The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

There were 3 concurrent stories the Chosen were running with during WW2. Gas chambers, giant fire pits or electrocution chambers.

The one that stuck was the gas chambers. Unfortunately for people like Elie Wiesel he bet on the pits of fire story. So we have his account of being at Auschwitz and Buchenwald without a mention of gas chambers. Not even one!
If you type "how did they dispose bodies during holocaust" the top 3 answers of both duckduckgo and google give a result that claims funeral pyres or pits of fire as a means of disposing bodies.
 
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If you type "how did they dispose bodies during holocaust" the top 3 answers of both duckduckgo and google give a result that claims funeral pyres ir pits of fire as a means of disposing bodies.
I'm sure they're close to locating those 'pits', probably buried right next to the masturbation machines, bars of soap rendered from people, shrunken heads and lampshades made of skin.
 
I'll give a damn about the supposed holohoax when (((they))) give a damn about the Holodomor with the greater mass murder there, and the German Revolution of 1918-1919 where (((they))) tried to steal a country and genocide its people.
When I see reparations for 75+ years, and memorials and such with heads bowed and such, MAYBE I'll give a damn about a people whose very God constantly HAD to send them off to be almost wiped out dozens of times because even He couldn't stand them acting like shite. Hell with 'em.
 
The Holocaust ended 75 years ago. The problem with discussing the Holocaust as a fact is that for the majority of the last century, it hasn't been treated as a point of fact; it's been treated as a point of dogma, complete with the habitual buying of indulgences and anti-blasphemy laws. It's essentially become a cultural brain tumor in the west, where what should be points of settled law are simply thrown out the window because MUH SHOAH. Free speech? Sure, unless you blaspheme against the six gorillion. Collective punishment is a human rights violation? Spot-on, unless the people being collectively punished are Germans for the Holocaust. Ex post facto law forbidden? Sure, right up until a lawyer comes up with a tortuous legal argument to accuse nonagerians of accessory to murder because they worked in a facility where people were murdered seven decades ago. The whole thing is fucking ridiculous, and the constant rent-seeking after this much time and payola is risible.

Two questions I can't seem to find straight answers on, though, and some help would be appreciated: how many people survived the Holocaust, and how many of those survivors are alive today?
 
I saw a museum exhibit as a kid - it was full of toothbrushes, dentures, prosthetic legs and (IIRC) shorn hair. You can find pictures of it online, but if you're a denier you're gonna say all that shit can be faked anyway.
Imagine bringing your child to a place to be traumatized into believing a lie. Your emotional infatuation with a lie doesn’t make it true. You do know santa claus isn’t real either?
 
I'll give a damn about the supposed holohoax when (((they))) give a damn about the Holodomor with the greater mass murder there.


Doesnt that tacitly undermine your stances as you've pretty much admitted your belief of genocides is a popularity contest? All you really have to do is be a tankie and then suddenly the Ukranians can go fuck themselves.
 
What happened was the Nazis actually resurrected 6 million dead j.ews and said that they killed them to hide the technology, but then killed them again since there's no way 6 million people wouldn't talk about how they were resurrected.
 
Who has said that?


Just tell me which parts we need to believe so we don’t get arrested.
Do you live in the US?
Then none of it. It's your constitutional right to stand in the middle of the street and yell "OY VEY THE SIX GORILLION, HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG EXCEPT NOT ACTUALLY GASSING THE BIG NOSES". And it's other people's constitutional right to not want anything to do with someone who says that sort of thing.
 
Most of those country's "Holocaust denial laws" are fully general genocide denial laws: do you apply the same level of skepticism to the Armenian genocide, the Holodomor, the Rwandan genocide, etc. as the Holocaust? These, too, are genocides that are illegal to deny. The only countries that specifically have laws against denying the Holocaust instead of genocides in general are Israel (to little personal surprise), Russia (whose laws regarding "the vilification of Russian actions in WWII" essentially make denying the Holodomor and Russian war crimes mandatory), and Belgium for some reason (although it may have laws against other forms of genocide denial in a separate section of their penal code). Furthermore, several of the countries on the list have no genocide denial laws at all, but instead tend to prosecute Holocaust denial under hate speech laws when it arises (unsurprisingly, as Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism are usually joined by the hip when uttered by non-schizoids). The EU blanket law is, once again, a fully general genocide denial law.

If this was some kind of gamble built around the idea that I would not actually read the Wikipedia entry you sent me, it was misjudged.
I also seriously doubt you are a resident of any country on that list, with the exception of Australia, because your posting history reads like a /pol/ refugee.
 
As someone who was going into school for History & Archeology, I tend to ignore Holocaust deniers, for one simple reason: They hate a group so much that they're willing to deny that event never happened, just so they can get another crack at it. And this applies to any group, regardless if group is of ethnicity or political. They're willing to ignore primary and secondary sources of history just to validate their bloodlust and honestly, it's gross
 
As someone who was going into school for History & Archeology, I tend to ignore Holocaust deniers, for one simple reason: They hate a group so much that they're willing to deny that event never happened, just so they can get another crack at it. And this applies to any group, regardless if group is of ethnicity or political. They're willing to ignore primary and secondary sources of history just to validate their bloodlust and honestly, it's gross
that's very true. turkish nationalists don't deny the armenian genocide because they believe it didn't happen, they deny it because they hate armenians. same with holocaust deniers and je.ws, the pontic genocide deniers and the greeks, etc

every single genocide denier i've ever seen has been strongly biased against the group being genocided
 
All I know, my grandfather was at the liberation of Auschwitz.

He survived Omaha beach being 1 of 2 officers in his company to live. The other guy lost both of his legs...

But, that didn't break my grandfather. He could compartmentalize that...

No, what broke my grandfather was the shit he saw at the concentration camp...

The stuff he saw made him a raging alcholic for most of his life...

So, you could debate the exact death toll if you wish...

But nothing, not even Normandy, or the Hedgerows of France with the 1st Infantry Division could prepare him for the carnage he saw that day....

It was so inhuman it was almost alien...

Bodies of naked children were stacked in piles like garbage. That's just the beginning...
That's funny because Auschwitz was liberated by the Soviet Unions Red Army. No American, Englishman, or any other military force aside from the Russians were involved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_Auschwitz_concentration_camp

So Holocaust aside either you are making this up or your grandfather is just a liar.
 
These, too, are genocides that are illegal to deny.
Show me the list of people prosecuted for denying any other genocide than the Holocaust please.

I also seriously doubt you are a resident of any country on that list, with the exception of Australia, because your posting history reads like a /pol/ refugee.

Correct, I’m Australian.

Please tell me more about my post history, seems you triggered libtards can’t help yourselves when coming up against someone whose argument you don’t like.
 
Show me the list of people prosecuted for denying any other genocide than the Holocaust please.



Correct, I’m Australian.

Please tell me more about my post history, seems you triggered libtards can’t help yourselves when coming up against someone whose argument you don’t like.
You aren't presenting an argument. You are implying that the Holocaust did not happen without actually presenting a single argument, or even point, beyond posting some book by a literally who as if their bullshit disproved the entire Holocaust. This is because you cannot actually put forward a cogent argument that has not been addressed about the Holocaust being a wholesale fiction, and furthermore you are not interested in a cogent argument; that would imply you believe that truth and falsehood are relevant to the issue. Your behavior indicates that you do not. You deny the Holocaust because you are Anti-Semetic, and will continue to deny the Holocaust regardless of what arguments I put forward because acknowledgement of the Holocaust would require your position losing face and a moral high-ground. So I'll address the actual, root position behind your denial: why do you hate the Big Nose Tribe?
 
You aren't presenting an argument. You are implying that the Holocaust did not happen without actually presenting a single argument, or even point, beyond posting some book by a literally who as if their bullshit disproved the entire Holocaust. This is because you cannot actually put forward a cogent argument that has not been addressed about the Holocaust being a wholesale fiction, and furthermore you are not interested in a cogent argument; that would imply you believe that truth and falsehood are relevant to the issue. Your behavior indicates that you do not. You deny the Holocaust because you are Anti-Semetic, and will continue to deny the Holocaust regardless of what arguments I put forward because acknowledgement of the Holocaust would require your position losing face and a moral high-ground. So I'll address the actual, root position behind your denial: why do you hate the Big Nose Tribe?

I’m sorry, what argument have you put forward?

Back to my original question, which first hand accounts of the Holocaust am I allowed to believe or doubt?
 
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