Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Ponderous Pillock]

Welcome to the 20k club. Any word on why deaths aren't being lowered? At this point with all of what the UK's doing it feels weird that they're still at 800.

The deaths we're seeing, as I said earlier, are probably only "just" getting through now after happening a fortnight ago. We've actually been down about 200 a day this week, with the only spikes happening at the weekends when there's less registrars about to officially record the deaths.

As it stands, we're again seeing lots of underlying condition people die off, it's entirely likely they would've just died at some point this year anyway, and Coronachan's getting 'em in early, we really do not know.

Neighbour of mine has now lost two old friends to the corona-chan kiss.

 

[Xerxes IX]

It's the same bullshit coward governments are saying all over the place.
Either they're dumb as fuck and ignoring the new science coming out, it's purposeful ignorance because they enjoy the control or they have darker, ulterior motives.

4 months ago we didn't think world lockdowns and house arrests would be possible, so....

There's no point preserving life if no one can live it.

The people in power are arrogant as fuck and believe time will stop just because they say so, and that they've just magically hit the pause button on society. They give absolutely no shits that people have lives, hence the needlessly antagonistic shit going down around the US like filling in skate parks with sand and banning buying seeds to grow food. Doesn't help that they found just the right talking point to mobilize the slacktivists, ie. saying that them staying home and doing nothing makes them literal heroes saving lives, so now all of them are going around screeching at anyone who acts otherwise or god forbid wants this to end.

 

[knobslobbin]

The narrative by the powers that be who benefit from an extended shutdown (mostly the democrats*, but also the globalists for the who cares about rest of the world) is getting desperate.

They know that the mortality rate will keep getting pushed down to barely be worse than the flu, so they have to trot out this bs about "but what about all the secondary scare mongering? like what if your allergies are worse, or maybe your taint gets ticklish every time you get railed by us from now on?" Sad and predictable.

This milk guzzler is fucking done with all the illegal orders. I go out everyday and support any business I see open. I'm taking a break from reddit too, fuck those tards are going insane over seeing who can REEEE for the most authoritarianism. It'd be funny if I wasn't the type they want to be under the boot first.

*No that doesn't make me a conservatard, their flavor of exceptionalism is just as gross.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

The narrative by the powers that be who benefit from an extended shutdown (mostly the democrats*, but also the globalists for the who cares about rest of the world) is getting desperate.

They know that the mortality rate will keep getting pushed down to barely be worse than the flu, so they have to trot out this bs about "but what about all the secondary scare mongering? like what if your allergies are worse, or maybe your taint gets ticklish every time you get railed by us from now on?" Sad and predictable.

This tard cum guzzler is fucking done with all the illegal orders. I go out everyday and support any business I see open. I'm taking a break from reddit too, fuck those tards are going insane over seeing who can REEEE for the most authoritarianism. It'd be funny if I wasn't the type they want to be under the boot first.

*No that doesn't make me a conservatard, their flavor of exceptionalism is just as gross.

 

[Otterly]

Welcome to the 20k club. Any word on why deaths aren't being lowered? At this point with all of what the UK's doing it feels weird that they're still at 800.

My guess would be that the uk curve will be steep rise, long plateau and gradual tail off. Ditto sweden. You guys had a shorter, sharper outbreak and quarantined harder. So a shorter more intense infection curve. I think there will have been a lot of new transmission over Easter too - Britain isn’t very religious but schools normally have a couple of weeks over Easter so people are used to taking time off to see family, and the weather was nice (don’t forget that the rain warming up a bit or stopping for a day or two counts as summer in these parts.) people will have been out and about.


the really interesting thing is going to be how this al plays out now. It’s getting to flu season down under. What are those curves looking like by xmas?
My source in the land of the meatball tells me that the KTH antibody test is looking promising. Results supposed to be released tomorrow, I’ll put them in if they do no one else posts.

 

[CeleryStalks]

Michigan, USA

I would like to point out, and apologize for not noticing it yesterday, that while facial coverings will generally be required in all enclosed public spaces starting Monday, April 27, no criminal penalty will be enforced for failure to comply.
Also, I misread the order. Facial coverings will be required in places of worship.

Spoiler: Legalese

Effective on April 26, 2020 at 11:59 pm:
15(a) Any individual able to medically tolerate a face covering must wear a covering over his or her nose and mouth—such as a homemade mask, scarf, bandana, or handkerchief—when in any enclosed public space.
16. Nothing in this order should be taken to supersede another executive order or directive that is in effect, except to the extent this order imposes more stringent limitations on in-person work, activities, and interactions. Consistent with prior guidance, neither a place of religious worship nor its owner is subject to penalty under section 20 of this order for allowing religious worship at such place. No individual is subject to penalty under section 20 of this order for violating section 15(a) of this order.
20. Consistent with MCL 10.33 and MCL 30.405(3), a willful violation of this order is a misdemeanor,

The legislature has not yet presented an official reopening plan.

As expected, the 13th Congressional District Democratic Party organization has censured State Rep. Karen Whitsett (D-Detroit) after she met with President Donald Trump (R) and thanked him for his endorsement of hydroxychloroquine, which she credits with saving her life from Corona-Chan. Highlights:

The resolution states Whitsett has "misrepresented the needs and priorities" of Democratic leadership to the president and public.

The resolution also notes she's participated in events with the Republican Women's Federation of Michigan to express gratitude to the president.

Whitsett, the resolution said, "has repeatedly and publicly praised the president's delayed and misguided COVID-19 response efforts in contradiction with the scientifically based and action-oriented response" from Michigan's Democratic leadership, "endangering the health, safety and welfare of her constituents, the city of Detroit and the state of Michigan."...

"The admonition means she will not get the group’s endorsement for this year nor will she be able to engage in the group’s activities for the next two election cycles."

Detroit Democrats unanimously censure lawmaker who credited Trump for COVID-19 recovery

The resolution states Whitsett has "misrepresented the needs and priorities" of Democratic leadership to the president and public.

www.detroitnews.com

(archive)
Old article, archive, Discussion in the TDS Thread, Discussion in this thread

A federal judge has ruled that, owing to the shutdown, candidates for office only need collect half the usual number of signatures, and have some additional time to do so. This ruling comes in a lawsuit filed by several candidates against the state of Michigan.

Judge sides with Michigan political candidates on signature requirements for ballot under stay order

A judge issued the ruling late Friday, April 25

www.mlive.com

(archive)

Spoiler: Michigan Recap

SHUTDOWNS
Shelter-in-place order and shutdown of everything non-essential from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. Friday, May 1, Friday, May 15 (archive) (executive order saved on KF) Marijuana shops are open. Tobacco shops are closed (archive). K-12 schools suspended for remainder of year, but alternate learning plans will be implemented (archive) (archive). Facial coverings are required in enclosed public spaces starting Monday, April 27.
Lawsuits against the shutdown order are multiplying (archive). However, "all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings" are suspended until the end of the states of emergency and disaster. (archive). Major protest at the State Capitol April 15 (A&N thread). Minor protest outside Governor's Mansion April 23 (archive) .
The Big Three Auto manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler) are closing all factories in the USA, putting well over 150,000 workers out of work. This figure does not include workers at supplier factories, which will also be obliged to close. (archive) (archive) (archive). They will be making a small number of parts for emergency vehicles, and production of ventilators, etc. has begun (archive- GM's ventilators, April 17).

ECONOMY AND MISCELLANY
Over 1 million unemployment claims filed = 10% of the total population of the state, nearly 25% of the workforce (Archive - April 16).
Big Brother is watching, and he approves. Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel down by 45%, compared to 40% nation-wide (website) (news article archive).
Car crashes are down, fatal car crashes are down, and overall death is actually down. (archive - April 12)

FREE STUFF!
Evictions suspended while the state of emergency lasts (archive)
Water will be turned back on for all households while the crisis lasts (archive)

HEALTH CARE
Hydroxychloroquine banned by governor's order (archive). Nevermind LOL! Now she's asking the federal government for it and claiming the ban was a typo in the first place. (archive). Detroit-area hospitals are testing the drug's effectiveness as a preventative on first responders and health-care workers (archive).
Up-to-date count of available hospital beds, etc. in the State (the Detroit area is "Section 2, North and South.")(government website)
Detroit field hospital admits first 8 Corona patients. It will only be taking the less-serious cases. No one on ventilators.(archive - April 14)
Another field hospital in Detroit scaled back after drop in cases. Original plan was to open with 1,100 beds. Now they are only going to open with 250, planned to open April 20. (archive - April 11)
Our statistics are inaccurate, because deaths are being both overcounted and undercounted (archive)

LAW AND ORDER
All localities given more discretion to release prisoners early (archive). The State prison system is not currently releasing inmates early.
Lansing (the capitol) police are not physically responding to minor crimes such as larceny, property damage, and break-ins to unoccupied buildings, including garages. Other police are adopting similar policies (archive) (archive).
Detroit crime still down (archive - April 12); Muskegon police report crime is up (archive).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $1500 fines and 90 days jail time. Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive).
The police cannot, at present, pull drivers over simply for being out during the shutdown (archive). Local police in the rural north and in Detroit suburbs have alike stated they will not be enforcing parts of the order (archive).

DEATH TOLL

58 deaths added today upon state review.

Note on deaths (04/25/20): Regular reviews of death certificate data maintained in Vital Records reporting systems are conducted by MDHHS staff three times per week. As a part of this process, records that identify COVID-19 infection as a contributing factor to death are compared against all laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the Michigan Disease Surveillance System (MDSS). If a death certificate is matched to a confirmed COVID-19 case and that record in the MDSS does not indicate the individual died, the MDSS record is updated to indicate the death and the appropriate local health department is notified. These matched deaths are then included with mortality information posted to the Michigan Coronavirus website. As a result of the most recent assessment, today’s data includes 58 additional deaths identified by this methodology.

Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000 total; 1,796/sq. mi.; 694/sq km):*

27,568 confirmed / 2,698 dead
27,233 confirmed / 2,532 dead yesterday
(i.e. 166 new deaths, up 90 from previous day)
Normal Detroit Metro Death Rate: 104 per day.**

Other Michigan (6,120,000; 65/sq. mi.; 25/sq km):

9,635 confirmed / 576 dead
9,408 confirmed / 553 dead yesterday
(i.e. 23 new deaths, down 9 from previous day)
Normal not-Detroit Death Rate: 167 per day**

All Michigan (9,990,000; 103/sq. mi.; 40/sq km):

37,203 confirmed / 3,274 dead / 8,342 recovered
36,641 confirmed / 3,085 dead yesterday
30,791 confirmed / 2,308 dead / 3,237 recovered last week
(i.e. 189 new deaths, up 81 from previous day, up 25 without the adjustment.)
(966 dead (up 50) and 5,105 declared recovered (up 2,301) since last week)
Normal Michigan Death Rate: 271 per day.**

Death toll doubled since: April 13.
We have been locked down since: March 24.

Detroit Metro Daily Deaths Last Seven Days:
69 / 49 / 199*** / 92 / 135*** / 76 / 166*** = 786***

State Government site, daily - today's archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - today's archive.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in a category of their own.
** As of 2018.
*** 95, 55, and 58 statewide deaths, respectively, were added on these days because of a review of the records. Presumably most were in Detroit, but I don't know exactly how many.
Also one Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

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Yeah, your track record with "evidence" is so shoddy that it cost you hundreds of millions of dollars in funding. That's some lovely panic-mongering you've got there, but I have no interest whatsoever in anything else that your organization has to say.

There is rapidly becoming a parallel set of policy and the science it is based on. It's becoming Trump/CDC/Republicans/Conservatives on the one side, China/WHO/Democrats/Liberals on the other. Each side will have a dogmatic opinion on every part of the virus, vaccines, treatments, lockdowns, etc. And it will be polarized and each will have experts to back up their feels because

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Update. Gov will finally let us do excercize with social distancing on the 2nd of may. This is from the central gov level so it affects everyone. Dunno what the localities are saying for now. I know some of the small villages have said fuck it and reopened fully, but they had no cases for a while anyway so who gives a fuck. If you ask me they had no need to close to begin with. We'll see how deescalation goes.

There is rapidly becoming a parallel set of policy and the science it is based on. It's becoming Trump/CDC/Republicans/Conservatives on the one side, China/WHO/Democrats/Liberals on the other. Each side will have a dogmatic opinion on every part of the virus, vaccines, treatments, lockdowns, etc. And it will be polarized and each will have experts to back up their feels because
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For now Trump's side has course corrected when needed and been fairly consistently accurate. Not counting the conspiratards of course. So I'd say at least for now they do not think "science is what they want it to be", WHO has done nothing but lie.

ISCIII has had no political bent. They warned the gov, they spread accurate data and they've been consistent with the 2008 protocol against pandemic flu, and when I look outside. I see while Trump has said some bullshit he's always gone back and fixed it sooner or later. His excuses are bullshit but at least he does the right thing. That's how I know, he has the actual scientists on his side. And he's listening. And he's fixing his mistakes. Which the PP/Dems/WHO/Chinks sure as shint ain't doing.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

Masks are now mandatory in my area. If you don't have one when you go to the store, they're not letting you in. Although I've seen a very small amount of people who still wander without a mask, but it's rare.

Recently thousands of people went out to the beaches because it's warm now, and it's so dumb, considering the virus is still spreading. Oh, they'll hog and panic buy all the TP which is still missing from the stores I go to, but they don't care that going out in large crowds will spread more.

Don't panic buy if you're going to just go out and be in groups. It's a waste of time, and it's annoying.

 

[MediocreMilt]

Masks are now mandatory in my area. If you don't have one when you go to the store, they're not letting you in. Although I've seen a very small amount of people who still wander without a mask, but it's rare.

Recently thousands of people went out to the beaches because it's warm now, and it's so dumb, considering the virus is still spreading. Oh, they'll hog and panic buy all the TP which is still missing from the stores I go to, but they don't care that going out in large crowds will spread more.

Don't panic buy if you're going to just go out and be in groups. It's a waste of time, and it's annoying.

Panic buying is mostly due to concern about the supply chain, not the virus itself.

Also just lemming behavior where people are buying shit because everyone's buying shit.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Welcome to the 20k club. Any word on why deaths aren't being lowered? At this point with all of what the UK's doing it feels weird that they're still at 800.

No shit it's weird. Look here

United Kingdom Coronavirus: 114,217 Cases and 15,464 Deaths - Worldometer

United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

https://archive.vn/sYE2z

New cases seem to be stuck at 4-5K with no sign of a drop-off

New deaths are a bit more variable but no sign of a drop off there either.

And the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change reckons we should wait for New Cases to go below 500 a day before any lockdown lift which looks like it's a month off even if new cases started falling now. And even then you'd need an app on your phone which would certify you as uninfected. Spend more than a few minutes close to a person who turns out to be infected and you're considered infected and banned from entering anywhere and are effectively even more confined to home than you are now.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-megathread.65421/page-1454#post-6324895

This is bone.

I'm glad I've got a couple of weeks' worth of food.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Crazy shit Kiwis, I found hand sanitizer at the store today. It was in a shampoo bottle, but we're all gonna be okay now.

 

[Not Really Here]

Crazy shit Kiwis, I found hand sanitizer at the store today. It was in a shampoo bottle, but we're all gonna be okay now.

Remember it doesn't work unless you can get a DUI from smelling it really hard.

 

[Barnard]

Polish update. +381/+30/+182 new cases/deaths/recoveries.

Everyone and their dog is talking about the bullshit May election. It's been mentioned in the thread before. To recap, the government went through with legislation to turn the planned presidential relection into a vote-by-mail one. They will get their guy win, but it's half-assed and might fail in a number of ways. Instead of pouncing on these issues, the opposition is screeching about how getting a ballot in mail will kill you. As is, journalists are openly doing their job for them. The main counter-proposal is to have the election in August, which is not backed up by any safety considerations, it's just the last moment before the office is vacated.

I do want the election to go through if it can be organized and carried out properly, but seeing as everyone is trying to undermine it, that's a snowball's chance in hell. Disheartening, tiresome stuff. Will probably witness a repeat on a greater scale in the US, half a year from now.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I do want the election to go through if it can be organized and carried out properly, but seeing as everyone is trying to undermine it, that's a snowball's chance in hell. Disheartening, tiresome stuff. Will probably witness a repeat on a greater scale in the US, half a year from now.

It could be worse, you could be in Hungary.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Polish update. +381/+30/+182 new cases/deaths/recoveries.

Everyone and their dog is talking about the bullshit May election. It's been mentioned in the thread before. To recap, the government went through with legislation to turn the planned presidential relection into a vote-by-mail one. They will get their guy win, but it's half-assed and might fail in a number of ways. Instead of pouncing on these issues, the opposition is screeching about how getting a ballot in mail will kill you. As is, journalists are openly doing their job for them. The main counter-proposal is to have the election in August, which is not backed up by any safety considerations, it's just the last moment before the office is vacated.

I do want the election to go through if it can be organized and carried out properly, but seeing as everyone is trying to undermine it, that's a snowball's chance in hell. Disheartening, tiresome stuff. Will probably witness a repeat on a greater scale in the US, half a year from now.

I'd say the sane thing would be pushing them to august, maybe if shit goes really poorly june (though that'd depend on how your law handles pushing things past usual terms). But honestly with 30 deaths a day if they were well organized (read: enforce social distancing on the lines and spread them out over a longer than usual period to deflate density) they could be done now without too much issue. Either way, it's... being handled in certainly slightly worrysome ways. But not TOO worrysome ways. Vote by mail in spain means corrupt as fuck though. I sure as shit wouldn't trust our assholes in charge with that shit.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Daniel Hannan has joined the lockdown skeptics.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/25/sweden-succeeds-lockdownswill-have-nothing/

https://archive.vn/OO1kW

 

[Intensening Rapeye]

It'd be ironic if the only vaccine that works has some horrible side-effect like dementia.

And whats the stuff about some sort of neurobehavioral change in kids who have had this? Is that actually a thing.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

It's pure undiluted garbage. If you lockdown for 6-8 weeks all you will have done is delay the hit for 6-8 weeks. The only way out is via herd immunity. The Lockdowns are to simply slow the spread enough that it doesn't overwelm the ENTIRE Health Care system. Yeah 3-4 Hospitals in New York City getting hammered while other Hospitals in New York State are laying off 300+ Health Care Providers is not stressing the System. As long as there is sufficient hospital capacity we should begin opening and allowing the herd immunity to build, while avoiding large close contact gatherings.

There are two schools of thought. The official CDC "flatten the curve" slow the rates until we all get herd immunity plan and the CCP/ROK/WHO lockdown to snuff out the virus plan. All the fears and justifications you see about a "second wave" is from the second camp as herd immunity would largely protect from that.

What we are seeing in the US is a lot of governors saying one thing and doing another. Some quite openly. The little coalition of western coastal states is pretty open that they want to imitate South Korea to beat this but are using a misinterpretation of the CDC guidelines to do it. Anyone who actually questions this or governments that actually follow the guidelines by opening things up (Sweden, Georgia, Texas, etc) are getting hammered for not stomping it out with jackboots. This is because neighbors not playing ball exposes the massive flaw in their plan for reinfection.

 

[JosephStalin]

Made the usual Saturday commissary run this morning.

Saw the garrison commander there. Exchanged greetings. Donned mask to enter the store. Hard to breathe wearing mask due to allergies.

Plenty of water. Paper products much better. A fair bit of toilet paper and paper towels. Some tissues. No napkins. Not as many thin areas on shelves as before. Fresh meat, poultry, egg, milk, bread supplies good. Some shortages of sausages/other prepared meats, but we almost never eat them anyway. Vitamin selection still thin but got what was needed. Ran into a couple of people I knew. All in all, a fairly pleasant trip. Things getting back to normal at the commissary. Looking forward to being able to use two carts again, though. Don't like cramming everything into one cart.

Went to CVS drug store to get something commissary. Sign said only 25 customers allowed in the store at a time. Wishful thinking. Maybe eight or ten customers at most, any time. Very little paper products. But I found what I needed. Looked around the store a bit. Checked out the milk. Noticed a 52-ounce plastic bottle of Fairlife chocolate milk. Supposed to be processed in some special way, tastes very good. Bought mine at the commissary on sale for $2.50. $2.99 today. CVS charges $6.99 for the exact same thing. Jesus H. Christ. No wonder nobody seems to shop there.

Whoa. 1500 pages. 30,000 posts. Lots of information shared and exchanged. Lots of communications in a time when so many feel locked away.

Thanks to everyone for their posts. Always amazing to see so many here with so much valuable knowledge. If you haven't gained some knowledge here in a number of areas, you're just retarded.

When the thread was first started had no idea how long and far it would go. From where we are now wouldn't be surprised to see another 1500 pages and 30,000 posts. But I'd cheerfully ask Null to delete this thread if it meant all this Chinese flu bullshit would be over with.

Thanks again to everyone. Take care of yourselves, take care of your loved ones.