Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Hmm, California's locking people up, New York's outlawing protests... New York and California, where have I recently heard of those two places together recently....Dammit! It was in a Qanon drop. (#1368 for the curious. https://qalerts.app/?n=1368) I hate that some of this stuff sticks in my memory well enough to find easily yet I forget my own phone number all the time.
 
Not surprised one bit. Used to go to Costco every week. Due to this, only when I need one certain item. Couldn't believe how easy it was to break the habit. Read at WSJ.com that Costco sales are actually down. No fucks given.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...-mandatory-mask-policy/ar-BB13KIh1?li=BBnbfcL

Everyone at my Costco has been wearing masks for the last 2 months. I go about once every other week.

I've been buying food directly from seafood and meat wholesalers. Restaurants, their regular customers, don't have any business, so they are happy to sell to the public. Getting incredible deals, 10 lbs of Mussels only costs about $20 when you buy wholesale. I'm getting full ribeye roasts for $2 a pound, whole chickens for $0.40 a pound. Plus all this restaurant shit, I have a Crepes Suzette station some guy threw in just for visiting. My neighbors are in on it, they send me orders and I haul back a load once a week. Doing my part for local businesses the right way.

There are stores going out of business around me left and right. Art stores, hobby stores, carpet stores, appliance stores, car dealers, etc. I've been buying inventory from owners for cash before they head into bankruptcy. Renting a warehouse full of shit I plan to sell on eBay once I get it properly inventoried. Eyeing a couple distressed businesses that could easily be reopened under another name, without assuming the debt. Considering becoming a landlord, have a couple owners ready to let me assume their mortgages on 10-year-old properties with a 40%+ IRR (meaning there's almost no maintenance.) Refinanced my own mortgage at 3.1% with no points, savings is > $700 a month going forward and I get to skip a payment.

I've got other things going on too, with local pols who lost their finance stream when this all started. Paying for online advertising when it's dirt cheap and everyone's online happens to be one of the best ways to make friends. Thinking about starting a syndicate to abuse groups I don't like, while I don't have any particular animus for anyone you never know when you are going to need a hammer. These times are when political machines are forged (or when you find the guys who will get you out of tickets a few years down the road.)

Honestly, this plague has been incredible for me financially. Masking up is a small inconvenience, I need the economy to start up so people can understand how fucked they are and this tiny little empire can continue growing. There's a lot of business that's not coming back, but that's going to leave a hole for all the businesses that are coming forward. With incredibly low costs to entry.
 
Took a member of the silent generation out for the first time in two months, with doc approval and both of us were masked. Geriatric doctors are seeing a decline in their patients because of these quarantines/lockdowns. Lack of exercise, routine, social interaction, etc. has had a negative impact on their health physically and mentally. It makes me wonder if "saving" their lives may end up shortening them in the long run.

Yeah, people are just staying away from providers. Even if elective procedures weren't banned in my county, they'd still stay away.

How do I know this? Well our ED stats for April were very weird, and the ED has nothing to do with elective procedures. Census was about 60% of what it was this time last year. People come to the ED for stupid things but also for stuff like ischemic strokes and MIs. Aaand they're not showing up. So yes I assume a lot of older patients are just dying at home.
 
I shouldn't be surprised that the governor decided to wait until the last minute to extend the lockdown allegedly for 'at least a month', but with phrasing vague enough that they could technically just extend it forever...and I suppose I'm not, but I'm still appalled. And locals I've spoken to about the matter (or just overheard) are pretty enraged about it. I don't know how much damage this will do to the economy and social fabric of the country, but I suspect we'll see a record number of governors voted out next cycle.

Unless they actually force mail in ballots, I mean. Then I wouldn't be surprised if 'somehow' the governors that people intensely hate manage to get reelected anyway.
 
Outside China

3,763,071 confirmed / 264,957 dead / 1,206,969 recovered

3669812 / 259148 / 1163106 yesterday

USA

1,256,972 confirmed / 75,670 dead / 195,036 recovered JohnHopkins
1,279,103 confirmed / 76,671 dead / 217,251 recovered Infection2020

1228214 / 73418 / 189910 yesterday JohnHopkins
1240037 / 72731 / 212981 Yesterday Infection2020

Spain

221,447 confirmed / 26,070 dead / 128,511 recovered

220325 / 25857 / 126002 yesterday

Italy

215,858 confirmed / 29,958 dead / 96,276 recovered

214457 / 29684 / 93245 yesterday

France

174,918 confirmed / 25,990 dead / 55,191 recovered

174244 / 25812 / 54078 yesterday

Germany

169,430 confirmed / 7,392 dead / 141,700 recovered

168162 / 7275 / 137696 yesterday
 
This is a horrible new development:

https://archive.vn/wip/COoyX

85 kids across U.S. have developed mysterious COVID-19-linked illness
Children with a rare but potentially dangerous complication thought to be linked to the coronavirus have now been identified in at least seven states and the Washington, D.C., area.

The newly identified syndrome appears to be the result of a child's immune system's going into overdrive after a COVID-19 infection. However, it's still too soon to pin all of the cases on the coronavirus. Some patients have tested negative.
"We're all still waiting for the smoking gun to be sure it is associated with COVID-19," said Dr. Audrey John, chief of pediatric infectious diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, adding that it's "certainly suspicious."
Pediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome can mirror symptoms of other inflammatory illnesses, such as Kawasaki disease and toxic shock-like syndrome.
Children can have high fevers, severe diarrhea, rash and often red eyes or conjunctivitis. But "the feature that's been most concerning is that they have problems with their heart function," John said.
"The heart isn't squeezing as well as it should, so they need medications to help keep their blood pressure up," John said.
 
3 news:

1) Fernando Simon has had to remind the news he doesn't say who goes to phase 1 and who stays on phase 0, that's Illa's job. Because journos kept asking only that during his question session. Oi fuckos! He's there to explain the situation. He's a scientist. He's not the actual fucking president. Since day 1 he's had to keep reminding people he can't actually talk politics. Seems they didn't get the memmo. Journos: they really are just fucking stupid.

2) Madrid f*cking FINALLY reopens the natural parks and green areas. No one knows why they took this long. Meanwhile they keep fighting themselves and having experts resign over the mess Ayuso is causing. Seems most autonomies are following the "leave central PP fucked and keep trucking", but we don't really know if Ayuso isn't and that's why she sucks, or if she's just impossibly incompetent. Either way she can only do so much damage so most don't care even in madrid.

3) the news are now screaming over and over than a study says seawater and pool water kills the virus so we should be reopening beaches and pools. Meanwhile people are answering by pointing at Fernando Simon telling them this like over a fucking week ago, and most are just laughing their asses off at how A3media just found out chlorine is a thing. Because we've all been telling them this and they called us all sorts of names for it. Fucking hilarious.

Overall? Today is a good day.

EDIT: seems gov has told madrid to put a sock in it and stay closed and is now negotiating with everyone else. Castilla y Leon and Catalonia are kinda up in the air. Everyone else is pretty much guaranteed to go to phase 1. Fucking finally. I think even those 2 will cross, or at least castille I'm almost certain it will. Catalonia maybe since it has Barcelona. But generally speaking. Reopening ahoi.

Is this legit, or just our latest freaked-out news article?

Latest freakout article. It's just the same thing the britbongs talked about. And it's faurly blatantly just kawasaki or some similar autoimune inflamatory respose (basically, same shit as the cytokine storms and allergies), the fact it's only 85 kids in all of the US OF MOTHERLOVING A. And none have died. Should tell you how serious this is.
 
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Yeah and the shutdown was predicated on there being 26 times that amount. Oh man .001% of the worlds population at worst* has died from this OH THE HUMANITY OH THE FUCKING HUMANITY, lets stay in our houses forever because the Old People who will die of almost any disease that crops up every year might die from this specific one.
Current death toll world wide is 0.0034789224812012487% or 0.003% at the time I type this. Swine flu killed more and infected more people, but luckily we didn't have WHO being paid off by China to tell governments to lock us down for our "safety" and were told to the sensible thing of washing our hands with soap and go about our daily lives.
 
This is a Korean article, but I'll give you the gist :
Fujifilm have developed a PCR reagent that gives tests results in 75 minutes.
They're rolling them out domestically within the month.


Now, this is great and the people working for Fujifilm are really top of the game however, this presents 2 situations ;
A lot of those same people think that PCR tests are a waste of time, however, they are "needed" for "public safety messaging".
I understand why - the public want to know everyone's being tested, or at least, the MEDIA gives the perception that's what the people want. I don't know if many people actually care too much, tbh, they just want restrictions lifted.

The second situation is that it clears the road for Avigan. The idea that Fujifilm is reliable and on top of the game means you should take Avigan, because the government is invested in rolling that out asap. This is very clever marketing from Fujifilm - Avigan has it's own problems and hospitals are successfully using a variety of treatments, so Avigan's need has been debated, however, since they'll be the ones on top of PCR tests, they'll be trusted. As I said, very clever.

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Not that this matters to the rest of the world, since insane leftists in the western world have decided to use the "virus" as a political battering ram, but I'm sure the notion of safety will help Japan at least get back on their feet quicker (and maybe convince the regional governments to stop being little Hitlers).
One can hope.
 
I have a video to share. Showing the current situation in Cadiz.

The video is of a karen in her car screaming about how much people there is and remarking "we're all catching the virus" and "they're gonna have to lockdown till august/christmass for this!!" But. That isn't why it is making the rounds on social media. And it's not why I share it to you.



The reason why people share this video is twofold. The first is to laugh at the karen. I've seen all sorts of comments about it. It seems everyone agrees she's an idiot. Partially because everyone knows at this point lockdown is coming down like it or not, there is no going back. Partially because at this point no one really fears corona. At least not as much. Peak was flattened. Emergency was beaten. Hospital works fine. Even if we fail, we already won, and people know it. It's just a case of reopening gradually. And the gradual part is mostly due to the denser areas. Cadiz will be fine. Our squadron has gotten out of the fogbank, and what's left of the enemy can't beat us anymore.

The second reason. Is, well. People are noticing the same thing I talked about yesterday. The karen remarks "there's not this many people exercizing on the beach even in summer!!!" And she's right. Coronavirus has changed us for the better. I guess its true hardship makes you stronger. The people of cadiz are doing more exercize than ever. Have formed more intercommunal groups to take care of each other than ever. Are sharing information faster and farther than ever. If one of us has a problem. Even if it takes half the town to get to someone with a good sollution. It will be solved. Because we're more connected than ever. The lockdown has bore the best and worst in us. And let us choose how to proceed. And people have answered with kindness, and intelligence, and cooperation. We are better people than we were 2 months ago. I like where miss corona's wild ride took us in the end. It's just a pity we couldn't get there without her.

Even in the hospital. Sure they're still debating over the fuck vein vs capilar blood, and I haven't managed to convince them to drop the pipettes... I think I give up on that one. But shit is being solved much faster than usual. And with far less fighting. And we also have more and more jokes with time. So let me get to that:

Today, we recieved a crate of solid masks that have their own ventilator. Used for like the most hazmat shit in the past. Now being rolled to most hospitals as they are reusable so long as you change the filter. They are big, solid and make noise. So people have titled them "vader masks", funny thing is. This isn't just us. I've seen the paperwork where the directives explained what PPE to use for what patients and even they use the term. I just love how everyone got it so fast.

Overall. We really are going to a new normal. And it is a better one. It's a pity A3media didn't get the memmo, but, we can just leave them behind.
 
Getting real sick of all the virtue signaling going on with the stupid masks lately, and the attitude of the people lucky enough to get to stay home and be totally unaffected.

Found out today that my own mother has actually diagnosed herself with asthma in her mid-sixties so she can go out and scream and attack and try to shame people for "trying to murder her" and "wanting her dead" because they want to get back to work and not lose their job, house, business, whatever.

This is just getting ridiculous.
 
Current death toll world wide is 0.0034789224812012487% or 0.003% at the time I type this. Swine flu killed more and infected more people, but luckily we didn't have WHO being paid off by China to tell governments to lock us down for our "safety" and were told to the sensible thing of washing our hands with soap and go about our daily lives.
That's by comparing calculated numbers after the swine flu pandemic with very incomplete numbers from what is possibly the middle of the pandemic. The supposed Wuflu death toll in the US has already surpassed the calculated swine flu pandemic death toll, so most likely it will end up quite a bit higher.
 
Because perhaps social distancing and quarantines are working?


Not sure how relevant mom&pop shop are to finland. Majority are chain stores.


For people not dying? What kinda fucking stupid question is that?


I dont even understand how this is anyway relevant.

when did this thread become #OpenAmericaNow thread?
When did America = Finland? I was talking about Canada, anyways.

People are getting their buinesses either ready for reopening, or they are shuttering and heading to the bank for a bankrupcy. How many people are going to be able to afford going to these chain stores when 30 million + people are out of work?

How is keeping an area with few infections closed going to help at this point? How long are you and yours willing to eat debt? You do realize that all the Trumpbux has to come from somewhere right? You need taxes to be able to use taxes to help people. From the way you talk, you must be getting full pay through this, or your a NEET to begin with.
 
What would happen without these restrictions? I bet my money on what virologists and scientsists have been saying all this time; More infections, more hospitalizations, curve no longer flattened and hospitals run out of room.

Fortunately we have a control for that.

UK, Spain, France: full lockdowns and deeply invasive intervention into personal life, with massive economic damage.

Sweden: minimal intervention, voluntarily-observed social distancing, no lockdowns. Same curve.

(Denmark is Denmark. I just put that in there so the Danes could continue to feel smug about their northern neighbour.)

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And here's the same graph with the US for good measure. Notice how similar the curve is again. There aren't any confidence intervals on here, but I would suspect the difference is statistically insignificant.

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The evidence is increasingly clear that these lockdowns are not the cause of all this curve flattening. The infection was already widespread and would, based on the behaviour of previous Coronavirus infections, have followed this curve regardless of any intervention.
 
Are there any? People not dying, that is. Is there even a scrap of evidence to suggest that the shutdown has saved even a single life? The majority of cases are people who have been isolating anyways, the majority of deaths are people who were so loaded with complications they were rolling the dice every time they go outside anyways, and the majority of data coming out in the past few weeks suggest that the vast majority of infections are completely absent from the majority of data because the majority of data requires symptoms before you can get tested.

Every now and then I see some doomers complaining about the lack of proper trials for one thing or another, or the lack of a control group when looking at a promising treatment that is showing results. Well I'm going to go ahead and call out the lack of a control group from the doomer treatment of world shutdown. So we are going to need an earth to go through this with 0 shutdown before you can suggest that a single person has not died because of the shutdown. And it'll need to be a double blind as well, because, ya know, placebo effect. (Actually in my neck of the woods the lockdown may as well be a placebo. They keep reopening businesses that never shut down in the first place.)
At this point, anyone who suggests that continued lockdowns will continue until there is a 0% chance of getting infected needs to go the the tailor and get their jackboots and Gestapo uniform fitted.
 
Fortunately we have a control for that.

UK, Spain, France: full lockdowns and deeply invasive intervention into personal life, with massive economic damage.

Sweden: minimal intervention, voluntarily-observed social distancing, no lockdowns. Same curve.

(Denmark is Denmark. I just put that in there so the Danes could continue to feel smug about their northern neighbour.)

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And here's the same graph with the US for good measure. Notice how similar the curve is again. There aren't any confidence intervals on here, but I would suspect the difference is statistically insignificant.

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The evidence is increasingly clear that these lockdowns are not the cause of all this curve flattening. The infection was already widespread and would, based on the behaviour of previous Coronavirus infections, have followed this curve regardless of any intervention.

That is fallacious. It isn't an accurate depiction.

Let me be clear here. I'm not on either extreme. As I keep having to remind people. But point is. Well first off I want that graf but for monthly deviation in deaths (all causes), per capita, that'd be way more informative. But that aside. Population density was always one of the most decisive factors in this.

Sweeden should've never locked down as hard as Italy or Spain. Actually not even all of Italy and Spain should've done that. But sweeden's denser areas should have locked down harder than they did.

Because sweeden is semi rural. It therefore was never going to suffer as much as Italy and Spain. At least... It shouldn't have. It should've been closer to, well, denmark, finland, etc. And yet. They have reached our stats. Despite not having anything close to madrid and barcelona. This is actually worrying. And if the intel we keep getting is true. It's far from the only worrying part of how they handled this.

Lockdowns have done their jobs in some areas. Madrid and Barcelona would've been fucked without them. Although I do think we overdid the lockdown, we should've started closing gradually earlier and not close as hard when we did. And we also shouldn't have closed all of spain like this. Cadiz didn't even have a point in locking down. Or well at least it didn't until they took all our PPE and ventilators. Then it became quite needed to counter the stupidity of being left with no PPE. But point is. They should've been applied by density.

Sweeden should've locked a bit more. Australia should've locked a lot less. Texas and Michigan had no reason to lock at all. Etc. It's not something you can simplify.

Overall. The lockdowns did flatten the curve in some areas. And they successfully stopped the healthcare system from collapsing over here. And for that I am thankful. But they cannot erradicate the virus, and once the collapse won't happen, it's time to open up.

But the curve is defined by density. It is also affected by culture. And by percentage of multigeneration homes. And many other factors. Actually there's even a study that's starting to question if as opposed to spreading in cold like the flu Corona actually spreads less in cold regions. And that is why as the summer comes russia is starting to get hit while now that in spain we've gotten a very cold air current it seems inhibited. In which case sweeden should've looked even better.

Calling for lockdown lift because of the curve is stupid. Calling for lockdown stays because of the curve moronic. It is relative. The question is, can your healthcare system take it. Because so long as it can, then gradual measures to stop a big spike might be warranted but large lockdowns are pointless. If it can't. Then you should lock. Let's please not pollarize into extremes like this.

Britain should've started locking london earlier. Britain also had no fucking reason to lock down scotland outside of maybe banning some specific mass gatherings temporarily. Going to one extreme, pointing at scotland and screeming at lockdown evil is as dumb as going to the other and pointing at london and screaming lockdown good. Lockdown is lockdown. It's not good or evil. Guns don't kill people.
 
Because sweeden is semi rural. It therefore was never going to suffer as much as Italy and Spain.
That's not really true. By far the vast majority of Sweden's population lives in Stockholm, Malmö and Göteborg, and in a few smaller, but relatively densely populated towns, with only about 15% of the population inhabiting the rest of the country, and most of those in the south. Sweden is only semi-rural if you average its whole population across its entire land area, but most of that land area is quite literally empty - just forest, and wolves, and the occasional Lap fucking a reindeer.

The difference of infection rates is cultural, though, I'll grant you that. The majority of infected in Sweden are cultural enrichers, who don't share the natives disdain for proximity with others and don't know how to wash their hands.

Given the current knowledge of how early the chinese disease was spreading in Europe (early as December in France, November in Sweden, anecdotally similar dates in Italy, UK and Germany), I'm now firmly of the opinion that the lockdowns were entirely pointless. The disease was already widespread before christmas, the vast majority of carriers are asymptomatic, and what we're seeing now is the final play-out of it as it burns out of the population, just like SARS and MERS before.

The lockdowns didn't flatten shit.
 
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