Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[weegrumpy]

Ladies and gentlemen. I just got an explanation for the pippettes. Remember how I told you the guy in charge was a blood doctor (hematologo in spanish. No clue how you call that in english)?

Well that was only half true. The blood doctor is in charge on paper, and is the bureaucrat behind this. But had not even gone to the hospital these days. The guy we talked to and who is leading this shit boots on the ground, and the guy having so luch trouble... Is a docor in preemptive medicine.

I don't know how other countries handle that. But here in spain, preemptive medicine doctors are a subtype of LEGAL DOCTORS specialized in risk assessment and microbe control. That is to say their actual degree is in LAW and then at the PHD level they get it in laboral risks, which has some epidemiology and basic biology, but is mostly about, well, prevention and risk assessment.

We got a fucking LAWYER doing the tests and people wonder why he's having so much trouble! I'm laughing my ass off at these news. Holy fuck. This explains so much!

EDIT:


I'd still say that when I look at the difference between asturias and Galicia (and Scotland), which are similar to sweeden. They are doing much better than sweeden. And stockholm is nowhere near as dense as madrid or barcelona. So I'd expect a sweeden that did lock down to some degree to look more like asturias, galicia, finland, denmark, scotland etc. Meanwhile it's actually looking like spain as a whole, and iraly as a whole, which is much, much, much worse than that.

I still say we did absolutely overdo the lockdowns, specially in galicia and asturias. They're getting an economic hit much harder than they should. But you know. The happy medium should've been applied in both sides.

The English for blood doc is haematology consult, who I found out today doesn't like doing the remote consult, I said to my colleague that I was worried about my job because of the remote appointments. but she said the same thing and that's what the consultant said.
they can't examine the patients, and the O.S isn't enough, and pulling up different apps and screens.
now let me have a wee rant! I was coming to Spain in September for holiday, but I heard no countries are going to let U.K folks in coz of our high numbers RRRRRREEEEEE.
sorry bout that lol

 

[Niggaplease]

how am I supposed to stimulate the economy with out my stimulus check? these mad dawgs 20/20 and grillz won't by themselves.

 

[weegrumpy]

So correct me if I'm wrong:
-40 year old guy is 350 pounds and has type two diabetes and a family history of heart problems
-Guy gets coof
-Stress on body from coof causes guy's heart to finally explode
-Guy dies of heart attack that was likely going to happen sometime in the next couple years anyway, but because he had coof in his system, he's recorded as dying from coof
-Media reports that coof causes heart attacks in people in their 40s and no one know why
-Someone comes on the Farms and posts the article that says coof causes heart attacks in people in their 40s and tells us we're all exceptional and gay for thinking we're not going to die

How close am I?

pretty close matey! if the patient has a greater B.M.|I over 30 chances are he'll suffocate under his weight. would have to be nursed prone face down. can't remember the source. just finished work and working on getting pished

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Interesting article about the difference in fatalities in Norway vs. Sweden here.

''– Det er mulig at Norge kunne hatt et høyere antall registrerte dødsfall om vi regnet som i Sverige, sa Trine Hessevik Paulsen, lege i Folkehelseinstituttet, til Svenska Dagbladet.''

Translated:
"- It is possible that Norway could have had a higher number of registered deaths if we counted as in Sweden," Trine Hessevik Paulsen, a doctor at the Institute of Public Health, told Svenska Dagbladet.''

According to the article, if you die of, for example, a heart attack in Norway but have also tested positive for COVID-19, you don't necessarily get reported as having died of COVID-19.
In Sweden, everybody who has tested positive for the virus and subsequently dies, is reported as having died due to COVID-19. It's checked against the public directory.

Something I've been saying for a while, there is no common way of counting the number of people who died of the virus. Countries, states, counties, cities, hospitals, even individual doctors can have different rubrics for how a death is recorded.

We analyze death rates after the fact and make inferences that are heavily influenced by whoever is counting the numbers. If someone wants to make it look like Spanish Flu wiped out 20 million people, they can do that. If they want to make it look like starvation was a factor accounting for 25% of that number, they can do that.

You don't get data about death. You get stories. What you learn from those stories depends on the teller.

Here's the reality: no one knows what is actually killing people at what rates. There is a plague, there's also people not getting necessary medical treatment for other conditions, there's also people who were in bad shape to begin with, there's also people offing themselves out of despair, there's also people getting other diseases that look kind of like WuFlu who are dying because people are shit scared.

If you think you can count on numbers, consider the projections for death rates. They went from 1% - 2% of the world's population, to a few hundred million, to a few hundred thousand. All in a couple months. How is it experts who are so wrong on the front end can be considered so right on the back end? They are all a bunch of liars propped up by the media / corporate interests / the government to make you feel panicked. They want to control how you feel, not how healthy you are.

It's not that there's no truth to what they are saying, it's that they are only sharing a portion of the truth required to get you to do what they tell you. It's not always in your interests.

 

[Lurker69]

Bloomberg of all places posted this bit of news:

http://archive.li/7efU7

The Next Covid Crisis Could Be a Wave of Suicides

The isolation, grief and economic hardship related to Covid-19 are creating a mental health crisis in the U.S. that researchers warn could make the already-rising suicide rate worse.


A study released Friday tried to quantify the toll. The paper, which was not peer-reviewed, found that over the next decade as many as 75,000 additional people could die from “deaths of despair” as a result of the coronavirus crisis, a term that refers to suicides and substance-abuse-related deaths. The research was done by the Well Being Trust and researchers affiliated with the American Academy of Family Physicians.

I'll admit that I'm not a US mental health expert, but with your population numbers, I think that 75k extra deaths from suicides and overdoses could be plausible. I think that not enough people talk about the negative effects these lockdowns have on people's mental health(some have mentioned it in this thread though).
A lot of mental illnesses get worse when you're sitting at home all day. We already have stats of drug and alcohol use going up, domestic abuse is up. 14,7% of Americans are unemployed as of right now and I don't think that all of the jobs will come back right away, even if the US opened up everything right now. Things are looking pretty bleak for the economy right now.
I used to be much more pro lockdown in April, but I'm rapidly changing my mind right now as this virus is slowing down worldwide. Sure, it sucks that the old and the sick are dying, but it's worse if as many extra people die due to suicides and overdoses. Lots of them won't be old people either, many of them will have their whole lives ahead of them.

 

[peanus weenus]

A lot of mental illnesses get worse when you're sitting at home all day.

Don't worry, the teddy bear dressup nintendo game is keeping all the adult americans sane.

 

[Traummaschine]

Not remotely. I didn't dismiss Denmark's numbers, I was making a joke about the scandies and their never-ending rivalry. If if wanted to dismiss them, I wouldn't have put them in to start with.

The fact remains that Sweden, doing essentially nothing, has a comparable curve to nearly every country that reports deaths in a similar way to them.

Norway, and I suspect Denmark also, doesn't report their deaths the same way as Sweden, so the comparison isn't as straight forward as you might seem to think.

Yes, you included them, but the joke implied you could basically dismiss the numbers. Which you also did by not arguing that the danish (and norwegian) numbers would be the best comparison to the swedish numbers.

And to go over the article @coolkille posted about differences in norwegian and swedish counting:
It says that the norwegian health authorities might be undercounting their numbers compared to the swedes, but it also says they believe it to be a very small difference at this point. It says they are working on a more general way of counting. Also, it says that the swedes are supposedly counting everyone who dies (of natural deaths I assume) who is registered as infected is counted as dead by Wuflu, which is most likely beyond what every other country does, since most other countries won't have such lists to cross reference to begin with.

 

[The Curmudgeon]

What is a good, reliable source about coronavirus? I'd really like to know. Also, just for shits and giggles, here's a mea culp article I want to share just for fun:

https://archive.vn/wip/Ucxk3

The NYPD Arrested 40 People on Social Distancing Violations. 35 Were Black.

A police officer enforcing social-distancing rules broke up a group of people on a stoop during a nighttime cookout in East New York, Brooklyn, punching one man in the face. Another dispute between officers and residents of the same predominantly black neighborhood over the guidelines led to a man being knocked unconscious. Days later, three men were arrested after taking part in a sprawling vigil at the Queensbridge Houses for a rapper who was said to have died of the coronavirus.

Tensions are increasingly flaring in black and Hispanic neighborhoods over officers’ enforcement of social-distancing rules, leading some prominent elected officials to charge that the New York Police Department is engaging in a racist double standard as it struggles to shift to a public health role in the coronavirus crisis.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Yes, you included them, but the joke implied you could basically dismiss the numbers.

No, you inferred that. I'm not responsible for your lack of cultural awareness.

 

[CeleryStalks]

Michigan, USA

The judge has been selected and dates and deadlines set, in the Republican-controlled legislature's lawsuit against Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D). Governor Whitmer's legal team must file their response by May 12. Oral arguments will be heard May 15. The judge is Cynthia [Stephens], a light-skinned Black woman appointed by Governor Jennifer Granholm (D), who has ruled in favor of Whitmer twice and in favor of the legislature once in cases in the last two years.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/08/judge-set-hear-arguments-may-15-michigan-legislature-whitmer-lawsuit/3096368001/

(archive)
[Edits for spelling, above, and clarity, below]

Protestants who filed a lawsuit against Governor Whitmer over infringing religious freedom are putting the lawsuit on hold, as her newest order grants the desired exemption. The previous order exempted the owners of places of worship from misdemeanor charges for holding services, but said nothing about those attending said services. The newest order extends the exemption to those "engaging in or traveling to engage in religious worship at a place of religious worship."

Churches pause federal lawsuit against Whitmer after most recent order

A group of churches paused a federal lawsuit after Gov. Gretchen Whitmer issued a new executive order that exempted churches, synagogues, mosques and places of religious worship

www.detroitnews.com

(archive)

Article on hydroxochloroquine, from a left-wing paper. Some doctors think it's good to use, some think it's useless.

Treatment and trials go on, but Michigan doctors split on coronavirus drug

Hydroxychloroquine was touted early on as possible treatment for COVID-19 patients, but a growing body of research points to possibly deadly side effects.

www.freep.com

(archive)

While we're on the subject, have an update on a lawsuit I don't think I mentioned before.
Three candidates for political office vs. Governor Whitmer. On the grounds that her stay-at-home order impairs their ability to collect the needed signatures to run for office. Originally filed around April 1(?). (archive).
U.S. District Judge Terrence Berg orders Michigan to extend deadline from April 21 to May 8, to cut required number of signatures by 50%, and to allow electronic signature gathering. April 20 thru 25 (archive).
U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals rules that while Michigan needs to change something, the court does not have the authority to say exactly what, May 5 (archive).

The State of Michigan has decided to voluntarily abide by the District court's orders.

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/05/signatures-required-to-run-for-some-offices-in-michigan-reduced.html

(archive)

I suspect we'll see a record number of governors voted out next cycle.

Governor Whitmer is up for reelection in 2022. I did see that someone is working on a recall petition, but it hasn't been finalized yet (to my knowledge), and that would take about 1.06 million signatures in 60 days just to get on the next general ballot.

Spoiler: Michigan Recap

SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN
Shelter-in-place order from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. Friday, May 1, Friday, May 15, May 28 May 1, maybe? (archive) (executive order saved on KF) . The Republican-controlled legislature has refused to extend Governor Whitmer's emergency authority. Governor Whitmer insists her emergency orders are all still in effect (Rundown on the laws).
State attorney general Dana Nessel (D) is also leaving enforcement of the stay-at-home order to local discretion until the courts weigh in on it (archive). She has stated Governor Whitmer's orders are valid and are to be enforced (archive).
State senate leader Mike Shirkey (R) is not recommending that people disobey Governor Whitmer's executive orders. The legislature has filed a lawsuit against the governor (archive). Mr. Shirkey is also supporting a petition drive to change the law. Such a petition would require 340,047 signatures to be collected by May 27th. It would be veto-proof if approved by the legislature, and would go on the November ballot if denied by them (archive 1, archive 2, archive 3).
The legislature is not calling for civil disobedience at this time (archive).
U. S. Rep Paul Mitchell (R - The Thumb) has filed a lawsuit independently against Governor Whitmer, in federal district court. Link, pdf on KF.
There are at least six other lawsuits against portions or the entirety of the shut-down order, in various stages of progress and in various courts (summary of eight lawsuits). However, "all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings" are suspended until the end of the states of emergency and disaster. Executive order, and thus in limbo. (archive).

OTHER SHUTDOWNS
Recap from NPR
Major protest at the State Capitol April 15 (A&N thread). Minor protest outside Governor's Mansion April 23 (archive). Protest at the State Capitol April 30 (A&N Thread).
The Big Three Auto manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler) have closed all factories in the USA, putting well over 150,000 workers out of work. This figure does not include workers at supplier factories, which were also obliged to close. (archive) (archive) (archive). Auto manufacturing expected to resume May 18. (archive)

ECONOMY AND MISCELLANY
Over 1 million unemployment claims filed = 10% of the total population of the state, nearly 25% of the workforce (Archive - April 16).
Big Brother is watching, and he approves. Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel down by 45%, compared to 40% nation-wide (website) (news article archive).
Car crashes are down, fatal car crashes are down, and overall death is actually down. (archive - April 12)

FREE STUFF!
Evictions suspended while the state of emergency lasts (archive) Executive order. May or may not still be valid.
Water will be turned back on for all households while the crisis lasts (archive) Executive order. May or may not still be valid.

HEALTH CARE
Hydroxychloroquine banned by governor's order (archive). Nevermind LOL! Now she's asking the federal government for it and claiming the ban was a mistake in the first place. (archive). Detroit-area hospitals are testing the drug's effectiveness as a preventative on first responders and health-care workers (archive).
Elective surgeries are banned. Maybe? Who knows. If/when in effect, abortions were not included in the ban (thread).
At any rate, hospitals are resuming elective surgeries.
Up-to-date count of available hospital beds, etc. in the State (the Detroit area is "Section 2, North and South.")(government website)
State of affairs May 5 - about half as many hospitalized cases and ICU cases as on April 12 (archive).
Detroit field hospital, capacity 1,000, closed. Never had many more than 20 at any time. (archive, May 7).

LAW AND ORDER
All localities given more discretion to release prisoners early (archive). It was an executive order. Who knows if it's still valid?
Lansing (the capitol) police are not physically responding to minor crimes such as larceny, property damage, and break-ins to unoccupied buildings, including garages. Other police are adopting similar policies (archive) (archive).
Detroit shootings up, but most other crime down (archive - April 30); Muskegon police report crime is up (archive).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $1500 fines and 90 days jail time. (Still valid???) Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive).
The police cannot, at present, pull drivers over simply for being out during the shutdown (archive). Local police in the rural north and in Detroit suburbs have alike stated they will not be enforcing parts of the order (archive).

OFFICIAL DEATH TOLL

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services reviews deaths and adds overlooked cases to the count three days a week: Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.
38 deaths were added yesterday.

There was something unusual with the numbers today. I monitor some categories out of personal interest that I do not report here, and one of them has one fewer total death today than yesterday. According to the local website, it was a local error that was corrected.

Regular reviews of death certificate data maintained in Vital Records reporting systems are conducted by MDHHS staff three times per week. As a part of this process, records that identify COVID-19 infection as a contributing factor to death are compared against all laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the Michigan Disease Surveillance System (MDSS). If a death certificate is matched to a confirmed COVID-19 case and that record in the MDSS does not indicate the individual died, the MDSS record is updated to indicate the death and the appropriate local health department is notified. These matched deaths are then included with mortality information posted to the Michigan Coronavirus website.

Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000 total; 1,796/sq. mi.; 694/sq km):*

31,451 confirmed / 3,515 dead
31,167 confirmed / 3,479 dead yesterday
(i.e. 36 new deaths, down 4 from this day last week)
Normal Detroit Metro Death Rate: 104 per day.**

Other Michigan (6,120,000; 65/sq. mi.; 25/sq km):

14,875 confirmed / 878 dead
14,479 confirmed / 864 dead yesterday
(i.e. 14 new deaths, down 23 from this day last week)
Normal not-Detroit Death Rate: 167 per day**

All Michigan (9,990,000; 103/sq. mi.; 40/sq km):

46,326 confirmed / 4,393 dead
45,646 confirmed / 4,343 dead yesterday
(i.e. 50 new deaths, down 27 from this day last week)
Normal Michigan Death Rate: 271 per day.**

Death toll doubled since: April 16.
We have been (were?) locked down since: March 24 (until April 30?),
Masks have been mandatory in stores since: April 27 (until April 30?).

Detroit Metro Daily Deaths Last Seven Days:
133*** / 29 / 51^ / 35*** / 45 / 70*** / 36 = 394***

State Government site, daily - today's archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - today's archive.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state and federal prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in categories of their own.
** As of 2018.
*** 75, 8, and 38 statewide deaths, respectively, were added on these days upon State review. Presumably most were in Detroit, but I don't know exactly how many.
^Software problems caused a delayed count on this day.
One Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).
One Flint security guard allegedly murdered for telling a woman that her daughter needed to wear a mask in a dollar store (archive, A&N thread).

 

[mindlessobserver]

Every time I see a picture of a health-care worker crossing their arms and staring down the protestors, i want to shove my head in an oven

You would be better served shoving the photographer into an oven instead.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I don't know how other countries handle that. But here in spain, preemptive medicine doctors are a subtype of LEGAL DOCTORS specialized in risk assessment and microbe control. That is to say their actual degree is in LAW and then at the PHD level they get it in laboral risks, which has some epidemiology and basic biology, but is mostly about, well, prevention and risk assessment.

We got a fucking LAWYER doing the tests and people wonder why he's having so much trouble! I'm laughing my ass off at these news. Holy fuck. This explains so much!

That sounds like legitimately the worst person to be in charge of testing. Do you think he was telling people to pipette out of safety concerns?

You forgot the part where they call us all science-deniers and accuse us of "thinking [we] know more than epidemiologists!" for dissecting an article by exceptional journofag fear-mongers.

Don't you know how to science? The principle of good science is to never ever collect more evidence, never analyze anything, and always believe the first thing you see, especially if it came from some kind of authority figure.

What's depressing about it is the way the journalists hyped the Ferguson prediction as The Science because it was the most dramatic and if it bleeds it leads. And then denounced everyone who pointed to any other science as an Evil Denier of The Science. So now we've burned our economy to the ground.

And yet in the UK those same people fear mongered hard against Brexit on the grounds it would cause an economic meltdown. Even though the lockdown meltdown is infinitely worse than the hit the UK took from Brexit.

It's like in January having any sort of customs check on cross channel trade would cause an economic meltdown but in March putting the majority of the population on 23-hour lockdown with one hour a day to shop or exercise under threat of fines couldn't possibly have any effect on the economy,

This shit is legitimately maddening.

A lot of mental illnesses get worse when you're sitting at home all day. We already have stats of drug and alcohol use going up, domestic abuse is up. 14,7% of Americans are unemployed as of right now and I don't think that all of the jobs will come back right away, even if the US opened up everything right now. Things are looking pretty bleak for the economy right now.
I used to be much more pro lockdown in April, but I'm rapidly changing my mind right now as this virus is slowing down worldwide. Sure, it sucks that the old and the sick are dying, but it's worse if as many extra people die due to suicides and overdoses. Lots of them won't be old people either, many of them will have their whole lives ahead of them.

There's a scene in the Big Short that references the dire cost of unemployment

Is that right? It turns out it's not far off

https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/explaining-the-link-between-unemployment-deaths-amid-coronavirus/

https://archive.vn/5a4Ev

Before the economic mess this virus caused, the US unemployment rate was just 3.5 percent. In March, it rose to 4.4 percent. And there are predictions that it will go as high as 13 percent and maybe even 15 percent before people start returning to work.

So, if the calculations are correct, that 10 percentage point-plus rise in the jobless rate would cause more than 400,000 deaths that have nothing to do with the virus and everything to do with the distressed economy

And, of course, there will be a lot of financial troubles for those who don’t die. But let’s just look at just the death rate.

The actual figure in academic research is a 37,000 increase for each percentage-point rise in the unemployment rate. It comes from a book called “Corporate Flight: The Causes and Consequences of Economic Dislocation” by Barry Bluestone, Bennett Harrison and Lawrence Baker.

“Corporate Flight” was published in 1982 and mainly had to do with companies moving operations overseas. I couldn’t reach Bluestone, Harrison or Baker, but last week I was able to contact Wade Thomas, who teaches economics and business at SUNY Oneonta and who quoted those figures in his own co-written 2005 book called “Economic Issues Today: Alternative Approaches.”

Here’s the paragraph from Thomas’ book that applies: “According to one study [the one by Bluestone et al.] a 1 percent increase in the unemployment rate will be associated with 37,000 deaths [including 20,000 heart attacks], 920 suicides, 650 homicides, 4,000 state mental hospital admissions and 3,300 state prison admissions.”

Thomas says things are different today, but those old studies may help us understand the hidden problems that the coronavirus is causing.

“I would hesitate to extrapolate from the old estimates of corporate flight as a means of quantifying present circumstances,” Thomas wrote to me in an email, adding that “there are too many variables involved now to assert definitive cause and effect between unemployment and the litany of health consequences cited in the 1981 study.”

But, Thomas said, “it informs our thinking about some of the potential problems that may accompany this wave of joblessness.”

Two things are definitely different today. One, Washington acted quickly to help the unemployed. It didn’t when companies were moving overseas.

And, as I said in my last column, a great deal of those who have lost their jobs because of the virus are only being furloughed. They are scheduled to get their jobs back once companies reopen their doors.

Let’s hope that the data from 1981 is — excuse the expression — dead wrong.

I.e. it's a real study but it's old and the figure could well be different today. And we don't know what will happen when the lockdown lifts - will unemployment spring back to its 'natural' level or will there be some stickiness in the system.

Still, the fact that the figure could be as high as 37,000 deaths per percentage point should make politicians keen to lift the lockdown. Fuck it let's Ferguson this shit and hype the 37,000 per percentage point figure and claim that the 10% boost in unemployment is killing 370,000 people in the US. Which is clearly more than the likely death toll of coronavirus.

Also, it's by no means certain that the lockdown is actually preventing cases as opposed to postponing them. The original 'flatten the curve' idea the lockdown was sold on means that you spread the caseload out over a longer time to avoid overloading the health care system but you still get the same number of cases with each strategy.

And over the outbreak we've seen that non-lockdown countries and states have seen curves flatten in much the same way as lockdown ones. We haven't got any data that validates the idea that non-lockdown countries and states have a worse outbreak than lockdown ones.

I was pro lockdown on the 23rd when it happened in the UK. Looking at the daily case rate level off I'm not really convinced now. If it starts to fall over the next three weeks I'd say lift. And I'm rapidly coming round to the idea that we should lift the lockdown even it doesn't fall. Especially as by then we'll know from other countries what happens when lockdowns ease or lift.

One Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).

Every time I see that it makes my smile. Ann Arbor is a whore!

 

[The Curmudgeon]

I don't know who this asshole is or why he thinks he matters, but Gregg Gonsalves claims Trump is guilty of genocide:

 

[FatalTater]

From my lookout spot here in the midwest US, this shutdown thing is definately hurting people's mental states. Someone I know who works for the unemployment office directing calls told me that the people are stressed, cursing, crying, desperate. The crying ones upset her the most, since she can't help them except to give them the numbers and web addresses for more specific information. Speaking of web addresses, a lot of these callers are older, poor, and/or not good with technology, and trying to navigate government websites is hell on a good day. If they don't have a computer or smartphone? Well, the libraries are closed so hopefully they have a friend with internet that can help. With or without illness, this mess is hurting people and I hope it gets sorted out soon.

 

[Traummaschine]

No, you inferred that. I'm not responsible for your lack of cultural awareness.

Looking back I see I ended up arguing to the side of what was your real point, which was that it was too late for countries like the US, France, Italy, UK and Spain to do lockdown measures and their curve would be the same regardless, which Sweden's curve proves. I missed the important 'too late' part.

I agree that these countries were late, but I doubt that they were so late social distancing measures had no effect. Time will probably tell when it comes to that though, because I still don't think a relative similarity to Sweden's curve proves that.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

China Uncensored.

Highlights - The US demands the WHO admit Taiwan (archive). How China outmaneuvered EU diplomats (archive). How Youtube screwed China Uncensored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uErSkx-jQ5M

https://archive.vn/t5S2L

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

I don't know who this asshole is or why he thinks he matters, but Gregg Gonsalves claims Trump is guilty of genocide:

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Libtards always pull this kind of shit when the president has an R after their name, and some minorities die in any disaster.

My sister is a far-left feminazi and a 1st gen SJW, and back in 2005 she went full conspiritard on Xanga and MySpace by claiming Bush deliberately engineered Hurricane Katrina to wipe out all blacks. Then a few years ago fairly recently she was pulling off the same shit on Twitter by saying Trump deliberately didn't send supplies to Puerto Rico as a form of genocide against Latinos.

 

[JosephStalin]

Bloomberg of all places posted this bit of news:

http://archive.li/7efU7

I'll admit that I'm not a US mental health expert, but with your population numbers, I think that 75k extra deaths from suicides and overdoses could be plausible. I think that not enough people talk about the negative effects these lockdowns have on people's mental health(some have mentioned it in this thread though).
A lot of mental illnesses get worse when you're sitting at home all day. We already have stats of drug and alcohol use going up, domestic abuse is up. 14,7% of Americans are unemployed as of right now and I don't think that all of the jobs will come back right away, even if the US opened up everything right now. Things are looking pretty bleak for the economy right now.
I used to be much more pro lockdown in April, but I'm rapidly changing my mind right now as this virus is slowing down worldwide. Sure, it sucks that the old and the sick are dying, but it's worse if as many extra people die due to suicides and overdoses. Lots of them won't be old people either, many of them will have their whole lives ahead of them.

And NONE, not a single fucking one, of these little Hitlers who have put entire states on house arrest will give flying fuck one about the inmates' mental state. Except in SF, where a previous post showed homeless derelicts being put up in hotels and getting free alcohol/tobacco/marijuana.

In news that makes me laugh at Nazi Newsom the Numbnuts, CA is headed for a major-league deficit. NO fucks given WHATSOEVER. Hey, genius, didn't think of the implications of lowered tax revenue when you got your rocks off putting forty million people on house arrest, did you? Too bad. NO bailout from Washington. NO new taxes. NO bond issues.

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/05/07/california-faces-54b-budget-deficit-1282926

Archive didn't come out.


Here's the latest on Newsom's fucked-up mask deal. What an idiot.

https://www.governing.com/now/Newsom-Reveals-Mask-Contract-Requires-Fast-Reimbursement.html?utm_term=READ%20MORE&utm_campaign=Legislative%20Watch%3A%20Pandemic%20Fuels%20Growth%20of%20Telemedicine&utm_content=email&utm_source=Act-On+Software&utm_medium=email

https://archive.vn/nPzqK

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

https://youtu.be/t_Lsd76Erfg

The English for blood doc is haematology consult, who I found out today doesn't like doing the remote consult, I said to my colleague that I was worried about my job because of the remote appointments. but she said the same thing and that's what the consultant said.
they can't examine the patients, and the O.S isn't enough, and pulling up different apps and screens.
now let me have a wee rant! I was coming to Spain in September for holiday, but I heard no countries are going to let U.K folks in coz of our high numbers RRRRRREEEEEE.
sorry bout that lol

With andalusia rushing to reopen and everyone else rushing to meet their pace, spain will be accepting tourism soon enough. And I seriously doubt we'll be picky against the brits. I'd say by september it'll be fine. Also if you're coming to andalusia I can try to give some tips if you tell me the area by PM. Have fun!

That sounds like legitimately the worst person to be in charge of testing. Do you think he was telling people to pipette out of safety concerns?

Every time I see that it makes my smile. Ann Arbor is a whore!

The tests come in individual packages and are single use. And while the pippetes are also disposable they don't come in individual packages. So they're less safe. And even if they were adding extra unneeded steps is always considered a source of added risk.

So I'm not saying he didn't do it because of it. What I am saying is even if that was his reason it'd still be really stupid. Sadly you can never truly discard stupidity with this bunch.

Also. Ann Arbor Man is a fucking legend.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Looking back I see I ended up arguing to the side of what was your real point, which was that it was too late for countries like the US, France, Italy, UK and Spain to do lockdown measures and their curve would be the same regardless, which Sweden's curve proves. I missed the important 'too late' part.

I agree that these countries were late, but I doubt that they were so late social distancing measures had no effect. Time will probably tell when it comes to that though, because I still don't think a relative similarity to Sweden's curve proves that.

If it helps, I have been there more times than is healthy for any one person.