Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[lamp]

Even though the most content the main source have provided the past week-ish have been mass deletions, Chloe-stans stay "sane" and come through.

Spoiler: Reminder 4 Basement Dwellers

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Spoiler: Get therapy not twitter

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And personal favorite we've seen countless times throughout this thread

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How can you go through KiwiFarms, see the evidence presented to you all nice and neat with a little red bow, and STILL think she’s 100% real in her diagnosis.

 

[ineedmoney]

How can you go through KiwiFarms, see the evidence presented to you all nice and neat with a little red bow, and STILL think she’s 100% real in her diagnosis.

Because her followers aren't rational. You present them with receipts/evidence and they claim that's not proof.


I have't really seen a good explanation (other than amnesia) as to why they don't believe its proof so I don't really understand their thought process. They just say it's not proving anything and then attack people for being "bad humans"

 

[comrade666]

Even though the most content the main source have provided the past week-ish have been mass deletions, Chloe-stans stay "sane" and come through.

Spoiler: Reminder 4 Basement Dwellers

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Spoiler: Get therapy not twitter

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And personal favorite we've seen countless times throughout this thread

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Not even going to bother sifting through all of that but don't attack a young lady caught my eye. Chloe isn't a young lady, she's 10 ethnically diverse men, a handful of dykes, a toddler, and a fucking horse. Incidentally, if they're supposed to be self harm scars she's done a piss poor job - 3/10 for effort on this titless wonder of a WK.

 

[Shrryph1]

She has a $300/month Patreon level. For that, you get a letter, sealed with wax (WTAF), from one of her "adult alters."

That’s the part that’s just utterly obscene. How can any sane person not realize it’s a total con when she’s charging her fans $300 a month to schedule a live chat with Kyle? Beside the point of capitalist manipulation while trying to play the communal, societal responsibility, how on earth could someone with uncontrollable alters and amnesia possibly fulfill that?

Very, very few people on Patreon have the absolute shit ego to create a $300 p/month tier. But Chloe does. Offering absolutely nothing but to talk to her in character.

“Hey, everyone, I suffered immeasurably as a child despite having a self described happy childhood, former neighborhood children who never saw any issues, my parents being baffled as to what might have occurred, but I did play on Tumblr as an adolescent!”

 

[notpasta45]

This is certainly is true, but like, Chloe is literally putting herself out there all the time. I don't understand how, if she actually had been abused, she wouldn't be afraid that her abuser would see this and go after her. That one Helen/Alice lady had to use a pseudonym until her father died. If the safety of her system is the most important thing, then why is she blabbing about her abuse? Especially if it was done by some entity that her parents didn't know about which kind of alludes to a very powerful perpetrator who could probably get away with even more.

But then again, she said her parents were her abusers. So like, lmao.

haha holy shit I didn't even consider this. Wow.

This makes me question Nan's comment about how one of her past abusers was "finally getting prosecuted" in her live stream. That comment could have been a toss up if that was true or not (likely not and just was used to detour and cause sympathy butt pats) but that perspective really makes me think.

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I still sit here and shake my head that I used to be fans of these two. It's unfortunate that there's not really any space for trauma survivors/those with actual, diagnosed dissociative disorders/so on to legitimately feel like they can be with their peers for solidarity and general support without feeling like these whackheads are fucking everything up and invading spaces. There's actual value in finding peer support but it feels like at this point, anyone with a dissociative disorder is going to be on guard for LARPers and self-DXers, and fearful of getting attacked for even so much as second guessing someone's "diagnosis".

Exactly. And you are so right that no one who's survived childhood trauma would ever want to revisit any of it, especially if the trauma was so horrific your brain develops DID as a coping mechanism.

Yeah, the only thing childhood trauma survivors would want to go back to is a redo of a normal, untraumatic childhood. I can appreciate the cathartic nature that ranting to the void of the internet can bring, but laying one's trauma out on a platter for others to sympathize and "that must have been so horrible!!" over isn't healing. If Chloe (and Nan for that sake) really were traumatized/abused, they shouldn't be talking about such triggering subjects to the void of the internet, giving ADVICE on these subjects, without seeing guidance on how to do it or how to handle it first. Retraumatizing yourself is 10 kinds of not fun and can undo weeks and months of work. Without TMI-ing beyond this: it goes against what I've been taught by professionals and what I've learned and read up on. From my little knowledge on peer support groups, typically, the person who is the peer is someone who has completed or very nearly completed therapy, a process, etc., before they go teaching others about their experience.

 

[Shrryph1]

Even giving every benefit of the doubt. And taking into account Nan and Chloe have childhood trauma they can’t completely remember or that have splitting into alters. All of that. Putting that on YT is probably the least healthy thing you can do. I was watching something yesterday about early days of YouTube vloggers and how that grind and dependency on views ruined their families. How is this different? Same shit, new decade.

 

[Bananasaurus]

Even giving every benefit of the doubt. And taking into account Nan and Chloe have childhood trauma they can’t completely remember or that have splitting into alters. All of that. Putting that on YT is probably the least healthy thing you can do. I was watching something yesterday about early days of YouTube vloggers and how that grind and dependency on views ruined their families. How is this different? Same shit, new decade.

I find it especially irresponsible considering that if you have a channel as big as Chloe's, it's just a matter of time before someone you know finds it. Imagine you're her Dad's co-worker/boss and come across a video of his daughter where she vaguely hints at repeated ritualistic childhood sexual and physical abuse so devastating that her mind fractured and she had to come up with 22 alter egos to take the brunt of it for her. I'd be surprised if her parents never got nasty messages/phone calls because some of Chloe's viewers who haven't watched all videos might think they're kiddy diddlers. You'd have to be shit parent of the century in order to NOT notice severe abuse like that.

 

[just a person]

But the most genuine case I came across is Jeni Hayes who was severely raped by her dad and her friends from the age of literally a baby and stopped when she reached 11 years old.

She developed 2500 personalities

I watched this a few weeks ago and IIRC the bulk of the personalties were referred to "fragments" or something along those lines. Not fully formed and recurrent personality states but a one-time-use sort of thing, like having one memory and keeping that memory forgotten. That sounds much more plausible than 2500 tumblr OCs. I'm still not sure how you'd go about estimating that number.

Even giving every benefit of the doubt. And taking into account Nan and Chloe have childhood trauma they can’t completely remember or that have splitting into alters. All of that. Putting that on YT is probably the least healthy thing you can do. I was watching something yesterday about early days of YouTube vloggers and how that grind and dependency on views ruined their families. How is this different? Same shit, new decade.

I agree. It could be helpful for others if you're far along in your treatment and in a stable mental and emotional place. 2 years and even 4 years is just not enough time to be stable enough for the public eye, particularly on youtube and the ruthless internet. It's not a good idea. You will get negative attention and people will exploit your vulnerabilities. Having youtube as a career sounds like a fucking nightmare no matter what your videos are centered on.

Best case you are whoring yourself out and exploiting your mental illness for strangers. More so for all the SWITCH ON CAMERA morons. There's nothing healthy or helpful about that.

Thankfully the individuals doing this are full of shit and it doesn't really matter. It does matter for all the genuinely ill people that want to be taken seriously, though. Chloe advocates about as well as Autism Speaks.

 

[Bananasaurus]

I watched this a few weeks ago and IIRC the bulk of the personalties were referred to "fragments" or something along those lines. Not fully formed and recurrent personality states but a one-time-use sort of thing, like having one memory and keeping that memory forgotten. That sounds much more plausible than 2500 tumblr OCs. I'm still not sure how you'd go about estimating that number.


I agree. It could be helpful for others if you're far along in your treatment and in a stable mental and emotional place. 2 years and even 4 years is just not enough time to be stable enough for the public eye, particularly on youtube and the ruthless internet. It's not a good idea. You will get negative attention and people will exploit your vulnerabilities. Having youtube as a career sounds like a fucking nightmare no matter what your videos are centered on.

Best case you are whoring yourself out and exploiting your mental illness for strangers. More so for all the SWITCH ON CAMERA morons. There's nothing healthy or helpful about that.

Thankfully the individuals doing this are full of shit and it doesn't really matter. It does matter for all the genuinely ill people that want to be taken seriously, though. Chloe advocates about as well as Autism Speaks.

If Chloe used her channel to document her journey towards healing it would be one thing, but all her videos are pseudo-factual and she sees herself as an educator. I don't know how you could have such a debilitating disorder and have all the answers after only 3 years. Especially considering that she doesn't really seem to want to "get well". She introduces new alters as it they were new characters and her fanbase gets excited for them, as if it was a good thing that her mind is coming apart one alter at a time, and dormant or integrated alters are basically character deaths. Shouldn't she be glad when alters are integrating?

 

[Shrryph1]

I also want to point out, at least three of Chloe’s early videos she filmed topless.

When she introduced Jade.

And when she just woke up and picked up a camera and filmed a day in the life, also without wearing a top.

Hard to imagine sexually insecure, victims of horrific trauma just casually filming themselves topless for the entire world to see. Yeah, your tits weren’t in the actual frame, just leave it up to audience titillation. So cunning.

 

[prettybad]

I also want to point out, at least three of Chloe’s early videos she filmed topless.

Sorry to ruin your fun, bud

Not that it's that much better that she only LOOKS half naked, though.

 

[just a person]

Shouldn't she be glad when alters are integrating?

Exactly. That's the end goal for anyone with DID. You don't want to live in a haze of amnesia. It's not fun. It's not quirky. Integration shouldn't be something scary or flat out rejected even though Chloe wants you to fire your therapist if they're pushing you toward it.

bullshit

She's not topless you knob. It's a sleeveless top. Does make for a good thumbnail.

 

[Twinkie]

@comrade666 may already have these but as long as I'm up I'll embed the archives. Regardless of whether she is topless, the archives should be here for posterity so that if she deletes the videos users can view the archives here, just after the originals were posted in the thread.

What Is Dissociation? | Debunking DID Ep:2 | Dissociative Identity Disorder (May 08, 2018 )

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MEET THE ALTERS: JADE | DissociaDID | Dissociative Identity Disorder (August 05, 2018 )

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DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER | A DAY IN THE LIFE (Sep 09, 2018 )

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[bonitoflakeprincess]

Exactly. That's the end goal for anyone with DID. You don't want to live in a haze of amnesia. It's not fun. It's not quirky. Integration shouldn't be something scary or flat out rejected even though Chloe wants you to fire your therapist if they're pushing you toward it.


She's not topless you knob. It's a sleeveless top. Does make for a good thumbnail.

not anymore. it seems that new healing is "everyone work together, as a fully formed person" , if alters want to fuse let them. and yet these people don't agree with others who say "integration is murder"

 

[Shrryph1]

Exactly. That's the end goal for anyone with DID. You don't want to live in a haze of amnesia. It's not fun. It's not quirky. Integration shouldn't be something scary or flat out rejected even though Chloe wants you to fire your therapist if they're pushing you toward it.


She's not topless you knob. It's a sleeveless top. Does make for a good thumbnail.

It literally amounts to the same thing. I can wear a tube top in bed and shoot above the shirt, specifically giving the impression I just woke up naked and turned the camera on. Or my tough, sexy girl personality is in charge now so imagine what’s below the frame.

I don’t know about everyone else, but there’s nothing more relaxing than freshly waking up in my strapless bikini top and turning the camera to document my devastating mental illness.

 

[The Potatomatic 2000]

I'm still amazed by the fact that Chloe's million imaginary friends not only don't interfere with her video making, but they gladly go to the back of the line when she does elaborate makeup looks, takes dramatically posed photos of herself and gets her rainbow hair done.
I'm not saying every mentally ill person is the same, but I have my doubts about being barely functioning, but totally up for elaborate eye looks and all sorts of things that serve a superficial purpose.

 

[Shrryph1]

I'm still amazed by the fact that Chloe's million imaginary friends not only don't interfere with her video making, but they gladly go to the back of the line when she does elaborate makeup looks, takes dramatically posed photos of herself and gets her rainbow hair done.
I'm not saying every mentally ill person is the same, but I have my doubts about being barely functioning, but totally up for elaborate eye looks and all sorts of things that serve a superficial purpose.

That’s when that handy ‘system communication’ comes in. But then so what if Chloe wears a mini skirt to interview with Padilla? She can always switch and say Kyle feels uncomfortable and thought they agreed on trousers. Very dramatic, great for view counts.

 

[Cooking Mama]

I also want to point out, at least three of Chloe’s early videos she filmed topless.

When she introduced Jade.

And when she just woke up and picked up a camera and filmed a day in the life, also without wearing a top.

Hard to imagine sexually insecure, victims of horrific trauma just casually filming themselves topless for the entire world to see. Yeah, your tits weren’t in the actual frame, just leave it up to audience titillation. So cunning.

Weird how, in the daily life video, she switches out seemingly with no triggers when alone but when with her parent (I’m assuming it’s one of her parents, anyways) she doesn’t switch out at all, even after therapy which would be the time a switch most likely would occur since triggering topics can be discussed, and it looked like they were together for a good chunk of time save for the Nadia bit. Not even a “this alter switched out but was pretending to be me” or anything. Didn’t she say before she switches a lot throughout the day?

 

[The Potatomatic 2000]

That’s when that handy ‘system communication’ comes in. But then so what if Chloe wears a mini skirt to interview with Padilla? She can always switch and say Kyle feels uncomfortable and thought they agreed on trousers. Very dramatic, great for view counts.

Kyle doesn't mind suddenly just "waking up" to a completely different hair colour or a lot of makeup or some such, but he will go completely nuts in front of cameras about a skirt. Convenient, Chloe.

 

[Carlos the Scientist]

Didn’t she say before she switches a lot throughout the day?

That's interesting, she used to say she switches a lot, but in the Disney video I remember her saying that she barely switches compared to Nan.