The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

I do want it on record that David Cole is no longer a Holocaust denier, if he ever was one in the truest sense of the word. He was a revisionist, but I don't recall him ever truly denying the Holocaust happened. A few years back after publishing Republican Party Animal, Feral House posted this statement from Mr. Cole on their Facebook page where he criticizes Eric Hunt, a man who has also since left Holocaust denial.

As a matter of fact, David Cole confronted Ron Unz about an article published on unz.com on Holocaust denial.


Why are there so many places that call him a holocaust denier if he has never been one?

One might almost begin to think there is something to the claim that people get brushed with those broad strokes too easily.

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As for people bringing up Rosenblat's "it was real in my mind", it is a funny meme, but let's remind ourselves that the only thing he provably lied about was a romantic story about meeting his wife there, I don't think there was any evidence that he hadn't been in camp.
 
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I'm not asking for a video. I'm asking for a scan of the paper. You can falsify details in video, in order to sell a idea.


Im not giving the NYT any of my money. But feel free to search through their archives.
 
YES. The Holocaust is the systematic killing of Trump's Chosen+other minorities, ethical & political. They didn't just use gas Chambers, they used firing squads, carbon monoxide, starvation and other means to kill as many people as they can in a short amount of time. There are too many first and secondary sources that confirmed this.

Here's some food for thought: you wanna know why it's always been consistently 6 million, not higher or lower? Because they registered people with numbers ON THEIR SKIN WHEN so they don't lose them. Those dead people are on paperwork, to confirm that they are dead.

It's worth mentioning that NOT all people with numbers at the concentration camps were jews. I don't know what percentage it was, but many people went there simply because they were males of military age. I have a family member who was one. There were also anyone who didn't like Nazis, never mind those who actively fought against them.

Another thing to think about is the comparison of the Nazi concentration camps vs Soviet Gulag camps in terms of mortality. There were stats that many lower tier Soviet GULAG camps easily beat Nazi "death" camps in their most productive years. Think what that means. Soviets didn't gas anyone (in the camps, but there were some cases post revolution), there is not even discussion about it. They simply worked people to death and didn't feed them, and just like that, without even trying, they easily outpaced Nazis who supposably made it their goal to exterminate jews.

I don't doubt that some of that took place (i.e. gassing) in some instances, but I think that mostly they used them as cheap labor force and didn't give two shits about their survival.

The other thing, in the 20th century there has been many holocausts and genocides. Armenian, Ukrainian. There were also Stalin's camps and Mao beat them all combined. Africa ... that's a special place. ... but who whines the loudest and still getting payments of compensation to this very day? I can easily see how the constant whining, tugging on heart strings produces a lot of accounts where truth is stretched too far or simply invented to keep the shitshow going.

Imagine if iPhones had swasticas on them or they were legit Nazi made? But Americans have no problem buying from commies who put Nazis to shame with their pitiful record. Again, it's not the number that matters, it's the narrative and how hard it is being pushed. That should be a clear signal that you need double evidence on claims.
 
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Alright, so after looking at it, and the time frame it was in, it is talking roughly about the 6 million Jewish Polish/Ukrainian who lived in that region... Which is also the same region that The Holocaust happened. You do know countries have censuses, right? I doubt they pulled the 6 million out their asses, they probably gathered the data and were able to gauge those that are in risk of active pogroms in that region.
 
Alright, so after looking at it, and the time frame it was in, it is talking roughly about the 6 million Trump's Chosen Polish/Ukrainian who lived in that region... Which is also the same region that The Holocaust happened. You do know countries have censuses, right? I doubt they pulled the 6 million out their asses, they probably gathered the data and were able to gauge those that are in risk of active pogroms in that region.
That was just one example of the 6 million being used between 1915 and 1938 by the newspapers. Do I need to literally spoon feed you every single example or can you be a big boy and do your own homework?
 
That was just one example of the 6 million being used between 1915 and 1938 by the newspapers. Do I need to literally spoon feed you every single example or can you be a big boy and do your own homework?
I think you're missing my point. I ain't going to convince you, let's agree to disagree.
 
Compare and contrast:

Here's some food for thought: you wanna know why it's always been consistently 6 million, not higher or lower? Because they registered people with numbers ON THEIR SKIN WHEN so they don't lose them. Those dead people are on paperwork, to confirm that they are dead.
I'm not talking about our records. We don't know how many Holocaust survivors actually survived due to the SS/Nazi's retreating and as a result, they did a assortment of things:

  • Destroyed most of their data before the Soviets arrived(good reason too, Soviet soldiers captured by the Wermacht were often handed over to the SS, who tortured/did heinous experiments on them)
  • Basically said fuck it and either just killed prisoners or took food and left, leaving survivors to starve
  • Or just left, grabbing supplies in order to survive long enough to reach the Western front, fearing Soviet forces.
As a result, some places have complete archives of victims and of what they did to them and their bodies, and other places were completely ransacked/destroyed.
Their's also the issue that a the nazi's had an invested interest in keeping the documentation to a minimal for a number of practical reasons.

So on one hand, the Nazis were autistic record-keepers who documented everything which is how we know the six gorillion is totally legit to the point of being beyond doubt (and making you a Nazi yourself if you do doubt it) while on the other, the War was a big clusterfuck with lots of records getting destroyed and lost and nobody's really sure how many people were deported to the camps (and if you ask you're a Nazi.)

Do you see how this Schrodinger's record-keeping might set off some people's bullshit detectors? I mean, the prisoners were supposed to be counted and serialized; why not just add up the recorded intake at each camp for a total, then subtract 11 million for survivors? Or is there some problem with what should be very basic math that somehow doesn't impede the official death toll?
 
That's funny because Auschwitz was liberated by the Soviet Unions Red Army. No American, Englishman, or any other military force aside from the Russians were involved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_Auschwitz_concentration_camp

So Holocaust aside either you are making this up or your grandfather is just a liar.

Right, and if you read my followup posts, I clarified.

I never said the 1st infantry division liberated it..

I have no idea the location of his assignment after his injury sustained in France. He was not at the Battle of Bulge which was the location of the 1st infantry division l(during Auschwitz liberation)...

Late to the party friend, read the thread before beating a dead horse...
 
Compare and contrast:

So on one hand, the Nazis were autistic record-keepers who documented everything which is how we know the six gorillion is totally legit to the point of being beyond doubt (and making you a Nazi yourself if you do doubt it) while on the other, the War was a big clusterfuck with lots of records getting destroyed and lost and nobody's really sure how many people were deported to the camps (and if you ask you're a Nazi.)

Do you see how this Schrodinger's record-keeping might set off some people's bullshit detectors? I mean, the prisoners were supposed to be counted and serialized; why not just add up the recorded intake at each camp for a total, then subtract 11 million for survivors? Or is there some problem with what should be very basic math that somehow doesn't impede the official death toll?



How would the destruction of documents during the war and Nazi's being big on book keeping (which no one in the posts claimed) be contradictory? I can sort of see how my statement they deliberatly obfuscated what was going on might clash with later attempts to destroy the paper trail (sort off) but how would them burning all their shit because they don't want to be shot contradict their bureaucratic process?

The Nazi’s were meticulous in their documentation. You can trace many prisoners travels throughout the war. Some travelled through 7 or 8 different camps, despite the fact we were told places like Treblinka and Auschwitz were final destination death camps.

Like I said earlier, there were daily reports given by each camp showing total camp populations, arrivals, departures, deaths and the cause of deaths (including executions). These reports were encoded and the Germans didn’t even know the British had cracked their encryption. So why no mention of mass killings/gassing?


Citation? Also why are they constantly moving people around?

Not sure If you provide a soarce I could look into it?
 
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Not sure If you provide a soarce I could look into it?
Francis H. Hinsley - British Intelligence in the Second World War.

A quote from the book -

“ The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates,[4] mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.[5]”
 
Francis H. Hinsley - British Intelligence in the Second World War.

A quote from the book -

“ The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates,[4] mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.[5]”


Okay real quote so requires some actual research. Looking at historical accounts most people gassed were never registered, but rather were gassed upon arrival-which makes sense on a practical level. The gassings would never have appeared in these decodes at all since they only dealt with the registered inmates.

Follow on question did you actually read the book or did you go to some shitty website which spends all it's time Cherry picking Data? Because their's a fuck load of holohoax hacks which come up when I entered that quote and the book costs around 25-100 online.
 
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Why is it so goddamn hard to believe that Nazis were horrible people who killed Jews? They sent their political opponents to the camps, they sent gays, they sent Roma, of course they sent Jews. Combine that with the German trend to be as autistically efficient as possible and you have the Holocaust.

I've also heard arguments like "well there are no documents that say that Hitler himself ordered it" - so what? The National Socialists had almost complete power in the Greater German Reich, and if they thought they were doing things to please Hitler they would do it. Hitler sure as hell wasn't ignorant that there were concentration camps and that they were responsible for slave labor in the "East". At this point it's like denying that Action T4 was going on.
 
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