The Mysterious Mr. Enter / Jonathan Rozanski's "Growing Around" - IndieGoGo Campaign Failed, John going off the deep end, "Turning Red" is ignorant about 9/11 (later retracted)

[Sir Wesley Tailpipe]

Yet all it does it make them look like even bigger dipshits than enter himself

Well, they are the mongoloids following the bigger mongoloid, so draw your own conclusions.

 

[Massively Strong Greed]

Pretty sure any legal expert would look at Enter's 'case' and go "You do know what a joke is, right?"

Sadly I'm not so sure. I've seriously had a friend get put on probation over saying "I'm gonna kill you" in the context of GTA Online because the lolcow on the other side of the case was just so TRIGGERED. More proof that we live in a clown world.

 

[tamago]

Pretty sure any legal expert would look at Enter's 'case' and go "You do know what a joke is, right?"

How old is Enter and why is he threatening to sue/kill someone he says he thinks is in high school over a word on the internet?

 

[The Decimator]

Mighty B was an old Nicktoon about a brilliant but overenthusiatic girl scout and her wacky antics. That's pretty much it. I thought it was alright for its time. It had its moments but it's mostly forgotten these days. I have no idea why anyone would actively hate it. It wasn't BAD, just sort of generic, and it did have its moments. But I'd hardly call it a Spongebob ripoff.

I think in Enter logic it goes something like this.

First Premise: Spongebob jumped the shark and started sucking.
Second Premise: Spongebob is a wacky comedy cartoon for kids.
Third Premise: Every wacky comedy cartoon for kids is Spongebob.
Conclusion: Every wacky comedy cartoon for kids sucks.

If you're not autistic, you may spot a minor flaw in one of the above premises.

EDIT: Here's another thing I just thought of. While Bessie could be annoying to the people around her, she was tolerated for at least two reasons. First, she was generally just overeager rather than thoughtless or malicious. Second, she was an incredibly loyal person and would go far out of her way to help friends, and even strangers. So they were willing to put up with her occasional annoyingness due to, you know, her redeeming qualities.

Enter only has one of those things. Maybe he's jealous of her for "getting away with it" without understanding why or how people liked her?

The Mighty B definitely needs more love. I haven’t watched the video he did on it (nor do I want to), but I’m not surprised that he missed the point of it. Bessie isn’t a “Spongebob ripoff”, she’s based on the Girl Scout character that Amy Poehler did for Upright Citizens Brigade (she also used the characterization for her Kaitlin character on Saturday Night Live). If he did research, then he’d know that, but, hey, gotta shit this video out so my fans stop threatining to unsubscribe!

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

How old is Enter and why is he threatening to sue/kill someone he says he thinks is in high school over a word on the internet?

30, I think and it’s because he’s an oversensitive manchild who can’t take a joke.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Not sure if someone posted this already but this is classic.

https://twitter.com/mayhem_crimson/status/1256619989332877317?s=19

Also isnt the guy posting this his former editor? Was it that intense of a falling out?

Lol, yes that is his former editor, and now I really want to know what caused them to split.

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

Man, it's been a while since I've been in the thread let's see what's...

Max jerks off to gross out humor.

 

[Petronella]

Lol, yes that is his former editor, and now I really want to know what caused them to split.

I love the fucking dramatic Silent Hill music playing in the background of this dressing down of dudes who wrote for mf SpongeBob.

 

[coach_mclurk]

Video from january this year where he comments on the pilot of Growing Around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetIE9t-Fho
tl;dw first half of the video is him rambling about nothing like he usually does, then in the second half he is absolutely seething at people who don't like GA.
A few highlights. Some of these are paraphrased for convenience but I tried to stay true to what he was saying, not trying to twist his words or anything.

Spoiler

"Growing around has a lot of characters that are important to the overall show and in a pilot, it's important to get as many as possible on screen and to introduce them"
So his justification for why the pilot is so long is because Sally is the main character so we need to have her and her friends, and the episode is about Max so we need ALL of Max's co-workers for some reason. Adding up the Dunn family plus these characters gets you 11 characters you have to keep track of, and this is just the beginning.
"The stories of Growing Around are incredibly nuanced."
LOL
Gets very irritated with how people asked him questions about how the universe works, claiming that it should have been obvious. Practically outright calls his fans dumb for not immediately getting it.
"It frustrates me how so many people assumed that [people age backwards in GA] for what I can only assume is no reason." "This is like grade 2 reading comprehension."
So Enter just believes things happens for "no reason" now.
There's a part where he basically explains that it's stupid to expect the pilot episode to go over how kids became in charge because... it's stupid. I mean, it's fine to not include that in the first episode, but call it a stylistic choice instead of insulting fans, jeez.
Brings up people asking about pedophiles in GA, puts up an anti-criticism shield by saying he'll refuse to answer questions unless you've read every single script. "If it's there, it's there. If it's not, it's not."
"[If you haven't read all the scripts and you comment on GA] you're probably just messing with me and I have literally no reason to assume you're not."
"[I don't get people who don't immediately accept the premise] - maybe the vast majority of them are trolls."
"[If you don't accept the premise of GA] either you're playing stupid, or you're just stupid."
"[Criticism I don't like] makes it harder to make the show good, so I have to pick and choose what I listen to."
Does he not get that literally picking and choosing which criticisms to listen to is incredibly biased?
"These kinds of critisisms make it harder to market my series."
No, the fact that he sucks at managing and marketing his series is what makes it hard.
Gets mad about people wanting every background character have a name and story and the show having an almanac full of lore, when that's what he's been doing with the show anyway.
Talks about how he doesn't owe anyone an explanation for the premise and if you can't accept that, just don't watch it. Except he does explain the premise, badly.
"Oh and for those of you who think it's egotistical of me to ramble for half an hour about my show that'll 'never get made', check this out" *plays the shitty one minute animatic*

I think what Enter doesn't understand is that all he has is his premise. Even his crew won't read every script. How can he expect the average fan to read through the 70 scripts that are scattered between different websites and different drafts? The art isn't good and a viewer might think it's just placeholder stuff. And to be real, static images ammount to jack shit to the audience when you're trying to sell them on an animation. Not even getting into the fact that the writing is horrible, all Enter has is this premise. An idea. He's an ideas guy. He's that kid who's constantly talking about his super awesome idea for a movie or game or whatever but he doesn't draw anything or do any real work on it, he just throws out ideas that sound cool to him. We still don't know what the show is supposed to look like, the degree of cartoony physics, the comedic timing, how seriously we're supposed to take it, or why any of it is supposed to be entertaining. He answers none of this because he doesn't have the talent to pull it off and his abysmal writing skills don't make up for any of those shortcomings.

Does he really think posts like this are trolling? Would I type all this shit out if I wasn't trying to provide an honest critique? I just find this dumpsterfire interesting because it's so well documented and the insane degree of how hypocritical Enter is. Several people in this thread alone have expressed their thoughts on why Growing Around is a failure without resorting to blind hate because it's Mr. Enter to "troll" him. It's just a bad wannabe cartoon thought up by a non-creator who has lived the past decade believing his mediocre ability to tear down other shows makes him qualified to build a new one from the ground up. It just doesn't work like that.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I feel like the concept of kids in charge could work well enough IF: It was a temporary thing, and you're willing to use cartoon logic to gloss over some of the more serious things like medical emergencies.

Imagine the following scenario. There's a growing movement of kids across the world complaining that adults are mean and bossy, pushing kids around and getting to do whatever they want. Eventually it hits a critical mass and adults say "Y'know what? Fine. You think we've got it so good? Let's have kids and adults switch places for a month and see what happens." Kids are in charge but find they can't handle the responsibility, adults get a vacation but feel unfulfilled and know the world can't actually function this way for very long. And by the end everyone has learned a valuable lesson about empathy, being careful what you wish for, not wanting to grow up so fast, etc. Might not be the greatest show ever but I think you could get a short season out of it.

But hey, what do I know? I'm not a polymath like Enter.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

 

[Tragedy of the Senate]

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If Enter can't answer basic questions about Sally's interests, how does he seriously plan to manage over 30 additional characters all in a single season?

This specific Discord channel is like asking a teacher multiple questions and every response from them is some form of, "I don't know."

 

[Sussy Baka Desu?]

Not even getting into the fact that the writing is horrible, all Enter has is this premise. An idea. He's an ideas guy. He's that kid who's constantly talking about his super awesome idea for a movie or game or whatever but he doesn't draw anything or do any real work on it, he just throws out ideas that sound cool to him.

He is not creative. There's a difference between being an artist and simply liking art. He is in love with the idea of creating an imaginary world, but he can't even make up an original idea on his own. Little Cassie was the closest, and I'm sure it was based on something else. So I wouldn't call him an ideas guy.

Might not be the greatest show ever but I think you could get a short season out of it.

The problem still remains. Enter has no story to tell. He just has tropes to ruin and cliches to write out of spite of the "mistakes" made by professionally animated shows that actually exist.

 

[LiquidKid]

Video from january this year where he comments on the pilot of Growing Around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetIE9t-Fho
tl;dw first half of the video is him rambling about nothing like he usually does, then in the second half he is absolutely seething at people who don't like GA.
A few highlights. Some of these are paraphrased for convenience but I tried to stay true to what he was saying, not trying to twist his words or anything.

Spoiler

"Growing around has a lot of characters that are important to the overall show and in a pilot, it's important to get as many as possible on screen and to introduce them"
So his justification for why the pilot is so long is because Sally is the main character so we need to have her and her friends, and the episode is about Max so we need ALL of Max's co-workers for some reason. Adding up the Dunn family plus these characters gets you 11 characters you have to keep track of, and this is just the beginning.
"The stories of Growing Around are incredibly nuanced."
LOL
Gets very irritated with how people asked him questions about how the universe works, claiming that it should have been obvious. Practically outright calls his fans dumb for not immediately getting it.
"It frustrates me how so many people assumed that [people age backwards in GA] for what I can only assume is no reason." "This is like grade 2 reading comprehension."
So Enter just believes things happens for "no reason" now.
There's a part where he basically explains that it's stupid to expect the pilot episode to go over how kids became in charge because... it's stupid. I mean, it's fine to not include that in the first episode, but call it a stylistic choice instead of insulting fans, jeez.
Brings up people asking about pedophiles in GA, puts up an anti-criticism shield by saying he'll refuse to answer questions unless you've read every single script. "If it's there, it's there. If it's not, it's not."
"[If you haven't read all the scripts and you comment on GA] you're probably just messing with me and I have literally no reason to assume you're not."
"[I don't get people who don't immediately accept the premise] - maybe the vast majority of them are trolls."
"[If you don't accept the premise of GA] either you're playing stupid, or you're just stupid."
"[Criticism I don't like] makes it harder to make the show good, so I have to pick and choose what I listen to."
Does he not get that literally picking and choosing which criticisms to listen to is incredibly biased?
"These kinds of critisisms make it harder to market my series."
No, the fact that he sucks at managing and marketing his series is what makes it hard.
Gets mad about people wanting every background character have a name and story and the show having an almanac full of lore, when that's what he's been doing with the show anyway.
Talks about how he doesn't owe anyone an explanation for the premise and if you can't accept that, just don't watch it. Except he does explain the premise, badly.
"Oh and for those of you who think it's egotistical of me to ramble for half an hour about my show that'll 'never get made', check this out" *plays the shitty one minute animatic*

I think what Enter doesn't understand is that all he has is his premise. Even his crew won't read every script. How can he expect the average fan to read through the 70 scripts that are scattered between different websites and different drafts? The art isn't good and a viewer might think it's just placeholder stuff. And to be real, static images ammount to jack shit to the audience when you're trying to sell them on an animation. Not even getting into the fact that the writing is horrible, all Enter has is this premise. An idea. He's an ideas guy. He's that kid who's constantly talking about his super awesome idea for a movie or game or whatever but he doesn't draw anything or do any real work on it, he just throws out ideas that sound cool to him. We still don't know what the show is supposed to look like, the degree of cartoony physics, the comedic timing, how seriously we're supposed to take it, or why any of it is supposed to be entertaining. He answers none of this because he doesn't have the talent to pull it off and his abysmal writing skills don't make up for any of those shortcomings.

Does he really think posts like this are trolling? Would I type all this shit out if I wasn't trying to provide an honest critique? I just find this dumpsterfire interesting because it's so well documented and the insane degree of how hypocritical Enter is. Several people in this thread alone have expressed their thoughts on why Growing Around is a failure without resorting to blind hate because it's Mr. Enter to "troll" him. It's just a bad wannabe cartoon thought up by a non-creator who has lived the past decade believing his mediocre ability to tear down other shows makes him qualified to build a new one from the ground up. It just doesn't work like that.

If Enter can't answer basic questions about Sally's interests, how does he seriously plan to manage over 30 additional characters all in a single season?

This specific Discord channel is like asking a teacher multiple questions and every response from them is some form of, "I don't know."

So I have now listened to all of the Indiegogo live-streams, besides the horror in realizing that he’s the least autistic person involved in the “project”, you begin to realize extremely quickly that he has never once mentioned what the actual story of growing around is. He keeps bringing up this idea of an over arching plot, or as he words it himself “it’s a little like Star VS. it begins episodic but gets a plot over time.” But no actual story has ever been mentioned, when even an episodic show needs a story for the premise to work.

also, mini rant: At 1:53:30 in the third live stream Enter gets super pissed off after being asked about the premise for like the 30th time and flat out says “it’s because it’s a cartoon!”

then he starts listing off rhetorical questions to prove his point. Only they were all awful and I found myself verbally answering them out of annoyance.

“why is there a talking sponge that lives in a pineapple under the sea?!”

Me: Because it takes place under Bikini Atoll, a site where several nuclear experiments were conducted and all the fish are radiated.

“How does a Samurai get flung into the distant future?”

Me: As the intro explains: he was winning a fight against a demon and the demon created a portal to send him to a time when he rules so he has a better chance at coming out victorious.

Ironically, his autism crew was too stupid to understand what he was going on about and eventually one of the sped girls tries to do the same thing with anime, and again picks bad examples like:

“Why is one boy missing a leg and the other is in a suit of armor”

Me: Full Metal Alchemist involves a failed experiment and the entire series is about them trying to find a way fix that experiment.

“Why does a girl fight evil with the help of a talking cat?”

Me: Because the cat is tasked with finding girls who have potential to battle, that’s explained early on in all magical girl shows.

I know these people are autistic, but when they can’t even grasp the basic plot of shows they claim to love, how can they expect to create anything?

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

So I have now listened to all of the Indiegogo live-streams, besides the horror in realizing that he’s the least autistic person involved in the “project”, you begin to realize extremely quickly that he has never once mentioned what the actual story of growing around is. He keeps bringing up this idea of an over arching plot, or as he words it himself “it’s a little like Star VS. it begins episodic but gets a plot over time.” But no actual story has ever been mentioned, when even an episodic show needs a story for the premise to work.

This is bunk. While the early episodes are Star VS are mostly zany antics, the actual plot is established in the very first episode: Her parents send her to earth to hide her from their enemies. They don't just cold open with Star living on earth for no reason.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

“How does a Samurai get flung into the distant future?”

So, he thinks something that is explained in the intro of every episode in one show is the same as something that he refuses to explain at all in his own show? I'm struggling to understand his argument.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

So, he thinks something that is explained in the intro of every episode in one show is the same as something that he refuses to explain at all in his own show? I'm struggling to understand his argument.

It's really annoying how Enter is like "BUT WHAT ABOUT OTHER SHOWS" when like all the other shows either do not take themselves seriously or give a proper explanation which Enter doesn't bother with.

It doesn't help that Enter's cartoon world goes against everything about how humans work.

 

[LiquidKid]

It's really annoying how Enter is like "BUT WHAT ABOUT OTHER SHOWS" when like all the other shows either do not take themselves seriously or give a proper explanation which Enter doesn't bother with.

It doesn't help that Enter's cartoon world goes against everything about how humans work.

I legitimately cannot think of another show that just expects you to buy their premise without even a tiny bit of world building. The most “cartoon logic” they tend to get is the existence of magic or animals being able to talk.
Even Phineas and Ferb has fun with it by constantly going
“isn’t that impossible?”
“Probably.”

I think the only bonkers show I can think of that does this is Pee Wee’s playhouse and other stuff for little little kids

 

[coach_mclurk]

I think I figured it out. Usually cartoons have something to ground themselves to allow audiences to suspend their disbelief. For Dexter, it's the fact that he's the anomoly in an otherwise normal neighborhood. For Samurai Jack, it's Jack himself in a strange and alien world to him. For KND, it's the classic oppressors vs resistance story. For Spongebob, it's the ordinary things they do despite being anthropomorphic fish, like going to the beach or getting burgers. All of these have some way for the audience to intuitively relate to what's going on on screen. Most of them have a tried and true "whacky element vs the straight man" aspect. Growing Around does not. Everything is whacky, both the world and the main characters. You have no point of reference other than the real world so naturally one tries to make connections, compare, contrast, and try to fill in the gaps with what might seem logical. This is the part Enter does't get. People are confused by the premise of GA because they're forced by the flawed writing to examine it against the real world, making it easy to pick out jarring inconsistencies. The closest he gets to remedying this situation is having certain adults like Shane take on the role of the straight man who points out the rediculousness of everything around him. But he rarely shows up and when he does, Enter treats him like a piece of shit villain, making the viewer feel bad for relating to him.

 

[BlueCandle]

So I have now listened to all of the Indiegogo live-streams, besides the horror in realizing that he’s the least autistic person involved in the “project”, you begin to realize extremely quickly that he has never once mentioned what the actual story of growing around is. He keeps bringing up this idea of an over arching plot, or as he words it himself “it’s a little like Star VS. it begins episodic but gets a plot over time.” But no actual story has ever been mentioned, when even an episodic show needs a story for the premise to work.

also, mini rant: At 1:53:30 in the third live stream Enter gets super pissed off after being asked about the premise for like the 30th time and flat out says “it’s because it’s a cartoon!”

then he starts listing off rhetorical questions to prove his point. Only they were all awful and I found myself verbally answering them out of annoyance.

“why is there a talking sponge that lives in a pineapple under the sea?!”

Me: Because it takes place under Bikini Atoll, a site where several nuclear experiments were conducted and all the fish are radiated.

“How does a Samurai get flung into the distant future?”

Me: As the intro explains: he was winning a fight against a demon and the demon created a portal to send him to a time when he rules so he has a better chance at comic out victorious.

Ironically, he his autism crew was too stupid to even understand what he was going on about, until one of the sped girls tries to do the same with anime, and again picks bad examples like-

“Why is one boy missing a leg and the other is in a suit of armor”

Me: Full Metal Alchemist involves a failed experiment and the entire series is about them trying to find a way fix that experiment.

“Why does a girl fight evil with the help of a talking cat?”

Me: Because the cat is tasked with finding girls who have potential to battle, that’s explained early on in all magical girl shows.

I know these people are autistic, but when they can’t even grasp the basic plot of shows they claim to love, how can they expect to create anything?

Congratulations on sitting through all that in such a short period of time. Even I had to stagger it out considerably as the tag teaming of Enter and Ava put great strain on my patience.

It’s been a fair while since I listened to them myself, were there any other highlights that i missed?