Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

Status
Not open for further replies.
Enough with the ozone fear mongering. We get it, it's dangerous just like most sanitizing agents. It's used by realtors all the time to quickly deodorize a stinky room before a showing, and it's built into millions of hot tubs to sanitize water with less chemicals needed. So if a fucking realtor can use it and not be scurrd, you can to! Open a window when you're done, problem solved.

Rubbing alcohol is dangerous too, do we need 50+ posts sperging about that? :geek:

Is it OK to use Ozone on your taint and ballsack? Sometimes it gets kinda gross and sticky down there.
 
Never gonna happen. There will be layoffs/furloughs and cuts to public employees before cutting off the burka invasion.

The farmers need the Somalis to work their meat packing plants. The same meat-packing plants which are now becoming hives of the disease because minorities work and live in crowded conditions whitey is racist.
 

No, the geniuses who put their entire states on house arrest are so fucked. We aren't. Hope Washington doesn't give the states ONE FUCKING PENNY. Simply cannot believe nobody seemed to make the connection between people not working, people not buying gas, people not shopping much, and people not staying in hotels/motels/etc. and tax revenues taking a dive. Am never voting for any more tax increases and bond issues to pay drones their bloated paychecks and even more bloated pensions. I see precious little the state or county does for me except half-assed maintaining of the roads. But I have seen plenty of county employees standing around apparently doing nothing but smelling farts.
 
The problem with Asymptomatics is two folded: First, how do you get people who feel completely fine to go get tested. Second, how do you get people who are completely fine to isolate.

So I know what the proper treatment is for Asymptomatic people. It is a 'economic stimulus' funded vacation to your local tourist resort town. A little bribe to get people to volunteer to get tested, a bribe to get the asymptomatic people who have nothing to fear away from uninfected people, and a way to get the economy restarted in the tourist resort towns by opening them up. And by locating them all in the same area, if any of them do end up requiring treatment, the logistics for that can be set up nearby.

In other words, banish our grocery store clerks to the Branson Missouri plague camp. Better get tested quick, you don't want to be sent to Dollywood instead.

Not going to happen, obviously, but its an amusing thought.

Well here's the thing that should be obvious, but everyone in their media driven frenzy misses. "Why would you isolate Asymptomatic people?" Aside from the obvious keep them out of certain high density, high risk, locations. Say Nursing Homes, Naval Vessels and Prisons for example. You want the asymptomatics out there wandering around. You want more asymptomatics! It's the only way this ends. The more asymptomatic carriers you have, the facter it burns through the population and burns itself out. Yeah, there is some risk. Some people will experience worse outcomes. But the numbers we are more and more discovering are actually rather shockingly small. And may be manageable for most without endangering the health care system. We can't lock everybody up forever because someone might die. Cuomo's declaration that "No Deaths Are Acceptable!" Is beyond Moronic and is a simple excuse for outright Fascism. (Nevermind that he personally seeded the Nursing Homes with the virus by Executive Order thus deliberately murdering tens of thousands.)

Everyone keeps harping on testing. Other than as a research project and after action event post mortem of the entire Coronavirus response, it really serves no purpose anymore, unless used as a diagnostic tool on a symptomatic patient.
 
I still think it's interesting how the media doesn't emphasize how many recovered. Only how many cases there are - or have been.
That's also because different places count recovered differently. Washington state has, like, 1 guy recovered. The very first guy in Everett and that's it. This is because they require some incredibly long period of being without symptoms to be considered recovered. You could go out there and run a half marathon but since you were ill in February, nope. They still aren't sure yet. This is playing all sorts of games with the numbers nationally since the states report to the feds.

Texas numbers are pretty fun though. They just went "well we haven't heard back from them and they didn't die" and they mark them recovered after two weeks.
The more asymptomatic carriers you have, the facter it burns through the population and burns itself out.
But that means people will get sick and die. We can't have that. Locking ourselves inside our homes forever (because the virus mutates every picosecond and there are eleventy brazillion strains already, that's just science) is the only correct way to solve this. A Naturopath and a Chiropractor and a medical policy expert on TV all told me so. They are doctors.
 
Last edited:
I don't believe this disaster can be spun to make any Democrat nominee look better than Trump. It's laid bare the disorganization, corruption and hypocrisy of every state, regardless of party affiliations. NY is the best example of this because of Cuomo and his big mouth. Like @RodgerDodger posted, he's responsible for thousands of nursing home patients dying. NYC might have the best doctors and hospitals but not everyone can access them; we have the poorest Congressional district in the US next to the richest (the Bronx and Upper East Side). On the DM site there's a nurse describing the horrible care she saw patients receive that led to their deaths (archive) and there's also one about a boy with coronavirus who went into cardiac arrest and organ failure because his doctor didn't seem concerned about his fever and diarrhea (archive). The "No Deaths Are Acceptable!" declaration is going to sound less than hyperbole and more like deliberate falsehood and negligence come Election Day. Very few people believe any of these clowns have their best interest in mind, let alone care if they die from medical neglect, lack of food, no shelter or bad decisions. When you life has changed because the governor made it impossible for you to work, you can't pay your bills and survival is the only thing that matters, no one is going to care about voting when they're burying Mom because the nursing home was forced to accept sick patients.

If a political consultant thinks they can use this to win by blaming Trump I don't think its a good strategy since he's not the one responsible for shutting down a city of 8.5 million and policies that literally kill people while making promises he can't keep, especially when other states are already opening up.
 
This is a massive story and I cannot understand why people aren't getting on this more.
This is the guy responsible for you being in lockdown. Worldwide. He's been pushing lockdowns as a panacea since 2002 - from everything for the Swine Flu, to Mad Cow. His dick gets hard at the sight of people being in lockdown.

The Imperial College is one of the main drivers behind the policies. This gormless asshole couldn't even pretend to believe in his models long enough to stop fucking his married thot.

Everyone who loses their business, is in financial distress, the elderly in Italy and Spain who died because they were infected in lockdown, the suicides, cancer, heart disease on the rise and those lining up for food banks, all have this piece of shit to thank and he does this. It's pretty incredible.

There's more to this than mere hypocrisy. It tells us something about the seriousness of this illness. If Neil Ferguson is considered the most knowledgeable guide in this area by the governments then even if a hypocrite and a cheater you would keep him on because, as we are told, millions of lives are at stake. And if he wasn't, you wouldn't have him in the first place. The fact that PR rather than actual credentials and experience is the determining factor in whether he retains his role tells you something important about the actual priorities at play here.
 
Weird. I was pretty surprised to see this on the Guardian because they have predictably been super fucking gung ho about the lockdown. I wonder if the timing is just a coincidence or if it's related.
The Guardian Australia, have been producing increasingly lockdown-skeptic pieces. It's been... strange.

Ferguson knows the score. Short of a few particular environments and situations the virus is hard to get, or if it is easy to get the chances of getting really ill are very low. The models are bullshit and he knows it is all bollocks. Why the fuck this isnt BIG news is mind boggling as this man has caused alot of grief AND Imperial College is massively funded by China.


c'mon media....... lets have Imperialgate.

Yeah I mean, it says it all there in the first line :
"Imperial is the UK’s number one university collaborator with Chinese research institutions"

China Ichiban!

Seriously, at the start of this lockdown shit, I posted this - https://archive.vn/yw6J5 30th March 2020.

Professor George Yip, Emeritus Professor of Marketing and Strategy added: "China is now recovering faster from the coronavirus than the rest of the world, which means its economy will pull ahead and strengthen its position in trade negotiations with the USA. Meanwhile, the fall in market value of UK companies will make it easier for Chinese companies, which are less dependent on the stock market, to make acquisitions of Western firms.

The Imperial College knew exactly what they were doing. People need to stay on top of everything associated with Ferguson. (Alex Berenson has covered it well for those interested.)

There's more to this than mere hypocrisy. It tells us something about the seriousness of this illness. If Neil Ferguson is considered the most knowledgeable guide in this area by the governments then even if a hypocrite and a cheater you would keep him on because, as we are told, millions of lives are at stake. And if he wasn't, you wouldn't have him in the first place. The fact that PR rather than actual credentials and experience is the determining factor in whether he retains his role tells you something important about the actual priorities at play here.

Yeah, I mean seriously, this guy has been at it for lockdowns for a very long time. He's literally been saying DOOM IS COMING everytime someone sneezes. Back in MARCH, he recanted his doomdays predictions. Nigga knew what he was doing. He's a grifter of the highest order.

Edit to add : https://archive.vn/H7E0H 2009 Swine Flu predictions from Ferguson et al
https://archive.vn/DoeCC Ferguson's lockdowns guiding policy.
https://archive.vn/DwhV6 A fairly good analysis on why Ferguson is a gypsy.

-----
Meanwhile, MSM has been pushing this hot bullshit :

The coronavirus has mutated and appears to be more contagious now, new study finds

This Twitter thread, by Columbia Virologist Dr Angela Rasmussen, explains why it's bad reporting and basically bullshit.

Also it's not peer reviewed, but amazingly, the media loves non-peer reviewed shit when it's TEAM DOOM and hates it when it's Team Positive.
 
Last edited:
Deescalation is now set to go smoothly as Sanchez indeed gave the basques and canaries what they wanted. (Told you they'd be insane not to do so. And if you wonder why I'm not talking about the canaries on my prior post about spanish politics. "Coalicion canaria" is basically like the tripartito catalonian but it the canary islands. Suddently all their parties joined into one. But it has the diffefence of being very new, having been done recently. Being very bland, they haven't been caught doing shit or anything like that so no one really knows much. And being in the canaries. As I mentioned before, every province has X seats, where X is variable. Barcelona has the 2nd most seats after madrir. Giving the catalonians an outrageous amount of power. Canarias has the least amount of seats when combining their provinces... They literally don't matter. I don't even think sanchez negotiated with them. He just informed them of what the basques had accepted and they went "ok." But it's not like their votes were needed.)

Sadly this means we won't get to enjoy the shitshow that would happen if the state of alarm is lifted and the communities have their way. But I guess not embracing clownworld willingly is the better part of valor. We do however enjoy the PP continuing its own clownshow. And get a fucking load of this one! PP has fought everyone on everything along the way. And finally they reached the conclusion to this. And the PP has now declared war... On the PP. Welcome to Spain!

So what happened is that the PP reunited to decide what they'd vote. Congress PP under Casado still call for everyone to vote NO unconditionally unless the gov gives them their free ERTE gibs. Andalucia, hilariously enough, has taken the medal for least insane bunch (honestly. Our chief is an idiot and has all the unbridled charisma of a chipotle enema. And is clearly compensating for something giving himself both caesar's laurels and a crown. But he's basically been the straightman to this show. So props for our asshole in charge. He might be a cunt. But he's our cunt.) By just going "I seriously don't give a shit." Honestly. He's been the most consistent. He started saying "Andalucia will do this. Period. The gov will have to agree." Then he went "the gov seriously needs to start reopening everything at the pace we set. The economy needs it." Which... was wrong. In that madrid needs to go slower because it's dense as fuck. But at least was in line with his beliefs. And made sense if you don't take into account density. Which I doubt he even understands at all. Then when this turned to possible no he went "well if the gov can't keep it up we'll just take control and keep the pace we ser" and now in the debate he just added "and if the gov keeps control we'll just follow the pace we set only we'll have to tell them we're doing so routinely. Who cares?" And concluded "Not me. Result is the same for me." Which is true. If you plan on following your list and trucking on you really don't care who has official authority.

The fucking hilarious part is that many of the autonomies of the PP have now rebelled against Casado and went "we need to say "YES" oh god we can't handle the alarm state collapsing." And you won't believe who is at the lead of this group. Motherfucking Diaz Ayuso, president of the Junta de Madrid herself! Yeah that's right. The bitch in chief that has spent all this time fighting the gov on everything, and claiming that she'd do it so much better than Sanchez. When actually seeing she might just have this shit dropped in her lap and her rhetoric might come true. Immediately fucking panicked and realized that, as everyone fucking knows, she can't handle this shit. Ayuso has been flip flopping all over the place, lying, screwing up on shit even the andalusians got right, and generally being one ubber crazy karen. So I gotta say. At least she's self aware enough to know she shouldn't actually be given this duty. Props? I still find it funny. Because the stereotype is that it's us andalusians that are uneducated dullards, while madrid is the "high education" industrial center of spain where all the illuminated ubermesch live with european trade partners and multicultural wankers. And yet our junta, in their simplistic way, has been down to earth and calm. While madrid is led by a buch of idiotic crazy people that have yet to even realize maybe listening to the recommendations of ISCIII is a good idea. Fucking kek. (Yes btw. Andalucia is spanish Texas and Madrid is spanish NY. That's basically the jist of it.)
 
How do you guys feel about people that think this would last until 2022?

The virus? Probably, at least some strain will.
The current strain? Unlikely but China might just find a way to be unhygienic enough for that.
The lockdowns? Hahahahaha no. If they're not lifted by september there will be a boog. And that's being generous. Most likely almost none will get past june at all.
 
How do you guys feel about people that think this would last until 2022?

I think such people are angling to justify post-lockdown measures such as mandatory contact tracking and turn current authoritarian licence into permanent authoritarian licence. They want lockdowns to last long enough and be harmful enough that people will accept greater state control and surveillance in return for ending them. People shouldn't accept it - they should say "lock us up or let us go; but don't tell us we can go if we let you arrest us for not having our phone on us."

I am rapidly growing very sick of the term "new normal".

how's Sweden holding up? apparently not giving a fuck worked.

Sweden seems to be ticking over alright but using it as an opportunity to kill off old people. Angry Foreigner is always an interesting source for things that don't make the mainstream Swedish media (most of which is paid for by State subsidies).

Sweden refusing to oxygen to patients who are too old:

Swedish stats are not that reliable.


Old lady left to die by Swedish doctors. Worth a watch if you have a few minutes.
 
Last edited:
It's getting harder and harder to believe that this was all just an accident. Yes, I'm aware of Hanlon's Razor and that likely is the case on a more local level like with all our Little Hitlers, but in the grander scheme everything feels way too conveniently timed, especially with how the media and higher ups in general seemed to have been primed for this ahead of time.

The narrative was crafted ever so carefully to get the worldwide populace at large to go through the motions until eventually we've reached the current point where you're given dirty looks from random people just for walking out your own fucking front door. All over a disease that, big shock, turned out to not even be half the threat that was forecasted. It's easier than ever to believe that all of this, to at least some kind of level, was planned. And sadly, said plan is working to a goddamn T.

It's not a plan. It's not a conspiracy. What kind of orchestrated plan to release a virus and reorder global society would have Donald Trump, AOC, Putin, Boris Johnson, Nancy Pelosi, Macron, Kim Jong Un, Iran, Japan, Rush Limbaugh, Chris Cuomo, Sean Hannity, Jim Acosta, and the owners of all media plus hundreds of scientists working together? Not once person willing to blow the whistle?

Or if it's just the Democrats/Liberals/Global Communists, there is not one single person on their side in 180 countries willing to whistleblow to the other side for personal financial gain and power?

If they had that much power and coordination, they've already won. Why go through all this?

No doubt many people on both sides are taking advantage of circumstances and have an agenda they are using this to advance. But it's not a crafted plan with stages.
 
I think such people are angling to justify post-lockdown measures such as mandatory contact tracking and turn current authoritarian licence into permanent authoritarian licence. They want lockdowns to last long enough and be harmful enough that people will accept greater state control and surveillance in return for ending them. People shouldn't accept it - they should say "lock us up or let us go; but don't tell us we can go if we let you arrest us for not having our phone on us."

I am rapidly growing very sick of the term "new normal".



Sweden seems to be ticking over alright but using it as an opportunity to kill off old people. Angry Foreigner is always an interesting source for things that don't make the mainstream Swedish media (most of which is paid for by State subsidies).

Sweden refusing to oxygen to patients who are too old:

Swedish stats are not that reliable.


Old lady left to die by Swedish doctors. Worth a watch if you have a few minutes.

Well then. Hey remember when a few coordinated fake leaks by madrid doctors tried to convince us this was happening to keep the rest of the country giving them shit. And that literally almost fucking triggered a fucking boog? Seems our northern neighbors HAVE NO BALLS. Welcome to northern europe. You will be replaced by uneducated migrants as soon as you stop being useful. Enjoy your early grave!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back