The Mysterious Mr. Enter / Jonathan Rozanski's "Growing Around" - IndieGoGo Campaign Failed, John going off the deep end, "Turning Red" is ignorant about 9/11 (later retracted)

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He's showing 1920s because 1940s GA would be to controversial.
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Child Hitler was so thirsty he drank over six million juice boxes. There weren't enough in Germany to satiate him so he had to invade the rest of Europe to steal theirs. All the little German kids wanted to hang out with Hitler because he was the only leader in the entire world that would let the boys wear shiny boots and cool uniforms instead of dresses. Hitler and all his friends built a very special camp for the adults, and this was so successful that the rest of the world adopted the practice and still uses such facilities to this day.
 
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coach_mclurk said:
This may have been brought up before but I'm reminded about how Enter wants 175 episodes total. With his rate of $350,000 per episode multiplied by 175, that comes to $61,250,000. That is absurd to think a small time youtube critic can get a budget like that with or without network backing.

In addition to that, it took Spongebob 13 years to reach that many episodes. Can anyone imagine Enter competently running a show for that long? When he can't even run a kickstarter well for a month.
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Without a network, Enter can't even produce 175 episodes in 13 years. Unless he splits up several animation studios to do different episodes, which he wouldn't be smart enough to do, going off the 9-month production schedule, the show would take 131 fucking years to be completed.

And keep in mind, most SpongeBob episodes are 11 minutes. Hell, the fifth season had episodes ranging from 4 to 7 minutes. Enter wants Growing Around episodes to be 22-26 minutes long.
 
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Tragedy of the Senate said:
Without a network, Enter can't even produce 175 episodes in 13 years. Unless he splits up several animation studios to do different episodes, which he wouldn't be smart enough to do, going off the 9-month production schedule, the show would take 131 fucking years to be completed.

And keep in mind, most SpongeBob episodes are 11 minutes. Hell, the fifth season had episodes ranging from 4 to 7 minutes. Enter wants Growing Around episodes to be 22-26 minutes long.
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Also he would need a lot of money to pay the animators and a lot to pay voice actors too given Enter has a ton of characters in his show.
 
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Tragedy of the Senate said:
Without a network, Enter can't even produce 175 episodes in 13 years. Unless he splits up several animation studios to do different episodes, which he wouldn't be smart enough to do, going off the 9-month production schedule, the show would take 131 fucking years to be completed.

And keep in mind, most SpongeBob episodes are 11 minutes. Hell, the fifth season had episodes ranging from 4 to 7 minutes. Enter wants Growing Around episodes to be 22-26 minutes long.
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Most of his scripts can't even fill 22 minutes anyway. A lot of them are the length of your typical 11-12 minute episode, but you wouldn't know that because Enter purposefully ignores the three-act structure because as he said the traditional script is "too limiting"
 
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Is owning property that much of a foreign concept?
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to someone who has never owned any property or any thing like a car, or bills like Enter or some other NEET, property is just a magical word to sound important like saying your nudes and poorly drawn artwork are your property and shouldn't be copied and distributed around the internet when you put them there in the first place
 
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Tragedy of the Senate said:
Without a network, Enter can't even produce 175 episodes in 13 years. Unless he splits up several animation studios to do different episodes, which he wouldn't be smart enough to do, going off the 9-month production schedule, the show would take 131 fucking years to be completed.
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Bear in mind, not all those nine months are spent on animation. At any given moment, one episode could be in sound design, the next could be in character animation, the next could be in storyboards, the next could be in concept design and insert however many other steps here. Even with only one studio, there's overlap between different departments. I've seen shows that work with only one studio release 3-6 episodes a year, depending on complexity. So instead of 131 fucking years, Growing Around would take... 30 to 60 fucking years. Of course, this runs on the assumption that Enter has the brainpower to delegate several episodes at once.

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Most of his scripts can't even fill 22 minutes anyway. A lot of them are the length of your typical 11-12 minute episode, but you wouldn't know that because Enter purposefully ignores the three-act structure because as he said the traditional script is "too limiting"
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Funny you should mention that. A long while back (like, late summer 2019), I combed through some of Enter's scripts in a real script editor to find the runtime for each of them (Lord forbid I time myself reading those things.) After reformatting all the dialogue, here are my results for Season 1a.

TRT = pagecount / 1.5
  1. Max's Many Birthdays - 35 pages, TRT 23:20
  2. Class Is Now In Question - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  3. House Keepers - 28 pages, TRT 18:40
  4. Space Age Love Song - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  5. Society of the Treasure Trackers - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  6. Detention Prevention - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  7. Wild Child - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  8. Legend of Sally: Quest for Eternity - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  9. Over the Fence - 19 pages, TRT 12:40
  10. Big Sister April - 29 pages, TRT 19:20
  11. Jinxed - 29 pages, TRT 19:20
  12. Social Studies - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  13. Dunn vs. Dunn - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  14. The "B" Word - 30 pages, TRT 20:00
  15. Tales of Childhood Past - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  16. Picture Day - 23 pages, TRT 15:20
  17. Pirate Peril - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  18. The Attack of the Chameleon! - 26 pages, TRT 17:20
  19. Pinks and Blues - 26 pages, TRT 17:20
  20. My Sister, the Pet Sitter - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  21. Summerway Spitballs: Changing My Mind - 32 pages, TRT 21:20
  22. Sally & Delilah - 17 pages, TRT 11:20
  23. A Minnie-Special Over-Dunn (Combined 3-Parter) - 99 pages, TRT 1:06:00

The common theme I've noticed is "Too much content for 11 minutes, but not enough to fill 22."
 
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Icarus B. Nezzer said:
Bear in mind, not all those nine months are spent on animation. At any given moment, one episode could be in sound design, the next could be in character animation, the next could be in storyboards, the next could be in concept design and insert however many other steps here. Even with only one studio, there's overlap between different departments. I've seen shows that work with only one studio release 3-6 episodes a year, depending on complexity. So instead of 131 fucking years, Growing Around would take... 30 to 60 fucking years. Of course, this runs on the assumption that Enter has the brainpower to delegate several episodes at once.



Funny you should mention that. A long while back (like, late summer 2019), I combed through some of Enter's scripts in a real script editor to find the runtime for each of them (Lord forbid I time myself reading those things.) After reformatting all the dialogue, here are my results for Season 1a.

TRT = pagecount / 1.5
  1. Max's Many Birthdays - 35 pages, TRT 23:20
  2. Class Is Now In Question - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  3. House Keepers - 28 pages, TRT 18:40
  4. Space Age Love Song - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  5. Society of the Treasure Trackers - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  6. Detention Prevention - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  7. Wild Child - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  8. Legend of Sally: Quest for Eternity - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  9. Over the Fence - 19 pages, TRT 12:40
  10. Big Sister April - 29 pages, TRT 19:20
  11. Jinxed - 29 pages, TRT 19:20
  12. Social Studies - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  13. Dunn vs. Dunn - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  14. The "B" Word - 30 pages, TRT 20:00
  15. Tales of Childhood Past - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  16. Picture Day - 23 pages, TRT 15:20
  17. Pirate Peril - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  18. The Attack of the Chameleon! - 26 pages, TRT 17:20
  19. Pinks and Blues - 26 pages, TRT 17:20
  20. My Sister, the Pet Sitter - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  21. Summerway Spitballs: Changing My Mind - 32 pages, TRT 21:20
  22. Sally & Delilah - 17 pages, TRT 11:20
  23. A Minnie-Special Over-Dunn (Combined 3-Parter) - 99 pages, TRT 1:06:00

The common theme I've noticed is "Too much content for 11 minutes, but not enough to fill 22."
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Mind telling me what program you used? That could actually come in handy.
 
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Mind telling me what program you used? That could actually come in handy.
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Any basic scriptwriting program will do the trick, but I used Celtx. The process was pretty tedious though, and I didn't even bother with scene headings because it wouldn't add much to the pagecount. Still looks more professional than anything Enter's willing to do.
 

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Icarus B. Nezzer said:
Bear in mind, not all those nine months are spent on animation. At any given moment, one episode could be in sound design, the next could be in character animation, the next could be in storyboards, the next could be in concept design and insert however many other steps here. Even with only one studio, there's overlap between different departments. I've seen shows that work with only one studio release 3-6 episodes a year, depending on complexity. So instead of 131 fucking years, Growing Around would take... 30 to 60 fucking years. Of course, this runs on the assumption that Enter has the brainpower to delegate several episodes at once.



Funny you should mention that. A long while back (like, late summer 2019), I combed through some of Enter's scripts in a real script editor to find the runtime for each of them (Lord forbid I time myself reading those things.) After reformatting all the dialogue, here are my results for Season 1a.

TRT = pagecount / 1.5
  1. Max's Many Birthdays - 35 pages, TRT 23:20
  2. Class Is Now In Question - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  3. House Keepers - 28 pages, TRT 18:40
  4. Space Age Love Song - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  5. Society of the Treasure Trackers - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  6. Detention Prevention - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  7. Wild Child - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  8. Legend of Sally: Quest for Eternity - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  9. Over the Fence - 19 pages, TRT 12:40
  10. Big Sister April - 29 pages, TRT 19:20
  11. Jinxed - 29 pages, TRT 19:20
  12. Social Studies - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  13. Dunn vs. Dunn - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  14. The "B" Word - 30 pages, TRT 20:00
  15. Tales of Childhood Past - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  16. Picture Day - 23 pages, TRT 15:20
  17. Pirate Peril - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  18. The Attack of the Chameleon! - 26 pages, TRT 17:20
  19. Pinks and Blues - 26 pages, TRT 17:20
  20. My Sister, the Pet Sitter - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  21. Summerway Spitballs: Changing My Mind - 32 pages, TRT 21:20
  22. Sally & Delilah - 17 pages, TRT 11:20
  23. A Minnie-Special Over-Dunn (Combined 3-Parter) - 99 pages, TRT 1:06:00

The common theme I've noticed is "Too much content for 11 minutes, but not enough to fill 22."
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I assumed there would be a little overlap, but I didn't know it worked like that, so that's cool to know. I just don't think Enter's competent enough to manage and direct more than one episode at a time. He struggled getting short reviews of Nickelodeon shows with the most minimal editing out. He's just lazy, and with Growing Around, he'll get burnt out at some point. Then he'll try to make an excuse to not work for a while, realising that that stuff doesn't fly in the real world.

Considering how much Enter talks about that Pinks and Blues episode, I'm surprised it's one of the shorter scripts. Same with Society of the Treasure Trackers and even The B Word. These are what he considers his best episodes, so I would've expected him to make them as bloated as possible.
That theme of too long to use 11 minutes yet too short to make it to 22 is an accurate observation. Enter said in the commentary that brevity was his weakness and that shows hard. Especially in that crossover episode. There is not enough engaging content to fill 30 minutes let alone an hour. It's just April fucking with unicorns and Sally being in a diaper.
 
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Icarus B. Nezzer said:
Bear in mind, not all those nine months are spent on animation. At any given moment, one episode could be in sound design, the next could be in character animation, the next could be in storyboards, the next could be in concept design and insert however many other steps here. Even with only one studio, there's overlap between different departments. I've seen shows that work with only one studio release 3-6 episodes a year, depending on complexity. So instead of 131 fucking years, Growing Around would take... 30 to 60 fucking years. Of course, this runs on the assumption that Enter has the brainpower to delegate several episodes at once.



Funny you should mention that. A long while back (like, late summer 2019), I combed through some of Enter's scripts in a real script editor to find the runtime for each of them (Lord forbid I time myself reading those things.) After reformatting all the dialogue, here are my results for Season 1a.

TRT = pagecount / 1.5
  1. Max's Many Birthdays - 35 pages, TRT 23:20
  2. Class Is Now In Question - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  3. House Keepers - 28 pages, TRT 18:40
  4. Space Age Love Song - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  5. Society of the Treasure Trackers - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  6. Detention Prevention - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  7. Wild Child - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  8. Legend of Sally: Quest for Eternity - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  9. Over the Fence - 19 pages, TRT 12:40
  10. Big Sister April - 29 pages, TRT 19:20
  11. Jinxed - 29 pages, TRT 19:20
  12. Social Studies - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  13. Dunn vs. Dunn - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  14. The "B" Word - 30 pages, TRT 20:00
  15. Tales of Childhood Past - 34 pages, TRT 22:40
  16. Picture Day - 23 pages, TRT 15:20
  17. Pirate Peril - 33 pages, TRT 22:00
  18. The Attack of the Chameleon! - 26 pages, TRT 17:20
  19. Pinks and Blues - 26 pages, TRT 17:20
  20. My Sister, the Pet Sitter - 27 pages, TRT 18:00
  21. Summerway Spitballs: Changing My Mind - 32 pages, TRT 21:20
  22. Sally & Delilah - 17 pages, TRT 11:20
  23. A Minnie-Special Over-Dunn (Combined 3-Parter) - 99 pages, TRT 1:06:00

The common theme I've noticed is "Too much content for 11 minutes, but not enough to fill 22."
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It depends on how you reformat it.

Remember, 22-minute Simpsons scripts are 42 pages, but that's because of the amount of transitions involved.
 
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There's nothing stopping Enter from picking up a pencil and storyboarding episode 1 with stick figures then sending that to his artists and telling them to make it look presentable. That would at least be a step in the right direction in making a cartoon and build confidence from his fans. But I think deep down he knows he's not ready to take that leap. He's afraid it won't live up to his expectations.
 
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Icarus B. Nezzer said:
Bear in mind, not all those nine months are spent on animation. At any given moment, one episode could be in sound design, the next could be in character animation, the next could be in storyboards, the next could be in concept design and insert however many other steps here. Even with only one studio, there's overlap between different departments. I've seen shows that work with only one studio release 3-6 episodes a year, depending on complexity. So instead of 131 fucking years, Growing Around would take... 30 to 60 fucking years. Of course, this runs on the assumption that Enter has the brainpower to delegate several episodes at once.
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An indie show with the runtime and complexity he wants would take 1-2 years per episode minimum on just animation
 
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I did some number crunching. Took the average page count based on the season 1a scripts someone posted earlier, multiplied by 175 and got a total length of 5145 pages. For reference, the script for Grand Theft Auto V is 3500 pages.

For simplicity I just took 22 minutes and multiplied by 175 to get 64 hours of animation. My searches indicated that on average, a minute of animation costs $6000, which seems consistent with what I've seen, though I'm not in the industry. That comes to $23 million total (seems a bit low to me, maybe $6k per minute doesn't include audio, editing, etc). For a show with no pilot, no experienced showrunners, no storyboards, no plan to secure funding, and no plan on how to move forward. I'd love to hear Enter's genuine thoughts on these figures but we all know he only responds in "I don't know"s.
 
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