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[Aria]

Coronavirus deaths in UK pass 30,000 after 649 more people die

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-another-649-people-die-with-covid-19-taking-uk-total-to-30-076-11984054

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archived 6 May 2020 20:42:46 UTC

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[EmuWarsVeteran]

Coronavirus deaths in UK pass 30,000 after 649 more people die

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-another-649-people-die-with-covid-19-taking-uk-total-to-30-076-11984054

Coronavirus deaths in UK pass 30,000 after 649 more people die | UK N…

archived 6 May 2020 20:42:46 UTC

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They keep dying in care homes... you know here in spain we had a massive fucking spike when this shit assraped our care homes. But we actually fixed that shit. Why. The. Fuck. Has the UK not pluged that issue? Sure, it takes a lot of PPE and disinfectants. We basically turned the care homes into fucking movie style quarantine areas where everyone gotta get disinfected before entering and outside personnel gotta wear full hazmat like it's a fucking zombie apocalypse, it's certainly not pretty... But it works. I'm thinking this is why the UK numbers keep rising back up. The gov was yet to plug that shit. Why? Just why? At this point if they don't protect your elders you're gonna wind up overtaking us on per million deaths too. Fucking lockdown's useless if you don't actually use it to reinforce the risk groups. That's basic!

 

[CeleryStalks]

Michigan, USA

I have a summary, in the reopenings thread, of our legislature's lawsuit against our governor, with locally hosted PDF, for any interested Michiganders or amateur law enthusiasts.
Rundown on the laws producing our current situation.
Full PDF of the lawsuit on Scribd.
Summary in the reopenings thread.

Some choice quotes from the lawsuit:

The Governor is acting pursuant to emergency powers that she does not have while eviscerating laws that she is charged to enforce. She has chosen to regulate every aspect of nearly 10 million lives with no consent or input from the people’s representatives, whose assistance the Governor publicly disdains. No statute or constitutional provision empowers the Governor to declare a statewide, indefinite state of emergency and then rely on that declaration to exercise unfettered lawmaking authority. Quite the opposite: the Michigan Constitution vests that power solely with the Legislature. The Governor’s actions offend fundamental separation-of-powers principles. Those unconstitutional acts cannot stand.

The fabric of civility that unites our society is thin even in the best of times. While the rule of law and the strength of our democratic institutions have kept it from tearing, Governor Gretchen Whitmer insists on a course of action that is an affront to both, and the Legislature is left with no choice but to seek this Court’s intervention to restore constitutional order...
The Governor’s recent actions in responding to the ongoing COVID-19 crisis reflect patent disregard for the law. In issuing a multitude of executive orders prescribing rules for all aspects of life in Michigan, the Governor has become a lawmaking entity all to herself.

The Legislature continued to pursue cooperation, even after the Governor made it clear she viewed Michigan’s response to COVID-19 response as a one-person show.

Many legislators have also sought data, modeling, and other relevant information the Governor has used to guide her decision-making. See, e.g., Michigan House Republicans, Rep. Frederick requests more COVID-19 transparency from state (April 4, 2020). Those requests have largely been ignored. Against this background, and to fulfill the Legislature’s oversight role, the Legislature passed a concurrent resolution on April 24, forming a bipartisan Joint Select Committee on the COVID-19 Pandemic. 2020 HCR 20. The Governor responded by mocking the Legislature’s efforts to fulfill its law-making role, saying it was “struggling to figure out how to stay relevant in this moment.” Gray, Michigan Legislature wants to create committee to oversee Whitmer’s coronavirus response, Detroit Free Press (April 23, 2020).

Our statutory and constitutional protections stand in good times and bad. “The proposition that an emergency justifies a removal of constitutional [and statutory] safeguards is an egregious fallacy. A safeguard once let down inevitably must lead to mischief. If one be let down, why not another?” Steinacher v Swanson, 131 Neb 439; 268 NW 317, 324 (1936). The heart of our legal structure must not be sacrificed for momentary expediency. These principles have carried us through so many years of prosperity, and they have carried us through painful years of war and economic hardship. They must be preserved now, too. The Court should grant the Legislature’s motion for immediate declaratory judgment.

>Inb4 "Isn't this the one who closed all the courts so no one can sue her?"
What she actually did was suspend "all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings" until the emergency is over. Whitmer - Executive Order 2020-58 (COVID-19) (archive)

Spoiler: LEGALESE

1. Consistent with Michigan Supreme Court Administrative Order No. 2020-3, all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings, including but not limited to any deadline for the filing of an initial pleading and any statutory notice provision or other prerequisite related to the deadline for filing of such a pleading, are suspended as of March 10, 2020 and shall be tolled until the end of the declared states of disaster and emergency.
2. Consistent with Michigan Supreme Court Administrative Order No. 2020-3, this order does not prohibit or restrict a litigant from commencing an action or proceeding whenever the litigant may choose, nor does it suspend or toll any time period that must elapse before the commencement of an action or proceeding.
3. This order is effective immediately.

I don't know enough about the law to say whether this could have been intended to, or will actually have the effect of, delaying this and other lawsuits against Governor Whitmer and her recent executive orders. If someone does know, the information would be greatly appreciated.

 

[afternoon_tea]

They keep dying in care homes... you know here in spain we had a massive fucking spike when this shit assraped our care homes. But we actually fixed that shit. Why. The. Fuck. Has the UK not pluged that issue? Sure, it takes a lot of PPE and disinfectants. We basically turned the care homes into fucking movie style quarantine areas where everyone gotta get disinfected before entering and outside personnel gotta wear full hazmat like it's a fucking zombie apocalypse, it's certainly not pretty... But it works. I'm thinking this is why the UK numbers keep rising back up. The gov was yet to plug that shit. Why? Just why? At this point if they don't protect your elders you're gonna wind up overtaking us on per million deaths too. Fucking lockdown's useless if you don't actually use it to reinforce the risk groups. That's basic!

In Connecticut, 90% of the deaths last week were in nursing homes. Overall, 60% of our total deaths have been in them. Rhode Island is even higher at 70%.

One county around here had about half the number of cases as my county, but their death toll was higher and climbing rapidly, and I was wondering why, but it's because it got into the nursing homes and just tore through the residents.

Almost everyone I know around here knows someone who died in a nursing home from COVID.

For all the handwringing from leaders who say even one life lost is too many, they sure did a piss poor job protecting the most vulnerable population. Especially fuck Cuomo, who forced nursing homes to take in COVID patients and spreading it there, then acting like he's some champion of protecting the people, and anyone who disagrees with him just wants people to die. I don't know what good there is to be said about how he's handled this other than "well, he's slightly more competent than DiBlasio", which is not saying much.

 

[CWCchange]

I have a summary, in the reopenings thread, of our legislature's lawsuit against our governor, with locally hosted PDF, for any interested Michiganders or amateur law enthusiasts.

Good, fuck this cunt and the DNC's attempt to prop her as a Presidential frontrunner with her shitty rebuttal against Trump's State of the Union speech.

If she ends up resigning, I guess Biden has another FABULOUS choice for running mate.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Forgive me if someone has already brought this to our attention, but it relates to that thing I posted a few weeks ago about the PPE with propaganda stickers on it. Apparently the chinks have changed their laws so that things marked as being for medical use can no longer be exported.

 

[Billy_Sama]

Old lady left to die by Swedish doctors. Worth a watch if you have a few minutes.

Swedish Plan for elderly victims of the Coronavirus.

 

[knobslobbin]

Nicole Sirotek tearfully explaining how a NYC hospital is killing kung flu patients through medical mismanagement. youtube is censoring the video

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Ok so I got a question. If this coof has been around since last year, and even killing people in France since December, why did it take so long for Italy to go to shit?

Milder initial strain? Lunar New Year combined with Italy’s garment industry beingpropped up by an inconcievable number of Chinese migrant laborers?

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Nicole Sirotek tearfully explaining how a NYC hospital is killing kung flu patients through medical mismanagement. youtube is censoring the video

Honestly. It doesn't surprise me. This is just what happens when the directives are allowed to run unchecked. It's always been one of the massive issues of private healthcare. In the public, the unions keep people in check real time. In private, they only need to fix their shit when the inspector comes around. If for whatever reason private healthcare can get rid of the unions (which at least over here in spain public can never do by law) they can basically go apeshit. We actually got some horror stories from this shit from back when spanish "public" healthcare was allowed to be "privately managed" and act as private in all but name in some regions (read, madrid and barcelona. And literally nowhere else), it got ugly before the protests started.

Fun fact. Most people seem to think medical inspectors are these magical academic drill sergeants than can smell regulation issues by intuition alone. Well. In my experience, aside from those assholes in charge of sending people back to work, who ironically cause way more medical infractions than any other directive ever. The good inspectors, the ones in charge of keeping directives in check. It's more like whenever something's gone REALLY pear shaped the union gives them a call, grabs the workers that have been following whatever really fucked up orders directive handed this time. And basically. Well look, I'll make it in clip form. Just imagine Engie is a unioner (and is being fecetious, and totally knows what's going down.) Medic is the inspector and Soldier is the worker:

Yeah, that's just how that one goes. You just push the inspector to the worker. Pull the pin on the grenade. And go make some popcorn for when directives catch wind of this one via massive fucking sanctions. Every time. Hospital directives are as idiotic as every other person in charge of anything important ever. They fuck up constantly. And if they're not MADE to fix shit consequences are often lethal.

 

[irishAzoth]

Nicole Sirotek tearfully explaining how a NYC hospital is killing kung flu patients through medical mismanagement. youtube is censoring the video

finally a nurse talking about the situation instead of twerking
such a scary situation the American Health Care has put these people in
again my heart goes out to the medical workers through all this

 

[knobslobbin]

My favorite part is the complete lack of this story on reddit. Here is a nurse warning us that mostly black people are getting killed by mismanaged healthcare because they are minorities in a hospital in the hood that nobody cares about. Where is the outcry on liberal "we care about minorities" reddit? Fucking crickets, because this story goes slightly off narrative and might paint the covid numbers in a bad way.

Remember minorities, if you want your voices heard when you are being killed have the decency to make sure it fits whatever the left is pushing for at the moment, otherwise fuck off.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Nicole Sirotek tearfully explaining how a NYC hospital is killing kung flu patients through medical mismanagement. youtube is censoring the video

All those NYC people had their chance and deserve what they get. If they wanted to survive, the decisions they made throughout their lives would have been very different.

We're never going to find out how many of them were librarians and school teachers, squandering their youth on low-paying, no-talent jobs in the financial capital of the world. Of course, metrics around this are never going to appear, the medical industry works with education to keep pulling people into this permanent state of poverty. There's only one person from Wall Street who died from this shit, it was in a private clinic, he was attended by 4 competent physicians and the real reason was the 8 bypasses he had that decade. It was his time, he was a good man. Normal people don't get laid out in public hospitals letting nurses like this paw them into oblivion.

This nurse is crying about bums who were halfway dead already. It's obvious she's incompetent and a coward. Don't understand why the city didn't shut the hospitals and force the infected onto Roosevelt Island so it could stay open, what do we even pay the police for. Cuomo is a fucking idiot and so is his brother the Mayor. Both of those stupid fucks deserve to be tied up with that nurse and put into the Ocean. Far away from shore, make sure they never wash up. It's all a racket.

... at least, that's how I imagine New Yorkers responding to this video.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Wasn't there a study recently showing that the global lockdown barely made a dent in the CO2 emissions, proving that individual action won't do shit(in case you even believe CO2 is that big of an issue)?

I can't find it. I can find a lot saying it did put a massive dent. But I do know how you could even prove not only it didn't but it misteriously increased it. That being starting at the point at which most countries locked. Why? Because that's also the point china reopened.

Fun fact. China's lockdown reduced global CO2 emissions by 25%. And that's monthly output, not counting only the days they stayed locked. And the they have the balls to tell us we need to keep adding restrictions on the west. I do take CO2 seriously. I know people researching for using bioengineered organisms to clean it. And the fact we're not calling the third world out for this shit makes me weep.

It doesn’t help their case that Krakatoa had a major eruption right at the start of this. A single volcano puts out more CO2 and atmospheric carbon in 1 eruption than the entirety of the modern Industrial Age.

 

[Abradolfus_Linclerson]

It doesn’t help their case that Krakatoa had a major eruption right at the start of this. A single volcano puts out more CO2 and atmospheric carbon in 1 eruption than the entirety of the modern Industrial Age.

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

You are not allowed to spout heretical "facts" about earth processes! Clearly, since a guy in a backhoe can move more earth in 10 minutes than Mother Gaia can move in 10 years (in most cases) that means humankind is all-powerful and Mother Gaia is helpless before our polluting might!

EDIT: Adding something vaguely relevant to the actual topic.

So one of my coworkers has tested positive, but no medical providers in the area will test anyone who's asymptomatic. I was one of the borderline Doomers when all this was first starting to get going but reality has...failed to live up to expectations rather spectacularly where I live. The general consensus is that perhaps, maybe, my sister had it back in January/February before "ZOMG PANDEMIC PANIC!" hit but if that's the case, she makes literally the only other person besides my coworker I know who's had it.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

um what ever happened to just communicating with your landlord, and you know making a payment arrangment? not all landlords are heartless whoremongers, my current literally are letting those who got laid off because of the wu flu pay what they can and that's anywhere between 25 to 50 percent of the rent.

Definitely talk to the landlord.

If I was a landlord right now I'd be very concerned about ending up with a load of vacant, trashed, or squatter infested properties when this is all over. I'd try to keep at least some people in them, even if I had to cut rents to do it.

Basically you're better off taking a hit and keeping tenants than having to start from scratch at some unknown point in the future when the lockdown lifts and the economy is likely to be fucked for some also unknown time after that.

Coronavirus deaths in UK pass 30,000 after 649 more people die

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-another-649-people-die-with-covid-19-taking-uk-total-to-30-076-11984054

Coronavirus deaths in UK pass 30,000 after 649 more people die | UK N…

archived 6 May 2020 20:42:46 UTC

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There was an interesting video on how the media covered the death toll passing 20K as if the government was missing a target and then immediately asked given the 'rising death toll' if the government had any plans to ease the lockdown immediately. What a clusterfuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l_31GRfQeU

https://archive.vn/UphAo

Also, I bet you regret laughing off milkshaking as 'a meme' now people are chucking liquids at BBC hackettes, you stupid fucks, Still at least it was only hot chocolate. It could have been worse.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Doesn't matter if you vote for the increases or not. Cuomo has a point-the states give money to local municipalities for things like schools, fire, police. Even if Federal bailout bux would go to paying down pensions and more money for dem programs and cash to illegal aliens, the blue states will just say "whelp can't give school or law enforcement grants to the towns if we don't get more fed cash."

Which means if there's no blue state bailout, local governments will soak property owners with tax increases to pay for schools and cops. It's that or shutdown schools and lay off police. Hope you enjoy your 20% property and school tax increase.

From what I am hearing from a number of New York friends the Wheels seem to suddenly be coming off Cuomo’s bus. He hit two land mines in the past 48 hours that he might not be able to recover from.

- When we talk about Blue States and their crooked unfounded pension systems, we are mainly talking about California, Illinois, New Jersey and Massachusetts. While New York has problems from overly generous promises, they’ve had one thing preventing full Illinois style meltdown. In New York the State Government Employee Pension Funds are walled off from the Governor and Legislature. They can’t use the pension fund as a slush fund the way the really bad states have done. in contrast there literally is no money in the Illinois Pension fund. Every dollar paid in by current employees immediately goes out the door to pay a current retiree. With borrowing to make up the further shortfall. Yes it’s an actual Ponzi Scheme. In New York once the pension contributions are made, the State is not supposed to be able to touch them. So even when they are not properly funding it on a given year, what is put in goes in and stays there. Cuomo has long wanted to be able to more freely use that money. He quietly made a big play for it yesterday under “emergency powers”. The State and Local Employee groups are going nuts. Cops, Firefighters, Teachers, Sanitation, etc. No politician can win or survive in New York without them.

- To add to the above, Cuomo also decided to partner with Bill Gates to turn the virtual online education of kids into a new permanent thing. Proclaiming Schools will never go back to the old way. The single most powerful group in New York State is the teachers Union. They’ve just gone apoplectic. They might actually have him killed.

and these are all groups with a lot of power to make his life miserable and unearth his vast closet full of skeletons.

 

[JosephStalin]

A thought crossed my mind today.

One major tenet of American government, and likely governments in many other countries, is that those governing have the consent of the governed. But what happens if a large and growing number of people publicly revoke their consent to be governed by those presently governing? Anything? Passive civil disobedience? Active civil disobedience?

These days, at least in large parts of the USA, there are millions of people chafing under the unwarranted oppression of house arrests. They don't believe those in charge care about their concerns or are even willing to listen to those concerns. More and more people no longer see their government, at whatever level, as public servants, but as tyrants. These "public servants" either don't realize or don't care that they have lost all credibility with many of the people they believe they govern. They've lost the war inside these people's heads.

What might happen? What could happen? What will happen? Don't know, but at any rate it won't be good.

 

[FatalTater]

I went out supply gathering today in the US midwest. I went to Target, Dollar Tree, Lowes, and Walmart. Like the last time I went out, most people wore masks but there were a few that didn't. Staying 6 feet away from each other was encouraged by signs and tape on the floor. I like that other shoppers have to stay out of my way. We should keep that. The stores were fairly well stocked but Walmart was still out of the Great Value disinfectant wipes which annoys me since I like the way they smell. I saw no sick people nor any panic other than the usual "I'm in Walmart at 4pm, what has my life become?" expressions. Toilet paper and paper towel shelves were somewhat bare, but there were some to be had.

 

[Phalanx]

So here in the UK there we still had 6.000 odd people diagnosed with the virus and there is a lot of fake news going around the rag newspapers of Lockdown being lifted on May 11th even though last monday in briefing the PM Aides stated June at the earliest.

The media seem to be clambering to fake news as of late especially Rupert Murdock's piece of shit newspaper. Personally I have a few friends who I work in an office space with who are stupid enough to want to go night clubbing, respectively I responded with I think in respect of your work colleagues you should not.

Young people especially anger me because they do not realise they are just carriers and pass it on. The media think this is over and the virus is beat as do most people but they will abuse their rights and force another lock down as other countries are having rising cases even after.

I am beginning to show concern now, at first I thought it was manageable but the UK's handling of it has been disgraceful and lack of knowledge regarding the R factor is disgusting. They can make it go to 0.3 but its all a lie because it his that because people were inside.

I think its time we start thinking about how to live with this now long term rather than short term.