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On any Medical Show you always get that shout of "Clear!". It's not entirely drama. Your pumping 300 Watts into a body. Anybody in contact with said body will be in for the shock of their life. Modern Defib units don't have the traditional paddles anymore. Instead they use 2 big sticky electrode patches. But you still have to make sure everybody is Clear of the body before you push the button. Standard training is everybody holds up their hands to indicate they are not touching the patient or the stretcher. You need to know where everyone's hands are before you shock. So th epeople doing CPR step back and put their hands up.

Oh and pro tip for those who grew up watching the old "Emergency" TV show and used to watch Johnny Gage rub the paddles together to spread the conductive gel on them. Yeah in real life you only ever do that once before learning very quickly not to ever do that again.

When I've been doing my first aid training, we're taught briefly on defibs, that are mostly modern and have an accented voice to tell you what to do, from removing the patients top, to placing the patches, then it analyses the heartbeat and alerts you if it needs to perform a shock.

It then tells you to stand back after you press the button to confirm a shock, says CHARGING/PREPARING, and then it does the shock, which looks pretty nasty, made the CPR dummy jump slightly.

The instructors did say that nowdays, they can use a lower, more accurate charge, but that you still don't want to be touching the guy/girl who gets zapped.
 
And to those who bitch about "boomers" - as previously stated, it's exceptional to tar every member of any generation with the same brush.
I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again: the generational conflicts are whipped up by the media to stop family unity and promote division and to deflect from the real culprits.
The baby boomer generation where I live had to cope with rationing and severe poverty. Not the kind of poverty where you don’t have the latest stuff, proper ‘kids going to school with no shoes’ poverty.
That generation built up the postwar society, and they scrimped and saved to buy houses, they fought for real civil rights and women’s rights (the real stuff, not the fucking shambles that is SJW culture and third wave feminism.) They’ve done their time on the front lines of work and they deserve their retirement. Most where I live arent sitting in mansions, but in modest semis which they worked hard for. Which you will inherit when they pop off.
But go on and bash boomers. Don’t look upwards to the elites who decided that two incomes would allow house prices to expand to the point they have because affordability can be used instead of actual cost, trapping you in debt and forcing both parents to work long hours. Don’t look upwards to the people who have asset stripped that society, put zero hour contracts and a gig economy in place. Don’t look upwards to the people who have put a surveillance state in place. No, it’s definitely your granny in her nice cottage. All her fault.
If you believe this bash the boomers shit, you’re being played.

In a country of just 10.5 million they're suffering 650+ deaths a day.
Way lower. The most was about 185, the other days was 170 ish. it will be higher per million than many places because they are not in a lockdown. I suspect that the areas under the curve will be similar for most comparable countries at the end of all this. Hail sweden, maybe I will move back there one day ....
 
Tucker makes the case against lockdown

https://archive.vn/kVnRP



Spiked article by Wilfred Reilly on the linear regression analysis Tucker mentioned

https://archive.vn/h7RDn

Next, I ran a regression model. For those unfamiliar with academic statistical methods, regression – in this case linear regression – is a computerised mathematical technique that allows researchers to measure the influence of one variable on another with all of the other factors that might be relevant held constant. In this case, the variables for each state included in my model were: population, population density, median income, median age, diversity (measured as the percentage of minorities in a population), and the state’s Covid-19 response strategy (0 = lockdown, 1 = social distancing). The data set used to construct this model is available for anyone to request it.

The question the model set out to ask was whether lockdown states experience fewer Covid-19 cases and deaths than social-distancing states, adjusted for all of the above variables. The answer? No. The impact of state-response strategy on both my cases and deaths measures was utterly insignificant. The ‘p-value’ for the variable representing strategy was 0.94 when it was regressed against the deaths metric, which means there is a 94 per cent chance that any relationship between the different measures and Covid-19 deaths was the result of pure random chance.

The only variable to be statistically significant in terms of cases and deaths was population (p=0.006 and 0.021 respectively). Across the US states, each increase in the population of 100,000 correlated with 1,779 additional Covid-19 cases, even with multiple other factors adjusted for. Large, densely populated areas are more likely to struggle with Covid-19, no matter what response strategy they adopt – although erring on the side of caution might make sense for global megacities such as New York and Chicago.

Finally, I extended my analysis into the international arena. As has been widely reported, Sweden has opted not to lock down in the wake of Covid-19, and Swedes have instead followed similar social-distancing measures to those adopted in the seven US states I focused on.

Again, there is very little evidence that Sweden has become an unlivable Covid-19 hotbed. As of 17 April, Sweden’s Covid-19 statistics were: 13,216 total cases, 1,400 total deaths, 1,309 cases per million and 139 deaths per million. In terms of cases per million residents, Sweden ranks slightly ahead of its close neighbours, Denmark (1,221) and Norway (1,274). But in Europe as a whole, Sweden ranks 23rd in terms of cases per million and 10th in terms of deaths per million.

I am reluctant to compare European examples to the many East Asian countries which avoided significant shutdowns – particularly since these countries had significantly better early-response strategies and there can be larger cultural differences which are difficult to quantify. But essentially, the same pattern holds true. When I conducted my analysis, Japan had 9,231 total cases, 190 total deaths, 73 cases per million citizens, and two deaths per million. South Korea had 10,635 cases, 230 deaths, 207 cases per million and four deaths per million. Taiwan had a total of 395 cases and only six deaths, alongside 17 cases per million and 0.03 deaths per million.

Of course, no single analysis can provide a truly conclusive answer to questions as huge as those posed by Covid-19. Scholars and curious citizens reading this one might want to re-run my analysis with current active cases as a dependent variable rather than total cases or cases per million – although I doubt that would make much difference. It certainly might make sense to redo my regression with ‘date of first case’ thrown in as a variable. I kept the model limited to five independent variables due to the small number of state-level observations available, and left that one out because onset dates were fairly similar for most US states. However, including this information could theoretically produce different results. The more data, the better.

Overall, however, the fact that good-sized regions from Utah to Sweden to much of East Asia have avoided harsh lockdowns without being overrun by Covid-19 is notable.

The original response to Covid-19 was driven by an understandable fear of an unknown disease. The epidemiologist Neil Ferguson projected that 2.2million people could die in the US alone, and few world leaders were willing to risk being the one who would allow such grim reaping to occur.

However, as time has passed, new data have emerged. A top-quality team from Stanford University has pointed out that the infection rate for Covid-19 must logically be far higher than the official tested rate, and the fatality rate for the virus could thus be much closer to 0.1 per cent than the 2 to 4 per cent that was initially expected. And empirical analyses of national and regional response strategies, including this one, do not necessarily find that costly lockdowns work better against the virus than social distancing.

It should not be taboo to discuss these facts.

Toby Young has a website called lockdownsceptics.

https://archive.vn/qwmQ5
 
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While I understand the need to open the economy back up soon, I do hope there will be protections in place for vulnerable people. I’m a vulnerable person; I have an autoimmune disorder that causes scar tissue to build up in my throat, meaning my airway is much narrower than normal and I have breathing problems. It’s much better than it used to be thanks to medication and numerous surgeries, but if I got a respiratory infection or anything that affects my breathing I’d be in severe trouble. So needless to say I’ve been extremely cautious over the past few weeks.

I’m still working but as a receptionist I’m required to be in the office to answer the phone. I’m actually doing double the work because I’m covering for the other receptionist, who is elderly (still kind of peeved my employer thought she was too much at risk but I’m not despite telling them my medical history, but whatever, I’m managing it). They do let me do projects from home twice a week, though (they do have someone who can cover me, just not full time) minimizing my exposure. It also helps that everyone else is working from home so there’s usually fewer than 10 people in the building and we all keep our distance.

I hope once the official restrictions are lifted they’ll continue to allow some people to work from home so this place doesn’t get crowded again. And I really hope I’ll be allowed to keep working from home 2 days a week so I can minimize my exposure to the outside world while this virus is still widespread. I usually keep my head down and do what I’m told at work, but if they want me to expose myself to danger when I’m vulnerable I guess I’ll have to be ready to fight it.
Yeah I'm fairly in agreement.
My only issue with Georgia's reopening is in some cases people will have to go back to work or else lose their unemployment benefits. Normally I'm not pro-welfare, but given that in this case its 1) temporary, 2) a literal social SAFETY net in this case (rather than the typical metaphorically use of the phrase "safety net"). There should be some kind of worker protection in place where people can keep benefits in the short-term if they are a case of being vulnerable themselves or have regular contact with a vulnerable person.

I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again: the generational conflicts are whipped up by the media to stop family unity and promote division and to deflect from the real culprits.
I dont disagree and don't believe its fair to paint entire generations with the same brush; but I do think it outright exceptional that the same people who have been screaming and crying for the last 4-6 years that "Boomers are ruining our future!!!" and blaming boomers for everything from the housing market to student loan debt suddenly decided March-April 2020 that the specific group of boomers & early xoomers in office, lobbyists and media owners SUDDENLY have everyone's best interest in mind and totally arent willing to kamikazae the entire economy and ruin young people's lives just to extend their own lifespan another 5-20 years.

Is Houston really in the middle of spicland?
Houston has some areas that are straight barrio. Like with roosters bitching and stray dogs barking while the cholos bast their raggaeton at 7:30am.
 
Anyone here read Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds? The tulipmania part is excellent reading; other parts, like the discussion of popular slang, not so much so.

The seroprevalence studies coming out, and particularly how much people simply do not want to hear about it, are making me think of that book a lot, recently.
 
Anyone here read Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds? The tulipmania part is excellent reading; other parts, like the discussion of popular slang, not so much so.

The seroprevalence studies coming out, and particularly how much people simply do not want to hear about it, are making me think of that book a lot, recently.

I just don't understand people's logic. They want Sweden to fail and people to die, but if you want to go to work you're a terrible person and want people to die. They want drugs to fail because Trump suggested it might work. They can't understand people die from economic collapse. They can only think "death bad avoid death" and not weight the outcomes of old people with a few months or years left dying vs young third world people starving to death and dying of illness and young first world people drinking themselves to death, overdosing, killing themselves, being murdered, dying of illness, etc. They think the government has endless money and they can hand people more money. They think vaccines are magic and have no ill effects.

They just can't think pragmatically about this at all. They don't weigh benefits and negatives (or understand medicine, economics, or statistics).
 
I just don't understand people's logic. They want Sweden to fail and people to die, but if you want to go to work you're a terrible person and want people to die. They want drugs to fail because Trump suggested it might work. They can't understand people die from economic collapse. They can only think "death bad avoid death" and not weight the outcomes of old people with a few months or years left dying vs young third world people starving to death and dying of illness and young first world people drinking themselves to death, overdosing, killing themselves, being murdered, dying of illness, etc. They think the government has endless money and they can hand people more money. They think vaccines are magic and have no ill effects.

They just can't think pragmatically about this at all. They don't weigh benefits and negatives (or understand medicine, economics, or statistics).

A charitable interpretation might be that people today are so sheltered from death and misfortune that they simply cannot conceive of anything going wrong without either someone being at fault or there being a particular cause that can be dealt with so death need not ever intrude its ugly again. e.g. if a kid drowns, it's because there wasn't a fence; if there was, the lifeguard didn't do his duty; etc, for evermore. To suggest that bad things happen no matter what you do, and that every adult decision involves tradeoffs, is too difficult and fatalistic for most people. They want the option where no one dies of coronavirus AND no one loses their job ... AND Trump is made to look stupid, probably.
 
I just don't understand people's logic. They want Sweden to fail and people to die, but if you want to go to work you're a terrible person and want people to die.
Hey my desire to see Sweden fail and Swedes die has nothing to do with the current situation. It has to do with dealing with those weirdos on the Internet since time began.

"If you would just do it the way we do things in Sweden..."

 

I can hear someone shouting racism if a big part of that 17% who's positive for corona-chan is Muslim.

Styx vlogged about Newsweek who ranted about corona-chan death between 2 Fox viewers bases.

One Youtuber gived me a little smile.
Alexandra
National Enquirer is more trustworthy at this point.
 
https://archive.vn/dAiea

NEW YORK, NY—At a press conference this morning, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio unveiled a new way that individual citizens can help enforce social distancing.

“It is up to every citizen to watch and monitor everyone else and report to the police anything they don’t like,” de Blasio said. “That’s why we have created a new enforcement program: Knowledgeable Actors Reporting Edict Noncompliance, or KAREN for short.”

With the new program, de Blasio is asking everyone to become a KAREN and use a special hotline to report anyone they see who isn’t following social distancing guidelines straight to the police.

“It doesn’t matter if it looks like people aren’t hurting anyone,” de Blasio said. “If you see anyone not doing exactly what our social distancing guidelines say, be a true KAREN and report them to the police right away. And if you think any business is behaving improperly, I want you to be a KAREN and march right in there and ask to speak to a manager.”

“I want everyone to know,” de Blasio added, “that KARENs are out there and they are not minding their own business.”

To further entice people to be KARENs, de Blasio also announced a rewards program for reporting on fellow citizens: Special Tokens for Individuals Taking Care to Hassle Every Suspect (STITCHES).

“Remember,” de Blasio said, “snitches get STITCHES.”

Very droll.
 
These pictures are really fucking to start to piss me off. I'm with y'all doctors and nurses but fuck...some of us have been making life changing sacrifices as well. Not one circlejerk picture of the grocers or the farmers keeping us fed during these times.
It's pissing a lot of people off.
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We’re never getting out of lockdown at this rate. The state officials in Minnesota continue to move the goalposts regarding testing and haven’t been able to answer what increased testing is even going to achieve when 70% of deaths are in nursing homes and they’ve literally just now announced a plan to focus testing on those nursing homes...weeks into this. And now the increased testing capacity won’t be publicly available for “a few weeks“ but Walz also refuses to open or plan an opening without this testing in place. It’s asinine.

Meanwhile, in my neighborhood in the city, there have been reports of a gang of people wielding bats, someone wielding a pipe, and several more robberies/break-ins than usual over the past few days. But Walz thinks we can all just stay locked down forever. Let’s just say I’m glad I never bought into the gun control bs that’s prevalent here...
 
So here's a sobering thought. Some idiots have touted how great Sweden has been doing and we should've been like Sweden in our lockdown response.

In a country of just 10.5 million they're suffering 650+ deaths a day.

To translate that into how it would've panned out in the UK? Which is on 800 or so deaths a day with a population six times the size?

It'd be 3,900 deaths a day.
Yeah, I think this contributes to why Americans think Sweden’s strategy is so great, they don’t realize the NYC metro area has more people than the whole country. (The city itself has about 8 million).
 
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