The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

One thing, though. What if Ellie isn't dead and this is an attempt to set up a revenge plot in a third game where you play as Ellie? Because everyone is assuming she's dead.

I mean, that wouldn't be much better, but if that's the case, at least you could sort of see what they were going for when they failed. Otherwise, if Ellie is dead and this troon is the new protagonist, I don't even understand what they were trying to accomplish.

I've seen other leaks saying that she isn't dead and that it ends with her abandoning a pregnant Dina to track down Abbey for revenge. So maybe she isn't dead and they're setting up a third game where Ellie's the villain the whole way through. Still a dumb decision no matter how you slice it.

What, in a thread where everyone is hallucinating MGS2 was clearly a work of genius and that Raiden is actually a cool/likable character?

I mean...MGS2 was always my favorite one so...

 

[madeinabyss31]

Does she actually die? Video I saw had her still alive after her beating.
Ash can't get through a discussion without using the word "diversity", so yeah, he probably will love it.

She gets beat so bad she is bleeding from her eyes. Now, it's a video game so anything can happen and it's not as though this one is even close to realistic (though it likes to pretend it's grounded), but bleeding from the eyes has to be hemorrhaging.

 

[Alcatraz]

Does she actually die

From what I saw, it looks like Abby breaks both of Ellie's arms and explodes an eye after punching her in the face several times. Dina tries to stop her, but she just gets her noggin slammed repeatedly into the floor, then Ellie starts begging her to stop.

So not only does a lesbian couple with a baby on the way get brutalized, they're done in by a musclebound psychopath with a hardon for revenge. I didn't need Druckmann to tell me "revenge bad" when a metric assload of media kept telling us as kids that violence is never the answer.

 

[VileZero]

She gets beat so bad she is bleeding from her eyes. Now, it's a video game so anything can happen and it's not as though this one is even close to realistic (though it likes to pretend it's grounded), but bleeding from the eyes has to be hemorrhaging.

Ah, quality wasn't great so I couldn't tell. She was still talking and begging not to kill that other girl though, so I figured she was mostly fine.

 

[Junk Dog]

From what I saw, it looks like Abby breaks both of Ellie's arms and explodes an eye after punching her in the face several times. Dina tries to stop her, but she just gets her noggin slammed repeatedly into the floor, then Ellie starts begging her to stop.

So not only does a lesbian couple with a baby on the way get brutalized, they're done in by a musclebound psychopath with a hardon for revenge. I didn't need Druckmann to tell me "revenge bad" when a metric assload of media kept telling us as kids that violence is never the answer.

Better look at the butch ma'am beating the shit out of Ellie and her gf for those interested in watching and/or want to send it to the shills.

 

[Apterigo]

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This is pretty rich coming from a guy whose career is people coming to him bitching about working conditions and drama. I guess he'd rather be controlled opposition instead of create real change.

When you stand for the working man by making him remain a cog in the corporate machine.

That's fucking rich, Jason. So would you rather it be like Anthem where you only research and publish insider info about the studio after it became an absolute trashfire? God forbid we address the suffering of a stale and hostile work environment before the project is finished. I'm sure The Last of Us 2 would have been a shining star on each employee's resume if only this wasn't leaked ahead of time.

So at least we know where Jason stands on leaks. Oh wait, I seem to remember a series of leaks that were reported by somebody, who was it...

 

[Shitassdeaddude]

Ah alright, so she actually does survive. Well there's your third game I guess ahuehuehue.

 

[Nobunaga]

That's fucking rich, Jason. So would you rather it be like Anthem where you only research and publish insider info about the studio after it became an absolute trashfire? God forbid we address the suffering of a stale and hostile work environment before the project is finished. I'm sure The Last of Us 2 would have been a shining star on each employee's resume if only this wasn't leaked ahead of time.

So at least we know where Jason stands on leaks. Oh wait, I seem to remember a series of leaks that were reported by somebody, who was it...

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Heres the thing, its commom knowledge that ubisoft leaks their games on purpouse to generate free hype
Thanks why they never improved their "security" even though every game they ever produce gets "leaked"

 

[Übertroon]

Footage of Druckmann looking over concept art for Abby

 

[Dave.]

Neil Druckmann seems a little upset

Spoiler

Nah I'm just kidding, the screen grab is fake :^) You looked it up didn't you?

 

[VileZero]

Heres the thing, its commom knowledge that ubisoft leaks their games on purpouse to generate free hype
Thanks why they never improved their "security" even though every game they ever produce gets "leaked"

Pretty sure Bethesda blacklisted them over that Fallout 4 leak though. Wish more companies would do that to journalists leaking stuff.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Better look at the butch ma'am beating the shit out of Ellie and her gf for those interested in watching and/or want to send it to the shills.

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Watching this footage really highlights how fucked this whole story is.

To reiterate, you spent the entirety of the first game, the DLC, and presumably the first half of this game getting invested in Ellie's story, seeing her grow as a character and becoming emotionally invested. Then this ending occurs where you play as some butch...thing and beat the shit out of her. And the beating itself is extremely brutal (I'd really like to see this with sound because the visuals alone are brutal already and the addition of sound would make it worse). And for what? Ellie deciding to go after her after she killed Joel, her father figure? That's not enough to justify the player wanting to see this rando chick, who would be the villain in any other story, beat the fuck out of her.

I'm still struggling to figure out the logic here. This is just plain dumb. It'd be like if The Empire Strikes Back followed the son of some Imperial Stormtrooper who died in the Death Star explosion who tracks down Luke and fucking brutalizes him except we're supposed to be on the son's side. All that time you spent with Luke, rooting for him to get off the farm and become a Jedi to avenge his aunt and uncle's deaths and follow in Obi-Wan and his father's footsteps, would have been pointless in the end.

 

[frozenrunner]

I've seen other leaks saying that she isn't dead and that it ends with her abandoning a pregnant Dina to track down Abbey for revenge. So maybe she isn't dead and they're setting up a third game where Ellie's the villain the whole way through. Still a dumb decision no matter how you slice it.

I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are going to try and "thread the needle," following both Ellie and Abby and making them the villains in each other's stories. (They've already failed completely at that, but I assume that's the intention.)

You know, sort of like what The Walking Dead tried and failed to do with Negan, after he brutally beat beloved characters to death in front of us but... golly gee, can't you see things from his perspective, be the bigger person, and forgive? (Whoever said it earlier in the thread, I also get strong TWD/Negan vibes from this leaked plotline, and I bet that was an inspiration.)

I mean...MGS2 was always my favorite one so...

MGS2 is a great game. But if you think the story is great... well, let's just say I might have basically respected what Kojima did (and did clumsily) in a different series, and in a different series where he didn't go on to make 4+ sequels afterwards.

Raiden, however, is a terrible, obnoxious, unlikable character. And no, "that's the point" doesn't make him any less obnoxious or terrible of a character. And no, ruining the memory of Grey Fox later to make Raiden look cooler doesn't change that, either. Even Kojima knew that and rightfully poked fun at Raiden in MGS3.

There's some serious revisionist history going on with MGS2. Everyone loved the game itself, but the story was widely panned for good reason when it came out. Rian Johnson-ing things with "well, I certainly subverted your expectations with my social commentary, didn't I?" is a total cop-out. All the meme-able gene/meme stuff aside, it's a total narrative mess and in no way a staggering work of storytelling genius.

I say this as a huge fan of both MGS and Kojima (for the talents he does have... solid writing isn't one of them). I respect parts of what Kojima was trying to do with the game's story, but only conceptually. In practice, it's a fascinating disaster.

 

[YourMommasBackstory]

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This is pretty rich coming from a guy whose career is people coming to him bitching about working conditions and drama. I guess he'd rather be controlled opposition instead of create real change.

When you stand for the working man by making him remain a cog in the corporate machine.

Ah yes, because overworked people who got through stress and crunch AND didn’t get the money totally can think rationally.

 

[Übertroon]

Watching this footage really highlights how fucked this whole story is.

To reiterate, you spent the entirety of the first game, the DLC, and presumably the first half of this game getting invested in Ellie's story, seeing her grow as a character and becoming emotionally invested. Then this ending occurs where you play as some butch...thing and beat the shit out of her. And the beating itself is extremely brutal (I'd really like to see this with sound because the visuals alone are brutal already and the addition of sound would make it worse). And for what? Ellie deciding to go after her after she killed Joel, her father figure? That's not enough to justify the player wanting to see this rando chick, who would be the villain in any other story, beat the fuck out of her.

I'm still struggling to figure out the logic here. This is just plain dumb. It'd be like if The Empire Strikes Back followed the son of some Imperial Stormtrooper who died in the Death Star explosion who tracks down Luke and fucking brutalizes him except we're supposed to be on the son's side. All that time you spent with Luke, rooting for him to get off the farm and become a Jedi to avenge his aunt and uncle's deaths and follow in Obi-Wan and his father's footsteps, would have been pointless in the end.

It's perfect though if you really really really hate lesbians

 

[UtadaWasabi]

It's perfect though if you really really really hate lesbians

But I hate lesbian and I don’t think I am going to like this game. I tend to avoid the game with them in the first place.

 

[Poop A Loop]

All of these leaks wouldn't matter if the game had an objectively good story. It's not like this is the first game to be leaked before release and people who are defending the degeneracy are acting like it's the end of the world. Because the story is shit, the characters are shit, the gameplay is shit, and the writing is shit, the only thing left was the unknown about how the story would end. Because people now know the entirety of the game is pure unfiltered shit it now has no redeeming qualities and deserves to be taken out back and shot.

Or smashed in the head with a golf club, whatever works I guess.

 

[The handsome tard]

Me: Oh boy, Im really curious to what the leaks are...! Im really excited for the game and I really loved the original

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A lot of leak reading later

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[Duncan Hills Coffee]

I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are going to try and "thread the needle," following both Ellie and Abby and making them the villains in each other's stories. (They've already failed completely at that, but I assume that's the intention.)

That in and of itself isn't a bad idea; there's a lot of story potential in a morally gray scenario where two people become monsters in their pursuit of revenge. The problem is that the audience isn't going to like having to beat the shit out of the series protagonist, especially when the character has already killed the other protagonist early on. If anything it just looks as though the game is completely shitting on Ellie.

If I were to rewrite this, I would have done the entire game from Ellie's perspective and have her do the most heinous shit to try and get back at Abby. The audience might empathize with her decisions at first, but as the game goes on they learn more and more about Abby and start to realize maybe this isn't such a good idea while Ellie continues to slaughter Abby's friends out of revenge. Then when the third game comes they'd feel torn about who's really in the right.

As it is, the game just expects you to empathize with Abby as she beats a pregnant woman and almost kills the other main character. And I don't know about you, but that's not really someone I can empathize with on any conceivable level.

 

[Junk Dog]

https://www.sausageroll.com.au/entertainment/games/the-last-of-us-2-gameplay-leak-came-from-dev-that-hates-its-divisiveness/

Could be bullshit, but if true then