Lolcow Melinda Leigh Scott & Marshall Castersen - Sue-happy couple. Flat earth conspiracists. Pretending to be Jewish. Believe Kiwi Farms is protected by the Masonic Order. 0-6 on lawsuits. Marshall is dead.

You are using the name of a pagan elohim and then want to tell me what the definition of "blameless" is? 😂
Pa---lease. Go learn the basics and then you can try to correct others.

Just a reminder, the term god is not a name, and the term Elohim refers to a consortium of deities, rather than a single entity. It, ironically, is derived from a name, that of the deity El, and roughly means "El and ilk." It is a holdover from when the hebrew tribes were pantheistic, before removing El etc. and enshrining YHWH as their singular god.
 
Still refuses to discuss her fuckfuck book. I honestly want to know about it. Is it a Billionaire Bad Boy book? Or, Fucked By A Highlander, those are all the rage lately. Maybe the old and tired cliche-ridden Pirate Whore, that would explain your lame pirate larping earlier in the thread. We'll never know unless Melinda tells us, of course. There's a million racy romance novels out there getting shoveled onto Kindle, no one cares about any of them, and they certainly don't get physical printings placed in stores unless the author has a long and proven track record of sales. That definitely ain't Melinda. I doubt the predatory publisher she's dealing with is even going to bother doing digital sales. How many more payments do you need to make before the publisher prints it, Melinda?

So tell us more about your literary endeavor, Melinda. Tell us about your grand work, designed to be read one-handed by bored and sub-literate housewives. Is the Man character a short, skinny-fat beaner with a slack-jaw and a tiny penis? That won't sell many copies. :tomgirl:
 
Different sources just means one inevitable conclusion: We follow different religions/moral philosophies. There is no way to compare apples and oranges. Im not interested in comparing apples and oranges because it's obvious they aren't the same thing

I said something like this earlier but you rated me with “incorrect”.... can you explain your reasoning??
 
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You don't want a debate you want a chance to shriek the same stupid points you've been shrieking for 150 pages now.

Christians don't consider the Torah to be the beginning and end of religious discussion. It's part of a larger work where all parts are considered equal, and have to be considered in context as part of that larger work. You just take the portion you like (the portion you think justifies you being a garbage brood sow) and ignore the rest.
Well, that's on me for not brushing back up on what a subjectively good father Abraham was. However: Genesis 25:6 specifically says Abraham gave gifts to the sons of his concubines after he died*. I'm treading on risky ground here reading into the verse, but one could infer that those gifts were intended to set up his other sons in later life. Meanwhile, there's nothing in the Torah to suggest that Abraham did not take care of his concubines and their children while he was alive. Marshall is also alive, so how's he doing on that topic?

As far as Ishmael goes, Abraham wouldn't have sent him away except that 1. Sarai insisted and 2. God directed Abraham that while Ishmael would not receive Abraham's inheritance, Ishmael would be taken care of and his line would grow into a nation (Genesis 21:11-13). So, again, Abraham sent Ishmael away, trusting God that God would take over the job of being a father and providing for Ishmael, and that God would make Ishmael greater than Abraham ever could. Viewed in a modern lens this looks like absolute insanity that turned out well in the end, but again: How does Marshall compare?

And if I'd meant polygyny I would've said as such. But by Torah standard, as I literally just said in the paragraphs above, Marshall has an obligation to support his children and the mothers of his children.

How many times has Marshall been married or in a 'covenant relationship' now? How many times have you been married or in a 'covenant relationship'? That's about how many times you both have been adulterers by the rules of your own religion. And, by Torah law and the Messiah's own words, Marshall has also made the mother(s) of his other children adulteresses by breaking up with them. You can't squirm out of being a big slutty slut slut and neither can your covenant partner, so why don't you just admit it?

* edit: I a sentence.



Fuck's sake can you wait like five goddamn minutes some of us like to do actual research and write things properly

You're missing some details that re leading you to wrong conclusions.

You've overlooked verse 5 just above which clearly states:

"Avraham gave everything he owned to Yitz’chak." (Gen. 25:5)
The gifts to the illegitimate children were hardly an inheritance to match Isaac's. So much so that the verse says Abraham literally gave all that he owned to Isaac.

You're also missing the fact that YHWH insisted Ishmael be sent away.

"But Elohim said to Avraham, “Don’t be distressed because of the boy and your slave-girl. Listen to everything Sarah says to you..."

Third fact you are missing is that a messenger of YHWH said that the line of Ishmael was cursed to be a problem for The House of Israel


"He will be a wild donkey of a man, with his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, living his life at odds with all his kinsmen" (Gen. 16:12).

You have a false view that Abraham was "trusting G-d" to be a provider for Ishmael. There was NO covenant between Elohim and Ishmael. Zero. Zilch. Nada. You misunderstand the reason Elohim raises up Goy nations with wealth

"But I will establish my covenant with Yitz’chak..." (Gen 17:21)

So when you don't overlook these important details you get a more accurate picture of the fact that Ishmael was an illegitimate child who would not share in the covenant of Elohim. He exists only to warn the children of Israel not to give their seed to pagan women and not to engage in Polygyny which never works out well

So again I repeat, Marshall has no obligation under Torah to support any child financially from his past.

you said you didn't want to debate the meaning of Adultery in The Torah but now you want to debate it?

by the Messiah's words and The Torah Marshall had every right to leave every woman he ever dumped. He neither is an adulterer nor has he made anyone an adultress.

you want to debate this topic or not?
hollow accusations aren't going to cut it

but I promise you I will roast you. You sure you want to stand up against me on this issue?
 
You're also missing the fact that YHWH insisted Ishmael be sent away.
It says that right in my fucking reply, Linda. Learn to fucking read. Get some glasses if you need to.
by the Messiah's words and The Torah Marshall had every right to leave every woman he ever dumped. He neither is an adulterer nor has he made anyone an adultress.
Proverbs 6:32, Romans 7:2-3, Mark 10:11-12, Matthew 5:31-32, Matthew 19:1-12. For Marshall, Deuteronomy 6:6-9, Proverbs 22:6, Psalm 127:3. It's funny to me in a sad way that you claim Paul is a false prophet, because 1 Timothy 5:8 condemns Marshall and you directly, but oh well.
You have a false view that Abraham was "trusting G-d" to be a provider for Ishmael.
Then read it for yourself and come back to me if you're so damn smart. Also read Genesis 17:20.
 
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You're missing some details that re leading you to wrong conclusions.

You've overlooked verse 5 just above which clearly states:

"Avraham gave everything he owned to Yitz’chak." (Gen. 25:5)
The gifts to the illegitimate children were hardly an inheritance to match Isaac's. So much so that the verse says Abraham literally gave all that he owned to Isaac.

You're also missing the fact that YHWH insisted Ishmael be sent away.

"But Elohim said to Avraham, “Don’t be distressed because of the boy and your slave-girl. Listen to everything Sarah says to you..."

Third fact you are missing is that a messenger of YHWH said that the line of Ishmael was cursed to be a problem for The House of Israel


"He will be a wild donkey of a man, with his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, living his life at odds with all his kinsmen" (Gen. 16:12).

You have a false view that Abraham was "trusting G-d" to be a provider for Ishmael. There was NO covenant between Elohim and Ishmael. Zero. Zilch. Nada. You misunderstand the reason Elohim raises up Goy nations with wealth

"But I will establish my covenant with Yitz’chak..." (Gen 17:21)

So when you don't overlook these important details you get a more accurate picture of the fact that Ishmael was an illegitimate child who would not share in the covenant of Elohim. He exists only to warn the children of Israel not to give their seed to pagan women and not to engage in Polygyny which never works out well

So again I repeat, Marshall has no obligation under Torah to support any child financially from his past.

you said you didn't want to debate the meaning of Adultery in The Torah but now you want to debate it?

by the Messiah's words and The Torah Marshall had every right to leave every woman he ever dumped. He neither is an adulterer nor has he made anyone an adultress.

you want to debate this topic or not?
hollow accusations aren't going to cut it

but I promise you I will roast you. You sure you want to stand up against me on this issue?


How's the book writing going, 'Linda
 
The Torah does not forbid a woman from issuing a divorce decree. The Torah is actually silent about prohibiting a person, male or female, from issuing divorce paperwork.

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 uses only the word "IF". The Rabbis have added words to that clause and said then that only men have permission to issue divorce decrees. That's not what the text actually says

As a Torah master I'm more liberal than Christianity on what The Torah allows as far as divorce. But I'm much more conservative than the Rabbis because I don't believe "burnt toast" is a valid cause for divorce
You really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You don't know shit about the Tanakh. The husband had to write the paper work and the paper work would be delayed just in case the man was angry and didn't hastily get a divorce. Why must you pretend to be J ewish? You fail at it.
 
You really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You don't know shit about the Tanakh. The husband had to write the paper work and the paper work would be delayed just in case the man was angry and didn't hastily get a divorce. Why must you pretend to be J ewish? You fail at it.

That's the Talmud that you're quoting, not The Torah



How's the book writing going, 'Linda


Great! Ty for asking
My page proofs are done and they will be sending me my book cover by the end of the week!
Exciting exciting.
I prayed for months for the money to pay the publisher and YHWH made a way. I'm paid in full so after the book cover then it's off to wholesalers

I'm going to buy some wine and kosher tiramisu to celebrate. (Save the date Marshall!)

Her life is nothing but a constant maternity leave tbh
She's on maternity leave. :story:


So by your logic Native Americans who didn't have W2s and paper currency didn't have "jobs" or "work", huh?
 
Lol, no. I guess they sat around on their asses collecting government benefits. You're not a hunter. You're not a gatherer. You're not a farmer. And you're not a nomad. I guess I'm not going to say that two completely different things are exactly the same. :story:

ETA: So what's the theme of your fuckfuck book, Melinda? Why won't you expound further on your greatest literary achievement, a dirty book that you're having to pay to have published?
 
That's the Talmud that you're quoting, not The Torah






Great! Ty for asking
My page proofs are done and they will be sending me my book cover by the end of the week!
Exciting exciting.
I prayed for months for the money to pay the publisher and YHWH made a way. I'm paid in full so after the book cover then it's off to wholesalers

I'm going to buy some wine and kosher tiramisu to celebrate. (Save the date Marshall!)
Nope, the Tanakh, try again Melinda. I know that book better than you do.

And you're not a nomad.
That's not true, she's always evicted from her homes.
 
You're missing some details that re leading you to wrong conclusions.

You've overlooked verse 5 just above which clearly states:

"Avraham gave everything he owned to Yitz’chak." (Gen. 25:5)
The gifts to the illegitimate children were hardly an inheritance to match Isaac's. So much so that the verse says Abraham literally gave all that he owned to Isaac.

You're also missing the fact that YHWH insisted Ishmael be sent away.

"But Elohim said to Avraham, “Don’t be distressed because of the boy and your slave-girl. Listen to everything Sarah says to you..."

Third fact you are missing is that a messenger of YHWH said that the line of Ishmael was cursed to be a problem for The House of Israel


"He will be a wild donkey of a man, with his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, living his life at odds with all his kinsmen" (Gen. 16:12).

You have a false view that Abraham was "trusting G-d" to be a provider for Ishmael. There was NO covenant between Elohim and Ishmael. Zero. Zilch. Nada. You misunderstand the reason Elohim raises up Goy nations with wealth

"But I will establish my covenant with Yitz’chak..." (Gen 17:21)

So when you don't overlook these important details you get a more accurate picture of the fact that Ishmael was an illegitimate child who would not share in the covenant of Elohim. He exists only to warn the children of Israel not to give their seed to pagan women and not to engage in Polygyny which never works out well

So again I repeat, Marshall has no obligation under Torah to support any child financially from his past.

you said you didn't want to debate the meaning of Adultery in The Torah but now you want to debate it?

by the Messiah's words and The Torah Marshall had every right to leave every woman he ever dumped. He neither is an adulterer nor has he made anyone an adultress.

you want to debate this topic or not?
hollow accusations aren't going to cut it

but I promise you I will roast you. You sure you want to stand up against me on this issue?
You couldn't roast a potato with your wit or intelligence, and you quoted my post without bothering to respond to it. Not that I care because everything you say is retarded, and I legitimately wish you and @Marshall Castersen would die in the most slow and painful way possible.
 
It says that right in my fucking reply, Linda. Learn to fucking read. Get some glasses if you need to.

Proverbs 6:32, Romans 7:2-3, Mark 10:11-12, Matthew 5:31-32, Matthew 19:1-12. For Marshall, Deuteronomy 6:6-9, Proverbs 22:6, Psalm 127:3. It's funny to me in a sad way that you claim Paul is a false prophet, because 1 Timothy 5:8 condemns Marshall and you directly, but oh well.

Then read it for yourself and come back to me if you're so damn smart. Also read Genesis 17:20.

You did not say that Elohim insisted. You said Sarah insisted and that Elohim was the provider.

Here's your answer to Genesis 17:20

"Why do the wicked prosper?
Why do the treacherous all thrive?
You planted them, and they took root;
they grow, and they bear fruit
.
You are near in their mouths,
though far from their hearts."


As in the case of Ishmael, even though Elohim prospered him, that doesn't mean it was to form a covenant with him. Elohim prospers those outside of covenant to be a tool against The House of Israel. Genesis 17 clearly says the covenant is with the line of Sarah and Isaac. Genesis 16 clearly says that Ishmael was cursed with strife against the descendants of Israel. The fighting goes on even today.

Now I'll respond to your quotes about marriage and re-marriage:
Get your tin foil suits on because you're about to get roasted!

Deuteronomy 6:6-9 is about putting The Torah on your heart and teaching it to your children. Was that a typo?

I see you conveniently skipped everything else in The Torah that influences the subject of divorce.
Without understanding The Torah you are going to misunderstand The Messiah's words. Completely.

You quote Mark 10:11-12, Matthew 5:31-32, Matthew 19:1-12 for your support. You can't take Messiah's words out of context of The Torah. He came to uphold The Torah (Matthew 5:17-20). Heaven and earth are still here, and therefore, The Torah still stands, according to The Messiah.

It's necessary to post each of these verses you quoted to dissect them. I've underlined essential information:
I'll also use bold text to emphasize important information.

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Matthew 5:31-32:
"It was said, Whoever divorces his wife must give her a get." But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of [Greek: pornea], makes her an adulteress; and that anyone who marries a divorcee commits adultery."

Matthew 19:1-12:
"Some P’rushim came and tried to trap him by asking, “Is it permitted for a man to divorce his wife on any ground whatever?” 4 He replied, “Haven’t you read that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female, and that he said, ‘For this reason a man should leave his father and mother and be united with his wife, and the two are to become one flesh’? Thus they are no longer two, but one. So then, no one should split apart what Elohim has joined together.”They said to him, “Then why did Moshe give the commandment that a man should hand his wife a get and divorce her?” He answered, “Moshe allowed you to divorce your wives because your hearts are so hardened. But this is not how it was at the beginning. Now what I say to you is that whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of [Greek: pornea], and marries another woman commits adultery!”"

Mark 10:11-12
"He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against his wife; and if a wife divorces her husband and marries another man, she too commits adultery.”

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So firstly, let me point out what is obvious: THIS WAS A DEBATE ABOUT THE TORAH between The Messiah and The Pharisees. They were not debating secular documents, the Talmud nor the Christian Bible. They were debating The Torah.
Mark 10 11-12 is predicated by the following verse (Verse 2): "Some P’rushim came up and tried to trap him by asking him, “Does the Torah permit a man to divorce his wife?" So again, it's clearly obvious that this debate between The Messiah and the people he argued with was about THE TORAH.

So in order to understand what The Messiah is saying, you have to go back to The Torah.

The first most important essential underlined information above is about Moses. The Messiah said "Moses allowed you to divorce your wives...". Why is that an important detail? Because Moses sat as a Judge over The House of Israel (Exodus 18:13). He had the power to issue decrees and order the people. This goes back to Deuteronomy 11:1 were they were ordered to listen to Elohim's commissions (people he put in charge) and also to listen to the judges over them (Deut. 1:16). Moses' ruling was that divorce was allowed.

Why would Moses say that? Because any sin done in willful defiance of The Torah resulted in permanent excommunication (Numbers 15:30-31), therefore freeing the remaining spouse to be re-married within the community.

Then comes in The Messiah and says "Now I tell you..." (Matthew 19:9). That's when Messiah expressed that he was now Judge in the House of Israel.

His ruling that the only just cause divorce was/is PORNEA (that's the Greek word) (Matthew 5:31;19:9). The word PORNEA cannot mean "adultery" because the penalty in The Torah for adultery is death not divorce. PORNEA cannot mean "Sexual immorality" because there is no such concept in The Torah. The word "sexual immorality" is not a word in The Torah. The Torah condemns only five kinds of sexual acts with permanent excommunication: prostitution, incest, homosexuality, polygyny and having sex with a pagan (someone not of the House of Israel). Since there are 5 types of sexual acts that lead to permanent excommunication, none of them can qualify as PORNEA because the use of PORNEA in the sentence of The Messiah is a singular noun. Also, The Torah lists more than 25 sins which lead to excommunication, so it is illogical that those 5 would be isolated to allow divorce and not the others.

So then, WHAT is "pornea"?

The answer is in the Book of Ezra and Nehemiah. Read Chapters 9 and 10 of Ezra and Chapter 10 of Nehemiah. What did the children of Israel do in order to REPENT? They sent off their pagan husbands and pagan wives.

"We should make a covenant with our Elohim to send away all these wives, along with their children, in obedience to the advice of Adonai and of those who tremble at the mitzvah of our Elohim; let us act in accordance with the Torah" (Ezra 10:3)


This is why The Messiah said:

"“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father, his mother, his wife, his children, his brothers and his sisters, yes, and his own life besides, he cannot be my talmid." (Luke 14:26) (On a side note, the word there "wife" can also be translated "spouse" but I dont want to get into that right now)

HATE your own wife? Yes, that's what it says!

Pagans aren't considered people with rights in The Torah. You don't get the protection of not being divorced in The Torah without actually belonging to The House of Israel. In The Torah a "man" or "woman" was someone in The House of Israel. A pagan was not a "man" or "woman". Therefore, all of the statements of The Messiah about not leaving your husband or wife were between Israelites, not when an Israelite was yoked with a pagan. The same reason Abraham sent Hagar packing.

The Messiah upholds this by ALSO saying "What ELOHIM HAS JOINED TOGETHER....". not to separate (Matthew 19). Elohim doesn't join pagans and Israelites. An Israelite is COMMANDED to rid of their idolatrous spouse, by divorce, or even death in some cases (Deut. 13).

And that is why Paul is a false apostle who tells people to remain living with their pagans spouses.

I don't care what 1 Timothy says. It's a fabrication of false prophet's and their comrades. The other verses you posted from Psalms and Proverbs don't do anything to build a theology about divorce in The Torah. I'll not respond to those.

The point? You've failed miserably to demonstrate that Marshall or myself are adulterers. The Torah is about freedom from sin. Nobody is yoked to anybody's sin in The Torah, not even that of evil spouses.

Nope, the Tanakh, try again Melinda. I know that book better than you do.


That's not true, she's always evicted from her homes.

I'm a gypsy in my heart and I make no apology for that.

You think you know The Prophets and The Law better than me? Go ahead, take a stab at it.

@TamarYaelBatYah Can you explain what your problem is with Paul the Apostle?

In short, he encourages people to sin by preaching the false doctrine of unconditional forgiveness, which is not actually the way Elohim operates

I wrote a paper about this

Hey Melinda, quick question. Why did you try to have your father's burial plot dug up and sold years after he died?

Hm, I'll consider bringing my dad's story and all. I've been made aware that my dad's suicide has already been brought up by none other than The Stalker elsewhere here. That is a very personal part of my life and I'm not sure if it's necessary to make anymore of it public. I think it's very rude that The Stalker would even divulge this part of my life to the entire world.
 
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