Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Haha so what? My OC Dik Reider can yeet both of them in a spice fueled bender in his pantaloons and after chugging a tall boy of Nat-E Lite. I don't care what that faggot with the cowboy hat says about his fanfiction, because it's shit and pisses on what came before his.

Besides, he had to actually beg George to give him his own canon rating for his show (old levels gave Filoni Wars a new level, which I bet is "alternate universe". It's that level of pathetic.
Dave Filoni actually begged Papa George to make his show """Canon"""? I wouldn't be that surprised considering George wanted Ahsoka to be dead, but now she's the center of the universe who will outlive every star wars character. The stench of him inserting his oc's into Revenge of the Sith is amusing to watch.
Someone spliced these scenes together to show how Filoni is trying to connect his fanfiction into the film.
 
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Dave Filoni actually begged Papa George to make his show """Canon"""? I wouldn't be that surprised considering George wanted Ahsoka to be dead, but now she's the center of the universe who will outlive every star wars character. The stench of him inserting his oc's into Revenge of the Sith is amusing to watch.
Someone spliced these scenes together to show how Filoni is trying to connect his fanfiction into the film.
Basically Filoni's precious product is all T-Canon in the old system, which was specifically created just for him. I almost suspect it was George just going "yeah okay Dave" and making sure it didn't match the first two levels of canon. Chee tried to claim it's above all the EU stuff, but fuck that. It was just made for Dave.

So when I say it's fanfiction, it was always fanfiction.
 
Basically Filoni's precious product is all T-Canon in the old system, which was specifically created just for him. I almost suspect it was George just going "yeah okay Dave" and making sure it didn't match the first two levels of canon. Chee tried to claim it's above all the EU stuff, but fuck that. It was just made for Dave.

So when I say it's fanfiction, it was always fanfiction.
If Dave Filoni really respected George's vision he would of stepped up during the What If Triolgy and be like, let's not undo the character development from the last films and turn them into dead beats, but he didn't and even encourage Rian Johnson and J.J. to go through with the character assassinations, he only gets protective when it comes to his own Oc's, and Force Wolves, I don't hate him, but he's no more special than Zahn, Luceno, Stover, etc...
 
If Dave Filoni really respected George's vision he would of stepped up during the What If Triolgy and be like, let's not undo the character development from the last films and turn them into dead beats, but he didn't and even encourage Rian Johnson and J.J. to go through with the character assassinations, he only gets protective when it comes to his own Oc's, and Force Wolves, I don't hate him, but he's no more special than Zahn, Luceno, Stover, etc...
It seems he's a massive opportunist that tries to yes man or ma'am as hard as he can so he can make his pet characters and fetishes and control others' work to to what he wants.

So George without a respect for previous works.
 
BBC's gonna BBC. 🤷‍♂️


Why the Empire Strikes Back is Overrated

The general consensus is that the second in the original Star Wars trilogy - released 40 years ago - is the best. In fact, it’s to blame for the franchise’s problems, writes Nicholas Barber.
  • By Nicholas Barber
30 April 2020

It’s 40 years this month since The Empire Strikes Back was released, and for most of that time the second film in the Star Wars series has been enshrined as the best: the darkest, the most complex, the most mature. Directed by Irvin Kershner, it’s the Star Wars episode with the highest score from critics on Rotten Tomatoes (94%) and from viewers on Imdb (8.7), and the one that is said to elevate the saga as a whole. “It is because of the emotions stirred in Empire,” wrote Roger Ebert in the Chicago Sun-Times when the film was re-released in 1997, “that the entire series takes on a mythic quality that resonates back to the first and ahead to the third. This is the heart.”

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I wish I could agree. This might come across as a contrarian hot take, but it seems obvious to me that the best film in the Star Wars series is, in fact, Star Wars. (I know we’re supposed to call it ‘A New Hope’ these days, but it was called Star Wars when it came out in 1977, so that’s good enough for me.) What’s more, it seems obvious that The Empire Strikes Back is the source of all the franchise’s problems. Whatever issues we geeks grumble about when we’re discussing the numerous prequels and sequels, they can all be traced back to 1980.

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The Empire Strikes Back is a gloomier, more convoluted and repetitive film than Star Wars – and its production design isn’t on the same level

I should add, before too many people attempt a Darth Vader-style Force choke through the internet, that I wouldn’t be saying this if I wasn’t in awe of what George Lucas accomplished as the writer, director and producer of the original Star Wars. That swashbuckling adventure! Those iconic characters! That lived-in world with its wealth of history, mythology, politics and technology! I’m not completely happy with Alec Guinness’s toupee, but otherwise Lucas’s masterpiece gets more astonishing with every re-watch.

Then came The Empire Strikes Back – a gloomier film, admittedly, but also a slower, stodgier, more contrived, convoluted and repetitive one. Again, I’m not being perverse here. In 1980, several critics were underwhelmed, including Vincent Canby of the New York Times, who stated that the sequel wasn’t “as fresh and funny and surprising and witty” as Star Wars. It was, he believed, “a big, expensive, time-consuming, essentially mechanical operation”.

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Narrative logic suggests that Obi-Wan should continue training Luke, but he is cold-shouldered in favour of Yoda

I wouldn’t go that far, but let’s be sensible about this. The production design is clearly not on the same level as Star Wars. The Rebel base on the ice planet looks roughly what you’d expect a Rebel base on an ice planet to look like; the plain white plastic corridors of Cloud City could have been salvaged from the studio bins after a Star Trek film had wrapped. These shortcomings are disguised by Peter Suschitzky’s atmospheric cinematography. (A master of shadows, reflections and deep colour, he would go on to be David Cronenberg’s regular director of photography.) But not even Suschitzky’s spine-tingling work could improve the derivative story.
It betrays Star Wars, trashing so much of the good work that was done three years earlier
Key events in Star Wars include Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) being knocked unconscious by a wilderness alien; Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher) being captured by Darth Vader (Dave Prowse’s body paired with James Earl Jones’s voice); Luke learning about the Force from a Jedi master in a remote cave; a lightsaber duel that ends badly for the good guys; a ‘scoundrel’ abandoning the Rebels before having a change of heart; and a protracted battle between the ranks of the Rebel Alliance and the heavily armed Empire. Switch around the order of those events, and you’ve got The Empire Strikes Back. And while the screenwriters, Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett, did a clever job of revising and reshuffling our favourite scenes, that hardly compares to Lucas’s achievement of dreaming up those scenes in the first place.

‘Setting a bad example’

But here’s where things get tricky. My grievance with The Empire Strikes Back isn’t that it sticks to the winning formula established by Star Wars: that’s what most sequels do, after all. My grievance is that it also betrays Star Wars, trashing so much of the good work that was done three years earlier. My un-Jedi-like anger bubbles up even before the first scene – at the beginning of the ‘opening crawl’ of introductory text, to be precise. “It is a dark time for the Rebellion,” says this prose preamble. “Although the Death Star has been destroyed, Imperial troops have driven the Rebel forces from their hidden base and pursued them across the galaxy.”

Haaaaang on a minute. “Although the Death Star has been destroyed”? “Although”? The sole aim of the heroes and heroines in Star Wars was to destroy the Death Star, a humungous planet-pulverising spaceship of crucial strategic importance to the Empire. One of their big cheeses announced that “fear of this battle station” would keep every dissenter in line. Another hailed it as “the ultimate power in the universe”. But now the Rebels’ demolishing of the ultimate power in the universe is waved aside with an “although”? That, frankly, is not on. And it’s just the first of many instances when The Empire Strikes Back asks us to pretend that Star Wars didn’t happen.

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The screenwriters of The Empire Strikes Back reshuffled and reordered the plot of Star Wars

Remember that scene in Star Wars when an Imperial admiral mocked Darth Vader for his “sad devotion to that ancient [Jedi] religion”? Forget it – because in The Empire Strikes Back we’re told that the Emperor himself is devoted to the same religion. And what about Obi-Wan Kenobi? Remember how he started training Luke to be a Jedi knight partly because his previous pupil, Darth Vader, turned to the Dark Side of the Force? Narrative logic demands that the ghostly Obi-Wan should keep on training Luke in The Empire Strikes Back, and send his new apprentice into combat against his old one.

Forget it. The poor chap is cold-shouldered so that Yoda can train Luke instead.
It twists the saga from the political to the personal, from space opera to soap opera
Watching Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back one after the other is like watching a hijacking: you’re seeing a juggernaut being held up and driven in another direction. You can sense that Lucas and his team aren’t focusing on the current film any more – they’re setting up the third part in what would now be a trilogy – and they are no longer interested in wars in the stars. Despite its title, The Empire Strikes Back is rarely about the Alliance v the Empire, it’s about who is related to whom and who is in love with whom (the two sometimes overlap). It twists the saga from the political to the personal, from space opera to soap opera. Is it possible to say whether the Empire is better or worse off at the end of the film, after all that supposed striking back? Not really. None of that matters, apparently, compared to the booming declaration: “I am your father!”

If The Empire Strikes Back had been a one-off, I could have forgiven it by now. But what about all the many films that have used it as a model – all the films that have tarnished Star Wars by contradicting its mythos and obsessing over its family trees? All the tiresome dramatic revelations which have tried and failed to be as mind-blowing as the one about Luke’s lineage? I was annoyed when Qui-Gon Jinn was shoehorned into Obi Wan’s past in The Phantom Menace, annoyed when Rey became Palpatine’s granddaughter (or something) in The Rise of Skywalker, annoyed when the emergence of the all-conquering First Order in The Force Awakens reduced everything done by Luke, Leia and Han Solo to a footnote. But I accept that the writers and directors of those films were only following The Empire Strikes Back’s bad example.

It’s not just Star Wars films that have made the exasperating mistake of prioritising franchise-building over simply making a good film, either.. Think of all those films and TV shows that assume we’ll jump for joy when the villain is revealed to be Sherlock Holmes’ sister or James Bond’s childhood pal. Think of all those superhero blockbusters that waste time teeing up the next instalment in the series. I’m sorry, but The Empire Strikes Back has to take the blame for all of them. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
 

Its all the Diznee H8Rs faults! They made him do it!

Last year, a site that doesn’t like Disney-era Star Wars posted my home address. People showed up at my house where my kids live. We had to move. Now, that same site is claiming that I’m a pedophile, that I wife swap, that someone close to me who was raped absolutely was not, and just brick after brick of total fabricated shit.

This has a whiff of BS to my nose, but I guess it is possible. I'm kind of surprised he didn't blame GamerGate. 🤔
 
What's that, Crybullies who are mad fans ignore them beyond mocking them now, and journos who know Rian through his wife (who has a lot of ties to journos and shills btw) are still trying to get him out of the doghouse by tearing down good things and lying blatantly?

Oh and they're losing views and getting fired?

Go on.
 
Tangential to this, but I also wished we got to see the Imperial side of the war.

I'd pay good money to watch a series of this:
Hell, it could be both, with the series often swapping between Imperial and Rebels pilots, but that'd require the writers to actually know what they're doing.
I think it's funny that's the 3rd or 4th time that video has been posted to this thread.

It's just that awesome.
 
No joke: aside from spurring me to get into the Expanded Universe, my disgust with The Force Awakens was also partially responsible for me recently getting into older anime, largely because I was desperate for a good space opera now that the latest Star Wars movie had amounted to be nothing but a wet fart.

Good news is that older anime is brimming with sweeping epic space opera storylines like Space Battleship Yamato, Mobile Suit Gundam, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Arcadia of My Youth, and probably my favorite discovery, Super Dimension Fortress Macross. So if you like epic space operas, the anime of yesteryear has you covered, and with a stark absence of the usual grating anime bullshit like high school and little girls, to boot.
Don't forget the best space princess out there:
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She'll never betray you.



I'm giving that shitty article more time of the day than it's worth but whatever.

First, he rants about ESB being allegedly a retread of ANH:

> Key events in Star Wars include: ... Switch around the order of those events, and you’ve got The Empire Strikes Back.

> Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) being knocked unconscious by a wilderness alien;
Heaven forbid an adventure movie set in a different galaxy actually shows both these aspects.

> Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher) being captured by Darth Vader
a newly introduced character, captured alone after setting up the main storyline
vs
a lead, captured with the main team, putting the currently active plot thread on pause.

> Luke learning about the Force from a Jedi master in a remote cave;
Why shouldn't Luke continue learning about the Force?

> a lightsaber duel that ends badly for the good guys;
Heaven forbid that the movies' most iconic prop is featured in scenes with some narrative tension.

> a ‘scoundrel’ abandoning the Rebels before having a change of heart;
Heaven forbid a Rebel Alliance will be recruiting allies.

> and a protracted battle between the ranks of the Rebel Alliance and the heavily armed Empire.
A war? In my Star Wars?

Then, this here part makes me particularly assblasted in light of complaints that the OT is childish and the What If shitting on the OT is srs art:

> Haaaaang on a minute. “Although the Death Star has been destroyed”? “Although”? The sole aim of the heroes and heroines in Star Wars was to destroy the Death Star, a humungous planet-pulverising spaceship of crucial strategic importance to the Empire. One of their big cheeses announced that “fear of this battle station” would keep every dissenter in line. Another hailed it as “the ultimate power in the universe”. But now the Rebels’ demolishing of the ultimate power in the universe is waved aside with an “although”?

Well yes, the empire has lasted for 19 years as of ANH without the Death Star and the Rebels were losing. The destruction of the Death Star postpones the Rebels' defeat, gives them more ground to stand on when recruiting allies, and wastes the Empire's resources and manpower. And from a filmcrit viewpoint, the idea of an easy topical solution to a longstanding problem is incredibly childish (so it's not at all surprising to see a soy manchild ask for it). To sperg more SJW style, it's kind of... socially conservative? It suggests, "if only we stop this new development, everything would be just spiffy".

> Narrative logic demands that the ghostly Obi-Wan should keep on training Luke in The Empire Strikes Back, and send his new apprentice into combat against his old one. Forget it. The poor chap is cold-shouldered so that Yoda can train Luke instead.

Again with the childish bullshit. Ghosts are better left as mystical not-sure-if-real entities, people's legacies and memories of them. You can ask a friend's ghost for advice, which will materialistically translate to thinking back to your past experiences and thinking what Obi-Wan would have done. But you can't learn from something which didn't happen - it'll just lead to making shit up within your limited experience, it's prideful and stupid. Searching for the truth exclusively within yourself, making up strawman opponents and vanquishing them with your perfect logic will result in one pea of a thought rattling in your empty head forever, and that thought will probably be masturbation, thus so many sex cults. Luke needed a real living teacher.

> I was annoyed when Qui-Gon Jinn was shoehorned into Obi Wan’s past in The Phantom Menace

...shoehorned? Qui-Gon Jinn first appeared in The Phantom Menace.
 
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I stopped reading when he claimed that ESB was just a rearranged ANH. You have to stretch beyond the reaches of the known universe to claim that.
I mean, in SFDebris' "making of" series, he does admit that George was thinking about ESB and "what if" things were reversed with the major space battle at the start and character moments at the end. But that's like..... complaining that both movies had the same characters. I mean what kind of star wars movie has no wars and no character?

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Oh. Right.

These also trigger my autism.

> Luke learning about the Force from a Jedi master in a remote cave;
Why shouldn't Luke continue learning about the Force?

No he doesn't you dumbass. (the author, not you, @Safir - you alright) He meets the old Jedi masters in their remote cave homes. The actual training in the Force takes place in the lounge area of the M. Falcon in the first movie, and outdoors in the swamp in the second movie.

> a ‘scoundrel’ abandoning the Rebels before having a change of heart;
Heaven forbid a Rebel Alliance will be recruiting allies.

If this guy (or gal) can't figure out what the difference is between "leaving after a job is done" and "betrayal" then I wouldn't trust them to fulfill a fast food order - must less have any kind of friendship with them. Also "abandoning" means you have to be "with" them in the first place. Lando was never allied with the rebels, he was just a buddy of Han's and was betraying the rebels from the start.

This is probably the greatest stretch in the whole thing. I'm surprised the author didn't talk about Han shooting his gun at people in both films.
 
Tangential to this, but I also wished we got to see the Imperial side of the war.

I'd pay good money to watch a series of this:
Hell, it could be both, with the series often swapping between Imperial and Rebels pilots, but that'd require the writers to actually know what they're doing.

Rogue Squadron did that. The EU Empire had fucking nuance. People sided with it because it was orderly, peaceful, it had human centric policy, and endorsed tradition and roles. In other words it was an Empire worth supporting or opposing. Now? I don't give a fuck about the Disney Empire. Whatever the fuck it was called, what did it stand for? Evil? I mean come on. Same with the resistance. Freedom? Freedom to what? You want something like that, legend of the galactic heroes. That's what the EU gave, that's what Filoni and Kennedy and the rest took away. Clones without agency, imperials without nuance, rebels without depth. A shallow cartoon of a saga.
 
The old EU did have nuance to the Empire and I give Lucas a LOT of credit for letting it happen. Yes, the Emperor was a Sith Lord, was directly responsible for playing both sides of the war, and committed atrocities with the military, but it did provide order and a stable currency versus the Republic at the end of its life. (It was only teased in the old EU but hyperinflation ala 1930's Germany was happening to the Republic during the Clone Wars.)

The whole "thunderous applause" bit didn't come from nowhere. People felt heavily disenfranchised and that the bureaucracy had reached levels where the Republic no longer functioned as a Federal government. The Sith plan played out perfectly at getting people to accept the death of liberty with the idea of a strong executive. (And honestly the one idea that Disney had that actually worked is that the New Republic effectively screwed itself by heavily limiting the executive branch due to fear of another Palpatine.)
 
The old EU did have nuance to the Empire and I give Lucas a LOT of credit for letting it happen. Yes, the Emperor was a Sith Lord, was directly responsible for playing both sides of the war, and committed atrocities with the military, but it did provide order and a stable currency versus the Republic at the end of its life. (It was only teased in the old EU but hyperinflation ala 1930's Germany was happening to the Republic during the Clone Wars.)

The whole "thunderous applause" bit didn't come from nowhere. People felt heavily disenfranchised and that the bureaucracy had reached levels where the Republic no longer functioned as a Federal government. The Sith plan played out perfectly at getting people to accept the death of liberty with the idea of a strong executive. (And honestly the one idea that Disney had that actually worked is that the New Republic effectively screwed itself by heavily limiting the executive branch due to fear of another Palpatine.)
This can also be seen in how the Confederacy has legitimate grievances. It's the corruption and centralization of power within the Republic that makes the Empire possible. If the mid and outer rim break free from the Republic the Galactic Empire would be severely weakened if it ever came to be. That's why Palpatine couldn't let the Confederacy win although they easily could have without the creation of the clone army he conspired to have created. Of course a fractured Republic comes with its own set of problems. Stronger factions could start harassing the weaker ones. You would have slaver worlds raiding farm worlds. Massive galactic corporations enforcing demands with military power. Mercenary groups hired by the highest bidder in backwater conflicts. But there could never be an empire, no Sith Lord Emperor ruling the entire galaxy with an iron fist.
 
Shit, just watched the new CW episode. That was garbage. I just got angrier as they called the chip plan 'brilliant'. Seriously? It malfunctioned. The Jedi knew about it and had to be brain damaged not to follow up on it.

The old EU did have nuance to the Empire and I give Lucas a LOT of credit for letting it happen. Yes, the Emperor was a Sith Lord, was directly responsible for playing both sides of the war, and committed atrocities with the military, but it did provide order and a stable currency versus the Republic at the end of its life. (It was only teased in the old EU but hyperinflation ala 1930's Germany was happening to the Republic during the Clone Wars.)

The whole "thunderous applause" bit didn't come from nowhere.

But even once all that was laid bare, there were policies of the empire that humans in the Core Worlds loved. No one fights just for Palpatine, but for his new order.
 
> Haaaaang on a minute. “Although the Death Star has been destroyed”? “Although”? The sole aim of the heroes and heroines in Star Wars was to destroy the Death Star, a humungous planet-pulverising spaceship of crucial strategic importance to the Empire. One of their big cheeses announced that “fear of this battle station” would keep every dissenter in line. Another hailed it as “the ultimate power in the universe”. But now the Rebels’ demolishing of the ultimate power in the universe is waved aside with an “although”?

Well yes, the empire has lasted for 19 years as of ANH without the Death Star and the Rebels were losing. The destruction of the Death Star postpones the Rebels' defeat, gives them more ground to stand on when recruiting allies, and wastes the Empire's resources and manpower. And from a filmcrit viewpoint, the idea of an easy topical solution to a longstanding problem is incredibly childish (so it's not at all surprising to see a soy manchild ask for it). To sperg more SJW style, it's kind of... socially conservative? It suggests, "if only we stop this new development, everything would be just spiffy".

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And yet these same noodlearms will applaud like trained seals when the beginning of The Force Awakens reveals that the Empire 2.0 is up and running without a hitch and has built a super duper Death Star. Don't even get me started on that cringy fleet of a million star destroyers in the last movie, too. Though to be fair by that point pathos had set in so it was more or less appropriate.


This can also be seen in how the Confederacy has legitimate grievances. It's the corruption and centralization of power within the Republic that makes the Empire possible. If the mid and outer rim break free from the Republic the Galactic Empire would be severely weakened if it ever came to be. That's why Palpatine couldn't let the Confederacy win although they easily could have without the creation of the clone army he conspired to have created. Of course a fractured Republic comes with its own set of problems. Stronger factions could start harassing the weaker ones. You would have slaver worlds raiding farm worlds. Massive galactic corporations enforcing demands with military power. Mercenary groups hired by the highest bidder in backwater conflicts. But there could never be an empire, no Sith Lord Emperor ruling the entire galaxy with an iron fist.
The prequels certainly have issues, though I am an unrepentant fan. Most of the arguments I can see and sometimes agree with, even though I can look past them. But one of the arguments I don't brook is the "It's a bunch of movies about POLITICS! I mean, what's up with thaaaat?" I always found the Civil War aspect really, really cool. It made for a great Episode III, a mostly fantastic animated series and for my money it's still the coolest era to set an RPG campaign in.
 
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This can also be seen in how the Confederacy has legitimate grievances. It's the corruption and centralization of power within the Republic that makes the Empire possible. If the mid and outer rim break free from the Republic the Galactic Empire would be severely weakened if it ever came to be. That's why Palpatine couldn't let the Confederacy win although they easily could have without the creation of the clone army he conspired to have created. Of course a fractured Republic comes with its own set of problems. Stronger factions could start harassing the weaker ones. You would have slaver worlds raiding farm worlds. Massive galactic corporations enforcing demands with military power. Mercenary groups hired by the highest bidder in backwater conflicts. But there could never be an empire, no Sith Lord Emperor ruling the entire galaxy with an iron fist.
At least conceptually you could have an interesting story where the galaxy had a cycle of unification - fracturing - unifying - etc for thousands and thousands of years, and it was the rise and creation of the Jedi that led to the longest stabilization of the galaxy ever.

Then you could have several story points to build from there. Jedi at the formation, during, rebuilding after the empire, the times before the Great Republic and what made each one unique, etc.

That's the other part that baffles me with Disney/Lucasfilm. They don't even bother to set things up for their authors and storytellers to play in. I mean even if they are a soulless, money hungry corporation, they're doing their damnedest to strangle the golden goose.

I mean just imagine this set up: anthology series. You establish that after the Empire, Luke wants to be sure to learn from the mistakes of the past and so goes on to study everything he can about it (maybe he goes on Force-vision-walks of the past). You get Mark Hamill to narrate a set up for the episode in question like Rod Sterling and then go into the story proper with whole new unknown (and cheap) actors. Finish the story in one, or even stretch it over multiple ones then have Mark return to do the voice over conclusion.

It doesn't even have to be high quality, just basically competent and a number of fans would eat it up. And if one of the arcs in the series really struck a cord with the audience, then bam! you've got a spinoff ready to go and build upon.

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And yet these same noodlearms will applaud like trained seals when the beginning of The Force Awakens reveals that the Empire 2.0 is up and running without a hitch and has built a super duper Death Star. Don't even get me started on that cringy fleet of a million star destroyers in the last movie, too. Though to be fair by that point pathos had set in so it was more or less appropriate.

I said it before, I'll say it again: the entire sequel trilogy should have built UP to Star Killer base. It firing should have been the climax of the trilogy, not the first damn movie.

The prequels certainly have issues, though I am an unrepentant fan. Most of the arguments I can see and sometimes agree with, even though I can look past them. But one of the arguments I don't brook is the "It's a bunch of movies about POLITICS! I mean, what's up with thaaaat?" I always found the Civil War aspect really, really cool. It made for a great Episode III, a mostly fantastic animated series and for my money it's still the coolest era to set an RPG campaign in.

I actually don't mind the politics, I mostly object that the politics are ill explained (requiring the EU to make sense of it) and/or pretty darn stupid at times. If anything I'd like them more if the politics were tightened up and better executed.
 
I actually don't mind the politics, I mostly object that the politics are ill explained (requiring the EU to make sense of it) and/or pretty darn stupid at times. If anything I'd like them more if the politics were tightened up and better executed.

The politics were great. The slow, subtle moments of intrigue, a phantom menace. Execution killed the prequels in there entirety, they are mostly bad movies.
 
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