government issued ID and would have bigger problems and screaming about starving and not getting their food stamps.
So no, poor people would not be deterred from voting by voting ID laws. Democrats oppose voting ID requirement since they get illegals vote en mass for them and they bus people around to vote in multiple polling stations.
 
Agreed on this point. Government IDs should never come with a charge (aside from some trivial fee for loss replacements). It's YOUR ID don't make me pay for it.

Ya, can see a nominal fee, maybe $5, at most. But as far as needing a valid ID of some sort to vote, agree. Need an ID to do a whole bunch of things, so why not for voting? Driver's license would be fine, as would military/Federal ID. Government employee ID could work, maybe ID from certain employers. Not a show-stopper to me. If the ID would work to board a plane, it would work for voting.

A while back mentioned that I believed the ChiCom flu would hurt the military readiness of just about every country, to varying extents. Here, you now have 15,000 Russian troops, the equivalent of nearly a full US division, on quarantine.






Well, looking at the wsj.com site, oil is all of $1.72/barrel. Beats being in negative territory.



Added: Interesting article about the financial difficulties many colleges/universities are facing due to the ChiCom Flu. But I only see the obvious cost-saving measure of cutting administrators mentioned just once. If these schools are REALLY serious about their financial futures, start tossing all the administrative no-loads in "diversity", "multiculturalism", etc., admin jobs, and cut useless majors like "women's studies", "peace studies", etc.





One more..we called this a while back. These governors need to get moving. Do things smartly but at least let people know you're making the effort. Do it before you can't control the pushbacks.



 
Last edited:
You are arguing against a disingenuous straw man (granted, not built by you). Anyone who would be too poor to pay for the ID would also qualify for government assistance. Can't get this assistance (or buy alcohol, medicine, drive a car etc) without government issued ID and would have bigger problems and screaming about starving and not getting their food stamps.
So no, poor people would not be deterred from voting by voting ID laws. Democrats oppose voting ID requirement since they get illegals vote en mass for them and they bus people around to vote in multiple polling stations.

You don't get it. My point is that making the citizen pay, no matter how little, to do paperwork and take photos to obtain a card they will have to carry on them to make the state's job easier. Is absolutely abhorrent to me on principle alone. Even if it was a single god damned cent.

The rest of what you explained is even more abhorrent. But you know. That's just more hurt to add to this pile of awful.

Honestly right now I am realizing I am getting genuinely offended and it might be because after this morning tism apocalypse I'm just not all there so I'mma go lay down and relax with some Poirot, but you muricans need to get your ID and voting laws fixed already, that shit's vile.
 
You are arguing against a disingenuous straw man (granted, not built by you). Anyone who would be too poor to pay for the ID would also qualify for government assistance. Can't get this assistance (or buy alcohol, medicine, drive a car etc) without government issued ID and would have bigger problems and screaming about starving and not getting their food stamps.
So no, poor people would not be deterred from voting by voting ID laws. Democrats oppose voting ID requirement since they get illegals vote en mass for them and they bus people around to vote in multiple polling stations.
True but still doesn't counter the principle that if government requires ID they they need to provide it at no charge.
 
There is absolutely no question that if low-information voters skewed republican Reddit would not engage in this behavior.

Redditors are awful but they're not 'low information voters'. LIV means people who don't pay attention to politics. Redditors are the opposite of this - they pay a lot of attention to politics, it's just that they get their information from highly slanted sources. I'd say that they're more like wannabe or junior members of an elite and they tend to doggedly defend elite values.

William F Buckley Jr famously observed that he'd rather live in a society governed by the first 1000 names in the Boston phone directory than the faculty of Havard. He was alluding to the fact that a lot of ideas he considered very bad - socialism for example - were the unchallengeable conventional wisdom at Harvard but most ordinary folks were more skeptical.

I think since his time the number of things that have become unchallengeable convention wisdom which you must at least claim to believe in in order to stay a member of the elite has grown. See James Damore for example. He was an autistic programmer who got shitcanned for challenging Google's approach to gender equality even though just a few years ago he would probably have got away with it. Or look at the gender self identification stuff. If you've still got a corporate job you know that challenging this sort of thing publically is going to wreck your career prospects. Ten years ago almost no one believed in this stuff, now if you challenge it you're screwed.
 
An Harvard professional is worried about the popularity of homeschooling thanks to Corona-chan. I think she's afraid then she couldn't indoctrinate them.


A RAPIDLY INCREASING number of American families are opting out of sending their children to school, choosing instead to educate them at home. Homeschooled kids now account for roughly 3 percent to 4 percent of school-age children in the United States, a number equivalent to those attending charter schools, and larger than the number currently in parochial schools.
Yet Elizabeth Bartholet, Wasserstein public interest professor of law and faculty director of the Law School’s Child Advocacy Program, sees risks for children—and society—in homeschooling, and recommends a presumptive ban on the practice. Homeschooling, she says, not only violates children’s right to a “meaningful education” and their right to be protected from potential child abuse, but may keep them from contributing positively to a democratic society.
 
Well, looking at the wsj.com site, oil is all of $1.72/barrel. Beats being in negative territory.

This was an interesting read (as seen on another forum, no sauce listed)

Why Oil Is $1 a Barrel Now but Much More in Autumn

The price for a barrel of West Texas Intermediate crude to be delivered next month plunged 93% to $1.21 in Monday’s trading, the lowest price since the futures contract was launched in 1983. If that barrel were to be delivered to a buyer in November, it would be worth more than twenty five times as much.

The unusually large difference in price between oil now and then has traders filling up tankers and setting them adrift. The bet is that the coronavirus pandemic runs its course and later this year demand for oil—and thus its price—will jump.

Some may have little else to do with their oil other than put it on a boat, given the historic collapse in transportation fuel demand that has accompanied shelter-in-place orders around the world aimed at slowing the spread of the deadly virus. Producers have been running out of places to send crude as refineries choke back their output to match the meager demand for gasoline or jet fuel.

The price gap widened Monday with expiration of the May futures contract set for Tuesday. The price of oil futures converge with the price of actual barrels of oil as the delivery date of the contracts approach.

“If you can find storage, you can make good money,” said Reid I’Anson, economist for market-data firm Kpler Inc.

Increasingly, traders are looking offshore. Lease rates have soared for very large crude carriers, the 2-million-barrel high-seas behemoths known as VLCCs.

The average day rate for a VLCC on a six-month contract is about $100,000, up from $29,000 a year ago, according to Jefferies analyst Randy Giveans. Yearlong contracts are about $72,500 a day, compared with $30,500 a year ago. Spot charter rates have risen sixfold, to nearly $150,000 a day.

Day rates rise as the spread between oil-futures contracts widens. The basic math is that every dollar in the six-month spread equates to an additional $10,000 a day that can be paid for a VLCC over that time without wiping out all the oil-price gains, Mr. Giveans said.

May delivery futures of Brent crude, the international benchmark typically used to price waterborne oil, ended Friday at $28.08 a barrel. The contract for November delivery settled at $37.17. The $9.09 difference wouldn’t justify a $100,000 day rate, but the record spread of $13.45 reached on March 31 does.

At the end of March there were about 109 million barrels of oil stowed at sea, according to Kpler. By Friday it was up to 141 million barrels.

The collapse in current oil prices, combined with the expectations that a lot of economic activity will resume by autumn, has resulted in a market condition called contango—in which prices for a commodity are higher in the future than they are in the present.

One of the great trades in modern history involved steep contango and a lot of oil tankers. In 1990, Phibro, the oil-trading arm of Salomon Brothers, loaded tankers with cheap crude just before Iraq invaded neighboring Kuwait and crude prices surged. The trade’s architect, Andy Hall, became known for a $100 million payday and bought a century-old castle in Germany.

Present market conditions have inspired emulators.

In the past four weeks, nearly 50 long-term contracts have been signed for VLCCs, Mr. Giveans said. Jefferies has identified more than 30 of them as being intended for storage, usually because they are leased without discharge locations. The coast of South Africa offers popular anchorage since it is relatively equidistant to markets in Asia, Europe and the Americas.

“We’ve seen more floating-storage contracts signed for 12 months in last three weeks than we’ve seen in the last three years,” Mr. Giveans said.

Companies that own and operate pipelines and oil-storage facilities could gain as well.

Consider the difference between Friday’s prices for West Texas Intermediate to be delivered in May, which was $18.27 a barrel, and in May 2021, which closed at $35.52: A $17.25 spread could be locked in by buying contracts for oil to be delivered next month and then selling contracts for delivery a year later.

Assuming monthly costs for storage owners of 10 cents a barrel—as Bernstein Research analysts did when they ran back-of-the-envelope storage math in a recent note to clients—leaves a profit of $16.05 a barrel.

Companies don’t usually disclose unused storage capacity, but it is possible that bigger players such as Energy Transfer LP, Enterprise Products Partners LP and Plains All American Pipeline LP could have room for tens of millions of barrels, the Bernstein analysts said.

- - - - - - -

So basically, if you could find somewhere to put the shit right now, you could make major bank this fall. Kiwi Farms Supertanker, anyone?
And while not a tree-hugger, it doesn't seem like anyone is considering the environmental ramifications of having all this crude oil sitting in supertankers in the meantime. All's it would take is (due to either terrorism or mechanical failure) for a couple of these supertankers to go tits up and it would make the Exxon Valdez spill look like a tiny dog and pony show.

CoronaChan could certainly work in other ways to off the population.
 
COVID-19 turned these two Chinese doctors' skin black because it damaged their livers so badly.



View attachment 1245356

I see the communist policy of handing out free tans is alive and well. Man, I'm jealous. They're gettin' the spa treatment and everything.


No wonder they're rounding up all the Africans. They are clearly infected!
 
So long term effects are hitting the hospital. Hiring freeze along with a suspension of upcoming pay increase negotiations. OT has also been shut down across the board. Why? No money coming in and having to fund everyone who is missing work. Hope everyone enjoyed the gravy train while it lasted, the frills are going away.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back