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The US is government of the people, by the people, for the people, as Lincoln defined in the Gettysburg Address. It is definitely for us to dictate what our government does. If our elected representatives forget that, then @rando0675309 is correct in stating there is a increased possibility of a Day of the Rope scenario.

I say you should do like the danes. And eat the rich. Literally.
 
The US is government of the people, by the people, for the people, as Lincoln defined in the Gettysburg Address. It is definitely for us to dictate what our government does. If our elected representatives forget that, then @rando0675309 is correct in stating there is a increased possibility of a Day of the Rope scenario.

Except when a state of emergency is declared then you do what you are told apparently. This isn't 1863... Well good luck fellow Americans probably going to start investing in rope manufacturers.
 
Except when a state of emergency is declared then you do what you are told apparently. This isn't 1863... Well good luck fellow Americans probably going to start investing in rope manufacturers.
Depriving people of the ability to work so they can eat and have a roof over their heads for the benefit of the establishment is precisely what causes an 1863. Forget investment, it's about securing personal armament.
 
So basically we could have just continued life as is right now? The draconian measures are just a power-hungry trip?

Not everywhere and no.

As I explained, in high density areas the lockdown is necessary to keep the healthcare system from overloading. In rural areas it makes no sense unless their healthcare system is on par with the third world. Invetween it depends on circumstance.

NYC should've closed earlier. Buttfuckville in the middle of nowhere, Nevada had no need. The lockdowns aren't purely draconian. But they have been misapplied and executed poorly. And not everyone doing so is on a powertrip, many are just idiots. But some definitely are.
 
I'm not sure on how to react to the virus. It doesn't seem that threatening anymore. It really does look like a very bad flu season at this point.
Because the models are shit, the models are always shit, and this is how it works for every fucking "crisis". From climate change to peak oil to wuflu, models are only as good as the people running them and the data that can be put in. That everyone was running around with their ass on fire because of models created from chinese numbers should have been the warning flag to not shove a gun barrel up your urethra and pull the trigger because of random rumors.

It should have started to get real damn clear that this was less a threat than advertised when TPTB started shutting down the generic drug Hydroxycholorquine in favor of the highly politically connected still under patent remdesivir of Gilead Sciences. Also the retarded ventilator rush, we've all now seen how useless that was. Especially when it's become clear that it's more a death sentence than a cure to get put on one.

I'm just soo tired of it. The biggest lobbying force in the country that basically pays all of the major news networks through ad revenue, and people aren't skeptical.

So basically we could have just continued life as is right now? The draconian measures are just a power-hungry trip?
Obviously.
I mean, are people shocked?
 
Not everywhere and no.

As I explained, in high density areas the lockdown is necessary to keep the healthcare system from overloading. In rural areas it makes no sense unless their healthcare system is on par with the third world. Invetween it depends on circumstance.

NYC should've closed earlier. Buttfuckville in the middle of nowhere, Nevada had no need. The lockdowns aren't purely draconian. But they have been misapplied and executed poorly. And not everyone doing so is on a powertrip, many are just idiots. But some definitely are.
You mean do it city by city on an as needed basis?
Like they did a century ago?
What are you? Some kind of conservative?
 
Depriving people of the ability to work so they can eat and have a roof over their heads for the benefit of the establishment is precisely what causes an 1863. Forget investment, it's about securing personal armament.

You are assuming the government hasn't went over the numbers and did a cost/benefit calculation on what the best course of action is. Remember the government is working with more information then what is available to the general public.
 
You are assuming the government hasn't went over the numbers and did a cost/benefit calculation on what the best course of action is. Remember the government is working with more information then what is available to the general public.
Ah yes, the numbers from those models that keep getting revised all over the place and have proven less useful than toilet paper.

Everyone keeps bleating about how "but they're including the response now!" while not understanding that the "low estimates" included various kinds of responses from the start. If you take models as gospel then I've got a dimensional merge investment for you.
 
You are assuming the government hasn't went over the numbers and did a cost/benefit calculation on what the best course of action is. Remember the government is working with more information then what is available to the general public.
This is perhaps the most naive post I have ever seen on the internet since I plugged a phone line into the back of my computer and ran a free AOL disc with Windows ME.
 
One positive note - we now see, nationwide, just what government, from the state level to the town level, is willing to do to the people in the name of "public health". To them, the end justifies the means, civil rights be damned. These actions have been well publicized. We're also seeing Americans push back nationwide against these violations of civil rights. Don't believe Americans will be as accepting of such unwarranted, draconian measures the next time there is a crisis.
To that end, it also seems like Trump was #ourguy the whole time. Didn't really go crazy, was always trying his best to keep the people in mind, and pushed back against overt bullshit as best he could.
 

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I'm not sure on how to react to the virus. It doesn't seem that threatening anymore. It really does look like a very bad flu season at this point.
Its honestly likely just as lethal if not a little less lethal than the yearly flu.

The big difference is that we have no herd immunity (no developed immunity + no vaccine immunity), so that pretty much 99.9% of the population is fair game as an infection vector*, whereas the flu is usually working with anywhere from 20-60% of the population depending how far that particular strain has mutated.

Also how long it takes to recover: 3 days to 1 week for the flu, typically, to anywhere from 1 week to 5+ weeks for Corona-Chan.

*This does not mean that 99.9% would get it in a perfect scenario, just that 99.9% or so are what it has to work with starting off, losing infection vectors with each recovery.
I thought of something, why do people not want treatments only vaccines? Vaccines take a long time to develop and I noticed that treatments aren’t popular for some reason. I understand about politics but isn’t a short term fix better then having nothing at all?
Because Trump had to go and politicize finding a treatment.
Orange Man Bad, so therefore treatments are bad!

(also "Big Pharma wants treatments, not cures!11")

((also fags butthurt about no AIDS vaccine, only treatments lol))


Sounds like you guys should go back to work, what exactly is stopping you? It is clearly just a bad flu season. :story:
Some of us are working and seeing people we know who have kids to support laid off because of a weaksauce virus that doesn't do much to people in their 20's and kids; and we understand that not everyone is as lucky as we are to still have a stable income right now.

And also that's literally why people are protesting: so they can go back to work.
 
I thought of something, why do people not want treatments only vaccines? Vaccines take a long time to develop and I noticed that treatments aren’t popular for some reason. I understand about politics but isn’t a short term fix better then having nothing at all?

Whenever there's any sort of crisis the media exaggerate how bad it is and claim only their preferred, economically devastating, solution is the real one.

Dr Campbell video

https://archive.vn/wip/7SZVS


Most interesting bit is he mentions a study in The Lancet by Hong Researchers that claims China had 232K cases compared to the official total of 55K. I.e. the real figures are at least 4x the official ones.

https://archive.vn/qShjM

https://archive.vn/hzF6t
 
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