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[deeplyhigh]

Hate to interrupt a good fume, but more american vitamins use grams too. You'll notice the IU is only there for certain compounds and is the secondary measurement for people who might be used to the old system.
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Clearly it's a CCP plot to make sure we're all vitamin D deficient while overdosing on other vitamins like A.

Incidentally, I found out how much Vitamin D you need to get hypervitaminosis and the answer is 'a lot'. Maybe even 'a fucking lot'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D#Recommended_supplement_limits

Over-the-counter vitamin D where I comes in in 10 or 25ug pills, 100 to a bottle. So it's pretty hard to overdose, though I suppose if you necked a whole bottle of the 25ug that's 2500ug which would give you an overdose (>1925ug). But you'd need much more than that to get an acute overdose and do it over several days.

Still stay under 100ug per day and it seems like you're pretty safe.

Just to add to the IU discussion a bit, I’ve seen mcg for Vitamin D when it’s in multivitamins, but most Vitamin D only supplements still have the IU listed first and then maybe mcg somewhere too.

Years ago, I had to take prescription Vitamin D. It was a 50,000 IU dose once a week or a little over 7,000 IU per day averaged out, so I imagine it’s pretty difficult to overdose. Plus a lot of people in northern climates are deficient already.

Went to check in with MyLittleBloggie for some Wuflu lunacy and he didn’t disappoint...

I guess pointing out that the meatpacking plants are disease vectors because of the migrant living conditions is raycis and genocidal.

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Gotta love a good false equivalency.

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Haha people who want the country to open so millions don’t starve to death are so dumb and can’t even read!

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How dare those protestors use health insurance they pay for when they get sick!

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Hoping that people not wearing masks will die of the coof.

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[Gustav Schuchardt]

What about all the democrats and European leaders sans Boris Johnson and whoever runs Sweden?

Pls don't hang Boris. He's an ... OK ... PM.

 

[RodgerDodger]

So... in conclusion. You muricans really will use just about fucking anything you can for measurement so long as it's not the metric system.

To be fair, our questionably insane measurement systems don't hold a candle to the history of British and Australian Currency.

https://fourthgarrideb.com/2015/09/17/so-how-much-is-a-quid-a-bob-and-a-crown-really/

 

[Rudy Russo]

Outside China

4,017,488 confirmed / 278,057 dead / 1,329,627 recovered

3939242 / 274666 / 1291319 yesterday

USA

1,329,203 confirmed / 79,525 dead / 216,169 recovered JohnHopkins
1,345,522 confirmed / 80,494 dead / 256,366 recovered Infection2020

1309168 / 78794 / 212534 yesterday JohnHopkins
1325913 / 79399 / 238078 yesterday Infection2020

Spain

224,350 confirmed / 26,621 dead / 136,166 recovered

223578 / 26478 / 133952 yesterday

Italy

219,070 confirmed / 30,560 dead / 105,186 recovered

218268 / 30395 / 103031 yesterday

France

177,094 confirmed / 26,383 dead / 56,327 recovered

176782 / 26313 / 56148 yesterday

Germany

171,879 confirmed / 7,569 dead / 144,400 recovered

171324 / 7549 / 143300 yesterday

 

[6MillionCoofs]

So how trustworthy is the Dr in this Plandemic documentary going around?

I ask because it apprently got removed from everywhere and that usually means a thing holds some truth. But at the same time it’s full of the dramatic conspiracy background score that makes my bullshit detector go off.

And the first place a goigle check lead me was snopes and the daily mail.

 

[Abradolfus_Linclerson]

So how trustworthy is the Dr in this Plandemic documentary going around?

I ask because it apprently got removed from everywhere and that usually means a thing holds some truth. But at the same time it’s full of the dramatic conspiracy background score that makes my bullshit detector go off.

And the first place a goigle check lead me was snopes and the daily mail.

If you're talking about the video with the older blonde lady asserting that Anthony Fauci and his pals are all buddy-buddy with Big Pharma and have been buying peoples' silence since the early days of the AIDS epidemic, while providing a lone bit of legislation as 'evidence' then your bullshit detector is properly calibrated. She's a quack anti-vax nutter whose claims about involvement with the original sequencing of AIDS back in the 80s are apparently crap...along with everything else in that video.

Boomer mom linked it to me and I gave it a listen to be polite cuz in this timeline, why wouldn't you at least give it a hearing? I'll tell you what I told her: the US Federal government (and probably the state, and county, and municipal governments, too) is abominably corrupt...but it's also hilariously incompetent, as demonstrated by the ongoing (and failing) antics to unseat the Drumpfenfuehrer. Also remember that incredible claims require incredible evidence, and she made plenty of claims sans anything even remotely resembling evidence.

 

[JosephStalin]

To be fair, our questionably insane measurement systems don't hold a candle to the history of British and Australian Currency.

https://fourthgarrideb.com/2015/09/17/so-how-much-is-a-quid-a-bob-and-a-crown-really/

Indeed. Least our currency has always been pretty straightforward. 100 cents = 1 dollar. But the old British and Australian currencies - no, thanks. Very confusing.

Our measurements, in large part, were based on ancient measurements. A foot was the length of the average foot. Heck, you will see people measuring short distances by putting one foot right after the other and counting the steps as feet. But metric is making steady inroads here, as in medicine, military weapons, and vehicle engines/parts. It will still be a few generations before the USA is all metric, though. Traditions can take a long time to die out.

 

[Coleslaw]

In most countries, including the USA, there's a sort of social contract between the people and government, at all levels. The people will, in general, obey the law and pay their taxes. In return, the government provides certain services and benefits.

In your opinion has this been broken?

 

[JosephStalin]

In your opinion has this been broken?

Yes, to a large extent. We've seen a number of instances where law enforcement has violated people's Constitutional rights. The way certain governors have acted as little Hitlers has been disgusting. I simply don't understand why these governors used the one-size-fits-all approach to putting their states on house arrest. Guess they didn't want their power trips disturbed.

Personally, the only one I trust in this is President Trump. He's doing his best in a very difficult situation. No training available for handling something like this. Had no trust in my state's governor before, anyway. Dude's acted like an idiot. At the local level, my county's "health director" is simply retarded. Keeps saying we'll have 33,000 cases. Presently have less than 300. Refuses to change his projections, has extended our county's house arrest to 31 May. The county "Board of Supervisors" apparently believes everything this turd says. Believe you can see why I have no faith or trust in state/county/city government or law enforcement any more.

A little common sense would have gone a long way to mitigate the economic damage the country has suffered. I place ALL the blame for this upon the little Hitlers. Now these geniuses at the state/county/city level are crying crocodile tears because tax revenues have gone down precipitously. What did you think, fools? Revenues would go UP? No bailouts from Washington for these fuckwagons. Not like the state/county/city governments do that much for people as it is, but do plenty TO people.

Just hope these house arrests will end without widespread violence. Pushbacks and anger steadily increasing.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

Indeed. Least our currency has always been pretty straightforward. 100 cents = 1 dollar. But the old British and Australian currencies - no, thanks. Very confusing.

Our measurements, in large part, were based on ancient measurements. A foot was the length of the average foot. Heck, you will see people measuring short distances by putting one foot right after the other and counting the steps as feet. But metric is making steady inroads here, as in medicine, military weapons, and vehicle engines/parts. It will still be a few generations before the USA is all metric, though. Traditions can take a long time to die out.

Spoiler: Note to Non-Americans about America and the Metric System

I don't think metric will die out in the US, for sentimental reasons. Imperial measurements are a very human way of measuring things. An inch is a segment from your finger. A foot is roughly the distance from your elbow to your wrist and a yard is about the length of your leg - easy to visualize. It's easy for an American to imagine a person that's 5' 8" tall, but confusing to imagine someone who's 173 cm tall. That's too many tiny units to visualize. Yes, if you worked with the metric system from birth, it'd be much easier to conceptualize a certain number of cms, but working with feet and inches just seems easier, since you could imagine 5 feet, then add a small number of inches to that.

It's different with temperature. A Celsius scale with 100 units between the freezing temp of water and the boiling point of water is imminently logical. But to an American, it doesn't seem to have enough degrees. A 37 degree day just doesn't seem very impressive. It seems, emotionally speaking, that on a hot day that number should be higher. The Fahrenheit scale address this, by adding more degrees between the freezing and boiling points of water. (It's 90 degrees out! Holy hell! Don't let the kids outside!)

(Oddly enough, not all imperial measurements have been accepted in the US. Americans don't use the term "stone" to describe weight like the British do. There are reasons for this, I'm sure, but I would guess psychologically, that it's more impressive to describe a heavy thing (or person) as weighing 330 pounds than it is to describe them as weighing a mere 23 and a half stone.)

Adding to the confusion is the fact that we Americans have accepted ONE unit of metric: the liter. Yes, we still use gallons and ounces, but many of our soda bottles are measured in liters. 2-liter bottles are a staple at most family parties and have been since the 1970s. This was due to Pepsi doing a bottle redesign just as the US government started really pushing the metric system. It slipped through the cracks and just kind of stayed around because there wasn't enough of a backlash to change it. Changing the rest of the imperial units to metric probably isn't going to happen soon though, at least not on a grand scale. Not just because psychologically, imperial units seem "friendlier" to Americans, while metric units seem cold, ungodly and scientific, but because switching everything over would cost a shitload of money. It's no surprise that metric's inroads have been confined mostly to the realms of Science and Engineering. It makes a lot more sense there, since those are fields where standardization is King and being able to convert units easily is helpful and profitable.

Now those of you who are non-Americans might be pulling your hair out, trying to convince us that moving to the metric system will be easier for us in the longer term, and you'd be right. But here's the thing. We Americans think we are exceptional. (And not just the Kiwifarms definition of exceptional.) It warms the cockles of our hearts to see Europeans getting petulant about our refusal to "join the rest of the world" because we like to troll you gun-surrendering, nanny-state faggots remind you that we're not going to let our national identity be usurped easily. And by God and the American Flag, if grandpa bought his rotgut malt liquor by the fluid ounce, so will we!!

 

[mindlessobserver]

In your opinion has this been broken?

Can confirm it's completely broken in Virginia. The cops in my county are in full on IDGAF mode. They are driving around letting people know they still exist, but with the courts shutdown they arent doing shit unless its egregious. They also arent doing shit about people not social distancing. The local park is "closed" by order of the governor. There is a sign and everything. And its full to capacity with people walking around, having picnics, exercising and so on. By order of the governor you also have to wear a mask when in the State run liquor stores. Do the workers inside give a shit? Nope. Besides, what would they do if they called the cops on you for not wearing a mask? The same cops who dont give a shit about everything else?

I think the most fascinating thing to come out of this is that the only States in the country who had full top to bottom adherence to central dictates were New York and California. Not even Washington State and Oregon hit those levels of authoritarianism, and effort to truly enforce them on an unwilling population in Main and Michigan have both States on the verge of revolt.

 

[TFT-A9]

This is utter insanity. All of it. This has been, top-to-bottom, the most egregious fucking shitshow I've seen in my life. And I know I won't have the consolation of people learning a damn thing from it, because people never learn a damn thing from anything.

 

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Can confirm it's completely broken in Virginia. The cops in my county are in full on IDGAF mode. They are driving around letting people know they still exist, but with the courts shutdown they arent doing shit unless its egregious. They also arent doing shit about people not social distancing. The local park is "closed" by order of the governor. There is a sign and everything. And its full to capacity with people walking around, having picnics, exercising and so on. By order of the governor you also have to wear a mask when in the State run liquor stores. Do the workers inside give a shit? Nope. Besides, what would they do if they called the cops on you for not wearing a mask? The same cops who dont give a shit about everything else?

I think the most fascinating thing to come out of this is that the only States in the country who had full top to bottom adherence to central dictates were New York and California. Not even Washington State and Oregon hit those levels of authoritarianism, and effort to truly enforce them on an unwilling population in Main and Michigan have both States on the verge of revolt.

So how long until the little hitlers try to trick everyone into thinking this is all mean ol' Orange Man Bad's fault, and they were poor innocent types wot dindu nuffin?

Trump basically refused to play the role of the Federal Dictator Daddy in this whole mess, which a lot of them seemed to be absolutely desperate for him to do.

When the people finally have enough and start revolting... are they gonna be able to pin this on Trump, or is Trump going to join in the people revolting and let the little hitlers choke on their own hubris?

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Vitamin D is fat soluble though. Just not as dangerous as the other fat soluble ones for some reason.


Story seems legit, but the media sources aren't mentioning the WHO, that was added by the tweeter. ,Media are calling it a problem at the Tanzanian lab and the test kits . (prob Chinese?)

Breitbart . archive
Reuters . archive
aljazeera . archive

Also, story seems to be a week old. Surprised we haven't seen it here before .

That's because of its function. Vitamin D is vital in how the body utilizes calcium, magnesium, phosphor,etc. Calcium is just constantly needed for bone maintenance, so that's a giant ass vitamin D syphon, but even more importantly vitamin D + magnesium is consumed in massive quantities by the muscles every time you exercize. So it takes a LOT of vit D to actually go over what your body is capable of wasting by just getting those muscles prepped. Compared with most vitamins which do important but far scarcer and less consuming processes, the human body seems like a giant vitamin D syphon. That's why it takes a much, much larger quantity to overload it.

So how long until the little hitlers try to trick everyone into thinking this is all mean ol' Orange Man Bad's fault, and they were poor innocent types wot dindu nuffin?

Trump basically refused to play the role of the Federal Dictator Daddy in this whole mess, which a lot of them seemed to be absolutely desperate for him to do.

When the people finally have enough and start revolting... are they gonna be able to pin this on Trump, or is Trump going to join in the people revolting and let the little hitlers choke on their own hubris?

Never underestimate a politician's shamelessness while lying their asses off. They'll still blame el presidente Trumpo for being the big bad fed dictator. They'll just have to be even more absurd with their bullshit.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Im just going to toss this in the ring of debate but when I see Americans celebrating the Swedish approach to coronavirus do they understand that Sweden is a completely different climate, population and culture to the United States and that maybe the difference in lockdown measures are more favorable to the sweeds in comparason to burgerland or do Americans just take what ever info coincides with their beilief and just touts it off of gut feelings pushing the narrative that benefits the individual most thinking its how science works.

 

[Overly Serious]

Indeed. Least our currency has always been pretty straightforward. 100 cents = 1 dollar. But the old British and Australian currencies - no, thanks. Very confusing.

The old British currency was superior. 240 pennies in a pound meant it was far easier to divide a pound because 240 has far more factors than 100. You can divide 12 by 6,4,3 and 2 easily. 10 you just have five and 2. The smaller terms were similarly sensible: 1 shilling = 12 pennies. So a pound is simply twenty shillings. Basically pre-decimilzation currency is actually easier to work with mathematically. Whereas post-decimialization appears easier to work with, because some people can't get past the "counting in tens is easy" stage of primary school education impressions. It's the same way SI people insisted on trying to redefine Megabytes as 1,000 Kilobytes which are 1,000 bytes, etc. completely ignoring that this makes no sense for a base-2 number system and makes things more complex for the people who actually use and understand these things and simpler only for those for whom it doesn't matter because they only use them as arbitrary units. Ralph Waldo Emerson remarked that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" and he wasn't wrong.

My issue with American units isn't actually that they're non-decimal. It's that they're non-standard. They're inconsistent for no good reason. There are 1,760 yards in a mile. There are three feet in a yard. An acre is one furlong by one chain and a chain is one tenth of a furlong which is one eighth of a mile. It's a pile of accumulated unplanned terms. Metric isn't better because it's decimalized. That actually makes the mathematics harder. Hell, even at a computer level I believe it would be easier to build low level libraries that worked with octal or hex rather than decimals as standard. Metric is better because it's consistent. You have metres, kilometres, square kilometres... People are fixated on tens because they have ten fingers (except in Norfolk). It's not the best number system and is thought to be so almost solely due to familiarity.

Fuck decimalization! It was a pandering move to the mathematically illiterate. But I'll take it over something that has no standard terms of scaling (kilo- mega- giga-) or self-consistency.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Alrighty news roundup. The opposition opposes everything the government does, even as their autonomies do exactly the same thing. And no one cares. The hospital battles 3 different PPE, turn, lockbox and now also vacations related issues because we will not be civilized about that one either! Madrid keeps seeing the exodus, both from actual migrants and just general tourism, and everyone cheers. Except the people of madrid. That are still as panicky as ever and keep avoiding everyone else like they have the plague. Which to be fair they might. But if you're gonna panick every time you're on the same street as someone else maybe you shouldn't have migrated to andalucia of all places. We like to HUG the people we meet over here! Ah, they'll get used to it. Most people are just laughing their assess off. The madrileños did have reputation for being panicky before so most just answer with a chuckle and a pat. The madrileños seem not to enjoy the pat. That just makes it better.

And finally El Tiempo Libre, a supposed public residence that had now been closed for OVER A FUCKING DECADE has finally been auctioned off and is being torn down to build a hotel here in Cadiz. Usually I wouldn't like privatization. But cadiz really does need more hotels, and specially on playa victoria where hotel playa victoria has run completely unopposed since *the civil fucking war* and during the reign of Teofila (PP) pulled some really shady shit thanks to that level of soft power. Plus between this, the renovations and further unearthing of the archeological digs Cadiz is fucking dusting itself like crazy. And our inland villages are getting migrants from madrid so they're not staying behind. It seems the negotiations between Kichy and the PP's junta have been incredibly successful, specially when compared with the ones he had with his supposed allies in the prior PSOE's junta. Seems fucking weird saying good shit about the spanish right but this is seriously great news. It's been multiple centuries trying. But Cadiz is finally recovering. Halle fucking luya!

 

[Coleslaw]

Washington State and Oregon

They would not have existed if they had blindly obeyed the British authorities that told them all of the PNW belonged to England.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Anyone have a reasonable estimation that this goes endemic? My guess is it wont if we can stabalize its R0 value down to less than .3-4% Last thing I want is another fucking bug to %chance to hit you I am not getting any younger,

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Anyone have a reasonable estimation that this goes endemic? My guess is it wont if we can stabalize its R0 value down to less than .3-4% Last thing I want is another fucking bug to %chance to hit you I am not getting any younger,

It absolutely will. Just like every similar viri. Take into account that it's not the R0 in the civilized world that defines if something has extra waves. It's the R0 in China. And there's no way they're not sending wave two our way come autumm. They do it every fucking year.

Reminder. When 1st world countries realize their pigs are sick. They kill them. When China realizes their pigs are sick. They sell them to Mexico. There's literally no way to avoid pandemic diseases going endemic until we kill globalization like the sick dog it is.