The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

[vertexwindi]

Some more hot garbage from yours truly, Jason Schreier
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This reeks of bullshit. Why would any dev play specific spoiler heavy parts and save them as a video?

>early build
I thought the leaked footage contained timestamps dating to April 2020.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

What is it with these people?

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What's the betting that's from his alt account?

Sony is functionally re.t.arded if they let him stay and continue to do his own thing. There's no two ways about this. Ultimately, he wanted it to be 'his', so staffing decisions were entirely his own. This means he is responsible for the leak. Shit rolls downhill. He wanted independence, so the security and everything was on him. If he mistreated his staff so badly that the entire game got leaked, that is his fault as well. Sony is not going to take it in the ass for him.

They will defend him now, but they now the terrible reaction is basically going to crater sales. Believe me, if the game was good, this would just generate hype and be forgotten about. Which is why it was leaked. The leaker knew the audience would loathe the direction it took and would kill it. So again, its Druckman's fault for fucking abysmal creative decisions, We're just talking like a 0/100 scale here. A massive failure of unprecedented proportions of fucking up your audience. Fighting a beloved character? People will just rather straight up lose the game than do that. Nobody is attached to her, and plenty of people are going to resent you forcing to play as her.

1 is most likely. He's entirely responsible for this disaster. Even if the game leaked, if it was good, Sony might send out some DMCAs, but give up after awhile as it saw the hype train build. The problem is that it is universally HATED and LOATHED and has become a joke. This is the biggest problem. I imagine most likely, the studio will be 'restructured' and Druckman, ironically, will be completely forced out and will never helm anything by Sony ever again.

2 is them saving face. However, if they keep Druckman around, he WILL BE Sony's bitchboy. They will install people to oversee him and he will no longer have sole creative control, especially over hiring and firing. All game direction, I imagine, would have to be consulted with Sony themselves. Sony will assume total control. They will grab him by the throat so hard he'll think he was Ellie getting choke slammed by a tranny. That's how shit typically rolls when you fuckup this badly, this publicly. Maybe they'll make him like Kojima, put him in a small windowless room and lock the door, while all his people are axed and Sony brings in all of its people. All he's there for is to sign things and put his name on things. I think if they keep him, they use him as an example to other devs and make his life a living hell so he quits. Then he has to sign an NDA.

Sony is headed for bankruptcy in its gaming division if they leave him as-is, because they are no longer competent at managing people. And more people will do this knowing they can get away with it if you have one success. So its hard to imagine they'll let him get away with it or just give him a warning. Its idiotic. Then any Sony developer is going to be like 'wtf'. So if you show weakness on this, other devs WILL fuck with you because they saw how lightly you handled this. Believe me, other devs under Sony's umbrella are watching this very closely. If Sony shows weakness, the gaming division is fucked. Plain and simple. You'll never be able to trust a Sony product ever again, because they let their devs just do anything they want with their IPs. (Like, if you could before).

3 is least likely or most likely depending on sales. 6-7 years is a HUGE time and money investment. If it craters, if it continues to be even more memeable, then the studio is done. Name recognition and brand is important. If one game levels that brand to the ground, it no longer has any worth. So this will depend on how successful it is.

In general, I don't think Druckman comes out of this unscathed. He took nearly a decade, vast amounts of money, only to get it leaked, and the game is terrible. You really can't walk away smelling like roses. If Sony is really weak, they will lose massive amounts of face and just accept the humiliation Druckman fostered on him. And you know how the Japanese are when they get humiliated.

That being said, I say there's a 10% chance Sony is going to be a weak little bitch and let him off with a warning or an insignificant pay cut and not interfere.



I honestly think more people will let Abby get shot and call it the true ending and leave it off from there. More people will purposely fail that sequence. I wouldn't go through with it, I'd just let the cunt take a face full of buckshot. What do they seriously think people are going to do? Be ok with beating the shit out of one of their favorite characters? They might if Ellie WON, but we know she doesn't. So why even bother?

Sigh. The days when Sony were the company of the Trinitron, the Walkman, the original Playstation, and the carousel CD changer are long gone. Leaving aside the software and IP / music publishing divisions, when was the last time a really genuinely innovative Sony product came out? Blu Ray? Maybe, it did win a format war, but then digital distribution ate its lunch. I have never owned a Blu Ray player, drive, or disc because it's faster and easier to just download films now, or watch them on Netflix. They recently did a 40th anniversary Walkman. But, in the words of the great Techmoan, "it's an app!" And indeed it was. It was an Android phone with the phone bits taken out and a Sony branded media player preinstalled, and a leather cover that looks like a tape deck. Even Betamax had its merits (a derivative of the format survived into the 2000s in professional recording studios.)

The Sony of today is run by the same sort of people who thought that putting a virus on music CDs was a valid anti-piracy tool.

Thing is, Sony have to release this. I think the only way forward for them is to release it and take the shit reviews on the chin. If they cancel it, or bury it, or try to payola their way to a success, it will send the message that they are basically prepared to throw others under the bus for mistakes caused by their poor management. Who's going to sign up to be an exclusive developer for them after that.

Druckmann: "I don't write "hot" female characters, I write role models"

Jane Jensen, a female game designer and writer with an actual talent:

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"What can you tell me about...

Intersectional Feminism?"

- Gabriel Knight 4, if Anita Sarkeesian got her paws on it.

 

[4STA]

>early build
I thought the leaked footage contained timestamps dating to April 2020.

It's just another sad attempt to try to get normies to pre-order.

"Naughty Dog confirms leak was an Early Build, much has changed since then!"

 

[F. Murray Abraham]

Some more hot garbage from yours truly, Jason Schreier
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This reeks of bullshit. Why would any dev play specific spoiler heavy parts and save them as a video?

If Schreier's take were anymore of an unbelievable pile of shit, he'd have to get a patent for converting digital text into actual real-world feces. I've seen bootlicking before but this guy has a passion for it that rivals the worst fetishist.

 

[vertexwindi]

What kind of bizarre cover-up is that anyway? Are you telling me Naughty Dog makes people download patches from their internal development servers, as opposed to Sony's servers like every other Playstation game? That's the most retarded excuse I've heard this year. No game developer on earth would do that, it'd be insecure as fuck.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Not to get too off topic, but let's remember better days.

What's your favorite Naughty Dog game?

My personal fav game of theirs is the first Jak and Daxter.

 

[Titos]

Wait a second. So Le 3pic Haxor somehow gets access to their cloud storage and leaks the contents. If the things he leaked were in video format why the hell were devs specifically saving spoilery shit in video format? If the files were the actual game itself how did the "hacker" even access it? I'm no codemonkey but I'm pretty sure they would at least need a PS4 devkit to play the damned thing, and if it did have the whole game why did he only leak videos and pictures not the whole game? Doesn't take alot of big brain thonk to realize Jasons full of shit. Also, apparently to Sony fanboys questioning Naughty Dog is equivalent to questioning the verascity of 9/11. They never cease to amaze me.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Okay, this isn't weird at all.

https://www.t3.com/news/ps5-gets-sp...ogy-to-avoid-repeats-of-the-last-of-us-part-2

How do they expect to do this, as the article says, without reading and vetting every message in game and elsewhere. This can't possibly backfire and turn into the CD Rootkit Scandal 2.0.

 

[moocow]

Sorry if this is posted already. The Last of Us Part 2 Will Take 100GB Of Storage Space

That's a lot of memory for a movie there, naughty dog

I'm seeing this trend in all sorts of games these days. There's simply no excuse for it, either. Even if they're delivering 4k textures and several languages of fully-voiced dialogue, there's no reason for it to consume that much disk space. It's almost always a sign of poorly-compressed video and completely uncompressed textures and audio. When the audio you're shipping with your game takes more space than all the graphic data (levels, models and textures) combined, you're doing it wrong.

It's always funny to me to see those pirate repacks of big games where they reduce the install size of the game by more than 50% just by compressing the audio and recompressing the videos, with absolutely no loss in fidelity or performance. You can take uncompressed stereo 44kHz audio and shrink it by 80-90% just by using Ogg Vorbis on it with no noticeable loss in quality, and practically all sound libraries (even in console land) support it natively these days.

 

[Hangula Hungui]

What's your favorite Naughty Dog game?

Crash Bandicoot 3

Spoiler: sperging about my past

I grew up in a rather remote area, stores like Wal Mart or GameStop didn’t exist to my knowledge. I did have a PlayStation but my family is mostly blue collar working class so most of the „new“ games I had to play at rather wealthy friends. When Crash Bandicoot 3 was released, i was so damn jealous of a friend. He got it around the release date in December and never let me play it. He only allowed me to watch him. I asked my parents to get me Crash 3 for christmas. I didn’t get it. Sometime later, I stole a Demo Disc from a newspaper stand which had the Crash 3 Demo on it and I played it for an entire year. It was only the first level but my god, I loved it. This was also the year my parents bought me Crash 3 for Christmas. I yelled out in joy, ran into my room and finally played the entire game myself. I distinctly remember the smell of cinnamon and roast beef in the air, while my cat was sitting in my lap purring and kneading.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Druckmann sounds like the asshole who gets himself put in charge of the company party and orders nothing but pizza with anchovies instead of cheese and pepparoni that everyone actually wants. Then sits around patting himself on the back for forcing everyone to try something new while in reality everyone is just fucking pissed the prick ruined things for everyone.

There's a Tweet that's been posted a couple of times in the thread, where a fan politely asks him to keep his personal politics out of TLOU Part II, and his answer is along the lines of "No can do, frienderino!".

Shoulda listened to that guy Neil...

 

[2021Murder]

No, you're speaking from fear. Know the difference.

Do you know how this shit started? It's not some massive conspiracy to do this, it's lone nutjobs in positions of authority, working together in a loose conglomeration, which is why they're pathologically fucking incompetent about it. I've already gotten into this, but all it takes is a few specific assholes at a given company and control can be flexed. I've been over why Marvel comics suffered that fate, but if you need a refresher, it's because of a dipshit in the hiring pool who directly hired talent from woke Twitter, even when that talent happened to be someone who wound up slipping anti-semetic messages into comic books. The corporate parent would eventually get wise to the fact that these books were selling like shit, cancelling them and firing everyone involved, only for the same hiring department to hire more from the same Twitter cesspit. They got away for this so long because even the simplest company has interdepartmental disconnects, and each one is generally trusted to do its own thing so long as it benefits the company. And since Iger changed most of the focus Disney had in his reorg of how Disney made money, Marvel was generally left to its own devices.

What I'm getting at with all this is that no large company is stupid enough to go balls-deep into Social Justice. Not when it's provably not profitable. It's literally economic suicide at this point, and the only reason it's been happening is because they've had someone to pick up the tab. The problem is that eventually, there's a bill to be paid. This is what happened with Disney-Lucasfilm, only that fuck-up was so bad that it forced the Shareholders to get involved, resulting in Iger hiring actually talented people who put out the Mandalorian.

This shit will eventually exhaust itself. All we need to do is be patient and push back.

Alinsky called from the 40s to tell you to go fuck yourself. People have known about the weakspot of hiring since hitler was alive. Any company worth their salt was making sure that certain groups didnt end up getting hired or were put in charge of hiring because it led to more of them being brought in.

Sony shouldn't even be in this mess in the first place. And would be smart enough to not let it happen if it happened over in japan.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Honestly seems rather doubtful this guy leaked it. He left ND in 2018, right? You're telling me this guy was holding onto a copy of TLOU2 for all this time, and that it looked pretty much done two years ago? I dunno.

I haven’t actually seen the leaked footage outside of the few memed ones - I was under the impression it was just cutscenes that got leaked? If so, it’s not inconceivable that they had a lot of that stuff in a more-or-less complete-looking state 2 years ago. Not saying I believe the literal Reddit-tier investigation, but being an old dev doesn’t necessarily rule it out.

 

[ZehnBoat]

 

[Ruin]

Some of the timestamps are from April of 2020 Sony is full of it. The leaked footage isn't from an early dev build. this is desperation trying to salvage sales.

 

[vertexwindi]

I haven’t actually seen the leaked footage outside of the few memed ones - I was under the impression it was just cutscenes that got leaked? If so, it’s not inconceivable that they had a lot of that stuff in a more-or-less complete-looking state 2 years ago. Not saying I believe the literal Reddit-tier investigation, but being an old dev doesn’t necessarily rule it out.

The timestamps on the footage date these builds to February and April of this year so that most certainly rules it out.

Even so, gameplay got leaked as well, not to mention cutscenes are likely amongst the last things they finished. They take up a lot of money and resources.

 

[Darkdragon96]

I'm not flexing, I just don't understand how from many good options and couple bad they've managed to come up with one so terrible. Gives me DMC reboot flashbacks, to be quite honest.

I never felt burned by the reboot as many fans themselves. I guess also due to the DMC franschise being sort of "ok" with with its only bad games being DMC4 & 2 while 3, 1, and 5 were good at least for DMC. As much as I enjoyed the series it always felt like it was something that extended past what it could do with Dante.

 

[BrunoMattei]

So, fat chance of the game being delayed and they do a complete rework?

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

So, fat chance of the game being delayed and they do a complete rework?

Considering that delaying the game indefinitely most likely caused these leaks, it'd be in ND's best interest not to start over. Not only would they have wasted a metric shitload of money, but I'm pretty sure the employees would riot at that point.

 

[YourMommasBackstory]

So, fat chance of the game being delayed and they do a complete rework?

They announced it’ll be released in June.
No way they’ll be able to rework anything, even if they’ll crunch their staff to death.
Month or two before release are enough for final testing, bug fixes and minor changes, not for making a new script, new voice overs and cutscenes.