Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[Muttnik]

SRS surgeon Marci Bowers talks about the surgical technique he used on Jazz (peritoneal pull-through) and literally says, quote, "it's gimmicky":

So he basically destroyed a child's genitals for the sake of carrying out a surgical technique that he himself admits is just "a gimmick". Unbelievable.

I hope that, decades from now when people look back at the trans fad and see it for the life-destroying era that it was, they'll look at the inevitable documentary about Jazz following his death and point the fingers at the ones who deserve it--Jazz's parents and this fucking heartless goblin. All that time and money wasted, all that surgery for a gimmick that was not guaranteed to work. Fuck these monsters.

Also, more lolz from Noelle's tumblr.

I keep laughing how he only has 1 note for every one of his rants.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

I've wondered before why so many people who are allegedly anti-capitalist are also pro-troon and pro-hooker.

The troon lifestyle is expensive. Makeup, wigs, clothes, sex toys... surgeries paid for out of pocket.

I occasionally muse about how a troon could be a true and honest woman in a society where people live on two dollars a day. My guess is it would look at awful lot like the Hijra: abject poverty punctuated by selling your ass for fifty cents a few times a week.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

SRS surgeon Marci Bowers talks about the surgical technique he used on Jazz (peritoneal pull-through) and literally says, quote, "it's gimmicky":

So he basically destroyed a child's genitals for the sake of carrying out a surgical technique that he himself admits is just "a gimmick". Unbelievable.

He is a cold-hearted, sadistic monster just like his buddy dr. Ting. Genital butchers aren't trustworthy.

 

[Aviva's Biotech-Breakdown]

I really, really hope he never discovers this thread. I definitely think him googling himself out of curiosity and stumbling upon this forum would actually dump reality on him like an ice cold bucket of water and make him completely suicidal.

 

[Tumbo]

But he's happy his vagina fell apart.
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"Rare Complication" NOT

 

[corryvreckan]

SRS surgeon Marci Bowers talks about the surgical technique he used on Jazz (peritoneal pull-through) and literally says, quote, "it's gimmicky":

So he basically destroyed a child's genitals for the sake of carrying out a surgical technique that he himself admits is just "a gimmick". Unbelievable.

The penile skin is not “cell-wise exactly the same“ as the vagina, how the fuck does he get away with saying this shit.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

The penile skin is not “cell-wise exactly the same“ as the vagina, how the fuck does he get away with saying this shit.

The same way he gets away with child genital butchering.

 

[Overly Serious]

I really, really hope he never discovers this thread. I definitely think him googling himself out of curiosity and stumbling upon this forum would actually dump reality on him like an ice cold bucket of water and make him completely suicidal.

I honestly don't know. On the one hand the general tone of this thread is one of pity and nobody hates him. People would like to see him escape and be happy. But on the other hand it would be incredibly difficult to read your intimate details discussed like this. Then again, the poor kid is used to that because they're the subject of a national television program fostered by his mother already.

Maybe it would crush him. Maybe it would help to have a link to people outside his own world who weren't reinforcing that worldview. But it would take a lot of courage to realize you'd made a mistake or accept that your parents don't have your best interests at heart. I mean that - a real actual huge amount of courage. Because imagine what accepting those things would mean. I hope he finds happiness one day, I really do.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

I really, really hope he never discovers this thread. I definitely think him googling himself out of curiosity and stumbling upon this forum would actually dump reality on him like an ice cold bucket of water and make him completely suicidal.

It's harder to break lifelong programming than that. Just look at what cult deprogramming entails, or even y'know fucking gay conversion camps.

 

[sperginity]

It's harder to break lifelong programming than that. Just look at what cult deprogramming entails, or even y'know fucking gay conversion camps.

plus those deprogramming efforts tend to be put to work on people who posses an adult level of reasoning, I am unsure if jazz can get to that point since his brain was stunted by drugs before puberty. He might end up with the level of insight that tammy slaton has, since she was mentally stunted around a similar age by virtue of being exceptional.

 

[Positron]

The penile skin is not “cell-wise exactly the same“ as the vagina, how the fuck does he get away with saying this shit.

Shit like this will fail you in pre-med, maybe he's an affirmative-action doctor?
At what age did Bowers troon out?

I occasionally muse about how a troon could be a true and honest woman in a society where people live on two dollars a day. My guess is it would look at awful lot like the Hijra: abject poverty punctuated by selling your ass for fifty cents a few times a week.

There won't be troons at all in such society. If you have to constantly worry about your livihood, navel-gazing ruminations such as "am I living an authentic life?" simply do not arise.
Trannyism is a symptom of Late Capitalism, where choice is sold as commodity.

 

[Donovan the Man]

Shit like this will fail you in pre-med, maybe he's an affirmative-action doctor?
At what age did Bowers troon out?

Trooning was his mid life crisis.

 

[corryvreckan]

Shit like this will fail you in pre-med, maybe he's an affirmative-action doctor?
At what age did Bowers troon out?


There won't be troons at all in such society. If you have to constantly worry about your livihood, navel-gazing ruminations such as "am I living an authentic life?" simply do not arise.
Trannyism is a symptom of Late Capitalism, where choice is sold as commodity.

Trooning was his mid life crisis.

Yes definitely too old for Troon card affirmative action. I think the thing with Bowers is that he has the typical surgeon thing of a massively inflated ego and minor god complex, and that along with the narcissism inherent in AGP makes him think of himself as some kind of pioneering genius. He’s going to be the one to perfect the creation of ‘female genitalia’ on male bodies. He’s envisioning fame and accolades and endless praise. He completely believes in himself and what he believes to be true even when he’s demonstrably wrong. I don’t think he’s a sadist, getting pleasure from mutilating these kids- it’s not that he enjoys the pain and misery he’s inflicting, bur rather he simply doesn’t care. Their experience is of no importance to him, they’re just failed experiments that he’s learning from. I really take issue with the whole idea of psychopathy but anyway I don’t think this blend of characteristics: narcissism, low empathy, grandiose delusions, poor self-esteem are that unusual or always result in horrors- what really bothers me is that he’s just getting away with it. People are just so endlessly disappointing- don’t take your kid to this creepy cross-dresser to be mutilated! How hard could that be! Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

In case Jazz reads this thread, I don't hate you, kid. Your parents are lying to you, there is nothing wrong with being a boy who is into girly stuff. There was never a need to get surgery. Live your life for you and you alone.

I've wondered before why so many people who are allegedly anti-capitalist are also pro-troon and pro-hooker.

The troon lifestyle is expensive. Makeup, wigs, clothes, sex toys... surgeries paid for out of pocket.

Socialists expect the state will provide them with enough money to have all they want and consider that wigs and clothes to "express" themselves is a basic need that you're entitled to obtain by the rich's tax money because otherwise, you're gonna kill yourself.

 

[Muttnik]

In case Jazz reads this thread, I don't hate you, kid. Your parents are lying to you, there is nothing wrong with being a boy who is into girly stuff. There was never a need to get surgery. Live your life for you and you alone.

That goes double for me. Try to be happy, Jazz. Even if it's hard. Once you wise up to the situation, sue Bowers and your parents for every last cent they have.

 

[Mako_Spark]

That goes double for me. Try to be happy, Jazz. Even if it's hard. Once you wise up to the situation, sue Bowers and your parents for every last cent they have.

Triple for me. Jazz, you were way too young for anyone to declare you unequivocally 'trans' when they did, and even though I believe your parents have made a lot of misguided decisions for you, I do believe they truly love you and that they believed (with the supposed 'experts' like Bowers and Ting encouraging them) that they were doing all the right things for you - and that's only going to make things harder if one day you want to hold them to account for the pain and suffering you've been through as a result of their 'good intentions'. But while the blockers and SRS (and the meds you'll still be taking for the rest of your life) are the kind of thing you may eventually be able to sue over, your parent's equally misguided decision to make your life so public (and basically put this immense pressure on you - a literal child - to be "the role model for trans kids everywhere") was just as harmful and potentially damaging long-term IMHO but it's much less clear how you could prove damages from that (in a court of law). Yet taken together, both decisions have made it literally impossible for you to ever have a 'normal' body again, and pretty much impossible for you to ever have a 'normal' life. You must feel unbelievable pressure to push any doubts you have away because you do clearly care about the 'trans community,' and I'm sure you know very well that there's very little space in that community for trans people who admit doubts, or regrets, or choose to detrans... I hope as you get older, you will either enjoy a private life somewhere without a TV crew in sight, or you'll use your platform to help educate other kids that transitioning is not always a bed of roses.

The good news is, you don't have to have a 'normal' life to have a happy one - and you're an adult now, so you (mostly - again, you'll be on meds your whole life, but so are many of us with chronic health conditions; the shame is that yours was 100% preventable) get to decide how you live from here. And I really do believe you could have a happy life ahead of you... but I think that will depend on interests and skills you either have or develop that don't revolve around being transgender. If 'being transgender' continues to be basically the only thing you have in your life/your entire identity, I worry happiness will always be just out of reach.

I'm a mother. My son is a very sensitive kid, he's not really into rough-and-tumble anything and he has as many girl friends as boy friends, and I know that at least one of my aunties (the only religious one, who I avoid like the plague, because like many god-botherers she's about as un-Christian as you can be) gossips that my 'sensitive' boy = gay. He's in second grade! And sure, he could be gay (I don't think he is, but it wouldn't shock or horrify me if he was) but it's all a moot point anyway because again, he's only just turned 8. Now, in preschool he had a different girlfriend or boyfriend every week, and some moms commented on that as if it was proof my three-year-old was bisexual - I just answered "he's three. He thinks 'boyfriend' or 'girlfriend' means 'my favourite person right now,' and I don't see any harm being done... well, except for adults sexualising my three-year-old's friendships, of course." It wasn't long before he stopped having 'boyfriends' completely... and I honestly don't know if that was because someone told him that boys don't have boyfriends, or if his rapidly evolving language skills just meant he realised that wasn't the right word. I hope it was the latter, because I'd have no problem with my son (once he's actually old enough to date, of course!) having a boyfriend - although he still has plenty of crushes (all on girls), so at this point it seems like I did the right thing not making any fuss at all about his preschool 'boyfriends.'

That said, while I've always said my son can grow up and marry whoever he wants (because in both his countries, he can, and he has many friends with two moms or two dads, so there's been no need for me to 'push' this idea on him at all, it's already what he sees in his everyday life) I have absolutely no time for the regressive, stereotypical bullshit people use today to diagnose kids as 'transgender.' My son has come to me a few times over the years saying "so-and-so said I can't like this book/game/movie, it's for girls' and I say 'well that's just silly, because you're a boy, so whatever you like is obviously something boys can like... and you know the truth about 'boy things' and 'girl things' anyway' (We lived between two - well three, actually - countries pre-coronavirus, and I took every opportunity to show my son that the "rules" about boy things and girl things are different everywhere, different across time, and are basically anything but set-in-stone 'rules'.) It also helps that I'm a grown-up tomboy who doesn't like many 'girly' things at all, yet I'm very proud to be a woman and I'm utterly devoted as a mom... Jazz, I've seen that picture of your 'happiest birthday' (5?) when you were allowed to wear a girl's swimsuit so many times... and it's all metallic and multicoloured... I'd bet half the boys in my son's class would also love to wear that swimsuit because it's shiny and fun, not because they're secretly trans. You deserved parents who could tell the difference... or who maybe thought "well, the twins are obviously so tight, it's only natural Jazz would look to Ari for that kind of sibling bond, and so his interest is probably mostly in simply having someone to play with, not mostly in playing with Ari's "girl things" (I have an older and younger brother, we're all long since adults now, and my little brother has followed me in almost everything I've done since he was tiny... not because he is or wants to be a girl, but because I was way more interested in the new baby than my older brother and had a ton of time and patience for him that my big brother didn't... it's actually very common for older sisters to be like 'little moms' to new babies in a family while older brothers think "great, an annoying, crying, stinky, attention-drain.")

 

[corryvreckan]

Triple for me. Jazz, you were way too young for anyone to declare you unequivocally 'trans' when they did, and even though I believe your parents have made a lot of misguided decisions for you, I do believe they truly love you and that they believed (with the supposed 'experts' like Bowers and Ting encouraging them) that they were doing all the right things for you - and that's only going to make things harder if one day you want to hold them to account for the pain and suffering you've been through as a result of their 'good intentions'. But while the blockers and SRS (and the meds you'll still be taking for the rest of your life) are the kind of thing you may eventually be able to sue over, your parent's equally misguided decision to make your life so public (and basically put this immense pressure on you - a literal child - to be "the role model for trans kids everywhere") was just as harmful and potentially damaging long-term IMHO but it's much less clear how you could prove damages from that (in a court of law). Yet taken together, both decisions have made it literally impossible for you to ever have a 'normal' body again, and pretty much impossible for you to ever have a 'normal' life. You must feel unbelievable pressure to push any doubts you have away because you do clearly care about the 'trans community,' and I'm sure you know very well that there's very little space in that community for trans people who admit doubts, or regrets, or choose to detrans... I hope as you get older, you will either enjoy a private life somewhere without a TV crew in sight, or you'll use your platform to help educate other kids that transitioning is not always a bed of roses.

The good news is, you don't have to have a 'normal' life to have a happy one - and you're an adult now, so you (mostly - again, you'll be on meds your whole life, but so are many of us with chronic health conditions; the shame is that yours was 100% preventable) get to decide how you live from here. And I really do believe you could have a happy life ahead of you... but I think that will depend on interests and skills you either have or develop that don't revolve around being transgender. If 'being transgender' continues to be basically the only thing you have in your life/your entire identity, I worry happiness will always be just out of reach.

I'm a mother. My son is a very sensitive kid, he's not really into rough-and-tumble anything and he has as many girl friends as boy friends, and I know that at least one of my aunties (the only religious one, who I avoid like the plague, because like many god-botherers she's about as un-Christian as you can be) gossips that my 'sensitive' boy = gay. He's in second grade! And sure, he could be gay (I don't think he is, but it wouldn't shock or horrify me if he was) but it's all a moot point anyway because again, he's only just turned 8. Now, in preschool he had a different girlfriend or boyfriend every week, and some moms commented on that as if it was proof my three-year-old was bisexual - I just answered "he's three. He thinks 'boyfriend' or 'girlfriend' means 'my favourite person right now,' and I don't see any harm being done... well, except for adults sexualising my three-year-old's friendships, of course." It wasn't long before he stopped having 'boyfriends' completely... and I honestly don't know if that was because someone told him that boys don't have boyfriends, or if his rapidly evolving language skills just meant he realised that wasn't the right word. I hope it was the latter, because I'd have no problem with my son (once he's actually old enough to date, of course!) having a boyfriend - although he still has plenty of crushes (all on girls), so at this point it seems like I did the right thing not making any fuss at all about his preschool 'boyfriends.'

That said, while I've always said my son can grow up and marry whoever he wants (because in both his countries, he can, and he has many friends with two moms or two dads, so there's been no need for me to 'push' this idea on him at all, it's already what he sees in his everyday life) I have absolutely no time for the regressive, stereotypical bullshit people use today to diagnose kids as 'transgender.' My son has come to me a few times over the years saying "so-and-so said I can't like this book/game/movie, it's for girls' and I say 'well that's just silly, because you're a boy, so whatever you like is obviously something boys can like... and you know the truth about 'boy things' and 'girl things' anyway' (We lived between two - well three, actually - countries pre-coronavirus, and I took every opportunity to show my son that the "rules" about boy things and girl things are different everywhere, different across time, and are basically anything but set-in-stone 'rules'.) It also helps that I'm a grown-up tomboy who doesn't like many 'girly' things at all, yet I'm very proud to be a woman and I'm utterly devoted as a mom... Jazz, I've seen that picture of your 'happiest birthday' (5?) when you were allowed to wear a girl's swimsuit so many times... and it's all metallic and multicoloured... I'd bet half the boys in my son's class would also love to wear that swimsuit because it's shiny and fun, not because they're secretly trans. You deserved parents who could tell the difference... or who maybe thought "well, the twins are obviously so tight, it's only natural Jazz would look to Ari for that kind of sibling bond, and so his interest is probably mostly in simply having someone to play with, not mostly in playing with Ari's "girl things" (I have an older and younger brother, we're all long since adults now, and my little brother has followed me in almost everything I've done since he was tiny... not because he is or wants to be a girl, but because I was way more interested in the new baby than my older brother and had a ton of time and patience for him that my big brother didn't... it's actually very common for older sisters to be like 'little moms' to new babies in a family while older brothers think "great, an annoying, crying, stinky, attention-drain.")

I do not believe Jan has good intentions and is just misguided, she’s mental. Maybe it started as some kind of post-partum psychosis, we don’t know the intricacies of her mind, other people here have speculated on the reasons this child had to be the ‘special’ one. Whatever it is, she’s sick and abusive. And fair enough if you want to give her a pass for reasons of broken brain. But there are many other fully-functioning adults here who did nothing to stop it. What kind of dad sits back and lets the mother of his kids abuse them? What kind of grandparents step back and let their kids abuse their grandchildren? They are the people we talk about in the cliche of ‘seeing evil being done and doing nothing’. Every single adult in this situation has failed jazz. For no good reason. Nothing useful is going to come of this. It’s going to make no mark on human history. It’s some reality TV fodder that will be forgotten. Jazz’s suffering is for no reason. It’s all just pointless, crude, incoherent suffering. There’s no need to reason your way into meaning here, it’s idiotic callous cowardly people being aimlessly destructive. I mean, maybe they think this social cause is important, but obviously it’s not- they’re like some primitive cult we’ll all forget about but for a footnote. I think I said somewhere earlier about laughing about this but its really not funny is it. I’m struggling to find any humour at all here any more it’s just fucking depressing. Going to shut up and lurk and let the funny kiwis provide commentary now

 

[Pitere pit]

The penile skin is not “cell-wise exactly the same“ as the vagina, how the fuck does he get away with saying this shit.

I wonder where this butchers get their licenses. Penises have a unique system of their own, you can't recreate the corpora carvenosa nor the nerves and veins that sustain this penis alive. Vaginas aren't a hole to put a dick into it, is a canal connected to the uterus, with their own ligaments, glands, veins and nerves. Is like calling carving a piece of meat from the abs and calling a heart, is ridiculous. A man is not suited for a vagina, the same for a woman.
And what is this surgeon going to tell when a distressed crying Jaron comes to his office telling him to put his penis back? If he doesn't join the 41% of course. Let me butcher your arm and form an skin-sausage?

 

[Donovan the Man]

Yes definitely too old for Troon card affirmative action. I think the thing with Bowers is that he has the typical surgeon thing of a massively inflated ego and minor god complex, and that along with the narcissism inherent in AGP makes him think of himself as some kind of pioneering genius. He’s going to be the one to perfect the creation of ‘female genitalia’ on male bodies. He’s envisioning fame and accolades and endless praise. He completely believes in himself and what he believes to be true even when he’s demonstrably wrong. I don’t think he’s a sadist, getting pleasure from mutilating these kids- it’s not that he enjoys the pain and misery he’s inflicting, bur rather he simply doesn’t care. Their experience is of no importance to him, they’re just failed experiments that he’s learning from. I really take issue with the whole idea of psychopathy but anyway I don’t think this blend of characteristics: narcissism, low empathy, grandiose delusions, poor self-esteem are that unusual or always result in horrors- what really bothers me is that he’s just getting away with it. People are just so endlessly disappointing- don’t take your kid to this creepy cross-dresser to be mutilated! How hard could that be! Jesus fucking Christ.

There is not a single dick butcherer that isn’t sociopathic. The history of these surgeries paint a clear picture.

I wonder where this butchers get their licenses. Penises have a unique system of their own, you can't recreate the corpora carvenosa nor the nerves and veins that sustain this penis alive. Vaginas aren't a hole to put a dick into it, is a canal connected to the uterus, with their own ligaments, glands, veins and nerves. Is like calling carving a piece of meat from the abs and calling a heart, is ridiculous. A man is not suited for a vagina, the same for a woman.
And what is this surgeon going to tell when a distressed crying Jaron comes to his office telling him to put his penis back? If he doesn't join the 41% of course. Let me butcher your arm and form an skin-sausage?

Browers is an OB-GYN and practiced as one for 20 years before making dick butchery his calling in life.

 

[corryvreckan]

I wonder where this butchers get their licenses. Penises have a unique system of their own, you can't recreate the corpora carvenosa nor the nerves and veins that sustain this penis alive. Vaginas aren't a hole to put a dick into it, is a canal connected to the uterus, with their own ligaments, glands, veins and nerves. Is like calling carving a piece of meat from the abs and calling a heart, is ridiculous. A man is not suited for a vagina, the same for a woman.
And what is this surgeon going to tell when a distressed crying Jaron comes to his office telling him to put his penis back? If he doesn't join the 41% of course. Let me butcher your arm and form an skin-sausage?

Literally just said i was going to shut up but cant help myself. Cus something i want to add to this ^ is that the vagina is a “potential space”: the walls close together when it’s not ‘occupied’, it’s not a cavity. What they create is a cavity. And yes that doesn’t have all the connections that female anatomy does, the nerves and blood vessels. It’s essentially like a piercing, a flesh tunnel. It really confirms their view of a vagina being a hole to fuck, which is a hilarious thought when you consider the libfems who rally this cause.

There is not a single dick butcherer that isn’t sociopathic. The history of these surgeries paint a clear picture.


Browers is an OB-GYN and practiced as one for 20 years before making dick butchery his calling in life.

Eh, agree with the sentiment, but I think ‘sociopath’ is a cop-out, but i wont shit up the thread even more.