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I wonder if the Democratic Party is already regretting picking Biden over Bernie, while I think that the communist grampa wouldn't have any opportunity against Trump at least it it won't have divided the party as the sniffer Biden is doing.

No. No regrets from the DNC.

The wonking I've heard about this is that the DNC leadership is split in basically two (in true DNC style, completely divorced from the reality of their base). Not Super Commie/Sorta commie, but Clinton vs. Obama.
Clinton dropped out in 2008 with the promise of the 2016 run. 2016 was going to go to Clinton. I know both primary fields are usually utter garbage, but look at the 2016 DNC field; cuck bernie was the best contender - think about that.

A group of DNC insiders, which for lack of a better term we'll call The Obama Loyalists (it might even more accurate to call them Dean Loyalists*), didn't like this and though the field should be open; they were told to shut the fuck up and sit down, which they did. When Clinton got BTFO like she deserved to be for being completely fucking tone deaf on everything, the Obama loyalists took the opportunity to say "The Clinton's can't run the DNC effectively anymore, Clinton gettign destroyed by Trump proves they are out of touch, its time for some new blood" and take control.

Biden is supposed to represent "See? People want a return to Obama not Clinton"; which ignores that Clinton ran the DNC for all the Obama years, but w/e.
No one in the DNC likes Bernie, except in so much as he's a good little bitch-cuck who plays token opposition and then immediately rolls over and submissively urinates.




*tl;dr Howard Dean, the 2004 yelling guy, came up with a solid idea that created an actual blue wave in 2006 with a "50 state strategy", aka "Fund fucking everthing bue, fight every election", also combined with full DNC backing to non-koolaid drinking candidates if they had better chances of winning. And it worked.
Fortunately for sane people everywhere, Howard didn't suck Clinton cock and his strategy, while effective, was expensive - that was money Clinton would need for her 2016 campaign. So he was kicked out in 2009, and his strategy abandoned** and we saw the deep red flipping of 2010.

** This is not quite as dumb as it sounds. The Republican apartatus had already started to adapt to Dean's plan, so the already expensive 50-state plan was likely to get more so as republicans in "safe" areas realized they needed to up their game and they planned to go harder in contested areas; 2010 they were able to use Barry Hussein's campaign funds to pull double duty and ease the hurt, but going into 2010 the DNC warchest was hurting.
So the 50-state plan was not sustainable once the Republicans woke up. But the DNC let a bunch of seats go red that could have been held fairly easily because the person in them didn't vote 100% DNC lockstep.
 
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I found this hashtag "trending" in my sidebar.
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...Do these people not realize that Obama was still President in 2017 through-out most of January?
 
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I’d consider this a screwup on Rudy’s part. He didn’t specify when the money was given, so it does look like Trump gave the money because he was the president for the majority of 2017.
 
No. No regrets from the DNC.

The wonking I've heard about this is that the DNC leadership is split in basically two (in true DNC style, completely divorced from the reality of their base). Not Super Commie/Sorta commie, but Clinton vs. Obama.
Clinton dropped out in 2008 with the promise of the 2016 run. 2016 was going to go to Clinton. I know both primary fields are usually utter garbage, but look at the 2016 DNC field; cuck bernie was the best contender - think about that.

A group of DNC insiders, which for lack of a better term we'll call The Obama Loyalists (it might even more accurate to call them Dean Loyalists*), didn't like this and though the field should be open; they were told to shut the fuck up and sit down, which they did. When Clinton got BTFO like she deserved to be for being completely fucking tone deaf on everything, the Obama loyalists took the opportunity to say "The Clinton's can run the DNC effectively anymore, its time for some new blood" and take control.

Biden is supposed to represent "See? People want a return to Obama not Clinton"; which ignores that Clinton ran the DNC for all the Obama years, but w/e.
No one in the DNC likes Bernie, except in so much as he's a good little bitch-cuck who plays token opposition and then immediately rolls over and submissively urinates.




*tl;dr Howard Dean, the 2004 yelling guy, came up with a solid idea that created an actual blue wave in 2006 with a "50 state strategy", aka "Fund fucking everthing bue, fight every election", also combined with full DNC backing to non-koolaid drinking candidates if they had better chances of winning. And it worked.
Fortunately for sane people everywhere, Howard didn't suck Clinton cock and his strategy, while effective, was expensive - that was money Clinton would need for her 2016 campaign. So he was kicked out in 2009, and his strategy abandoned** and we saw the deep red flipping of 2010.

** This is not quite as dumb as it sounds. The Republican apartatus had already started to adapt to Dean's plan, so the already expensive 50-state plan was likely to get more so as republicans in "safe" areas realized they needed to up their game and they planned to go harder in contested areas; 2010 they were able to use Barry Hussein's campaign funds to pull double duty and ease the hurt, but going into 2010 the DNC warchest was hurting.
So the 50-state plan was not sustainable once the Republicans woke up. But the DNC let a bunch of seats go red that could have been held fairly easily because the person in them didn't vote 100% DNC lockstep.
None of this is wrong, but I'd like to add to it. Something else occurred around 2012 which I think the DNC... doesn't know how to deal with. While there is a persistent myth that the Republicans simply try to outspend the Dems amongst the populace, the truth is that the Republicans have been putting far less money in the most recent elections. They never stopped -gaining- money though.

The RNC is sitting on an absolutely massive warchest that they seem reluctant to actually pull from. Presumably, because they want the funds to combat the Dean strategy should it be tried again. The DNC meanwhile... doesn't know how to combat that kind of push should the RNC use that chest on the offensive.
 
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It took me a minute to realize your point as I think you're off just a bit.

These people's mistakes is believing that government is some kind of fast food joint where things happen as soon as ordered. Depending on when in the year this 2017 money fund was given, it could have been set up MONTHS previously with the whole process started in 2016.

I mean I've seen smaller government organizations take 8 months to purchase copiers. You think Trump was in office 1 month and got a slush fund going to China? Especially when everyone was accusing him of being chaotic and the white house a mess at the time? If it was Oct or later in 2017, then they might have a chance that Trump did it, but it's a long shot.

It's really year 0 for these idiots.
 
It took me a minute to realize your point as I think you're off just a bit.

These people's mistakes is believing that government is some kind of fast food joint where things happen as soon as ordered. Depending on when in the year this 2017 money fund was given, it could have been set up MONTHS previously with the whole process started in 2016.

I mean I've seen smaller government organizations take 8 months to purchase copiers. You think Trump was in office 1 month and got a slush fund going to China? Especially when everyone was accusing him of being chaotic and the white house a mess at the time? If it was Oct or later in 2017, then they might have a chance that Trump did it, but it's a long shot.

It's really year 0 for these idiots.
These are often the same people who believe the government is near omniscient, and capable of fixing every problem that arises within a week of it arising. I wish that was hyperbole, but they honestly believe it. These are also often the same people who believe that Bernie Sander's getting in office means that all his policy proposals will just be signed into law the day he gets in. Legislative Branch? Judicial? What are those!? The President just Signs an Executive Order and it becomes law, right? /sneed
 

Why are people fapping over his sister?
The guy isn't even confirmed dead.
Are these people going to get blue balls waiting for their queen to become supreme dictator of a shithole nation?

Do their balls just explode if Kim Jong Un turns out to be alive?
 
It took me a minute to realize your point as I think you're off just a bit.

These people's mistakes is believing that government is some kind of fast food joint where things happen as soon as ordered. Depending on when in the year this 2017 money fund was given, it could have been set up MONTHS previously with the whole process started in 2016.

I mean I've seen smaller government organizations take 8 months to purchase copiers. You think Trump was in office 1 month and got a slush fund going to China? Especially when everyone was accusing him of being chaotic and the white house a mess at the time? If it was Oct or later in 2017, then they might have a chance that Trump did it, but it's a long shot.

It's really year 0 for these idiots.
From what I've gathered, and I don't know if this is necessarily true, the grant was approved months before the election and signed off on/finalized during the handover period at the start of 2017. Even if someone had briefed Trump on a CDC issue he might not have had time to stop it.
 
It took me a minute to realize your point as I think you're off just a bit.

These people's mistakes is believing that government is some kind of fast food joint where things happen as soon as ordered. Depending on when in the year this 2017 money fund was given, it could have been set up MONTHS previously with the whole process started in 2016.

I mean I've seen smaller government organizations take 8 months to purchase copiers. You think Trump was in office 1 month and got a slush fund going to China? Especially when everyone was accusing him of being chaotic and the white house a mess at the time? If it was Oct or later in 2017, then they might have a chance that Trump did it, but it's a long shot.

It's really year 0 for these idiots.
People really underestimate how long a governmental process can take when there is significant money and resources to be considered. Here's a short timeline of events regarding something rather small in the grand scheme of things: the fence around the White House.

Guy jumps the fence in September 2014.
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The plans for a new fence were put into motion at that time.
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Verifiable by the commissioner's report. (pdf attached)
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There was probably a bunch of financial wrangling in Congress, didn't find anything at the barest of google searches

July 2019 the wall finally starts going up.
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This is the headline printed. (Admittedly, it's hilarious)
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Why are people fapping over his sister?
The guy isn't even confirmed dead.
Are these people going to get blue balls waiting for their queen to become supreme dictator of a shithole nation?

Do their balls just explode if Kim Jong Un turns out to be alive?

One, a lot of them don't read beyond the headline. Two, "YASS QUEEN SLAY!!!". Three, the moviebob's of the world love the idea of authoritarian Asian girlboss waifu.
 
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It's all a bunch of blather about some grant to the Wuhan Lab like that's somehow incriminating. It's not, regardless of which president OKed it.

But the thing that stuck out to me is that douche that blames the deaths from the ChiCom coronavirus on Trump and the casualties in Vietnam on Nixon. Total inversion of reality in both cases. Kennedy and Johnson lied us into the Vietnam war with the Gulf of Tonkin incident and Nixon ended our involvement.
 
None of this is wrong, but I'd like to add to it. Something else occurred around 2012 which I think the DNC... doesn't know how to deal with. While there is a persistent myth that the Republicans simply try to outspend the Dems amongst the populace, the truth is that the Republicans have been putting far less money in the most recent elections. They never stopped -gaining- money though.

The RNC is sitting on an absolutely massive warchest that they seem reluctant to actually pull from. Presumably, because they want the funds to combat the Dean strategy should it be tried again. The DNC meanwhile... doesn't know how to combat that kind of push should the RNC use that chest on the offensive.

Its a combo of things. As you said, the RNC realized they got caught flat-footed (empty pocketed?) in 2006, and reversed course expertly. The RNC no longer needs to feat a DNC surprise. The RNC fund-raising machine was given every it needed in Obama, and in "We need to combat the DNC's 50 state push!"; the RNC seems content to fight the fight as it was before, while not giving the DNC the sort of clarion call for the donations they got in 2008.

Dean's plan, while successful, didn't bring in corresponding levels of donations. He burned a LOT of money, and gave it the congress he got elected to Obama who only managed to use it to pass the terrible piece of legislation that was the ACA (otoh, i shudder to think what HRC would have been able to do with double-stacked D supermajorities, so I guess Thanks, Obama.)

The other thing is how the Clinton DNC uses(d) campaign money, which was to hire 'consultants' as a way to send money to political allies directly or via relatives (also to re-route local fund raising to the national level). Hiring a bunch of paycheck collectors and incompetents dramatically increases your cash burn and reduces the effectiveness of the dollars you do have.

But none of that was supposed to matter, because Hilary was supposed to be in the white house, and the Clintons were going to make it rain in the DNC coffers like it was the 90s again. Hilary had been using the Clinton Global Foundation to demonstrate her ability turn power into money (and one of the reasons [+ the piss poor state of DNC finances] that the Clinton camp was able to sideline detractors 'we don't have the money to run Bernie')

No one seems to remember the Clinton fund raising scandals of the 90s. For the unenlightened, the Clintons pretty much sold access to Bill; they met with big DNC donors, let them stay in the whitehouse, visit at camp david, etc.
 
Its a combo of things. As you said, the RNC realized they got caught flat-footed (empty pocketed?) in 2006, and reversed course expertly. The RNC no longer needs to feat a DNC surprise. The RNC fund-raising machine was given every it needed in Obama, and in "We need to combat the DNC's 50 state push!"; the RNC seems content to fight the fight as it was before, while not giving the DNC the sort of clarion call for the donations they got in 2008.

Dean's plan, while successful, didn't bring in corresponding levels of donations. He burned a LOT of money, and gave it the congress he got elected to Obama who only managed to use it to pass the terrible piece of legislation that was the ACA (otoh, i shudder to think what HRC would have been able to do with double-stacked D supermajorities, so I guess Thanks, Obama.)

The other thing is how the Clinton DNC uses(d) campaign money, which was to hire 'consultants' as a way to send money to political allies directly or via relatives (also to re-route local fund raising to the national level). Hiring a bunch of paycheck collectors and incompetents dramatically increases your cash burn and reduces the effectiveness of the dollars you do have.

But none of that was supposed to matter, because Hilary was supposed to be in the white house, and the Clintons were going to make it rain in the DNC coffers like it was the 90s again. Hilary had been using the Clinton Global Foundation to demonstrate her ability turn power into money (and one of the reasons [+ the piss poor state of DNC finances] that the Clinton camp was able to sideline detractors 'we don't have the money to run Bernie')

No one seems to remember the Clinton fund raising scandals of the 90s. For the unenlightened, the Clintons pretty much sold access to Bill; they met with big DNC donors, let them stay in the whitehouse, visit at camp david, etc.
The interesting thing is that the RNC seems content to always pay the same amount, calculated for interest. This means they have continued building up the warchest since they don't turn any surge of donations into a surge of advertising. An observor might note they now have enough to do a similar, Dean style push while at the same time having enough to defend themselves come the election after.

Political theorizing time: The RNC is setting up to do a Dean Push in 2024. The reason they did not do it in 2016 is due to lack of faith in Trump at the time, and the reason they won't do it in 2020 is faith in him and not wanting to waste the money on a weak opponent.
 
By now, literally everyone that isn't exceptional knows Trump has a penchant for rambling and putting words in places that don't really make sense unless you think of them in another context. Like when he said Hillary Clinton bleached her emails. He doesn't literally mean she got Clorox and bleached them. He meant she wiped them clean off of both her server and her harddrive. If you hear someone talk a certain way for 4 years, you ought to have picked up on patterns like this. It's not hard.
That imo was more of a boomer moment because the program was called BleachBit, Trump just probably went "oh bleach on
No. No regrets from the DNC.

The wonking I've heard about this is that the DNC leadership is split in basically two (in true DNC style, completely divorced from the reality of their base). Not Super Commie/Sorta commie, but Clinton vs. Obama.
Clinton dropped out in 2008 with the promise of the 2016 run. 2016 was going to go to Clinton. I know both primary fields are usually utter garbage, but look at the 2016 DNC field; cuck bernie was the best contender - think about that.

A group of DNC insiders, which for lack of a better term we'll call The Obama Loyalists (it might even more accurate to call them Dean Loyalists*), didn't like this and though the field should be open; they were told to shut the fuck up and sit down, which they did. When Clinton got BTFO like she deserved to be for being completely fucking tone deaf on everything, the Obama loyalists took the opportunity to say "The Clinton's can't run the DNC effectively anymore, Clinton gettign destroyed by Trump proves they are out of touch, its time for some new blood" and take control.

Biden is supposed to represent "See? People want a return to Obama not Clinton"; which ignores that Clinton ran the DNC for all the Obama years, but w/e.
No one in the DNC likes Bernie, except in so much as he's a good little bitch-cuck who plays token opposition and then immediately rolls over and submissively urinates.




*tl;dr Howard Dean, the 2004 yelling guy, came up with a solid idea that created an actual blue wave in 2006 with a "50 state strategy", aka "Fund fucking everthing bue, fight every election", also combined with full DNC backing to non-koolaid drinking candidates if they had better chances of winning. And it worked.
Fortunately for sane people everywhere, Howard didn't suck Clinton cock and his strategy, while effective, was expensive - that was money Clinton would need for her 2016 campaign. So he was kicked out in 2009, and his strategy abandoned** and we saw the deep red flipping of 2010.

** This is not quite as dumb as it sounds. The Republican apartatus had already started to adapt to Dean's plan, so the already expensive 50-state plan was likely to get more so as republicans in "safe" areas realized they needed to up their game and they planned to go harder in contested areas; 2010 they were able to use Barry Hussein's campaign funds to pull double duty and ease the hurt, but going into 2010 the DNC warchest was hurting.
So the 50-state plan was not sustainable once the Republicans woke up. But the DNC let a bunch of seats go red that could have been held fairly easily because the person in them didn't vote 100% DNC lockstep.
But then who is winning, if the rumors I heard about the DNC trying to shut down any upcoming person interested in politics if they are a white male are true??
 
Political theorizing time: The RNC is setting up to do a Dean Push in 2024. The reason they did not do it in 2016 is due to lack of faith in Trump at the time, and the reason they won't do it in 2020 is faith in him and not wanting to waste the money on a weak opponent.
Are you saying even Republicans were concerned about Trump and their reputation as a political party after 2016?

The way I see it, Trump is the RNC's wild card now. There will NEVER be another President like Trump for better or worse. He'll sink the RNC if they go out of line as he would the DNC. He isn't loyal to anybody but his own interests.

2024, I could see the RNC going back to normalcy a la 2004 because a Trump endorsement would isolate many voters on both sides. They want a government puppet they can control like Bush and Obama.
 
Are you saying even Republicans were concerned about Trump and their reputation as a political party after 2016?

The way I see it, Trump is the RNC's wild card now. There will NEVER be another President like Trump for better or worse. He'll sink the RNC if they go out of line as he would the DNC. He isn't loyal to anybody but his own interests.

2024, I could see the RNC going back to normalcy a la 2004 because a Trump endorsement would isolate many voters on both sides. They want a government puppet they can control like Bush and Obama.

There have been others. Jackson was one, and I forgot the other, but we get a Trump-like figure every so often. They are basically a release valve for the voters when they hate both parties.
 
The newgrounds guys got weird after a while, like most edgy comedians once they got older and established they seem to lose all their edge and begin to tow the party line.
Some people are edgy until their views become mainstream, after which they strictly toe party lines. It's basically political law.
 
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