Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[DavieJones714]

styx clip from today's vid - Tracing Apps, Social Distanceing, and Food Riots edit https://youtu.be/7UdEbL9g3Sk

 

[ditto]

Been watching the livestream of the latest MN COVID Press Conference (no archive yet), and the guy doing the sign language is hilarious.

The whole sign language interpreter thing feels extremely off to me. It's weirdly infantilizing.

 

[Unog]

Yeah, I think this contributes to why Americans think Sweden’s strategy is so great, they don’t realize the NYC metro area has more people than the whole country. (The city itself has about 8 million).

Our public school system isn't known for excellence, to put it lightly.

 

[northstar747]

The whole sign language interpreter thing feels extremely off to me. It's weirdly infantilizing.

Eh I know a few def people at they are a rather silently group lol. but its for their benefit honestly they should have a pigin interpreter as well

 

[dreamworks face]

So one of the big arguments for the "flattening the curve" is because we don't have enough ventilators for hospitals to deal with the patients in the ER.

However, 88% of people who end up in the ER on ventilators for coronavirus die (archive.li).

If you look at frequency of occurrence of symptoms: (archive.li)
~81% present no symptoms (depends on age, about half of all old people have symptoms)
~Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died (archive.li). Estimated mortality rate ~2%

It may be that the whole flattening of the curve stuff isn't really doing all that much good, as while not having enough ventilators etc. in the ER to handle the patients is a bad look, if 90% of the people who end up in the ER die anyway, then how many lives are actually saved? Certainly if some sort of new treatment comes out that is actually effective, we might be able to save more lives later, but assuming no progress on the medical front, and assuming everyone's going to get this eventually, we're looking at saving 10% of the 2% who would've died by shutting down the economy.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Alright fuckers! I got a new pile of horror for you. Fuck fact. Products from the European Community got a sign, which is a CE, marking their quality. Well China has decided to mark their exports as "China Exports", see if you spot the difference:

They are BEGGING for a nuke.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

So here's a sobering thought. Some idiots have touted how great Sweden has been doing and we should've been like Sweden in our lockdown response.

In a country of just 10.5 million they're suffering 650+ deaths a day.

To translate that into how it would've panned out in the UK? Which is on 800 or so deaths a day with a population six times the size?

It'd be 3,900 deaths a day.

Sweden Coronavirus: 14,385 Cases and 1,540 Deaths - Worldometer

Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

https://archive.vn/wip/IWJSy

United Kingdom Coronavirus: 114,217 Cases and 15,464 Deaths - Worldometer

United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

https://archive.vn/ydoHg

The UK population is 66 million and Sweden's is 10 million. So the UK has 6.6x the population.

This website tracks deaths per million inhabitants from the point where that exceeded 0.1

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-daily-deaths-trajectory-per-million?country=SWE+GBR

https://archive.vn/wip/tSvnL

It looks pretty similar to me. It could be that the lockdown doesn't really help much because the virus is airborne - droplets get spread into the air and the virus can survive on surfaces for 48-72 hours. Which rather implies those droplets will still be infectious even after they dry out. In which case the lockdown will ruin the economy but not help much with the spread of the disease.

I'm agnostic at the moment but the more this goes on the more I think the UK lockdown is a mistake and Sweden has the right idea. And I say that who has long been irritated by Swedes weird groupthink in many areas. This article compares the economic effects of Sweden's policies versus the UK

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-swedish-experiment-looks-like-it-s-paying-off
https://archive.vn/nHQoS

So everyone was already set up for gloomy reading about the economic outlook when the government unveiled its new budget last week. Still, the experience was grim. In the main scenario, our national output will decline by 4 per cent this year, taking unemployment up to 9 per cent and the fiscal deficit to 3.8 per cent of the gross domestic product.

The only silver lining is that it could have been worse. We are pretty far away from the levels of economic decline predicted for most lockdown countries. In fact, the Swedish economic situation looks sensationally positive when compared to the ghastly reports and scenarios elsewhere. Cash turnover indicators, for instance, suggest that personal consumption in Denmark and Finland has dropped by 66 and 70 per cent respectively – compared to less than 30 per cent in Sweden. Unemployment benefit claims in Norway has shot through the roof and grown four times as fast as in Sweden. Fiscal deficits in the UK and the US are likely to be in the region of 12 to 15 per cent. Last week’s economic scenario from the OBR suggested that Britain’s GDP could drop by almost 13 per cent this year.

Sweden might well emerge from this with about the same number of fatalities per million inhabitants but with a much less fucked economy. I mean I don't want to say it for sure because I'm just some autist on the Internet and we won't know for sure until it's all over and we've got the final data but it's definitely possible.

 

[Aqua Panda]

What the hell is Northam thinking having the lockdown extend to June 10? Every decision he's made since taking office seems to be out of pure spite for everyone outside Northern Virginia.

Sadly this is the new normal. Northern Virginia basically owns the state now. The mass immigration and transplants from the West Coast are the main reason why the state flipped blue. It dictates what gets funds when the rest of VA, minus Richmond and Hampton Roads, is still pretty damn rural and deep red.

 

[General Tug Boat]

The nurses and doctors are the real super heroes
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I wouldn't be to patronized by an image that looks like that was made by a 6 year old. For that matter, this whole notion that we have to lick the kung-flu infested toilet seat of these fucking nurses is starting to get insulting at this point. The definition of a hero can't be a blanketed term for everyone in that field, it has the same logic as EVERYONE GETS A PARTICIPATION TROPHY mentality. Doctors and nurses, let alone anyone that chooses to heal people is a noble profession, but doesn't constitute that title by default. Where was this hero worship before the pandemic? This is just a way the state can pass by overworking these people and for the hospitals to still pay them like shit. It isn't like the fucking kung flu is going to wipe every doctor or nurse out, just the really unlucky ones unfortunately.
When I started seeing the tik-tok videos, was when I started turning on the whole idea of the prolonged forever house arrest sentence.
It is pretty fucking insulting they have all of this time to make memetastic videos and fuck around on their phones during a pandemic. IF it is really that slow at the hospital and they have nothing better to do, then people by default will lose their confidence in this whole limit contact, and then actively look to give these people something to do.

A lot of people are unemployed and in a really rough position right now, and things are starting to get ridiculous with how this lock down has been managed. As it is turning out, the "REEEEE EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE" shit is getting further debunked by the day thanks to the antibody tests. Maybe my 0.6% prediction is starting to come true after all, hopefully it is even less. If society embraces the masks for a few months, with amplified testing, and contact tracing we can be out of this mess by Christmas. Unfortunately the politicization of the virus is causing complications in the fight and the manner in which the state elected officials have been acting has unequivocally made this whole thing 800x worse. There needs to be some sort of clicking light of reality that clicks into peoples heads, thankfully people in the States are voicing their displeasure on how the governors and mayors have went overboard in certain communities. That being said, this is the wrong website to be sharing lefty memes. Maybe the thread would of embraced it in the beginning when the waters where muddy and the lairs in power and in the media weren't blasting their thrusting authoritarian cock down our throats.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Sadly this is the new normal. Northern Virginia basically owns the state now. The mass immigration and transplants from the West Coast are the main reason why the state flipped blue. It dictates what gets funds when the rest of VA, minus Richmond and Hampton Roads, is still pretty damn rural and deep red.

What is really obnoxious is the Virginia Case load is ridiculously minor. This is not a densely packed State to begin with. People are starting to ignore the "don't congregate" orders already, and while I was driving by the big "ER WAIT TIME" sign yesterday, the fucker read 0 minutes. This is getting silly. Everyone is taking appropriate precautions now. The local WaWa has hand sanitizer by the credit card reader ffs. We all got shit too do. We can't just spend the rest of our lives cowering in our bedrooms, and I certainly don't want to live in a society where Ralph Northam is the guy wrapping me in cotton cloth and sticking me in a crib.

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

I wouldn't be to patronized by an image that looks like that was made by a 6 year old. For that matter, this whole notion that we have to lick the kung-flu infested toilet seat of these fucking nurses is starting to get insulting at this point. The definition of a hero can't be a blanketed term for everyone in that field, it has the same logic as EVERYONE GETS A PARTICIPATION TROPHY mentality. Doctors and nurses, let alone anyone that chooses to heal people is a noble profession, but doesn't constitute that title by default. Where was this hero worship before the pandemic? This is just a way the state can pass by overworking these people and for the hospitals to still pay them like shit. It isn't like the fucking kung flu is going to wipe every doctor or nurse out, just the really unlucky ones unfortunately.
When I started seeing the tik-tok videos, was when I started turning on the whole idea of the prolonged forever house arrest sentence.
It is pretty fucking insulting they have all of this time to make memetastic videos and fuck around on their phones during a pandemic. IF it is really that slow at the hospital and they have nothing better to do, then people by default will lose their confidence in this whole limit contact, and then actively look to give these people something to do.

A lot of people are unemployed and in a really rough position right now, and things are starting to get ridiculous with how this lock down has been managed. As it is turning out, the "REEEEE EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE" shit is getting further debunked by the day thanks to the antibody tests. Maybe my 0.6% prediction is starting to come true after all, hopefully it is even less. If society embraces the masks for a few months, with amplified testing, and contact tracing we can be out of this mess by Christmas. Unfortunately the politicization of the virus is causing complications in the fight and the manner in which the state elected officials have been acting has unequivocally made this whole thing 800x worse. There needs to be some sort of clicking light of reality that clicks into peoples heads, thankfully people in the States are voicing their displeasure on how the governors and mayors have went overboard in certain communities. That being said, this is the wrong website to be sharing lefty memes. Maybe the thread would of embraced it in the beginning when the waters where muddy and the lairs in power and in the media weren't blasting their thrusting authoritarian cock down our throats.

You see a shitty cringe marvel image and you write all that?
It's like you tried to encapsulate everything bad about this thread into a single post, well done.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

Alright fuckers! I got a new pile of horror for you. Fuck fact. Products from the European Community got a sign, which is a CE, marking their quality. Well China has decided to mark their exports as "China Exports", see if you spot the difference:

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They are BEGGING for a nuke.

I maintain my opinion that nations that can go 5 minutes without boiling dogs alive should be economically isolating that den of horrors.

 

[General Tug Boat]

You see a shitty cringe marvel image and you write all that?
It's like you tried to encapsulate everything bad about this thread into a single post, well done.

Perhaps I REEEE'd too hard, perhaps it's due to my inability to see the irony of the post mein autism which turned it into an ad hominem. Difficult to liquefy the exceptionalism I've seen in the thread and all around me concisely. Joe Biden 2020.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

does anyone know if the shit liquid that chinese were spraying at the onset of the pandemic works?

i think the idea was that bacteria in thr liquified feces ate the virus.

It was just regular disinfectant as I explained at the time. It's a very stupid way of applying disinfectant but oh well. If I remember correctly here in spain 1 city in valencia tried to copy it with bleach. And had to stop after the scientific community warned them, while laughing their asses off, thay vaporized bleach is bad for humans too.

I m not up on sweden i know they are going for heard immunity but what do refugee have to do with it.

They hoped people would self isolate and keep the distance on their own. The lethality amongst refugees should tell you how much they listened. They're bloody human disease vectors.

Not that I don't believe you, got a source on this one?

Welp. I need to correct one thing. I remember at the time papers being made of H1N1's genetic chink origin. Turns out since then papers' have specified that while it's definitely asian swine flu, it was first mutated in farms on central mexico. So after infected pigs went from china to mexico it mutated there and then spread from there to texas first and then the rest of the planet. The chinks still sold the mexicans diseased pigs, but they weren't the epicenter. It was central america.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4957980/

Also while checking that I found we got ANOTHER H1N1 spreading through chink farms this 2020: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378113519311095

Fucking hilarious. You literally can't even try to search for flu viri without accidentally finding new chink strains.

Saliva is more sensitive for SARS-CoV-2 detection in COVID-19 patients than nasopharyngeal swabs (archive) -- from a medical journal

I think we found the answer as to why people were suddenly being tested positive for COVID-19 after "recovering" and being "tested negative."

Turns out a saliva sample is far more sensitive for detecting the virus than that really uncomfortable swab procedure. I bet that a lot of these people being tested positive again just got false negatives all along.

Granted, the doctors in South Korea with these patients in question said that it was probably because of fallible testing ... Looks like there's quite a bit of a confirmation now.

Good news.

>preview
>same journal as the indian HIV crap
>non peer reviewed.
At least it ain't chinks, but still, X!

Btw for a full debunking of the indian crap:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/who-world-bank-gates-foundation-hacked.68634/post-6340469

There you go.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

So one of the big arguments for the "flattening the curve" is because we don't have enough ventilators for hospitals to deal with the patients in the ER.

However, 88% of people who end up in the ER on ventilators for coronavirus die (archive.li).

If you look at frequency of occurrence of symptoms: (archive.li)
~81% present no symptoms (depends on age, about half of all old people have symptoms)
~Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. Estimated mortality rate ~2%

It may be that the whole flattening of the curve stuff isn't really doing all that much good, as while not having enough ventilators etc. in the ER to handle the patients is a bad look, if 90% of the people who end up in the ER die anyway, then how many lives are actually saved? Certainly if some sort of new treatment comes out that is actually effective, we might be able to save more lives later, but assuming no progress on the medical front, and assuming everyone's going to get this eventually, we're looking at saving 10% of the 2% who would've died by shutting down the economy.

When they get decent anti-body test numbers we will know its true lethality rate because of the asymptomatic carriers & recoveries, and the weak "cold symptoms" carriers & recovers that all go unreported; but right now the "trend" in the literature is going down.
Two papers came out of California (Santa Clara & LA) which put the rate at about 0.25% (1/4th of a percent). The major issue with both though is that participants may have been statistically predisposed to having or having had the virus (those who elected to get tested). Before that, a British paper estimated it could be as low as 0.66% (2/3rds of a percent).

The Swedes put out a study which they later retracted that estimated the detection rate in the first place was insanely low (like 1/100), which put the lethality rate at around 1/1000 by their metrics. I'm of the opinion its own the lower side but even I thought that number was outrageous; though I'm interested to see what estimate they end up sticking with.

If I had to bet money, I go with 0.3-0.6%.

 

[JosephStalin]

Sadly this is the new normal. Northern Virginia basically owns the state now. The mass immigration and transplants from the West Coast are the main reason why the state flipped blue. It dictates what gets funds when the rest of VA, minus Richmond and Hampton Roads, is still pretty damn rural and deep red.

Time for the people to show up en masse again at the state capital. Need to show this little Hitler what you think of his bullshit, as well as the recent gun laws shoved up Virginians' asses.

Oh, the hospital ship Comfort is leaving New York. The ship, over the course of three weeks, treated....179 patients. Fuhrer Cuomo said the ship was no longer needed. What a waste of resources.

Navy hospital ship Comfort is leaving NYC after treating just 179 patients in 3 weeks

President Trump said the Navy hospital ship Comfort will leave New York City after Governor Cuomo said it was no longer needed.

taskandpurpose.com

https://archive.vn/nyjhH

The more of such things I read, the more I am over this entire ChiCom flu thing. Sure does look like the national response to the ChiCom flu has been overdone. Millions of people placed under house arrest. Millions of Americans without jobs. Millions of Americans wondering how they'll feed their families - not everyone qualifies for unemployment. A bunch of little Hitlers creaming their jeans and their panties while on power trips. Trillions of dollars expended. All for a flu that doesn't seem to be as lethal as heart disease or cancer. Believe we could have gotten the same results with rather fewer hardships imposed on the American people.

One positive note - we now see, nationwide, just what government, from the state level to the town level, is willing to do to the people in the name of "public health". To them, the end justifies the means, civil rights be damned. These actions have been well publicized. We're also seeing Americans push back nationwide against these violations of civil rights. Don't believe Americans will be as accepting of such unwarranted, draconian measures the next time there is a crisis.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Alright fuckers! I got a new pile of horror for you. Fuck fact. Products from the European Community got a sign, which is a CE, marking their quality. Well China has decided to mark their exports as "China Exports", see if you spot the difference:

View attachment 1249679

They are BEGGING for a nuke.

After WWII, Japan renamed an island USA. Specifically so they could mark exports as 'Made in USA.'

More of the same. The lack of intellectual property protection is an affront to transactional economy, they should be prohibited from access to Western markets so long as this exists.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

One positive note - we now see, nationwide, just what government, from the state level to the town level, is willing to do to the people in the name of "public health". To them, the end justifies the means, civil rights be damned. These actions have been well publicized. We're also seeing Americans push back nationwide against these violations of civil rights. Don't believe Americans will be as accepting of such unwarranted, draconian measures the next time there is a crisis.

I don't know how you're optimistic from this. The divide is the same as it was and in the same proportions it used to be. This country is still divided by those who trust the mainstream media and those who distrust it. All we've learned is that the people who intrinsically trust the mainstream media are bootlicking drones that will gladly enter house arrest and cede rights to random bureaucrats because TV told them.

I'm frankly far more pessimistic than I was before because of all of the simpering idiots.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

The more of such things I read, the more I am over this entire ChiCom flu thing. Sure does look like the national response to the ChiCom flu has been overdone. Millions of people placed under house arrest. Millions of Americans without jobs. Millions of Americans wondering how they'll feed their families - not everyone qualifies for unemployment. A bunch of little Hitlers creaming their jeans and their panties while on power trips. Trillions of dollars expended. All for a flu that doesn't seem to be as lethal as heart disease or cancer. Believe we could have gotten the same results with rather fewer hardships imposed on the American people.

One positive note - we now see, nationwide, just what government, from the state level to the town level, is willing to do to the people in the name of "public health". To them, the end justifies the means, civil rights be damned. These actions have been well publicized. We're also seeing Americans push back nationwide against these violations of civil rights. Don't believe Americans will be as accepting of such unwarranted, draconian measures the next time there is a crisis.

The amazing thing for me is watching people line up to protect institutional narratives about the virus. We all saw how much the initial projections were off, yet so many act as though we are about to lose millions of people. Protestors asserting their rights are regularly vilified in the media, can't look at a news website without seeing some key piece of disinformation. CNN had that propaganda piece the other day that was cribbed directly from the SCMP.

It's become theater for the benefit of China. Period. Journalists are spreading discord for the sake of creating panic, this is the true pandemic.

 

[Slappy McGherkin]

Don't believe Americans will be as accepting of such unwarranted, draconian measures the next time there is a crisis.

The little boy that cried "WOLF!" certainly comes to mind.