Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

TBH, I felt like I should throw this quote out here for the people wondering if the has HPD vs. NPD, because when I read it I was like "ohhh":
"In fact, some mental health experts believe that the term histrionic personality disorder should be deleted from the DSM. Thus, the disorder could be included as an exhibitionistic subtype of narcissism. "
 
How long do we think before her fans stop crying about her on twitter... there's still a bunch of them bothering Trisha every day. If we're getting bored surely they'll start flocking to entropy system or something to get their fix.
Chloe's fans are gullible into believing her melodramatic larp of a mental illness. Of course they believe an infamous troll is being legit, lol.
 
TBH, I felt like I should throw this quote out here for the people wondering if the has HPD vs. NPD, because when I read it I was like "ohhh":
"In fact, some mental health experts believe that the term histrionic personality disorder should be deleted from the DSM. Thus, the disorder could be included as an exhibitionistic subtype of narcissism. "
The thing that I wonder about this though regarding Chloe having NPD (and I mentioned this before), is that NPD is developed from having some sort of child abuse, most commonly at least one NPD parent. This would mean that even though her DID is false and the trauma she eludes to is false, it's still very odd that she claims to have a great childhood and loving parents because someone with those things would NOT have NPD. And I'm not saying she doesn't have NPD, I'm saying something doesn't quite add up here if she both has NPD but not abusive childhood/loving parents.

*I think this is a very important mark here that we should further discuss and investigate.*

I would appreciate anyone who can elaborate on this in an effective way.

If it is true that she had a stable home and parents, I would suggest that these symptoms have a greater criteria for something more biological, along the lines of schizophrenia or some sort of schizoaffective or psychotic disorder.

HOWEVER, with certain findings of her being what seems to be manipulative, would indicate that she is at least somewhat aware of what she is doing. To me this seems more like NPD mixed with some other sort of psychological disorder. *My theory on this is:*

Her parents were actually abusive (a lot of NPD parents are very psychologically abusive and can effectively make the child believe that they are the BEST parent that anyone could have). An NPD parent does not look abusive to the outside world because of their high levels of manipulation (and manipulation is a learned behavior, so Chloe probably learned it from her parents). NPD parents usually give their child lots of pseudo-love mixed with lots of punishment for not being exactly how they want them to be. As long as the child is doing what the parent wants, the parent will reward the child which is why you might see what seems to be a loving relationship on camera.

Chloe, like most children would do, internalized the situation, putting her into disbelief that her parents could ever treat her such a way (because it is traumatic). And when you are completely unaware of the abuse you suffered, you grow up either becoming just like the abuser or the victim of the abuser (the other parent), *because you do not learn from anything if you do not believe there is anything wrong in the first place.* Because of this, she would grow up to have NPD just like her parent as well as a deep seated belief that she was abused due to actually being abused, but, doesn't remember the abuse because the one's who did it, she cannot accept as abusers.

I also have an analyzation on her and Nans dynamic if anyone wants.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that Chloe exhibits a lot of attention seeking behavior, specifically validation. The reason people grow up to be like this is because as a child THEIR wants, THEIR needs were always invalidated UNLESS it fits the parents agenda. And I could imagine driving her to therapy would fit an NPD parents agenda because it makes the parent look innocent. "Look you see, it is my child who was the problem, not me. And we never did anything but love her as a child."
 
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Because she went knowing she would be diagnosed with DID. She didn't say "I'm going for my first session to see what's going on with me" she said "I'm going for my first DID treatment".
In that post she says that a diagnosis will cost money but that doesn't make any sense to me. In the United Kingdom the NHS will refer you to a psychiatrist for free, all you have to do is see a GP in order to get a referral and getting a referral is extremely easy. Obviously she can go private but I have no idea why she would, if her condition is genuine and its as serious as she suggests then the NHS would probably mark her as a high risk patient and they would bend over backward to help her.

The mental health sector in the UK has been fucked for a long time but if you have a serious, debilitating mental health problem then the NHS will still cover your ass 24/7 for completely free.
 
there are people who still don't realize that "Nin and Nan" are both just munchies with borderline personality disorder? it's too obvious.

bpd people latch onto anyone who will give them affection, and then throw shit-fits if that affection is ever precarious in any way. someone will probably have to watch them and keep them from hurting themselves until they get over it.
 
I also have an analyzation on her and Nans dynamic if anyone wants.

Well, since we’re lacking anything new to discuss because of Chloe’s hiatus, I’ll bite. I don’t really know if I buy into the idea that she has another disorder or illness that is making her act like this, though, but I can see it as a possibility. However, even if she does and her DID is a delusion or she did act like she had it because of whatever other illness/disorder she has, it doesn’t excuse her behavior or make it okay.

I also feel like if she has something like NPD, she’d be having a full on narc meltdown and this thread would be full of WKs or sockpuppets of Chloe trying to defend her. Clever they may be, but narcs can’t resist attacking someone who threatens their ego or trying to defend themselves.
 
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In that post she says that a diagnosis will cost money but that doesn't make any sense to me. In the United Kingdom the NHS will refer you to a psychiatrist for free, all you have to do is see a GP in order to get a referral and getting a referral is extremely easy. Obviously she can go private but I have no idea why she would, if her condition is genuine and its as serious as she suggests then the NHS would probably mark her as a high risk patient and they would bend over backward to help her.

The mental health sector in the UK has been fucked for a long time but if you have a serious, debilitating mental health problem then the NHS will still cover your ass 24/7 for completely free.

The problem with that for dear Chloe is that DID is skeptically existent at best and I don't think the NHS takes claims of it seriously, though I'll concede to being wrong. Another factor is Chloe doesn't want to be examined and potentially diagnosed with another disorder, she very much wants DID which Pottergate and Remy happily provide for their fee so she didn't want to risk waiting through the NHS route to maybe get an unfavorable diagnosis or released from the program without a diagnosis at all.
 
The thing that I wonder about this though regarding Chloe having NPD (and I mentioned this before), is that NPD is developed from having some sort of child abuse, most commonly at least one NPD parent. This would mean that even though her DID is false and the trauma she eludes to is false, it's still very odd that she claims to have a great childhood and loving parents because someone with those things would NOT have NPD. And I'm not saying she doesn't have NPD, I'm saying something doesn't quite add up here if she both has NPD but not abusive childhood/loving parents.
AFAIK NPD can be caused by lack of rules and criticism too, and excessive praise.

The problem with that for dear Chloe is that DID is skeptically existent at best and I don't think the NHS takes claims of it seriously, though I'll concede to being wrong. Another factor is Chloe doesn't want to be examined and potentially diagnosed with another disorder, she very much wants DID which Pottergate and Remy happily provide for their fee so she didn't want to risk waiting through the NHS route to maybe get an unfavorable diagnosis or released from the program without a diagnosis at all.

I think it's because if she had such a serious disorder, the NHS might put her on an involuntary hold or something similar. And also not give her the DID diagnosis, but more likely a PD or schizophrenia/schizoaffective disorder due to auditory hallucinations and delusions that she is literally a unicorn.
 
Just to add on to the UK NHS discussion, without powerlevelling, if someone like Chloe were to present her symptoms to an NHS psychiatrist, they would likely have gone the BPD route. It could be that she saw an NHS psychiatrist prior to Pottergate and did not receive the diagnosis she wanted or expected and so went private, (which is fairly common).
 
I think it's because if she had such a serious disorder, the NHS might put her on an involuntary hold or something similar. And also not give her the DID diagnosis, but more likely a PD or schizophrenia/schizoaffective disorder due to auditory hallucinations and delusions that she is literally a unicorn.

Only if you're inclined to believe that Chloe actually has any of those issues outside of playing pretend with a sketchy mental illness. Which at this point I can't imagine why anyone would think that.
 
Since we’re pondering about how abuse ties into to personality disorders again, ill reiterate what I said before about how BPD is ~80% genetic. Source: Borderline Personality Disorder Demystified by Robert Friedel [2018]. I haven’t done any research into NPD, but it is in the same cluster as BPD so I imagine it’s got similar genetic factors. Abuse is not required for personality disorders to develop. If a child has a genetic factor already and grows up feeling emotionally neglected by their parents, even if that’s not the reality or is very lightly true, it’d be easy to develop a personality disorder such as BPD.

However, I do not think Chloe has a personality disorder, especially not BPD. *Maybe* HPD, but that’s a loose maybe. I don’t think she has DID and I no longer think she believes she does. I agree with those who’ve said she’s just a normal vanilla person who’s never really stood out and she wants that spotlight.
 
However, I do not think Chloe has a personality disorder, especially not BPD. *Maybe* HPD, but that’s a loose maybe. I don’t think she has DID and I no longer think she believes she does. I agree with those who’ve said she’s just a normal vanilla person who’s never really stood out and she wants that spotlight.
BPD has ties to factitious disorder, though.

People with BPD crave attention and try to trap people with them through emotional manipulation, so faking things to get sympathy is on-brand. Doing things like "attempting suicide" when someone calls you out on your behavior should be very sus for BPD. Also I don't know if any of you have lived with an NPD person, but Chloe would not be this fucking quiet if she was NPD. Or histrionic, for that matter. They truly do not shut the fuck up.

"Normal" people don't fake serious disorders for attention or use suicide attempts/threats to gain sympathy, that shit's dysfunctional no matter how you want to slice it.
 
BPD has ties to factitious disorder, though.

People with BPD crave attention and try to trap people with them through emotional manipulation, so faking things to get sympathy is on-brand. Doing things like "attempting suicide" when someone calls you out on your behavior should be very sus for BPD. Also I don't know if any of you have lived with an NPD person, but Chloe would not be this fucking quiet if she was NPD. Or histrionic, for that matter. They truly do not shut the fuck up.

"Normal" people don't fake serious disorders for attention or use suicide attempts/threats to gain sympathy, that shit's dysfunctional no matter how you want to slice it.

Something something "Some men just want to watch the world burn." yadda yadda.
 
BPD has ties to factitious disorder, though.

People with BPD crave attention and try to trap people with them through emotional manipulation, so faking things to get sympathy is on-brand. Doing things like "attempting suicide" when someone calls you out on your behavior should be very sus for BPD. Also I don't know if any of you have lived with an NPD person, but Chloe would not be this fucking quiet if she was NPD. Or histrionic, for that matter. They truly do not shut the fuck up.

"Normal" people don't fake serious disorders for attention or use suicide attempts/threats to gain sympathy, that shit's dysfunctional no matter how you want to slice it.
I refuse to powerlevel to respond to this so here’s my objective take:

yeah I doubt she has any personality disorder, so with you on the no NPD and no HPD part.

looking at the symptoms you need to be diagnosed with BPD, I don’t see anything relating to her. She doesn’t have unstable relationships with her friends or partners, and they’re not even really intense from what we’ve seen. I’ve seen zero signs of a fear of abandonment. She clearly has a disturbed sense of self, but what she presents to her audience has been incredibly stable from even before she started her channel - the discrepancies can be explained by her trying to perform DID more accurately. Dissociation — honestly who knows. Self-destructive behavior - only the possible eating disorder can be tied to this, but BPD requires self-destruction in more than two areas of life. Mood swings, who knows, doesn’t seem like it based on her social medias. Intense anger - no, again, she’s never flown off the handle on Twitter. It doesn’t seem like she has chronic feelings of emptiness either, but we can’t see inside her head. The only thing left is suicide threats and attempts and self harm which barely fits.

she has far too good self-control over her actions and emotions to be considered for a BPD diagnosis.
 
Something something "Some men just want to watch the world burn." yadda yadda.
i get the sense some people just want to say "chloe is completely mentally fine and normal" out of a sense of personal responsibility that might be taken away if you suggest otherwise or something. as if it's making excuses for her or something. it's kind of unimportant, i'm just looking at it objectively.

if you fake a serious disorder to the point that you try and delude your entire family and friends and obsessively create some grand life story that doesn't exist, and harm yourself or attempt suicide whenever you get scrutiny... you're not fucking normal. plenty of kids want to be "different" and special as they come of age, they might even lie on the internet, but they don't do this shit. there is no reality where this is healthy behavior.
 
she has far too good self-control over her actions and emotions to be considered for a BPD diagnosis.

This. She’s just really good at manipulation, which could indeed be a sign that she has NPD, but I haven’t seen much evidence that can lend credence to that theory, imo.

i get the sense some people just want to say "chloe is completely mentally fine and normal" out of a sense of personal responsibility that might be taken away if you suggest otherwise or something. as if it's making excuses for her or something. it's kind of unimportant, i'm just looking at it objectively.

I get the point you’re trying to make. I may not agree, but I do understand your side of the argument. But, even if she has BPD or NPD or HPD, she is still accountable for her actions. Just because you have an illness or disorder (barring severe ones) doesn’t mean it’s okay to lie and manipulate others.
 
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i get the sense some people just want to say "chloe is completely mentally fine and normal" out of a sense of personal responsibility that might be taken away if you suggest otherwise or something. as if it's making excuses for her or something. it's kind of unimportant, i'm just looking at it objectively.

if you fake a serious disorder to the point that you try and delude your entire family and friends and obsessively create some grand life story that doesn't exist, and harm yourself or attempt suicide whenever you get scrutiny... you're not fucking normal. plenty of kids want to be "different" and special as they come of age, they might even lie on the internet, but they don't do this shit. there is no reality where this is healthy behavior.

The problem is, it's getting beaten dead ad nauseum that she possibly has another disorder. Continuing to suggest that she must have another disorder is another animal entirely, people can be neurotypical and just horrible people. That said, personality disorders still require personal accountability, they aren't chemically driven illnesses rather deeply ingrained learned behaviors that are aberrations considerable enough to be disorders. It's absolutely ridiculous to absolve someone of their actions because of a personality disorder.
 
In that post she says that a diagnosis will cost money but that doesn't make any sense to me. In the United Kingdom the NHS will refer you to a psychiatrist for free, all you have to do is see a GP in order to get a referral and getting a referral is extremely easy. Obviously she can go private but I have no idea why she would, if her condition is genuine and its as serious as she suggests then the NHS would probably mark her as a high risk patient and they would bend over backward to help her.

The mental health sector in the UK has been fucked for a long time but if you have a serious, debilitating mental health problem then the NHS will still cover your ass 24/7 for completely free.
This isn't necessarily true. I know for a fact that people with severe mental health problems are overlooked on a regular basis in the UK. The funding and help is not there within the NHS, this is why we see so many mental health charities pop up and even they are over run and under funded. People are taken into mental hospitals and only held for up to 72 hours and released again, when they really shouldn't be... usually after suicide attempts. They have an initial assessment and are then placed on a waiting list to see a specialist and those with really bad problems usually end up killing themselves before they ever get seen. Our waiting list for anything in the UK is up to three or more years. It is incredibly under funded. Mental health care is a huge worldwide problem and im not sure why we dont have better services. I can understand her going private but i do believe she sought out a diagnoses and went to that particular centre for a reason.
 
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