Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

JDA got himself into this mess by trying to play nice with TUG. He should have known better than to walk into a den of rats and not expect to be swarmed. It always seems like he's trying to get back in to CG somehow, one way or another. The dude seems to have an attachment to that name and movement, regardless of whether it's the original, EVS's, or Preston's.
 
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Anyone here enjoy ComicTropes? His a youtuber that does in depth reviews and analysis on certain comics, artists and writers who's subscriber base has kinda blown up lately. I watch a lot of his streams after they air and noticed one that escaped our attention, in the chat there will be several Comicsgaters trying to get his attention but he normally does very well at ignoring them. In this stream he finally addresses the Comicsgate question:

It all was triggered by an argument developing in chat between users over Sean Gordon Murphy and whether or not he was joining CG. One user points out that Chris (Comicstropes) has always been neutral to Comicsgate, which I guess backed him into a corner to finally address it.

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The users continued to debate whether or not Sean was joining Comicsgate, which Chris seemed to acknowledge but not want to take any part in.

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He was later asked what he thought about crowdfunding in general and provided some decent points for why he doesn't really support it.

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Obviously being upset that Chris didn't agree with him, the Comicsgater doubled down in trying to defend his cultish movement. Chris once again reaffirms his stance with a pretty logical rebuttal.

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If you don't like it, don't support it.

The entire stream is below, I've time stamped it roughly around the 47 minute mark when all this took place.


Considering Chris tends to have mildly SJW leanings, it was always a given that he wouldn’t support Comicsgate. It was wise of him to never bring it up since he doesn’t want to push away viewers on his fairly neutral content.

When you look at the lowest of the low, the CG backers we don’t see performing gay ops and shilling their own shitty books, they still always have the SJW-like slavish devotion to “the cause”. If someone likes comics and doesn’t agree with CG’s methods, you’re part of the problem.

I’m really hoping whoever this nobody was, he doesn’t wind up dragging people like Warcampaign and Liam into showing up on Chris’ livestreams. The last thing I’d like to see is the same mega autists that turned CG into a purity-testing gay ops machine bully one of the only good comic related channels into becoming a political wankfest.
 
I was more referring to his point about "if you don't like it, don't support it." He was asked in the same stream whether he was going to review New Warriors (Safespace and Snowflake) or Gotham High and he said he wouldn't unless they were incredibly good or incredibly bad. If you watch his Comic Trope video's he usually showcases comics that he really enjoys or comics that are so terrible they are interesting to talk about, similar to Comicsgate itself. As for Comicsgate and politics it began with them being against "identity politics in comics" to them denouncing any politics in comics at all, the scrutiny Tim Lim faced is proof of that despite his books being political satire.

In other Comicsgate news, Dan Fraga appeared on Dan Shahin's channel as a stand in for EVS who missed the interview due to a scheduling issue. Having Dan Fraga in lieu of Ethan probably worked out in Comicsgate's favor since Dan actually did a pretty good job at making CG seem less exceptional than it actually is.


Comicsgate should probably put Fraga in charge of all public appearances from now on, he handled himself quite well.

TUG since leaving Comicsgate, quickly remembered he actually needs them to fund his crappy sequel to The Littlest Umbrella so has since rejoined and offered to host smaller creators to spotlight their books. This is clearly typical TUG laying the groundwork for his own promotion by others when he launches his book. Taking TUG up on his offer of "ANY creator" was twitter troll and perpetual black sheep Jon Del Arroz, who I think was just trolling TUG about his offer to host "ANY creator."

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In a turnabout way TUG rather magnanimously actually ended up hosting Jon for his five minutes, surprising me and probably everyone else who was paying attention. JDA clipped and uploaded his segment to his channel and described the interview as "cordial."


This cordial relationship was quickly cut short as TUG later became aware that Jon was apart of the Simeti Swatting Truther movement along with Capn Cummings and The Comicbook Hut.

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Jon Del Arroz fresh from biting the hand that fed him uploaded a video describing the "harassment" he has faced since TUG called him out and uploaded a video where he was stream sniping TUG looking for nasty comments to prove his victimhood. Kiwifarms @Mister Dongs makes a guest appearance!


That is about everything, there has been no further developments with the Simeti Swatting theory and its been relatively quiet.

Jawbreakers Grand Bizarre seems to be lagging behind previous campaigns as backerkit has it trending for a reasonable (yet paltry by comparison) $127.880. Whether the virus has closed wallets or everybody blew their cash on Ethans $200 four comics and a cardboard box perk, it seems like the campaign is struggling a little.


EDIT: Added archives of the tweets, the archive provides JDA's initial tweet which he deleted.

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Del Arroz is making me laugh with his constant desperation to get noticed and sell his lame parody. Shouldn't he be asking Vox Day to help him pitch his comic? Or does he realize there's not much juice left in Vox's ever shrinking platforms?
 
Considering Chris tends to have mildly SJW leanings, it was always a given that he wouldn’t support Comicsgate. It was wise of him to never bring it up since he doesn’t want to push away viewers on his fairly neutral content.

When you look at the lowest of the low, the CG backers we don’t see performing gay ops and shilling their own shitty books, they still always have the SJW-like slavish devotion to “the cause”. If someone likes comics and doesn’t agree with CG’s methods, you’re part of the problem.

I’m really hoping whoever this nobody was, he doesn’t wind up dragging people like Warcampaign and Liam into showing up on Chris’ livestreams. The last thing I’d like to see is the same mega autists that turned CG into a purity-testing gay ops machine bully one of the only good comic related channels into becoming a political wankfest.
I always assumed Chris had mildly SJW leanings or was slightly left of center but he keeps it out of his content and his videos are absolutely fantastic to watch. For months now when I've watched his streams I constantly see CG asking him "when is he going to review Cyberfrog" or "what does he think of Comicsgate" and his always ignored them, which I agree is wise because his clearly focusing on producing content that anyone can enjoy.

It was kind of annoying to witness because anyone with a brain could tell he was ignoring them when he would read other peoples comments directly above theirs. He was still fairly polite in his responses to his users, he didn't call them "nazis" or "bigots" and just politely disagreed with them.

His a good dude imo.
 
JDA got himself into this mess by trying to play nice with TUG. He should have known better than to walk into a den of rats and not expect to be swarmed. It always seems like he's trying to get back in to CG somehow, one way or another. The dude seems to have an attachment to that name and movement, regardless of whether it's the original, EVS's, or Preston's.

Yeah dude, the fine upstanding white nationalist and Vox Day ballhugger should have known when he was dealing with unscrupulous characters. LOL. Jon hasn't been playing nice, he's been operating from the Vox playbook of attacking anyone that is receiving more attention than himself, only with way less success than even Teddy has managed. It's embarrassing to see.
 
I always assumed Chris had mildly SJW leanings or was slightly left of center but he keeps it out of his content and his videos are absolutely fantastic to watch. For months now when I've watched his streams I constantly see CG asking him "when is he going to review Cyberfrog" or "what does he think of Comicsgate" and his always ignored them, which I agree is wise because his clearly focusing on producing content that anyone can enjoy.

It was kind of annoying to witness because anyone with a brain could tell he was ignoring them when he would read other peoples comments directly above theirs. He was still fairly polite in his responses to his users, he didn't call them "nazis" or "bigots" and just politely disagreed with them.

His a good dude imo.

He does very broad, mainstream analysis that usually covers topics in retrospect, he's sort of a comic historian. He's not going to wade into the muck and controversy of what is still a fringe movement inside a fairly fringe industry. Maybe in 5-10 years we might see him do a retrospective on comicsgate creators.
 
JDA got himself into this mess by trying to play nice with TUG. He should have known better than to walk into a den of rats and not expect to be swarmed. It always seems like he's trying to get back in to CG somehow, one way or another. The dude seems to have an attachment to that name and movement, regardless of whether it's the original, EVS's, or Preston's.
Jon Del Arroz flip flops on Comicsgate more than a fish out of water. I've watched him patch things up with EVS twice now and both times they've had another falling out within days. One minute Comicsgate has been "harassing" him for years, the next minute his patching things up with them and trying to get his foot back in the door.

I wonder how Preston feel's about his first Comicsgate™ published author trying to weasel his way back in with @VIkkiVerse 's doxer.
Del Arroz is making me laugh with his constant desperation to get noticed and sell his lame parody. Shouldn't he be asking Vox Day to help him pitch his comic? Or does he realize there's not much juice left in Vox's ever shrinking platforms?
I'm not really familar with Teddy Spaghetti's platform, is it shrinking? Last I heard he was making his own streaming service with that other cow Owen Benjamin and trying to make an Alt Hero movie, I might have to visit the Vox thread and catch up on his latest shenanigans.
Yeah dude, the fine upstanding white nationalist and Vox Day ballhugger should have known when he was dealing with unscrupulous characters. LOL. Jon hasn't been playing nice, he's been operating from the Vox playbook of attacking anyone that is receiving more attention than himself, only with way less success than even Teddy has managed. It's embarrassing to see.
TUG is a grifting, lying piece of shit and Jon Del Arroz is an amateur troll who pokes others online and then curls up into a ball when his poked back.

In such an internet slap fight there are no winners, just two losers.
He does very broad, mainstream analysis that usually covers topics in retrospect, he's sort of a comic historian. He's not going to wade into the muck and controversy of what is still a fringe movement inside a fairly fringe industry. Maybe in 5-10 years we might see him do a retrospective on comicsgate creators.
I doubt it, his already made his feelings known his not really interested in following Comicsgate. I personally doubt CG has the fortitude to last another 12 months let alone another 5-10 years. I'm guessing most of the larger creators will break off at some point and still produce under their respective labels, but if you search the #comicsgate on twitter its nothing but self promotion now with very little engagement. Compared to 2017 and 2018 there was a much larger audience using it and it was actual conversation as opposed to every tom, dick and harry advertising their crappy $25 comicbook with Sonichu tier art.
 
Give it a few years. Chris won't act on such a hot topic as CG until the fire goes completely out and he feels safe enough to have an opinion. Big surprise he's a liberal, but more importantly he seems like a decent professional. I don't see it becoming a dominant feature in his videos... yet. The fire ants are swarming though, he might not be able to escape it.
 
Considering Chris tends to have mildly SJW leanings, it was always a given that he wouldn’t support Comicsgate. It was wise of him to never bring it up since he doesn’t want to push away viewers on his fairly neutral content.

When you look at the lowest of the low, the CG backers we don’t see performing gay ops and shilling their own shitty books, they still always have the SJW-like slavish devotion to “the cause”. If someone likes comics and doesn’t agree with CG’s methods, you’re part of the problem.

I’m really hoping whoever this nobody was, he doesn’t wind up dragging people like Warcampaign and Liam into showing up on Chris’ livestreams. The last thing I’d like to see is the same mega autists that turned CG into a purity-testing gay ops machine bully one of the only good comic related channels into becoming a political wankfest.
I've been watching Chris for as long as I've been watching Zack. They are the polar opposites of the comicbook youtube: Zack is calling shit out in barely researched videos, Chris is doing a lot of research and is pretty neutral. He clearly knows about comicbooks and loves the art form. He knows comics way better than CG-ers. I mean, those dumbasses were about to bring in misrepresented Dave Sim to write Cyberfrog because the damn liberals cancelled him, while Dave Sim was a lolcow of epic levels back in the 90's who burned every bridge to the comicbook industry AND the guy who, in some weird fashion, created the SJW comics in the mainstream.
As far as I remember, Chris, in his Cerebus video manages to be objective to what was the deal about him, and, believe me, you have to have zero SJW cells in your body to do that...

He also has ties to the mainstream industry (was editing Robert Kirkman's comics for years, he mentions that in his Invincible video) and I believe he does not bother with SJW politics at all. He could go out and rip America a new one without ever mentioning the politics (and believe me, the politics are the least that is wrong about this book). He did two great Civil War 2 video ripping it apart.

I can see him doing Jawbreakers or Cyberfrog 10 years from now, when covering the late 10's crowdfunding boom (and bust)
 
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Scouring the #comicsgate hashtag led to almost nothing noteworthy. Very little tweet interactions and mostly shilling low performance books. A few people still chimping out that EVS will no longer platform rando creators on his channel.
Then I found this. The proprietor of comicsgate .org is preemptively creating accounts for people because his website is receiving no fanfare or traffic. He's deep diving the hashtag to link to campaigns and making bios based on IGG and tweet info.
Notice he has no retweets or likes and in his final tweet complains about how difficult it is to find CG content.
The dumpster fire of comicsgate is quickly burning out. The CG market is completely flooded with sonichu books and worthless trading card offers. I have no idea what these people will trade these cards for once they are homeless from spending all of their money on $25 comics.
 
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Scouring the #comicsgate hashtag led to almost nothing noteworthy. Very little tweet interactions and mostly shilling low performance books. A few people still chimping out that EVS will no longer platform rando creators on his channel.
Then I found this. The proprietor of comicsgate .org is preemptively creating accounts for people because his website is receiving no fanfare or traffic. He's deep diving the hashtag to link to campaigns and making bios based on IGG and tweet info.
Notice he has no retweets or likes and in his final tweet complains about how difficult it is to find CG content.
The dumpster fire of comicsgate is quickly burning out. The CG market is completely flooded with sonichu books and worthless trading card offers. I have no idea what these people will trade these cards for once they are homeless from spending all of their money on $25 comics.

I saw that and was expecting a pretty harsh backlash. Nothing. Nobody even cares enough to complain that this guy is coopting people's names and properties for his own site.


EVS is on pumping Fraga's book now. The Holy Edict lasted all of 24 hours.
 
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Yeah dude, the fine upstanding white nationalist and Vox Day ballhugger
JDA is fucking troll, a liar and a big Vox Day advocate. Strange that he can't get along with Ethan Van Sciver.

Ethan and JDA both feigned ignorance of Vox's white nationalist politics while they promoted him. These "culture warriors" were both praising a guy who advocates for the ultra scary 🙄 14 words and pretending they weren't aware of how controversial Vox is when being controversial is the only reason Vox is relevant.

Vox is a liar and a troll.
JDA is a liar and a troll.
EVS is a liar and a troll.

What's funny is when each of them plays victim and calls the other a liar and a troll.

Anyone who was promoting Vox Day in 2018 and wasn't aware that he's a notorious white nationalist is a complete and utter moron.

but if you search the #comicsgate on twitter its nothing but self promotion now with very little engagement. Compared to 2017 and 2018 there was a much larger audience using it and it was actual conversation as opposed to every tom, dick and harry advertising their crappy $25 comicbook with Sonichu tier art.
The numbers for backers keep dropping and dropping but the CG faithful are shoring it up by each spending more.

It will be interesting to see how long that will last. The writings on the wall but it appears that most of them can't actually read.

Ironic.

Gail Simone in the comments section, I wonder if she'll end up checking out the video he done on her a few months back.
Strange that Gail isn't aware of who ComicsTropes, one of the biggest comics YouTubers going, is but she seems to be very aware of the CG YouTube universe.

I guess she doesn't give a fuck about comics on YouTube unless it's outrage fueled leftwing SJWs or outrage fueled CG SJWs.
 
JDA is fucking troll, a liar and a big Vox Day advocate. Strange that he can't get along with Ethan Van Sciver.

Ethan and JDA both feigned ignorance of Vox's white nationalist politics while they promoted him. These "culture warriors" were both praising a guy who advocates for the ultra scary 🙄 14 words and pretending they weren't aware of how controversial Vox is when being controversial is the only reason Vox is relevant.

Vox is a liar and a troll.
JDA is a liar and a troll.
EVS is a liar and a troll.

What's funny is when each of them plays victim and calls the other a liar and a troll.

Anyone who was promoting Vox Day in 2018 and wasn't aware that he's a notorious white nationalist is a complete and utter moron.


The numbers for backers keep dropping and dropping but the CG faithful are shoring it up by each spending more.

It will be interesting to see how long that will last. The writings on the wall but it appears that most of them can't actually read.

Ironic.


Strange that Gail isn't aware of who ComicsTropes, one of the biggest comics YouTubers going, is but she seems to be very aware of the CG YouTube universe.

I guess she doesn't give a fuck about comics on YouTube unless it's outrage fueled leftwing SJWs or outrage fueled CG SJWs.


Can't judge anything by the number of IGG "backers". Multiple purchases from the same person appear as multiple backers.
 
Time to farm some negative reactions here, but....I kind of like Gail. She's annoying with all that femninist BS, but she seems to genuinely care for the fans and from personal experience can be quite 'mumsy' with people. Also she's a fun and competant writer.

Fire away folks :)
Lol what a bunch of drama queens. I don't like Waid and Gail annoys me now, but I ain't getting rid of his run on Flash or her Secret Six books to "prove a point". Unless Peter explicitly started pointing knives at them, this just seems petty

The comments from Rumble Terrier are pretty funny though
>purposely makes a video and tags in the company hoping for negative attention
>whines about the negative attention he clearly wanted to justify his whining


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I loathed Gail Simone before it was cool. Felt her BoP run was a waste, her Secret Six was a boring Suicide Squad, and her Wonder Woman was trash. But everyone has a guilty pleasure. I unironically like Jeph Loeb comics from Marvel that I know aren't 'good'.

The worst part of some of the ex CG crowd is how they immediately heel turn.

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Scouring the #comicsgate hashtag led to almost nothing noteworthy. Very little tweet interactions and mostly shilling low performance books. A few people still chimping out that EVS will no longer platform rando creators on his channel.
Then I found this. The proprietor of comicsgate .org is preemptively creating accounts for people because his website is receiving no fanfare or traffic. He's deep diving the hashtag to link to campaigns and making bios based on IGG and tweet info.
Notice he has no retweets or likes and in his final tweet complains about how difficult it is to find CG content.
The dumpster fire of comicsgate is quickly burning out. The CG market is completely flooded with sonichu books and worthless trading card offers. I have no idea what these people will trade these cards for once they are homeless from spending all of their money on $25 comics.

There was an interesting Richard video where he stated CG got the whales. These people have spent what they spend on IGG in shops before the current crisis.

Consider. Marvel comics are at the least 4$. Some of these people would have twenty issue pulls. That's $80 a month. They aren't spending much more on this than they did before. The difference is that the stores, diamond, the big two, get cut out. Its a small blip for Marvel and DC. But I point you to my prior post on Rags or Tim Lim and Antarctic. A dip of a hundred people at four dollars and issue is $400 a month. That adds up fast.
 
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If the numbers are still dropping despite supporters backing multiple times individually I'd say you can make a judgement on that.
No, I meant the opposite. A tier of a 2nd campaign may contain items that required backing multiple tiers of a 1st campaign. More people could end up backing that 2nd campaign than the 1st but the 1st will show more "backers".
 
It may be fairly useless to compare the amount of actual backers in Covid-Era Comicsgrift to any previous titles. I would think decreases are guaranteed down the line for just about everyone.
 

Short but fairly informative stream.
  • Says that he is going to break his new "no platform without a single fufilled campaign" rule for Dan Fraga
  • Formally denies knowing in advance that Mitch Breitweiser wasn't going to fulfill Red Rooster.
  • Declares Black Flag as a "spite campaign", putting it with such luminaries as Cash Grab and LUG2
  • Issues challenge to Dan Shaheer that any non-Comicsgate comics creator is either a coward or an SJW collaborator
  • Goes over why Mark Waid is a piece of shit.
 
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