Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Feline Supremacist]

I was reading this today about how certain strains are way more lethal than others. While the immunocompromised, elderly, sick and predisposition to complications/death are factors certain to result in a severe reaction to this coronavirus I have wondered what makes it manifest as a mild or annoying cold in some and and an all hands on deck emergency in others.

Li’s team found that some of the most aggressive strains of the virus were able to generate 270 times the viral load as the weakest strains; in addition, the aggressive strains killed the human cells fastest.

It's China but there might be something to it. Could explain how some young and otherwise healthy people ended up in the ICU. Does having immunity to a weaker strain confer immunity to this more aggressive strain? I know this was the case with smallpox but this is a different type of pathogen and may behave differently.
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[Marchesa of the Vast]

The Australian ABC is a gift that keeps giving, this time about Governor Cuomo:

Nowhere in the linked article is there a mention of women or sexual attraction. WTF ABC, is it because nipples are banned in Australian media?
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Here's some inside baseball. You see here how the headline has nothing to do with what's in the story? You ever wonder why that's soo common? It's because the writers don't write the titles. That's the editors job. The editors at these big publications are the point of failure that ideological hacks purposefully wedge themselves into. Upon learning this, I've come to sympathize somewhat with the writers on a lot of these sites. They've got little to no control over what their name ends up getting hooked to in many cases. Then again, they could try to strike it out independent and my loathing of "news corporations" as a thing returns.

 

[Radical Cadre]

This came up on 4chan, claimed it resulted from the Wuhan Labs hack. While I don't believe a word of it, what do we know about Dr. Zhengli Shi?

(we've got this one archived a few times already, sit back and enjoy)

Unsure about the Dr. Zhengli Shi, but her lab assistant Huang Yan Ling (thought to be patient zero) has been missing since January. Where is Huang Yan Ling? Only the CCP knows. But Dr. Zhengli Shi swears on a stack of On Guerrilla Warfare that her lab assistant is still alive.

 

[heathercho]

I was reading this today about how certain strains are way more lethal than others. While the immunocompromised, elderly, sick and predisposition to complications/death are factors certain to result in a severe reaction to this coronavirus I have wondered what makes it manifest as a mild or annoying cold in some and and an all hands on deck emergency in others.
It's China but there might be something to it. Could explain how some young and otherwise healthy people ended up in the ICU. Does having immunity to a weaker strain confer immunity to this more aggressive strain? I know this was the case with smallpox but this is a different type of pathogen and may behave differently.
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It could be, but if that's the case it'd die out quicker since it's killing its victims too quickly, like other viruses in the corona family have, one would think?

It could also be blood type. At least that's what they're exploring in Japan and SK.
Then again, it could also be bad treatment methods that's made young, healthy people overly sick.
Doctors were working on the assumption it was something that it mostly isn't manifesting as. It's only natural critical care errors will be made.
I know a few US law firms are gearing up to sue over at least one death, another critical injury, from malpractice. That's also going to be a factor in this.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

It could be, but if that's the case it'd die out quicker since it's killing its victims too quickly, like other viruses in the corona family have, one would think?

It could also be blood type. At least that's what they're exploring in Japan and SK.
Then again, it could also be bad treatment methods that's made young, healthy people overly sick.
Doctors were working on the assumption it was something that it mostly isn't manifesting as. It's only natural critical care errors will be made.
I know a few US law firms are gearing up to sue over at least one death, another critical injury, from malpractice. That's also going to be a factor in this.

Smallpox had mild and severe strains as well, it was endemic for centuries as both circulated globally. I was always fascinated by the discovery cowpox gave one immunity to smallpox, maybe a similar coronavirus common cold virus does as well, or at least attenuate to fight off the China virus easily. It's possible bad treatment of coronavirus contributed to deaths as now there's disagreement on whether using vents for a prolonged period may hasten, not prevent deaths. There was speculation that getting an increased viral load from repeated exposure may make the disease more virulent.

In America there's no shortage of lawyers that will sue. It's almost a national sport.

Help @Otterly

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I was reading this today about how certain strains are way more lethal than others. While the immunocompromised, elderly, sick and predisposition to complications/death are factors certain to result in a severe reaction to this coronavirus I have wondered what makes it manifest as a mild or annoying cold in some and and an all hands on deck emergency in others.
It's China but there might be something to it. Could explain how some young and otherwise healthy people ended up in the ICU. Does having immunity to a weaker strain confer immunity to this more aggressive strain? I know this was the case with smallpox but this is a different type of pathogen and may behave differently.
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>CHINA
>non-peer-reviewed.

THERE IS NO X LARGE ENOUGH.

Let me remind you that ISCIII's already fully sequenced this fuckint thing. You know what this is? This is the CCP trying to blame on "mutations" the fact that chinks are POLLUTION GOBLINS that turn black when infected because their entire system is fucked beyond belief, their hospitals are made out of sticks and spit, and their traditional medicine is poisonous. In other words, it's pure bullshit.

It could be, but if that's the case it'd die out quicker since it's killing its victims too quickly, like other viruses in the corona family have, one would think?

It could also be blood type. At least that's what they're exploring in Japan and SK.
Then again, it could also be bad treatment methods that's made young, healthy people overly sick.
Doctors were working on the assumption it was something that it mostly isn't manifesting as. It's only natural critical care errors will be made.
I know a few US law firms are gearing up to sue over at least one death, another critical injury, from malpractice. That's also going to be a factor in this.

Whoop there it is! Every country is doing what it can to fight this. Most are improvising. Some have better results than others. Plus variations like pop density, pollution, etc. We can see how despite madrid and andalucia having the same strain andalucia is practically untouched while madrid burns. This is because it's not the strain, it's the fact the south is semirural/suburban and has hefty pollution controls while madrid is a hive of pollution. Not blaming it on the current regional gov. They've been banning cars and adding a fuckton of pollution controls to try and stop that shit. But they did not manage to clean the air and reduce the pop density fast enough to stop this. And their deathtoll shows as much. It ain't the strain it's the living conditions and treatments that make this difference real. It's easy to fake this shit. I could do it if i wanted to justify spain's deathtoll. But unlike the chinks, us spaniards don't lie. We don't steal. And we don't eat vermin or endangered animals. Even if the truth hurts us.

 

[Not Really Here]

>CHINA
>non-peer-reviewed.

THERE IS NO X LARGE ENOUGH.

I got you my nibba.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Hancock’s not having a good war, is he?

I've always thought he looks hapless, has an abnormally low IQ, and is the worst Conservative frontbencher since the Abomination, Theresa May, even if @Ponderous Pillock disagrees.

On the upside though, I still kinda like Boris.

Boris Johnson speaks to Donald Trump from Chequers

PM will have telephone audience with the Queen while he recovers from coronavirus

www.theguardian.com

https://archive.vn/A65xD

The prime minister spoke to the US president on Tuesday afternoon to “thank Trump for his good wishes while he was unwell”, but also took the opportunity to talk about the G7’s efforts to combat the virus and reaffirm his desire for a UK-US trade agreement.
A Downing Street spokesman said: “The leaders agreed on the importance of a coordinated international response to coronavirus, including through the G7 – which the US currently chairs. They also discussed continued UK-US cooperation in the fight against the pandemic. The leaders committed to continue working together to strengthen our bilateral relationship, including by signing a free trade agreement as soon as possible.”

The White House said the prime minister “shared that he is feeling better and on the road to recovery”.

Good guy Boris, pushing for a US/UK trade deal from his sickbed. I can't see how Trump can decline.

Actually the US plus the CANZUK countries is a pretty decent alternative to the EU.

 

[Quijibo69]

They are opening mostly southern states end of this mouth beginning of next:

F

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Hancock’s not having a good war, is he?

What's happening now? I've not been following much of the "news" because it's all utter bollocks and grievance mongering by petty hacks still angry Labour's not in power.

Speaking of Labour Here's this bit of hilarity about fucking PPE from some Labour bod who's braincells were never installed

 

[simulated goat]

Medcram video on Vitamin C, Vitamin D and donning and doffing PPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2A2xNLWR4

https://archive.vn/3awz2

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He mentions another couple of over the counter drugs too - Quercetin and N-acetylcysteine (NAC). I get my RDA of all vitamins but I don't know enough about Quercetin and NAC to mess with them, to be honest.

I take NAC. I dunno if I'm fending off coronachan, but my sinuses are clear and my usual spring allergies have appeared to fuck off so that's good. It's a pretty good expectorant too. It seems pretty safe.

eta: Otterly warned some might be allergic, so be careful.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I've always thought he looks hapless, has an abnormally low IQ, and is the worst Conservative frontbencher since the Abomination, Theresa May, even if @Ponderous Pillock disagrees.

On the upside though, I still kinda like Boris.

Boris Johnson speaks to Donald Trump from Chequers

PM will have telephone audience with the Queen while he recovers from coronavirus

www.theguardian.com

https://archive.vn/A65xD



Good guy Boris, pushing for a US/UK trade deal from his sickbed. I can't see how Trump can decline.

Actually the US plus the CANZUK countries is a pretty decent alternative to the EU.

F for spain that now will have it much harder making trade deals due to having to compete with US farms. I'm glad for you brits though. You deserve a good break from this shit. I only hope we can sort Gibraltar first because if you keep current politics you're about to nuke our coast.

Spoiler: funny thing about gibraltar

You britbongs probably aren't told this. But Gibraltar is way more important for british trade than it may seem. And for a very bad reason. You see. British trade is kinda fucked by these things called ecological regulations. Because it's mostly by ship. So what britain does is have gibraltar, as an independent colony, handle all of the shit that breaks those regulations. It's basically a giant, unregulated dumpster.

Every. Single. Time. A british ship is too old or damaged in ways that cause leaks. Instead of dealing with that shit. Britain sends it to gibraltar to be dismantled in ways that assfuck the environment. Even worse, it doesn't even bother fixing it enoug so it doesn't leak along the way. As a result this is a massive source of pollution for the spanish and portuguese coasts. But fuck us right? And it got highlighted when the Prestige broke on its way there. Our environment has yet to recover from that nuking. And so is our morale. But britain don't give a fuck so long as its us cleaning that mess.

And btw if you think that's bad enough: http://www.puertoalgeciras.org/2007/08/los-astilleros-de-gibraltar-llevan.html?m=1 Gibraltar's docks haven't had an inspection since THE TURN OF THE FUCKING CENTURY. Wanna know what's in there? Hell. Hell is in there.

Lets remember that this is how you repay us for taking care of Gibraltar through La Linea hospital and our lax border policies allowing your deals to go unnoticed... well that and gibraltar's police also aids moroccan druglords and terrorists in crossing the strait, that too.

Point is, if the commerce between Burgerland, Canuckistan and the Isle of Tea is heavily increased, us spaniards can expect to see our coasts assraped to hell and back by the increase in british sea commerce, fuck I wouldn't even be surprised if another Prestige happens, specially since Boris seems to believe environmental regulations can suck his cock too. So RIP our coasts unless we put a stop to Gibraltar. And at this point that'd probably involve going into actual war with britain.

I'm still glad for you. I do wish you'd stop fucking us over though.

 

[Absolute Brainlet]

Kazakh update: Not doing as good as before, but still better than you
2070 cases, 515 recoveries, 19 deaths.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Smallpox had mild and severe strains as well, it was endemic for centuries as both circulated globally. I was always fascinated by the discovery cowpox gave one immunity to smallpox, maybe a similar coronavirus common cold virus does as well, or at least attenuate to fight off the China virus easily. It's possible bad treatment of coronavirus contributed to deaths as now there's disagreement on whether using vents for a prolonged period may hasten, not prevent deaths. There was speculation that getting an increased viral load from repeated exposure may make the disease more virulent.

In America there's no shortage of lawyers that will sue. It's almost a national sport.

Help @Otterly

We don't actually know that much about the relative strength of strains. There's a lot of noise, it's very early to try and draw conclusions.

Bret Weinstein talked about the Spanish Flu, says there's reasons to suspect widespread use of Aspirin contributed to its lethality.

100 years after the fact and we can't precisely answer why it killed so many people. I'm sure we're going to be looking at this one 100 years from now and scratching our heads.

 

[Freya]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html

Tegnell said sampling and modeling data indicated that 20% of Stockholm’s population is already immune to the virus, and that “in a few weeks’ time we might reach herd immunity and we believe that is why we’re seeing a slow decline in cases, in spite of sampling (testing for the coronavirus) more and more.”

so a good deal of their population is already immune, cases are declining, the health care system hasn't collapsed AND their economy hasn't been destroyed.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

UK Daily:

559,935 Tested (+22,814)

133,495 Positive (+4,451)

18,100 Dead (+759)

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

LOL-NY Gov asked what happens if businesses don't reopen and people don't get unemployment and can't feed their families.

He says if they work they will infect people and people will die which is worse than not being able to pay bills or eat.

Reporter asks "what if they kill themselves because they have no money." He says that's their choice, but not their choice to kill someone else. And if they have no money just get an essential job which is somehow safer.

What a fucking world.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html

Tegnell said sampling and modeling data indicated that 20% of Stockholm’s population is already immune to the virus, and that “in a few weeks’ time we might reach herd immunity and we believe that is why we’re seeing a slow decline in cases, in spite of sampling (testing for the coronavirus) more and more.”

so a good deal of their population is already immune, cases are declining, the health care system hasn't collapsed AND their economy hasn't been destroyed.

I'd say 20% is not enough to celebrate, even if true (and sweedish numbers have been quite exceptional at times.) So in a few days we'll see. Being low density, cold and with good healthcare does mean you'd expect them to get out of this one relatively unscathed. But let us wait a bit more. Viri can be quite adept at bitchslapping people when they least expect it.

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LOL-NY Gov asked what happens if businesses don't reopen and people don't get unemployment and can't feed their families.

He says if they work they will infect people and people will die which is worse than not being able to pay bills or eat.

Reporter asks "what if they kill themselves because they have no money." He says that's their choice, but not their choice to kill someone else. And if they have no money just get an essential job which is somehow safer.

What a fucking world.

Ah yeah. An essential job. I want one of those. Where can I get it? There's 'bout a few MILLIONS of us asking that though. Dunno if you'll have enough.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

LOL-NY Gov asked what happens if businesses don't reopen and people don't get unemployment and can't feed their families.

He says if they work they will infect people and people will die which is worse than not being able to pay bills or eat.

Reporter asks "what if they kill themselves because they have no money." He says that's their choice, but not their choice to kill someone else. And if they have no money just get an essential job which is somehow safer.

What a fucking world.

People need to start thinking this is a lives-lives decision, not a lives-money decision.

Starving to death is worse than a virus.

 

[Freya]

LOL-NY Gov asked what happens if businesses don't reopen and people don't get unemployment and can't feed their families.

He says if they work they will infect people and people will die which is worse than not being able to pay bills or eat.

Reporter asks "what if they kill themselves because they have no money." He says that's their choice, but not their choice to kill someone else. And if they have no money just get an essential job which is somehow safer.

What a fucking world.

The people committing suicide(already happening), being murdered(already happening), starving , going homeless are all a LOT younger than the people dying of the virus.

Apparently the lives of young people are worth less than retired boomers or fucking geriatrics rotting in nursing homes. And Cuomo is open about thinking that.

What a sick society we live in.