Careercow Robert Chipman / Bob / Moviebob / "Movieblob" - Middle-Aged Consoomer, CWC with a Thesaurus, Ardent Male Feminist and Superior Futurist, the Twice-Fired, the Mario-Worshipper, publicly dismantled by Hot Dog Girl, now a diabetic

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

While Bob goes too far in advocating lethal force, entering the State capitol in Michigan to protest while in some cases having guns is a clear provocation.Even if technically legal when you go to a protest carrying guns you shouldn't be surprised if some trigger happy cop shoots you if an argument breaks out(you have to assume those guns are loaded even if they're not).And Michigan is among the hardest hit states in the Union with deaths and confirmed infections closer to Italy in proportion than the US average.Maybe it would be more understandable in states which are barely impacted but Michigan is right near the top with only the Northeast and Louisiana hit harder.At the very least they could have come wearing face masks if not trying to maintain some distance.They are still responsible for the safety of their families or should be especially 'dad' who is possibly a veteran.And a final detail dems can also mobilise their supporters lets be honest i don't see any visible minorities at these protests.Imagine a counter-protest of armed black men from Detroit it would end badly the moment someone says some racial slur and someone would certainly say it either towards whites or blacks.The kind of countries that have these scenes are usually failed ones like Yugoslavia circa early 1991.By the time it was over there was no freedom anyway since everyone was too poor to matter while a few had become so rich they owned the system entirely.

I concur with you that storming the capitol, armed, and not wearing any masks isn't doing the protesters any favors. However, this is (at least in my eyes) evidence that the situation in Michigan is boiling over.
As @Ralph Barnhardt said, there's seemingly a disparity between what is and isn't essential. Lottery tickets are seen as essential and can be purchased, while gardening supplies (which would help maintain social distancing) aren't. However, there is no disparity once you realize that "essential" businesses either support left-wing policies or funnel money to the state (for example, you can still get an abortion in Michigan, but can't get dental work done.) Now, this isn't unique to Michigan (Florida has declared the WWE an essential business for the same reason); however, Florida also isn't banning people from buying garden supplies that I know of. The naked power grab by the Governor has the legislature worried as well, but she literally doesn't care what they think.
I'm not sure if you're American or not. But in America, most people are willing to put up with a little discomfort for safety's sake (such as wearing a mask in public). Someone in the government becoming a tyrant for our own good is a bridge too far for most Americans (not for Bob, obviously).

China dick sucking
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So, China blatantly lies and Bob uncritically believes them. So much for the "intellectual" who's going to lead us to the Superior Future.

 

[Mola Ram]

Minor issue here while protesters might not directly care about their own safety others care especially since this is a disease were you can be infected for up to 2 weeks without knowing so you're increasing the risk to everyone.Its also a slap in the face to all those who do follow the rules.Ultimately your community includes a lot more than just your drinking buddies and if you defy your community because you only care about your drinking buddies then you shouldn't be surprised when the community isolates you anyway.The countries that are doing the best in this crisis are countries in which people have a sense of danger:Finland,Norway,Germany,Taiwan,South Korea,Israel.The thing is all of these countries have a very paranoid view of the world and they tend to err on the side of caution.The US by having all of these highly visible conflicts during a national emergency is unintentionally discrediting the federal system as a whole.'what's the point of 50 states if during an emergency you can barely coordinate?'

You're completely eliding over the situation in Michigan, where the governor is making such absurdly arbitrary and overreaching decisions -- at one point she threatened to punish the protestors (not the ones with the guns; the ones who went to Lansing in a column of cars) by extending the lockdown an extra 8 weeks or something. What good does that do? That perfectly demonstrates her motive isn't stemming disease, it's pure control. Whitmer has gotten so bad the state legislature is about to strip her office of emergency powers it's had since 1945.

EDIT: Sorta ninja'd by @Sexy Senior Citizen, whose post you should read because it's excellent.

 

[A Big Bumbling Black Man]

Bob: Our Great Generational War is between Thinkers and Believers.
Also Bob: China claims they suddenly went from having thousands of new infections a day to having 0 new infections a day, over night, and I believe them! hurrrrrrrrrr

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

While Bob goes too far in advocating lethal force, entering the State capitol in Michigan to protest while in some cases having guns is a clear provocation.Even if technically legal when you go to a protest carrying guns you shouldn't be surprised if some trigger happy cop shoots you if an argument breaks out(you have to assume those guns are loaded even if they're not).And Michigan is among the hardest hit states in the Union with deaths and confirmed infections closer to Italy in proportion than the US average.Maybe it would be more understandable in states which are barely impacted but Michigan is right near the top with only the Northeast and Louisiana hit harder.At the very least they could have come wearing face masks if not trying to maintain some distance.They are still responsible for the safety of their families or should be especially 'dad' who is possibly a veteran.And a final detail dems can also mobilise their supporters lets be honest i don't see any visible minorities at these protests.Imagine a counter-protest of armed black men from Detroit it would end badly the moment someone says some racial slur and someone would certainly say it either towards whites or blacks.The kind of countries that have these scenes are usually failed ones like Yugoslavia circa early 1991.By the time it was over there was no freedom anyway since everyone was too poor to matter while a few had become so rich they owned the system entirely.

After giving it some more thought, you have a point. It's usually technically illegal to carry guns in government buildings anyway, but this would be the wrong time to try to enforce it. Anyone who tries to gun grab right now can rot in hell. That said, I sympathize with the goals of the protestors, but their methods are definitely risky to themselves and others. As "real" protests often are.

Bob is still being an assbarrel about it though.

 

[Flexo]

Minor issue here while protesters might not directly care about their own safety others care especially since this is a disease were you can be infected for up to 2 weeks without knowing so you're increasing the risk to everyone.Its also a slap in the face to all those who do follow the rules.Ultimately your community includes a lot more than just your drinking buddies and if you defy your community because you only care about your drinking buddies then you shouldn't be surprised when the community isolates you anyway.The countries that are doing the best in this crisis are countries in which people have a sense of danger:Finland,Norway,Germany,Taiwan,South Korea,Israel.The thing is all of these countries have a very paranoid view of the world and they tend to err on the side of caution.The US by having all of these highly visible conflicts during a national emergency is unintentionally discrediting the federal system as a whole.'what's the point of 50 states if during an emergency you can barely coordinate?'Some might not get it yet but these conflicts are unintentionally giving rise to the obvious question of how strong is the Union.After 9/11 there was very little conflict for months afterwards.

No, the national emergency is vindicating the federalism system and if anything, proving we need it more. As someone else said: "Why should Wyoming lock down because things are bad in New York?" The government trying to force a single solution upon a wide spread, diverse nation of 330+ mil people is idiotic.

 

[iafiv]

Well because during a national emergency everyone needs to be in the same boat.By this logic during WW2 Montana residents could have said 'our sons shouldn't be drafted because our population is so small its not gonna make much of a dent to the overall effort' which honestly would be a true statement.Or is the phrase 'all in this together' applied only for human enemies?Threats to one are a threat to all.Not to mention the fact that whatever contribution Wyoming is bringing to the Union is a lot smaller than financial powerhouse NYC.If NYC falls Wyoming won't survive but the vice versa would not apply.Cuomo might be an opportunist and a jerk but he wasn't lying when talking about who is more important to the Union.Although i will admit this the nature of the crisis is exactly what increases disunity.By design its meant to keep people apart and make them suspicious of each other.No wonder so many absurd conspiracy theories about its origin are doing the rounds.The only conspiracy theory that might be believable is the one about how chinese scientists accidentally leaked a sample from a lab because they weren't careful.All other theories are stupid.

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

Remember when Bob made the """joke""" about he'd knock boots with Kim Jo Yong as she was the perfect mommy president and all you obsolete simpletons fell for it? Man! Was there ever egg on your fa-

Jung H. Pak, PhD on Twitter

“We often forget that Kim Yo Jong has as much bureaucratic experience as her brother. And she’s got the “pure” bloodline to boot. https://t.co/u3s1lWA1Xj”

twitter.com

https://archive.vn/LmIAc

Main I mean business account too. I'd say we're starting to drift into Poe's Law territory but Bob's not smart enough to be a poe. LMAO at "pure" bloodline bit. We must keep our chinky fetishes untainted.

Minor issue here while protesters might not directly care about their own safety others care especially since this is a disease were you can be infected for up to 2 weeks without knowing so you're increasing the risk to everyone.Its also a slap in the face to all those who do follow the rules.Ultimately your community includes a lot more than just your drinking buddies and if you defy your community because you only care about your drinking buddies then you shouldn't be surprised when the community isolates you anyway.The countries that are doing the best in this crisis are countries in which people have a sense of danger:Finland,Norway,Germany,Taiwan,South Korea,Israel.The thing is all of these countries have a very paranoid view of the world and they tend to err on the side of caution.The US by having all of these highly visible conflicts during a national emergency is unintentionally discrediting the federal system as a whole.'what's the point of 50 states if during an emergency you can barely coordinate?'

I'm sorry but this is not about drinking buddies. This is about standing up for your rights. There are people who will never get their business back because the government forced them to shut down. The full economic impact from this shut down we're not gonna see for right away but it will come. I'm also worried that this is a stress test in that the various states are getting a feel for how far they can push their citizens when they deem something an "emergency" because rights you give up do not come back with out a fight. As far as discrediting the federal system, that's not how that works at least not how it's supposed to work. Each state is supposed to be just that, it's own state. that works with the other states to form a representative federal government but shit's gone so wack and we've already given up so much before Corona-chan...I just don't know anymore. To bring this back to Bob, Bob doesn't care about the outbreak. He doesn't need to leave the house to do his job, he has no where to go save for the arcade on the pier where he wins kids toys from the claw machine or the one barcade where he amassed all the crap he tried to sell before Christmas, and he has no drinking buddies. He just doesn't like these people because they're against what he wants which is mommy government.

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Well because during a national emergency everyone needs to be in the same boat.By this logic during WW2 Montana residents could have said 'our sons shouldn't be drafted because our population is so small its not gonna make much of a dent to the overall effort' which honestly would be a true statement.Or is the phrase 'all in this together' applied only for human enemies?Threats to one are a threat to all.

The difference there is that we actually have something on the books about fighting in wars as that is an outside threat that we can combat. There's nothing in law about banding together to fight something as ethereal as a coof. Even after the Spanish flu we didn't make any laws about it.

 

[Flexo]

Well because during a national emergency everyone needs to be in the same boat.By this logic during WW2 Montana residents could have said 'our sons shouldn't be drafted because our population is so small its not gonna make much of a dent to the overall effort' which honestly would be a true statement.Or is the phrase 'all in this together' applied only for human enemies?Threats to one are a threat to all.Not to mention the fact that whatever contribution Wyoming is bringing to the Union is a lot smaller than financial powerhouse NYC.If NYC falls Wyoming won't survive but the vice versa would not apply.Cuomo might be an opportunist and a jerk but he wasn't lying when talking about who is more important to the Union.

Ok meatbag, let me explain to you this little thing you require called "food" and where it comes from...

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Well because during a national emergency everyone needs to be in the same boat.By this logic during WW2 Montana residents could have said 'our sons shouldn't be drafted because our population is so small its not gonna make much of a dent to the overall effort' which honestly would be a true statement.Or is the phrase 'all in this together' applied only for human enemies?Threats to one are a threat to all.Not to mention the fact that whatever contribution Wyoming is bringing to the Union is a lot smaller than financial powerhouse NYC.If NYC falls Wyoming won't survive but the vice versa would not apply.Cuomo might be an opportunist and a jerk but he wasn't lying when talking about who is more important to the Union.

First: it has never been about disagreeing that this is an emergency. We all know the kung flu is bad news. It is about government leaders making grabs at tyrannical power. I know it gives Bob a raging boner to consider living in an autocratic society, but many Americans aren't simps like him and won't consent to living under tyrants like the governor of Michigan. People can understand wearing masks and avoiding crowded areas and shortages of luxury items; they draw the line at "you can't live in a cabin in the mountains. to socially distance; you need to stay at home in an urban environment. Also, no gardening- because I said so."

Second: like @Flexo said, urbanized areas (which vote Democrat) require food, which is grown in rural areas (which typically vote Republican.) Red states can survive the fall of Blue states, since Red states have most of the raw materials and factories necessary for survival. Bob believes food growth can be automated (it really can't be; there are simply too many variables to consider), and thus that makes Red states obsolete. The truth is the exact opposite.

Edited for grammar, spelling, and last-minute thoughts

 

[iafiv]

NYC can actually import all the food it needs if the Midwest was unavailable.It started out as a port city.Its financial powerhouse status actually makes it important for many other places on the planet.If the Union dissolved for the sake of argument NYC would actually not suffer as much as others because its important in the whole global financial chain.I don't like it but its true.If NYC was cut off genuinely cut off from agricultural production it could simply import everything it needs by sea from other places.Its still an important trading hub.Sure that leads to deficits but it can survive.Port cities are almost always more prosperous by that simple fact.They got access to the sea so if they're unable to get anything by land they're gonna get it through the sea.Cities like St Louis are easier to cut off but the big coastal cities can thrive even in the worst crisis.

 

[Things Better Forgotten]

Other people have already refuted your points better than I would, so instead I'm going to say this. Please learn to format your posts because my eyes are bleeding trying to read this massive run-on format with no paragraphs and no spaces after punctuation.

Also if you want to sperg about lockdown/protesters there is probably a thread about it but I'm not a mod and it's not my job to make you go elsewhere.

NYC can actually import all the food it needs if the Midwest was unavailable.It started out as a port city.Its financial powerhouse status actually makes it important for many other places on the planet.If the Union dissolved for the sake of argument NYC would actually not suffer as much as others because its important in the whole global financial chain.I don't like it but its true.If NYC was cut off genuinely cut off from agricultural production it could simply import everything it needs.Its still an important trading hub.Sure that leads to deficits but it can survive.

Did Robert finally make an account?

 

[Mola Ram]

It started out as a port city

Sure, lets increase imported goods during a global pandemic.

NYC would actually not suffer as much as others because its important in the whole global financial chain.

That stopped being true when it became possible to trade stocks online. Wall Street's exchanges are relics, and the coronavirus work from home is making that clearer than it's ever been. Know why the commodities exchange wasn't destroyed on 9/11? Because it had been moved to fucking New Jersey, and that was 20 years ago.

If NYC was cut off genuinely cut off from agricultural production it could simply import everything it needs.

You must be a New Yorker, because only a New Yorker could be this mind bogglingly parochial.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Bob believes food growth can be automated (it really can't be; there are simply too many variables to consider), and thus that makes Red states obsolete.

This is why I wanted to add stupid to the name of the thread because Bob is incompetent in separating reality from fiction.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

NYC can actually import all the food it needs if the Midwest was unavailable.It started out as a port city.Its financial powerhouse status actually makes it important for many other places on the planet.If the Union dissolved for the sake of argument NYC would actually not suffer as much as others because its important in the whole global financial chain.I don't like it but its true.If NYC was cut off genuinely cut off from agricultural production it could simply import everything it needs.Its still an important trading hub.Sure that leads to deficits but it can survive.

You made some good points earlier, but now you're missing the forest for the trees here.
This is not about which state can survive on its own (none of them really can; the beauty of the Union is that each state supports the others and forms the USA, which is more than the sum of its parts.) This is about the tyrannical behaviors of state governors and how people are reacting to them. I agree storming the capitol with guns isn't a good look, but Gretchen has refused to listen to reason; the show of force is more to get her attention.
If you read nothing else in this post, read this: the protesters don't want to fight.
They are fed up with the governor's power grabs and want it to stop. She refuses to listen to reason, so they're putting on a show of force to intimidate her to the negotiating table. She cannot justify her decisions beyond "just because I said so," and it's pissing people off. These protests are an expression of that.
Now, I'm not a moderator, so I can't threaten you, and I'm not gonna tattle to a mod either. But I will say this: this thread is dedicated to a specific individual (Robert Chipman, AKA Moviebob), not which state can survive the Wu Flu. Try to keep it on that topic.

Remember when Bob made the """joke""" about he'd knock boots with Kim Jo Yong as she was the perfect mommy president and all you obsolete simpletons fell for it? Man! Was there ever egg on your fa-

Jung H. Pak, PhD on Twitter

“We often forget that Kim Yo Jong has as much bureaucratic experience as her brother. And she’s got the “pure” bloodline to boot. https://t.co/u3s1lWA1Xj”

twitter.com

https://archive.vn/LmIAc

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Main I mean business account too. I'd say we're starting to drift into Poe's Law territory but Bob's not smart enough to be a poe. LMAO at "pure" bloodline bit. We must keep our chinky fetishes untainted.

Hitler had it wrong. The ubermensch weren't white people; they were Oriental thots.

EDITED because fuck double posting

 

[Malagor the dank omen]

NYC can actually import all the food it needs if the Midwest was unavailable.It started out as a port city.Its financial powerhouse status actually makes it important for many other places on the planet.If the Union dissolved for the sake of argument NYC would actually not suffer as much as others because its important in the whole global financial chain.I don't like it but its true.If NYC was cut off genuinely cut off from agricultural production it could simply import everything it needs by sea from other places.Its still an important trading hub.Sure that leads to deficits but it can survive.Port cities are almost always more prosperous by that simple fact.They got access to the sea so if they're unable to get anything by land they're gonna get it through the sea.Cities like St Louis are easier to cut off but the big coastal cities can thrive even in the worst crisis.

First: Sure, you need NYC to generate wealth and wealth is good. But to practical effects of putting food on the table, building houses and keeping you warm and safe, they can all go to hell. Urban areas are not producers, they are receptors of goods. They cannot sustain such a high population even if they wanted because they don't have the space to do so. They are a financial powerhouse, sure, but at the end of the day you cannot keep people warm and fed with bonds and shares. And like @Mola Ram said, online trading and working from home has made them obsolete to a really good degree.
Second: if you think that NYC can import all its food, you are wrong again. You clearly do not understand the enormous logistical endeavour that it would be unless you handed over the food at the dock. And even if you managed to sort out a decent distribution chain, you better brace for the bitter truth, because in this pandemic other countries are already doing the same and therefore the price of food will go up inevitably. On top of that, add the fact that you are importing food, which ramps up the price instead of consuming local products which are cheaper because they require less transportation and conservation in order to reach the consumers. This will obviously make the prices go up again. Are you sure you want to sell food at a higher price to people who are in a state of financial insecurity? And if you think "the city can put enough money for that", you clearly are talking out of your ass.
Third: Europe is not faring much better, and it's because of food imports too. Do you think it's good to import your food while keeping your farmers out of work? Because that's a sure way to guarantee that many farms are going to close and eventually, you will depend even more on food imports than before while empoverishing your own country. Food prices will go up because of importing food and also you will increase the price of food in the country of origin, making the population of probably 3rd world countries have a harder access to food.

I know you don't have all the facts, but the world is far more complicated than that. And sorry for the wall of text.

 

[Flexo]

NYC can actually import all the food it needs if the Midwest was unavailable.It started out as a port city.Its financial powerhouse status actually makes it important for many other places on the planet.If the Union dissolved for the sake of argument NYC would actually not suffer as much as others because its important in the whole global financial chain.I don't like it but its true.If NYC was cut off genuinely cut off from agricultural production it could simply import everything it needs by sea from other places.Its still an important trading hub.Sure that leads to deficits but it can survive.Port cities are almost always more prosperous by that simple fact.They got access to the sea so if they're unable to get anything by land they're gonna get it through the sea.Cities like St Louis are easier to cut off but the big coastal cities can thrive even in the worst crisis.

Yes, NYC will be able to import food when there's a global famine. /sarc

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/world/africa/coronavirus-hunger-crisis.html

Yeah, everyone's going to send them nibbles instead of keeping it for their own citizens. You really think the world loves New York City that much???

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Bob made an appearance in Bad Film Takes.

 

[BScCollateral]

NYC can actually import all the food it needs if the Midwest was unavailable.

New York City no longer has an active seaport.

EDIT: To be fair, I'm working from the assumption that "A few docks" <> "Active seaport able to support enough commerce to support the city." All that stuff goes to New Jersey; New York City's South Street Seaport is now a museum. The dock where Titanic was heading is, I believe, an indoor tennis court or driving range.

 

[Mola Ram]

New York City no longer has an active seaport.

Sure it does, it's just in New Jersey.

EDIT: There's also the Marine Terminal in Red Hook.

 

[dzonatan]

Also anyone who doesn’t have diabetes.

Also anyone who's kept it to themselves whether they wanted to do their thing or attend their father's funeral.