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So ... not to be a dumbass about this, but isn't that still just believing you're something you're not?

Weeell this goes back to the distinction between sex and gender. Not everyone makes this distinction, but certain anal-retentives (aka terves) will say that sex = physical differences between men and women, while gender = socially-enforced differences (eg clothing, hobbies, hair length, etc). Literally nothing prevents men from growing their hair out or wearing skirts except social convention.

This also shows that gender dysphoria is a too-broad term which encompasses 2 very different things - discomfort with your actual, physical body, and discomfort with how society expects you to act based on your body. A dude wanting to chop his dick off is different from a dude who loves his dick but wants to wear pretty princess outfits.
 
Absolutely. Suffering from mild gender dysphoria doesn't make you a tranny. Or a troon, for that matter. Most people suffer at least a bit of it at some point in their lives, usually during puberty, or when they fail to live up to societal expectations.
Pretty sure most women in history felt it when they weren't allowed to wear pants or take on social roles other than baby machine. That's why feminists have worked so hard to abolish gender roles. Ironic that the modern trans movement is trying to cure dysphoria by enforcing gender roles instead.

Second, I'm not sure this person actually had therapeutic attention anywhere near them in the past 30 years. If they had, they completely gave up on it arooooound the same time they stopped taking hormones (so, post-2010). I was talking about people who went through the right channels way back, not a mentally-unbalanced freak who clearly has a breast fetish.
You might be right. The old horrorshows probably didn't go through the right channels and avoided therapy.

So ... not to be a dumbass about this, but isn't that still just believing you're something you're not? After all, you wouldn't feel discomfort or disgust with yourself if you were already in a body of the other gender, which suggests you believe you really are, deep down, the other gender and your body just missed the memo.
Not really. Think about it this way: Do most people who want to lose weight believe they have a thin soul because they would be happier if they were thin?
 
Weeell this goes back to the distinction between sex and gender. Not everyone makes this distinction, but certain anal-retentives (aka terves) will say that sex = physical differences between men and women, while gender = socially-enforced differences (eg clothing, hobbies, hair length, etc). Literally nothing prevents men from growing their hair out or wearing skirts except social convention.

This also shows that gender dysphoria is a too-broad term which encompasses 2 very different things - discomfort with your actual, physical body, and discomfort with how society expects you to act based on your body. A dude wanting to chop his dick off is different from a dude who loves his dick but wants to wear pretty princess outfits.
Those are great points, too. The distinction between sex and gender doesn't get explored enough -- even more so since some idiots seem to think they're one and the same. And will shout you down otherwise. No kidding, I've seen articles stating that "biological sex is a social construct", and that you are "assigned your sex at birth by the doctor". Not gender. Actual biological sex. A social construct. Assigned by the doctor. Try to parse that if you can.

I was definitely referring more to discomfort with one's actual, physical body. In the past those would be called just transsexuals instead.

For people who are unhappy with social norms and whatnot... well, there's no better time to get that worked out of your system. Men can stay at home and raise kids while women get to work, and I hear this Eddie Izzard guy made a nice career being a crossdresser-- sorry, I think the term he likes to use is "action transvestite". And they can even shop online for women's underwear now, without having to steal their SO's, or try to convince the girl at the lingerie shop that those XXXX-tra large stockings that would fit them perfectly are actually for their girlfriend.

Of course, if the issue is purely social there's really no need to insist you're a biological female like some do. The problem is that shit gets conflated and so an autist who doesn't know their place in the world ends up convinced of and becoming obsessed about being female both in social and sexual stances. That's where the true troonery lies. That is the field where the lolcows are set to pasture.
 
Those are great points, too. The distinction between sex and gender doesn't get explored enough -- even more so since some idiots seem to think they're one and the same. And will shout you down otherwise. No kidding, I've seen articles stating that "biological sex is a social construct", and that you are "assigned your sex at birth by the doctor". Not gender. Actual biological sex. A social construct. Assigned by the doctor. Try to parse that if you can.

I was definitely referring to discomfort with one's actual, physical body. In the past those would be called just transsexuals instead.

For people who are unhappy with social norms and whatnot... well, there's no better time to get that worked out of your system. Men can stay at home and raise kids while women get to work, and I hear this Eddie Izzard guy made a nice career being a crossdresser-- sorry, I think the term he likes to use is "action transvestite". And they can even shop online for women's underwear now, without having to steal their SO's, or try to convince the girl at the lingerie shop that those XXXX-tra large stockings that would fit them perfectly are actually for their girlfriend.

Of course, if the issue is purely social there's really no need to insist you're a female. The problem is that shit gets conflated and so an autist who doesn't know their place in the world ends up convinced of and becoming obsessed about being female both in social and sexual stances. That's where the true troonery lies. That is the field where the lolcows are set to pasture.
Eddie Izzard is trans now, just FYI.

 
TIL but I'm not surprised, to be honest. Well, good luck to 'em. Hopefully they don't lose the sense of humor or instantly make everything about their gender like so many transgender do. I don't have high hopes. The joke stands, though: Izzard was a transvestite for a very long time and nowadays it wouldn't be too hard to get by doing that. Yeah, you'd get weird looks but is it really much weirder than, say... crocs with socks?
 
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Can we stop shitting up the thread with arguments about dysphoria? There is a dedicated thread for such discussions.
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Those lips look painful

Jfc, this one wanted permanent duck face apparently. Though, it barely even looks like a duck face anymore. It's more like someone squished David Bowie's face with a rolling pin and stretched it all out. Pretty nightmarish.
 
It's psychiatrically a bit different from all of that. I personally have no problem with "transracial" people since race is usually a synonym for an ethnos, which is a cultural thing anyway. Unless you're ghetto black sissy or whatever or the moslem wannabe who wants to be force-fed alcohol and pork by zir domme.
To be as obnoxious as troons, transracials would have to demand that everyone agree they’ve always been black and thus despite growing up white should be able to take black people’s scholarships away, be counted as a POC on panels so that the entire panel ends up AWAB, etc etc. That would be quite hilarious, I hope it happens.

Re: duck lips up there. So, the before profile...he’s more feminine looking than most. No crazy brow ridge, no Chaddy or Hapsburg chin, nose if not retrousse like the after is still not a big manly schnoz. And his lips, his upper lip in particular, has the turned up vermillion edge and definition that is feminine. Leave it to a troon to eradicate his feminine traits so he’s indistinguishable from other TIMs who started out with less to work with.
 
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these are hysterical. i've met hsts before, theyre usually pretty chill, and the worst thing about them is that they have harmlessly sexist ideas of what it is to be a woman. (like "hehe im afraid of spiders!") but nothing too insufferable.

they also make fun of the insane narc troons as well. a homosexual mtf i worked with at one point actually made a joke about the "IT'S MAAM!!" gamestop video.

too bad organic strap guy is 99% of the transpeople you see.
 
For some reason the "not like other guys" type have been annoying me a lot recently. If you're going to sell your dignity to get your ass kissed by the tranny hivemind, at least commit to it.

You're already making yourself look stupid so you might as well go all in and call yourself a transbian or whatever, you don't even have to actually change anything else about yourself. Why stop halfway. Any normal person is gonna laugh at you for aligning with tranny ideology and the actual trannies are going to bitch at you to check your non-transbian privilege.

I don't understand.
 
Holy shit, I don't think I've ever seen a meme chart this accurate.

Powerleveling a bit, I used to work for a large engineering firm and every single transgirl in the IT department was a ms robot. Organic strap seems to be more something you find online, but "hon"... Christ on a cracker, those people look scary when they're actually in front of you, particularly when they're a 6'4" foreman/forewoman/foreskin. They really shoud have just bought a Ford F-150 and left it at that.
 
I feel like the HSTS needs some “why won’t my wokebro straight commie friends fuck me” bullets, and perhaps a sub-bullet for the black HSTS version, “it is black women’s fault straight black men won’t fuck me.”

But all around accurate.

On the girls side, lol the MRA is the *worst*.
 
I feel like the HSTS needs some “why won’t my wokebro straight commie friends fuck me” bullets, and perhaps a sub-bullet for the black HSTS version, “it is black women’s fault straight black men won’t fuck me.”

But all around accurate.

On the girls side, lol the MRA is the *worst*.
transman mras and women in general who scream about how they hate feminism and how they think women other than them are vapid sluts are the female versions of simps, lbr.

for every guy you see that says "haha yeah white men are trash im so sorry im a man" you have a girl who says "ugh feminism makes me hate being a woman, why are so many girls from my school bitches?!"
 
Holy fuck what's with all the tranny defending here? Stop defending the undefendable, insanity is insanity.
I get the idea, unfortunately that's never going to fly.

Refusing medical treatment to everybody, including those that require it, just to weed out the fakes is completely unethical. It's not happening.

What is going to happen, however, is that eventually there will be academic and medical pushback against transtrenders and enforcement of more stringent standards. And the trend, like most other trends, will pass. You already see how it happens today: a lot of people who end up identifying themselves as transgender and eventually just fade from the internet do so because they abandoned their transgender online identity and went back to present themselves as cisgender under new accounts. Hell, a lot of them are going to be here, in this very thread!

Being trans now is like being a hippy in the 60s. Give it 30 years or so and you'll see a lot of 50-year olds telling stories of how they were transgender "back in the 20s". Same deal, including the societal fuckups and the long-term health issues. Ever seen a boomer having an acid flashback? I have. It sometimes happens when they're trying to lose weight and it's funny as hell. Only in the case of troons for some of them their dicks just don't work.

Or won't be there at all.

Being trans is nothing like being a hippy, hippies were actually iconic, trannies are embarrassing and disgusting
 
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