Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

Lily now gets an hour twice a day off the vent.

When I heard ventilator I imagined an ICU bed, but hers is portable.

I don’t know how to feel about Lily. She’s not a potato. She just started walking independently (she’s 19 months, but really more like 15 because she was born at 24 weeks, so this is developmentally normal), she can put food in her mouth and chew (although she can’t swallow yet), she can toss a ball...That’s miles beyond a Kayli. If she’s intellectually normal, then I do feel like this is worth it. I know the experiences of babyhood can affect someone lifelong even if they don’t remember, and that she’ll continue to need lots of therapies, but if those therapies don’t involve her being in immense pain then I think future adult Lily will be happy her parents fought for her. Even if she’s moderately intellectually disabled, again, still not a tater. Hard to say what’s correct.

Even with intellectual disabilities, if the parents get her started with speech, physical, and occupational therapy early on, it will be a big help. Just looking at her pictures, I can see an actual little human not just a brainless lump.
 
I kinda wonder if people like Gwen and Kelly would've been able to handle their kids not being total potatoes actually. As in, even if they're disabled still sentient and aware enough to tell them to fuck off when their psycho moms try to put them in costumes and shit. Would they just ignore them like they do with their existing non-potato kids? Or would they be insane horrorshow mommy dearest types?
 
Power Level: I have a kid at the hospital Tinslee is at. They've kept her hidden away in a wing that isn't accessible without certain wristbands. Local chatter on the boards has been silent, but she was due with another baby to be born maybe 14 months after Tinslee, and we were all figuring she'd lose a lot of her fight with another baby to take care of. Like most of these cases, she's in deep denial, but sleazy lawyers hopped right on her case.
I have a kid that’s 11, but about the level of a 4-6 month old. She def has some awareness, like a baby does. I don’t think she has any concept of “mom” or “dad” but she’ll smile if she hears our voices. She likes music, she likes squeaky toys, she claps when she’s happy. BUT, she’s non verbal, non mobile, can’t even sit independently, will never be out of diapers, and has all the medical problems you can imagine. She’s been on a feeding tube since she was one, and just today got a trach put in. That killed me. I really was hoping we could avoid it, because that was one of the last vestiges of normalcy we had.
That Kid Speaking video above- I think what that is, because we’re just now learning about this stuff, is a “speaking valve” and the kid might just now be learning to use it. If the kid is fairly successful on the trach, doesn’t need a ventilator, they can get a cap put on it, that ‘s a sort of one way valve. Since the trach is below the larynx, if you breathe in AND out of it, you won’t have air go over the vocal cords. This valve lets the kid breathe IN through it, and then closes, so they breathe OUT through their mouth, passing the air over the vocal cords, allowing them to speak. I hope we can use that, because one of the things that kills me the most about the trach is that it’s robbing her of her voice, and she does have very expressive squawks that show happiness, and even boredom we think.
Hair- Sometimes it’s just easier to keep it short. Some kids pull it, or eat it, leading to bowel impactions, my kid, I’d come in in the morning and find it wrapped so tight around her finger, it’d be purple. So we keep it in a short pixie. Which is a shame, because she has the thickest prettiest hair in the family.
Teeth- Lots of disorders have smaller than normal jaws. This leads to a lot of overcrowding of teeth. Baby teeth that looked sort of normal become a jumbled mess with adult teeth. No one is going to do orthodontia on a special needs kid. It’s expensive, and they won’t understand why they’re being put through yet another painful thing for just cosmetic reasons. Sometimes they get broken too, due to grinding, or chewing too hard on something. My kid actually has extra teeth (extra bones too, extra vertebra, extra pair of ribs, and two tiny patellas on one knee.) As someone else mentioned, the act of eating, and saliva also protect the teeth more than you’d expect.
Disney/Make a Wish- First off, I think, not sure, that Give Kids the World isn’t a wish granting org, it’s the resort/hotel that you stay at in Orlando if your wish is there. It’s a really kid themed hotel, but has all the medical resources on hand you could ever need. They work really closely with Disney, to the point that characters will visit. We just started the Make a Wish process, and we’re going to be a total cliche and do Disney/Universal. I felt like a total charlatan at first, but I have a friend who works for them, and she said to go ahead and apply, because it’s just as much about providing a fun experience for the family and siblings as it is for the Wish kid. To the point that when they begin the process, they ask about the interests of your other kids, so they can bring something for them. We’re going to do that, because I have a young teen who’s totally into Harry Potter at Universal, and is dying to see the Star Wars thing at Disney, and a younger one who’s still totally into Disney. The middle one will be happy with the music and parades and stuff. It seemed like a wish that would work for everyone.
That reddit thread that someone posted several pages back- If it was real, and I have my doubts, that was so sad. If real, I have absolutely no judgement of that mom, but she SHOULD have more help. If her kid is on a vent she should have home health. We have nurses that come every day for 12 hours, and most nights. It has been what has saved our life. We can do normal things with our other two kids, go out for date nights, sleep without worrying about our kid dying in the night. Someone really failed her by not helping her get the aid she needed.
Special schools- Where do you guys live that there are special schools? In our district, each campus has a one program. One for the high functioning, your Down Syndrome, high functioning autistics. One for violent behaviors, one for “life skills”, usually people functioning at a say 4-5 year level, making sure they can write name, address, brush teeth, put on deodorant. And medically fragile life skills, the “potatoes” She’s only in mainstream classes for PE, and maybe library? In PE, there’s an elective where kids can volunteer to be aides to the kids. I figured it’d be punishment, but apparently they have to write an essay and show exemplary behavior to be in it. Other than that, they’re in their special classroom. Why we bother? They have all those ri-goddamn-diculous expensive adapted toys and therapy things that we would never be able to afford at home.
And finally, people don’t realize this, but surprises still happen. Lots of people think that with modern science, and blood tests, and sonograms, and pre natal vitamins, every birth defect is known ahead of time. There are TONS of unknown syndromes still. My kid is in a program called the Undiagnosed Disease Network to try to find another kid with a similar phenotype so they can compare their genomes. She’s had a full genome workup, and nothing has hit, so they think she must have a single gene mutation of an unknown gene. The shit of this is, there’s an assumption that since you must have known, you have chosen this life, and are probably anti-abortion. That couldn’t be farther from the truth for us. I have no shame in saying that if I knew, I would have aborted my kid. She isn’t in pain all the time, but her life isn’t great, and she probably won’t be around that long. We will do all we can to keep her healthy, comfortable, and happy, but I wouldn’t have chosen this. It’s like having a very high maintenance pet. When she dies, I will be sad, but have been prepared for it for years.
 
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Power Level: I have a kid at the hospital Tinslee is at. They've kept her hidden away in a wing that isn't accessible without certain wristbands. Local chatter on the boards has been silent, but she was due with another baby to be born maybe 14 months after Tinslee, and we were all figuring she'd lose a lot of her fight with another baby to take care of. Like most of these cases, she's in deep denial, but sleazy lawyers hopped right on her case.
I have a kid that’s 11, but about the level of a 4-6 month old. She def has some awareness, like a baby does. I don’t think she has any concept of “mom” or “dad” but she’ll smile if she hears our voices. She likes music, she likes squeaky toys, she claps when she’s happy. BUT, she’s non verbal, non mobile, can’t even sit independently, will never be out of diapers, and has all the medical problems you can imagine. She’s been on a feeding tube since she was one, and just today got a trach put in. That killed me. I really was hoping we could avoid it, because that was one of the last vestiges of normalcy we had.
That Kid Speaking video above- I think what that is, because we’re just now learning about this stuff, is a “speaking valve” and the kid might just now be learning to use it. If the kid is fairly successful on the trach, doesn’t need a ventilator, they can get a cap put on it, that ‘s a sort of one way valve. Since the trach is below the larynx, if you breathe in AND out of it, you won’t have air go over the vocal cords. This valve lets the kid breathe IN through it, and then closes, so they breathe OUT through their mouth, passing the air over the vocal cords, allowing them to speak. I hope we can use that, because one of the things that kills me the most about the trach is that it’s robbing her of her voice, and she does have very expressive squawks that show happiness, and even boredom we think.
Hair- Sometimes it’s just easier to keep it short. Some kids pull it, or eat it, leading to bowel impactions, my kid, I’d come in in the morning and find it wrapped so tight around her finger, it’d be purple. So we keep it in a short pixie. Which is a shame, because she has the thickest prettiest hair in the family.
Teeth- Lots of disorders have smaller than normal jaws. This leads to a lot of overcrowding of teeth. Baby teeth that looked sort of normal become a jumbled mess with adult teeth. No one is going to do orthodontia on a special needs kid. It’s expensive, and they won’t understand why they’re being put through yet another painful thing for just cosmetic reasons. Sometimes they get broken too, due to grinding, or chewing too hard on something. My kid actually has extra teeth (extra bones too, extra vertebra, extra pair of ribs, and two tiny patellas on one knee.) As someone else mentioned, the act of eating, and saliva also protect the teeth more than you’d expect.
Disney/Make a Wish- First off, I think, not sure, that Give Kids the World isn’t a wish granting org, it’s the resort/hotel that you stay at in Orlando if your wish is there. It’s a really kid themed hotel, but has all the medical resources on hand you could ever need. They work really closely with Disney, to the point that characters will visit. We just started the Make a Wish process, and we’re going to be a total cliche and do Disney/Universal. I felt like a total charlatan at first, but I have a friend who works for them, and she said to go ahead and apply, because it’s just as much about providing a fun experience for the family and siblings as it is for the Wish kid. To the point that when they begin the process, they ask about the interests of your other kids, so they can bring something for them. We’re going to do that, because I have a young teen who’s totally into Harry Potter at Universal, and is dying to see the Star Wars thing at Disney, and a younger one who’s still totally into Disney. The middle one will be happy with the music and parades and stuff. It seemed like a wish that would work for everyone.
That reddit thread that someone posted several pages back- If it was real, and I have my doubts, that was so sad. If real, I have absolutely no judgement of that mom, but she SHOULD have more help. If her kid is on a vent she should have home health. We have nurses that come every day for 12 hours, and most nights. It has been what has saved our life. We can do normal things with our other two kids, go out for date nights, sleep without worrying about our kid dying in the night. Someone really failed her by not helping her get the aid she needed.
Special schools- Where do you guys live that there are special schools? In our district, each campus has a one program. One for the high functioning, your Down Syndrome, high functioning autistics. One for violent behaviors, one for “life skills”, usually people functioning at a say 4-5 year level, making sure they can write name, address, brush teeth, put on deodorant. And medically fragile life skills, the “potatoes” She’s only in mainstream classes for PE, and maybe library? In PE, there’s an elective where kids can volunteer to be aides to the kids. I figured it’d be punishment, but apparently they have to write an essay and show exemplary behavior to be in it. Other than that, they’re in their special classroom. Why we bother? They have all those ri-goddamn-diculous expensive adapted toys and therapy things that we would never be able to afford at home.
And finally, people don’t realize this, but surprises still happen. Lots of people think that with modern science, and blood tests, and sonograms, and pre natal vitamins, every birth defect is known ahead of time. There are TONS of unknown syndromes still. My kid is in a program called the Undiagnosed Disease Network to try to find another kid with a similar phenotype so they can compare their genomes. She’s had a full genome workup, and nothing has hit, so they think she must have a single gene mutation of an unknown gene. The shit of this is, there’s an assumption that since you must have known, you have chosen this life, and are probably anti-abortion. That couldn’t be farther from the truth for us. I have no shame in saying that if I knew, I would have aborted my kid. She isn’t in pain all the time, but her life isn’t great, and she probably won’t be around that long. We will do all we can to keep her healthy, comfortable, and happy, but I wouldn’t have chosen this. It’s like having a very high maintenance pet. When she dies, I will be sad, but have been prepared for it for years.

Bruh, we know plenty of things dont show on ultrasound, and at that point you gotta just make the best of things (I.e. lissencephaly does not show up).

Its those that know they have something very serious like trisomy 18 and then still carry to term that piss ya off.

I live in the middle of nowhere in a small city. One school pretty much is half and half where one entire half is a special needs program. Same with one high school where an entire large section is. Both using multiple classrooms and facilities. Other than those two, the rest of the programs in the city are 99% shitshows. I think plenty of schools start to specialize for the moolah.
 
To be honest I can even understand why people would carry a severely disabled child to term. Sometimes aborting is the ethical choice, but I can totally understand why you could not bring yourself to do it, and why you would have hope that maybe the doctors are wrong and things will be different for your child. Or maybe you just want to let nature run its course, place a DNR and "say goodbye" to get some closure after birth, but then the kid pulls through and ends up surviving for years somehow. Shit happens.

What pisses me off is delusional parents who exploit their severely disabled kids on the internet and maybe even claim that what their kids are going through is something wonderful and holy. If you have 2 hours to spare, go ahead and read through Kelly's entire blog. It's a wild ride. She thinks that the fact that Kayli is about as close to being dead without actually dying is something wonderful because it makes her holier and more special than other kids. She's overjoyed that other kids her age might argue with her parents but Kayli cannot and will never be able to. She claims she has spiritual powers and can visit others in their dreams and shit. She's arguing with every healthcare or medical professional she meets because she thinks she knows better than anyone else, and is always trying to one-up or prove others wrong, especially doctors. Her kid was anoxic for 32 minutes and she's excited about that because it's a "miracle" and might be the longest time anyone had ever been "dead". She thinks she is entitled to worship because her kid is disabled, begs strangers to send "her daughter" (i.e. her) birthday cards, and even uploaded a wishlist full of "birthday gifts" she actually expected strangers to buy for her. She wrote a guide about how to approach/worship her correctly if you see her in public. Having been dealt a shitty hand and dealing with it to the best of your ability is one thing, but this is just psychotic.

Kayli's entire body is fucked. She was born with a massive hole in her heart, has pretty much no purposeful movement, can't do anything, is almost deaf, has severe scoliosis, suffers from seizures, was born with two dislocated hips, has club feet that were operated on at least twice without success, has issues with her colon, and her teeth's roots died off while she was anoxic and a tooth randomly fell out, which she could have choked on but her mom thought it was great because normal kids also lose their baby teeth and it was such a special moment. She almost dies like every two weeks. And her mom thinks this is great and her daughter is "enjoying life". Bitch would YOU enjoy any of this?
 
Power Level: I have a kid at the hospital Tinslee is at. They've kept her hidden away in a wing that isn't accessible without certain wristbands. Local chatter on the boards has been silent, but she was due with another baby to be born maybe 14 months after Tinslee, and we were all figuring she'd lose a lot of her fight with another baby to take care of. Like most of these cases, she's in deep denial, but sleazy lawyers hopped right on her case.
I have a kid that’s 11, but about the level of a 4-6 month old. She def has some awareness, like a baby does. I don’t think she has any concept of “mom” or “dad” but she’ll smile if she hears our voices. She likes music, she likes squeaky toys, she claps when she’s happy. BUT, she’s non verbal, non mobile, can’t even sit independently, will never be out of diapers, and has all the medical problems you can imagine. She’s been on a feeding tube since she was one, and just today got a trach put in. That killed me. I really was hoping we could avoid it, because that was one of the last vestiges of normalcy we had.
That Kid Speaking video above- I think what that is, because we’re just now learning about this stuff, is a “speaking valve” and the kid might just now be learning to use it. If the kid is fairly successful on the trach, doesn’t need a ventilator, they can get a cap put on it, that ‘s a sort of one way valve. Since the trach is below the larynx, if you breathe in AND out of it, you won’t have air go over the vocal cords. This valve lets the kid breathe IN through it, and then closes, so they breathe OUT through their mouth, passing the air over the vocal cords, allowing them to speak. I hope we can use that, because one of the things that kills me the most about the trach is that it’s robbing her of her voice, and she does have very expressive squawks that show happiness, and even boredom we think.
Hair- Sometimes it’s just easier to keep it short. Some kids pull it, or eat it, leading to bowel impactions, my kid, I’d come in in the morning and find it wrapped so tight around her finger, it’d be purple. So we keep it in a short pixie. Which is a shame, because she has the thickest prettiest hair in the family.
Teeth- Lots of disorders have smaller than normal jaws. This leads to a lot of overcrowding of teeth. Baby teeth that looked sort of normal become a jumbled mess with adult teeth. No one is going to do orthodontia on a special needs kid. It’s expensive, and they won’t understand why they’re being put through yet another painful thing for just cosmetic reasons. Sometimes they get broken too, due to grinding, or chewing too hard on something. My kid actually has extra teeth (extra bones too, extra vertebra, extra pair of ribs, and two tiny patellas on one knee.) As someone else mentioned, the act of eating, and saliva also protect the teeth more than you’d expect.
Disney/Make a Wish- First off, I think, not sure, that Give Kids the World isn’t a wish granting org, it’s the resort/hotel that you stay at in Orlando if your wish is there. It’s a really kid themed hotel, but has all the medical resources on hand you could ever need. They work really closely with Disney, to the point that characters will visit. We just started the Make a Wish process, and we’re going to be a total cliche and do Disney/Universal. I felt like a total charlatan at first, but I have a friend who works for them, and she said to go ahead and apply, because it’s just as much about providing a fun experience for the family and siblings as it is for the Wish kid. To the point that when they begin the process, they ask about the interests of your other kids, so they can bring something for them. We’re going to do that, because I have a young teen who’s totally into Harry Potter at Universal, and is dying to see the Star Wars thing at Disney, and a younger one who’s still totally into Disney. The middle one will be happy with the music and parades and stuff. It seemed like a wish that would work for everyone.
That reddit thread that someone posted several pages back- If it was real, and I have my doubts, that was so sad. If real, I have absolutely no judgement of that mom, but she SHOULD have more help. If her kid is on a vent she should have home health. We have nurses that come every day for 12 hours, and most nights. It has been what has saved our life. We can do normal things with our other two kids, go out for date nights, sleep without worrying about our kid dying in the night. Someone really failed her by not helping her get the aid she needed.
Special schools- Where do you guys live that there are special schools? In our district, each campus has a one program. One for the high functioning, your Down Syndrome, high functioning autistics. One for violent behaviors, one for “life skills”, usually people functioning at a say 4-5 year level, making sure they can write name, address, brush teeth, put on deodorant. And medically fragile life skills, the “potatoes” She’s only in mainstream classes for PE, and maybe library? In PE, there’s an elective where kids can volunteer to be aides to the kids. I figured it’d be punishment, but apparently they have to write an essay and show exemplary behavior to be in it. Other than that, they’re in their special classroom. Why we bother? They have all those ri-goddamn-diculous expensive adapted toys and therapy things that we would never be able to afford at home.
And finally, people don’t realize this, but surprises still happen. Lots of people think that with modern science, and blood tests, and sonograms, and pre natal vitamins, every birth defect is known ahead of time. There are TONS of unknown syndromes still. My kid is in a program called the Undiagnosed Disease Network to try to find another kid with a similar phenotype so they can compare their genomes. She’s had a full genome workup, and nothing has hit, so they think she must have a single gene mutation of an unknown gene. The shit of this is, there’s an assumption that since you must have known, you have chosen this life, and are probably anti-abortion. That couldn’t be farther from the truth for us. I have no shame in saying that if I knew, I would have aborted my kid. She isn’t in pain all the time, but her life isn’t great, and she probably won’t be around that long. We will do all we can to keep her healthy, comfortable, and happy, but I wouldn’t have chosen this. It’s like having a very high maintenance pet. When she dies, I will be sad, but have been prepared for it for years.

Yes, I’d like to give lectures on every post on KF that off hand assumes that every severe birth defect is detectable before birth - that is very far from the case. But it seems like some KF posters assume we live in a world where prenatal tests find everything and abortion is always an option.

While major advances in pre-natal testing has occurred there are many devastating conditions only revealed at birth or even weeks or months later.

Even something like microcephaly isn’t always detectable via ultrasound. I was extremely fearful of having children due to this reality but one must accept it and face it if you want to have a family.

I’m sorry your child and family has had to suffer, but glad you have been able to do what’s best to keep her comfortable and have a good support system. I can bitch about the people who knowingly chose to bring severely brain damaged kids into the world and take extreme interventions to keep them alive but I have all the sympathy and respect for parents who had no idea their child had anything amiss before birth and just do their best to love and care for them.

Life is not fair but how people respond to difficulties and suffering is the true measure of their humanity and inner strength. Treating a severely disabled child as a doll for online attention and praise is narcissistic, sociopathic behavior that prioritizes the ego of the mother and dismisses and objectifies a helpless child.
 
I kinda wonder if people like Gwen and Kelly would've been able to handle their kids not being total potatoes actually. As in, even if they're disabled still sentient and aware enough to tell them to fuck off when their psycho moms try to put them in costumes and shit. Would they just ignore them like they do with their existing non-potato kids? Or would they be insane horrorshow mommy dearest types?

They would flip their shit behind closed doors and eventually flip it in public for it to royally fuck 'em over in the cunts because everyone can see their true colors now. They're a pack of fucking narcissists that think that they're entitled to whatever they want without doing something to deserve it.
 
I think this sums it up completely.

My former co-worker's son that I mentioned earlier may be nonverbal, but he'll let them know if he doesn't like something.
Yeah even severely retarded people can and will let their feelings be known since they're still aware, cognizant people. With Kayli even if she has any awareness she's so fucked physically that she can't really express anything, and I bet that suits her mom just fine.

Is there a link to the post where she says she likes that Kayli can't disagree with her? Because that needs to be archived since that sounds like she's straight up admitted she's a narcissist that likes having a fleshpuppet.
 
A miracle. Straight from heaven, to the log plume at six flags.

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and a legoland ride
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The best thing I've read all day,
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Whatever Jesus said to her left her face frozen in a permanent agonized scream. Jesus must have said some eldritch shit.
Jesus held up a magic mirror that showed her the present day Kayli and told her "This will be what you look like for the rest of her life." And then her face froze mid-scream, thus fulfilling the future of her horrible life.
 
Is there a link to the post where she says she likes that Kayli can't disagree with her? Because that needs to be archived since that sounds like she's straight up admitted she's a narcissist that likes having a fleshpuppet.
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Here it is. Of course she didn't say she's glad that her kid is severely disabled, but she seems to think her relationship with her daughter is superior to that of other parents and their children because while other kids "get spanked" (for being naughty, acting up or disobeying their parents), Kayli is incapable of doing any of that and never has to be punished. That's seriously fucked up. Kids are people, they're not going to do what YOU want 100% of the time.

It's a snippet of the following blogpost:

This one is also worth a read. Huge essay written by Kelly about how awesome she is. Didn't cap it because the entire thing is worth a read:
 
Power Level: I have a kid at the hospital Tinslee is at. They've kept her hidden away in a wing that isn't accessible without certain wristbands. Local chatter on the boards has been silent, but she was due with another baby to be born maybe 14 months after Tinslee, and we were all figuring she'd lose a lot of her fight with another baby to take care of. Like most of these cases, she's in deep denial, but sleazy lawyers hopped right on her case.
I have a kid that’s 11, but about the level of a 4-6 month old. She def has some awareness, like a baby does. I don’t think she has any concept of “mom” or “dad” but she’ll smile if she hears our voices. She likes music, she likes squeaky toys, she claps when she’s happy. BUT, she’s non verbal, non mobile, can’t even sit independently, will never be out of diapers, and has all the medical problems you can imagine. She’s been on a feeding tube since she was one, and just today got a trach put in. That killed me. I really was hoping we could avoid it, because that was one of the last vestiges of normalcy we had.
That Kid Speaking video above- I think what that is, because we’re just now learning about this stuff, is a “speaking valve” and the kid might just now be learning to use it. If the kid is fairly successful on the trach, doesn’t need a ventilator, they can get a cap put on it, that ‘s a sort of one way valve. Since the trach is below the larynx, if you breathe in AND out of it, you won’t have air go over the vocal cords. This valve lets the kid breathe IN through it, and then closes, so they breathe OUT through their mouth, passing the air over the vocal cords, allowing them to speak. I hope we can use that, because one of the things that kills me the most about the trach is that it’s robbing her of her voice, and she does have very expressive squawks that show happiness, and even boredom we think.
Hair- Sometimes it’s just easier to keep it short. Some kids pull it, or eat it, leading to bowel impactions, my kid, I’d come in in the morning and find it wrapped so tight around her finger, it’d be purple. So we keep it in a short pixie. Which is a shame, because she has the thickest prettiest hair in the family.
Teeth- Lots of disorders have smaller than normal jaws. This leads to a lot of overcrowding of teeth. Baby teeth that looked sort of normal become a jumbled mess with adult teeth. No one is going to do orthodontia on a special needs kid. It’s expensive, and they won’t understand why they’re being put through yet another painful thing for just cosmetic reasons. Sometimes they get broken too, due to grinding, or chewing too hard on something. My kid actually has extra teeth (extra bones too, extra vertebra, extra pair of ribs, and two tiny patellas on one knee.) As someone else mentioned, the act of eating, and saliva also protect the teeth more than you’d expect.
Disney/Make a Wish- First off, I think, not sure, that Give Kids the World isn’t a wish granting org, it’s the resort/hotel that you stay at in Orlando if your wish is there. It’s a really kid themed hotel, but has all the medical resources on hand you could ever need. They work really closely with Disney, to the point that characters will visit. We just started the Make a Wish process, and we’re going to be a total cliche and do Disney/Universal. I felt like a total charlatan at first, but I have a friend who works for them, and she said to go ahead and apply, because it’s just as much about providing a fun experience for the family and siblings as it is for the Wish kid. To the point that when they begin the process, they ask about the interests of your other kids, so they can bring something for them. We’re going to do that, because I have a young teen who’s totally into Harry Potter at Universal, and is dying to see the Star Wars thing at Disney, and a younger one who’s still totally into Disney. The middle one will be happy with the music and parades and stuff. It seemed like a wish that would work for everyone.
That reddit thread that someone posted several pages back- If it was real, and I have my doubts, that was so sad. If real, I have absolutely no judgement of that mom, but she SHOULD have more help. If her kid is on a vent she should have home health. We have nurses that come every day for 12 hours, and most nights. It has been what has saved our life. We can do normal things with our other two kids, go out for date nights, sleep without worrying about our kid dying in the night. Someone really failed her by not helping her get the aid she needed.
Special schools- Where do you guys live that there are special schools? In our district, each campus has a one program. One for the high functioning, your Down Syndrome, high functioning autistics. One for violent behaviors, one for “life skills”, usually people functioning at a say 4-5 year level, making sure they can write name, address, brush teeth, put on deodorant. And medically fragile life skills, the “potatoes” She’s only in mainstream classes for PE, and maybe library? In PE, there’s an elective where kids can volunteer to be aides to the kids. I figured it’d be punishment, but apparently they have to write an essay and show exemplary behavior to be in it. Other than that, they’re in their special classroom. Why we bother? They have all those ri-goddamn-diculous expensive adapted toys and therapy things that we would never be able to afford at home.
And finally, people don’t realize this, but surprises still happen. Lots of people think that with modern science, and blood tests, and sonograms, and pre natal vitamins, every birth defect is known ahead of time. There are TONS of unknown syndromes still. My kid is in a program called the Undiagnosed Disease Network to try to find another kid with a similar phenotype so they can compare their genomes. She’s had a full genome workup, and nothing has hit, so they think she must have a single gene mutation of an unknown gene. The shit of this is, there’s an assumption that since you must have known, you have chosen this life, and are probably anti-abortion. That couldn’t be farther from the truth for us. I have no shame in saying that if I knew, I would have aborted my kid. She isn’t in pain all the time, but her life isn’t great, and she probably won’t be around that long. We will do all we can to keep her healthy, comfortable, and happy, but I wouldn’t have chosen this. It’s like having a very high maintenance pet. When she dies, I will be sad, but have been prepared for it for years.
Holy power level, Batman. All you really needed to say was the last part about how caring for a profoundly disabled kid is incredibly difficult, and not the sunshine and rainbows people like Kelly make it out to be.

There's a Reddit thread that's been discussed here before where parents talk about regretting having kids. A lot of the users in that thread had low-functioning disabled kids. They talk candidly about how it's not fun, or a gift from Jesus. It can destroy marriages, damage the siblings psychologically, and bankrupt families. I wish people would be more forthcoming about that aspect. People like Gwen and Kelly reinforce a culture where it's considered a taboo to admit that yeah, this situation sucks. Instead of putting these kids on pedestals, people should be thinking about how it affects the entire family.

Speaking of which, I'm not trying to be an asshole here, but why did you keep having kids after the disabled one was born? She clearly needs a lot of your time, and the more kids you have, the more your attention is divided and the less you're able to tend to her. I'm asking partially because it seems like a lot of the kids posted in this thread are middle children in big families.
 
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I've been in this thread a few times, but I don't really follow any of these people on social media. For some reason, this channel has been recommended to me multiple times a week for the past few weeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iw9LdX-A30

The baby is still a baby, so I guess it's hard to tell exactly HOW far behind she is. She clearly has some form of microcephaly. It's very sad to me. This is obviously a young and normal-seeming bourgeois couple, and their first child is profoundly disabled. That's this young lady's life GONE. At one point in the video she does "therapy" with the baby to get her to recognise colours and textures. The baby is very unresponsive and cannot even focus her eyes.

It's just tragic, and definitely makes you reconsider breeding.
 
I've been in this thread a few times, but I don't really follow any of these people on social media. For some reason, this channel has been recommended to me multiple times a week for the past few weeks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iw9LdX-A30

The baby is still a baby, so I guess it's hard to tell exactly HOW far behind she is. She clearly has some form of microcephaly. It's very sad to me. This is obviously a young and normal-seeming bourgeois couple, and their first child is profoundly disabled. That's this young lady's life GONE. At one point in the video she does "therapy" with the baby to get her to recognise colours and textures. The baby is very unresponsive and cannot even focus her eyes.

It's just tragic, and definitely makes you reconsider breeding.
oh nice a new veggie to watch! yeah that channel looks like a fun train wreck to keep up with.

has anyone seen the ansley is fancy??? that mom is quite the hambeast like gwen. the kid has microcephaly and liccensephaly and cerebral palsy and suffers from seizures almost constantly, bites her own hand which triggers seizures and is very much a vegetable but the mom loves to dress her up in cutsey clothes made for real children and set her crippled body up in places like lifeless and motionless next to a water play table and screech about how much fun potato girl is having, and when she moans in agony mom likes to scream about how much fun she’s having SINGING!!! or saying “i love you” when all u can hear is gurgle and spit in her throat. super fun black hole to get sucked into... here she is having soooo much fun at school!!!
 

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oh nice a new veggie to watch! yeah that channel looks like a fun train wreck to keep up with.

has anyone seen the ansley is fancy??? that mom is quite the hambeast like gwen. the kid has microcephaly and liccensephaly and is very much a vegetable but the mom loves to dress her up in clothes made for real children and set her crippled body up in places like lifeless and motionless next to a water play table and screech about how much fun potato girl is having. super fun black hole to get sucked into... here she is having soooo much fun at school!!!

I saw that page recently, too.
Not a cow, IMO

There are lots of pics of her smiling, there's videos of her laughing, making cute sounds and responding to stimuli at some level. Mom talks to her in the sing-songy voice, but she responds with smiles and seems to like it. She may be profoundly disabled, but isn't completely brain dead. The clothing choices seem appropriate as well, soft jersey cotton fabric, cute and girly, but not scratchy tulle, rhinestones and tiaras.
I don't see a shitload of graphic surgery photos either, no yelling or 'in your face!' attitude toward doctors.

Maybe I didn't look hard enough, but a surface glance gave me the impression that Ansley is a child with the ability to have some quality of life. I don't see the typical 'cow' behavior in mom like we saw in Gwen Hartley and Mama Nails and some of the others - delusional thinking, denial, dismissive of or aggressive medical professionals, demanding intervention or equipment that's futile, multiple fundraisers, e-begging, histrionic and dramatic behavior, huge social media presence, graphic details of their children's bodily functions - those children are treated as objects, they are used to garner sympathy and attention, donations, gifts, etc, they are weaponized and used against doctors and medical professionals, family and friends, the public.

Despite it's name, we're not all here to point and laugh at sped kids. This thread has many users who are here to discuss the ethics of keeping a child alive and suffering endlessly for the parents own selfish needs.

It's the parents who are the subject of ridicule, not the kids.

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Made it far enough into the IG of the kid mentioned here, and the parents aren't insane fundies who forced a doomed pregnancy to term, they adopted Ansley. Actually seems like a pretty wholesome story and nice people.
 
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