The Mysterious Mr. Enter / Jonathan Rozanski's "Growing Around" - IndieGoGo Campaign Failed, John going off the deep end, "Turning Red" is ignorant about 9/11 (later retracted)

[Petronella]

Any other time, John would be reeing if any other showrunner or writer said they didn't have to have any internal logic to their show because it's just a cartoon.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

I legitimately cannot think of another show that just expects you to buy their premise without even a tiny bit of world building. The most “cartoon logic” they tend to get is the existence of magic or animals being able to talk.
Even Phineas and Ferb has fun with it by constantly going
“isn’t that impossible?”
“Probably.”

I think the only bonkers show I can think of that does this is Pee Wee’s playhouse and other stuff for little little kids

Ren and Stimpy kind of does that, since every episode places them in a different situation, some where they're living together, some where they're homeless, and some where they're space explorers. The show gets away with it though since it's more in line with old Looney Tunes shorts, where the importance was placed on the characters and their personalities. It doesn't matter that Ren and Stimpy are suddenly space explorers, what matters is how their personalities clash with the current situation. Worldbuilding isn't so much the focus for a show that's intentionally ridiculous.

Enter's not trying to do that though. He's trying to make a cohesive world and gets frustrated when people point out that it makes no sense.

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

also, mini rant: At 1:53:30 in the third live stream Enter gets super pissed off after being asked about the premise for like the 30th time and flat out says “it’s because it’s a cartoon!”

then he starts listing off rhetorical questions to prove his point. Only they were all awful and I found myself verbally answering them out of annoyance.

“why is there a talking sponge that lives in a pineapple under the sea?!”

Me: Because it takes place under Bikini Atoll, a site where several nuclear experiments were conducted and all the fish are radiated.

“How does a Samurai get flung into the distant future?”

Me: As the intro explains: he was winning a fight against a demon and the demon created a portal to send him to a time when he rules so he has a better chance at comic out victorious.

Ironically, he his autism crew was too stupid to even understand what he was going on about, until one of the sped girls tries to do the same with anime, and again picks bad examples like-

“Why is one boy missing a leg and the other is in a suit of armor”

Me: Full Metal Alchemist involves a failed experiment and the entire series is about them trying to find a way fix that experiment.

“Why does a girl fight evil with the help of a talking cat?”

Me: Because the cat is tasked with finding girls who have potential to battle, that’s explained early on in all magical girl shows.

I know these people are autistic, but when they can’t even grasp the basic plot of shows they claim to love, how can they expect to create anything?

As usual, Mr. E completely misunderstands his critics. When they talk about how his premise doesn't make sense, Enter assumes they mean "This fictional thing can't exist in real life, therefore it bad." This autistic simplification gives him a ton of ammo to deflect the critics entirely. But the nuance of these concerns isn't "Their reality doesn't make sense to me," but "Their reality shouldn't make sense to them." I don't really care about what cartoony things exists or why they exist. I just care about how all the characters respond to these cartoony things existing, and in "Growing Around," all the adults respond to their own children dominating them by... being complacent and accepting their constant humiliation... despite being much bigger and hypothetically much stronger and wiser than their sugar-crazed children... and the adults who don't have children yet, despite knowing the decades of abuse they'll be in for if they do it, continue to have children anyway.... and if there's really nothing they can do about children ruling the world, none of the adults ever think to commit suicide after seeing all their power, authority, substantial impact on the world and purpose in life be torn away forever right when they're mature enough to make the most of such things? When you boil it down, this is ultimately more of a character problem than a world problem.

Alas, despite all evidence to the contrary, Mr. E will keep insisting the adults are NOT stupid and the children are NOT assholes.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I'll use the tired KND example again: Why have none of the adults invented spanking yet?

There's an entire villain in KND based around spanking, Count Spankula.

... not that you're wrong about the rest, but I gotta be that guy.

Although I think the biggest problem, really, is that Enter doesn't understand WHICH questions can be answered with "it's just a cartoon". To him, the dividing line is simply whether or not he, personally, is interested in the answer. Sometimes it doesn't really require an explanation. Why is Spongebob a talking sponge? Because he just is, don't worry about it. But when your concept is all about the sooper sirius implications of the role reversal in the GA world, it becomes a lot harder to do that. You can refuse to have the show address where babies comes from, and how medical emergencies are handled, and what happens in a natural disaster... but you can't answer one and expect people not to ask about the others.

 

[LiquidKid]

Ren and Stimpy kind of does that, since every episode places them in a different situation, some where they're living together, some where they're homeless, and some where they're space explorers. The show gets away with it though since it's more in line with old Looney Tunes shorts, where the importance was placed on the characters and their personalities. It doesn't matter that Ren and Stimpy are suddenly space explorers, what matters is how their personalities clash with the current situation. Worldbuilding isn't so much the focus for a show that's intentionally ridiculous.

Enter's not trying to do that though. He's trying to make a cohesive world and gets frustrated when people point out that it makes no sense.

The difference is that Ren and Stimpy is heavily inspired by the Chuck Jones/Tex Avery style of animation where the characters were treated as actors in their shorts rather than keeping a consistent canon. In fact, you could argue that it didn’t need to explain why they also had different settings and jobs because the show is called “The Ren & Stimpy Show” implying that it’s a show. Something that is later given light when it’s revealed that Ren and Stimpy are actually actors in a tv show. There’s even an episode where it’s revealed that Stimpy isn’t stupid and just plays dumb and breaks character when the sidekick union goes on strike

There's an entire villain in KND based around spanking, Count Spankula.

... not that you're wrong about the rest, but I gotta be that guy.

Although I think the biggest problem, really, is that Enter doesn't understand WHICH questions can be answered with "it's just a cartoon". To him, the dividing line is simply whether or not he, personally, is interested in the answer. Sometimes it doesn't really require an explanation. Why is Spongebob a talking sponge? Because he just is, don't worry about it. But when your concept is all about the sooper sirius implications of the role reversal in the GA world, it becomes a lot harder to do that. You can refuse to have the show address where babies comes from, and how medical emergencies are handled, and what happens in a natural disaster... but you can't answer one and expect people not to ask about the others.

No, in KND canon, kids created adults to be their servants until one of them got tired of the abuse and invented spanking to force the kids in line.

 

[LiquidKid]

Congratulations on sitting through all that in such a short period of time. Even I had to stagger it out considerably as the tag teaming of Enter and Ava put great strain on my patience.

It’s been a fair while since I listened to them myself, were there any other highlights that i missed?

I forget which stream it was because the only thing that makes them different is the amount of autistic voices you hear(and him making the GA character in the sims 3 during the fourth one), but chat asked about flip flopped and he straight lies and claims that “everyone had this idea, I’m just the first one to take it seriously” totally pretending that he didn’t steal it after watching that

 

[BlueCandle]

I rewatched some of them recently and I noticed that Enter and his posse has some weird thing where they seem to think it’s the viewers job to come up with a reason for something to work in this universe. For example, they get a donor question asking how grandparents work and Enter just says something along the lines of ‘write fan fiction and I might consider making it canon’. Same happened when another guy asked if parents can hold jobs like kids would have in our world. Is the dude so creatively bankrupt he needs other people to explain how stuff works in his show.

Also the endless asspats Enter gets from his assistants on stream is really annoying. As well is Ava’s fake laugh and that chick with the really low volume microphone.

 

[coach_mclurk]

Same happened when another guy asked if parents can hold jobs like kids would have in our world.

If Enter doesn't throw in a joke about a small chinese restaurant cashier being an adult, he has no balls.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

I forget which stream it was because the only thing that makes them different is the amount of autistic voices you hear(and him making the GA character in the sims 3 during the fourth one), but chat asked about flip flopped and he straight lies and claims that “everyone had this idea, I’m just the first one to take it seriously” totally pretending that he didn’t steal it after watching that

Lolwut? He says in the Flip-Flopped review that he was going to take the idea (as well as the idea for Too Many Robots, but that one seems to have fallen through), and that review is still on his channel and archived by others. In his first post about Growing Around, he states outright that it's a remake of Flip-Flopped.

He can't deny that this is where he took the idea from when we have him admitting that in multiple places. Sure he's in the clear copyright-wise since even Disney didn't care enough about this project to renew the license on it, but it's pretty absurd that he thinks he can lie about where the idea came from and get away with it.

 

[tamago]

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"Why isn't anyone asking me questions?"
(Someone asks a question)
"I don't know... too hard to give an answer"

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Lolwut? He says in the Flip-Flopped review that he was going to take the idea (as well as the idea for Too Many Robots, but that one seems to have fallen through), and that review is still on his channel and archived by others. In his first post about Growing Around, he states outright that it's a remake of Flip-Flopped.
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He can't deny that this is where he took the idea from when we have him admitting that in multiple places. Sure he's in the clear copyright-wise since even Disney didn't care enough about this project to renew the license on it, but it's pretty absurd that he thinks he can lie about where the idea came from and get away with it.

"[...]to make it...not creepy."

"We don't have any of the personality details down yet"

Failed on both counts there, chief.

 

[MysticMisty]

I cannot get over just how many pointless characters there are in this show, it’s absolutely ludicrous to have so many recurring characters in a cartoon’s first season. Kids are going to lose their patience real quick.

He's blatantly copying the most recent My Little Pony series and it's extensive cast of background characters that became as popular as the main characters. Only he's going off the assumption that his "background" characters will be immediately just as beloved and to give them all starring episodes. He doesn't realize either that Hasbro had no idea certain background characters would catch on: it was pure dumb luck it happened. This is less a case of autism and more of over inflated ego for Enter to assume everyone will love all these characters, let alone like the show at all.

Or does Enter actually not see Sally as annoying?

In his own words Sally is "NOT AN ASSHOLE", so, no he doesn't.

 

[Overcooked Raccoon]

If Enter doesn't throw in a joke about a small chinese restaurant cashier being an adult, he has no balls.

He should honestly be hiring you to write his stuff because this joke had more in it then all of GA as a whole.

 

[Antipathy]

He should honestly be hiring you to write his stuff because this joke had more in it then all of GA as a whole.

Considering Enter's current staff and self, it's unsurprising that we on the Kiwi Farms could make something that gives GA a run for its money in literally every possible aspect.

 

[Tragedy of the Senate]

He's blatantly copying the most recent My Little Pony series and it's extensive cast of background characters that became as popular as the main characters. Only he's going off the assumption that his "background" characters will be immediately just as beloved and to give them all starring episodes. He doesn't realize either that Hasbro had no idea certain background characters would catch on: it was pure dumb luck it happened. This is less a case of autism and more of over inflated ego for Enter to assume everyone will love all these characters, let alone like the show at all.

What Enter also fails to realise is that well, those are side and background characters. Characters who have the occasional episodes, but not nearly enough to rival the main characters. In Growing Around, the Dunn family should be the focus, but only Sally and Max are given any kind of focus. Robert and Autumn, the other two main characters, do nothing. There are more episodes focused on April, Molly and Anna than Robert or Autumn.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

 

[FluffyTehFennekin]

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Looks like a mourning dove to me

 

[Antipathy]

Looks like a mourning dove to me

It looks like a bird. Is Enter trying to become some amateur naturalist?

 

[andr0id psycho sho(ker]

It looks like a bird. Is Enter trying to become some amateur naturalist?

No, he's just finding new ways to procrastinate instead of Muy vidya and muy wrist

 

[The Last Stand]

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Buy a bird book, Enter.