Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Ivan Shatov]

Anyone have a reasonable estimation that this goes endemic? My guess is it wont if we can stabalize its R0 value down to less than .3-4% Last thing I want is another fucking bug to %chance to hit you I am not getting any younger,

Not until we get appropriate controls in place. Testing to tell you when you have it, widespread early-stage treatments to prevent people from getting too sick, public health policies to shield the elderly and prevent healthcare systems from misreporting numbers.

We could have that today. The problem with WuFlu is not the virus, it's the fact you can't get good information about it. The media is putting people into panic mode, no one is thinking critically about the information they are being presented, there's too much money being handed out. It could be argued there's a business model to WuFlu that does not favor consumers, but everyone is buying.

It's getting frustrating.

 

[emo goff]

There's literally no way to avoid pandemic diseases going endemic until we kill globalization take China out to the back and put it down like the sick dog it is.

Plenty of democratic alternatives for globocorps to plant their sweatshops though. Which they will do. And people will keep moving around for work and travel. There isn't really any going back, we're too interdependent now.

But China doesn't give a shit about getting along and actively hates the rest of the world. Gotta starve this giant tumor off sooner or later.

 

[deeplyhigh]

So how long until the little hitlers try to trick everyone into thinking this is all mean ol' Orange Man Bad's fault, and they were poor innocent types wot dindu nuffin?

Trump basically refused to play the role of the Federal Dictator Daddy in this whole mess, which a lot of them seemed to be absolutely desperate for him to do.

When the people finally have enough and start revolting... are they gonna be able to pin this on Trump, or is Trump going to join in the people revolting and let the little hitlers choke on their own hubris?

My governor is already setting up for blaming Trump. The governor’s response has been a complete failure on every level. He’s been talking about having capacity to test 20,000 people a day (never mind that who the fuck knows where they’re going to find 20,000 people a day who want testing) for weeks, but hasn’t even hit the 5,000 capacity mark that he originally wanted. He waited weeks to put a “battle plan” in place for nursing homes even though it’s been clear based on the data where the majority of deaths were occurring. He refuses to adjust the stay at home orders based on this data. We just hit the highest unemployment rate in United States history, and yes that includes the Great Depression. We have the highest death rate per capita in the region due to his failings as well.

All of these failures, and what does he think the problem is? We don’t have a national testing guideline. He was whining in a presser last week about how gee, it would be nice if there were national testing guidelines. He’s a idiot who’s in way over his head and thinks the only way out is big daddy fed coming in to tell him what to do.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Plenty of democratic alternatives for globocorps to plant their sweatshops though. Which they will do. And people will keep moving around for work and travel.

China doesn't give a shit about getting along and actively hates the rest of the world. Gotta starve this giant tumor off sooner or later.

There's a role for globalism going forward, it just can't come at the expense of countries being able to defend themselves.

Even Adam Smith knew that. Fucking international finance coming back to bite us in the butt.

 

[emo goff]

There's a role for globalism going forward, it just can't come at the expense of countries being able to defend themselves.

Even Adam Smith knew that. Fucking international finance coming back to bite us in the butt.

Yeah every government trying to pretend that China is a good little workhorse has finally started fucking up.

Now it's got too many nukes and too many patriotic Chinese wormed into every important group.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Plenty of democratic alternatives for globocorps to plant their sweatshops though. Which they will do. And people will keep moving around for work and travel. There isn't really any going back, we're too interdependent now.

But China doesn't give a shit about getting along and actively hates the rest of the world. Gotta starve this giant tumor off sooner or later.

Ah yes. And I'm sure countries that from that point on will see their biggest source of revenue come from their lax view on human rights and lack of adherence to safety standards making them the cheapest alternative for companies with no regard for how abusive their practices are, will ABSOLUTELY, WITH 100% CERTAINTY, NO DOUBT AT ALL, NEVER, EVER, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS, just devolve into China 2.0 and cause another outbreak. IT IS SIMPLY UNTHINKABLE. AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT SARCASM AT ALL.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

My issue with American units isn't actually that they're non-decimal. It's that they're non-standard. They're inconsistent for no good reason. There are 1,760 yards in a mile. There are three feet in a yard. An acre is one furlong by one chain and a chain is one tenth of a furlong which is one eighth of a mile. It's a pile of accumulated unplanned terms. Metric isn't better because it's decimalized. That actually makes the mathematics harder. Hell, even at a computer level I believe it would be easier to build low level libraries that worked with octal or hex rather than decimals as standard. Metric is better because it's consistent. You have metres, kilometres, square kilometres... People are fixated on tens because they have ten fingers (except in Norfolk). It's not the best number system and is thought to be so almost solely due to familiarity.

Fuck decimalization! It was a pandering move to the mathematically illiterate. But I'll take it over something that has no standard terms of scaling (kilo- mega- giga-) or self-consistency.

While sure, this is true in same way, it doesn't matter. Like at all. For all the bitching people do that US standards are so shit and that they're so confusing, somehow even literal exceptional individuals here are able to use it constantly. We get the same stuff done as any other country using a supposedly inferior measuring system. The only reason we use metric for military and scientific purposes is probably that other countries would throw a fit the instant they had to interact with it. If it was 100% isolated to just us, eh, we'd use US standards just fine.

It's like English, Hardly the most efficient or practical Western language, so why do we use it? We just do, no point in bitching about it. It's factual other languages are easier to learn and much more consistent, but who cares? It's just what we do.

It's just amazing it's 2020 and people still complain about "Why doesn't the US use metric?".

Anyways, super off topic but w/e.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

So how trustworthy is the Dr in this Plandemic documentary going around?

I ask because it apprently got removed from everywhere and that usually means a thing holds some truth. But at the same time it’s full of the dramatic conspiracy background score that makes my bullshit detector go off.

And the first place a goigle check lead me was snopes and the daily mail.

No, it's insane. The actual physicians quoted in the video roused the damn ACEP so

 

[MrBlueSocks]

An acre is one furlong by one chain and a chain is one tenth of a furlong which is one eighth of a mile.

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[PS1gamenwatch]

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[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

I went to a mall here in Florida for shits and giggles today. Looked like 90% of the stores were closed. There was a line up at 2 jewelry stores about a block long with all black people pawning jewelry. No joke! I would have token an image of it but there was more security around than stores open.

Can report that we tried to go get sushi last night, couldn’t get through on the phone to order, went by on our way to Publix and there was a line of about 50 people outside the sushi place. Many olds, most olds in masks, but still, many olds. This is good in the sense that in much of Florida if the olds aren’t doing discretionary spending on entertainment it’ll hurt real bad, and I’m primarily concerned about local businesses including local tourism (ie dependent upon people living here at least part of the year like snowbirds rather than people flying in to attend the parks like Orlando) businesses like theatres, galleries, downtown shops and restaurants, etc, and old people carry all that. So, if by the weekend the cases aren’t trending upward, I think it’ll be “phase 2” time maybe not next Monday the 18th, but announced and then opening by the end of the week because the next Monday is Memorial Day, and the business community really, really needs to be able to make some money for that three day weekend.

So if the olds get the sense that it’s safe, which they increasingly do, they’ll keep going out. And then we’ll see in a couple weeks if that was a bad idea or not. But we will have some sort of idea of reality by the end of next week.

 

[teriyakiburns]

It's the same way SI people insisted on trying to redefine Megabytes as 1,000 Kilobytes which are 1,000 bytes

Heavily lobbied by drive manufacturers, who could sell a "terabyte" drive that's only got about 990GB of space on it, before file-system losses, and claim they aren't lying. The old quantities are "binary units" now: kibi- mebi- gibi- tebi- and so on.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

While sure, this is true in same way, it doesn't matter. Like at all. For all the bitching people do that US standards are so shit and that they're so confusing, somehow even literal exceptional individuals here are able to use it constantly. We get the same stuff done as any other country using a supposedly inferior measuring system. The only reason we use metric for military and scientific purposes is probably that other countries would throw a fit the instant they had to interact with it. If it was 100% isolated to just us, eh, we'd use US standards just fine.

It's like English, Hardly the most efficient or practical Western language, so why do we use it? We just do, no point in bitching about it. It's factual other languages are easier to learn and much more consistent, but who cares? It's just what we do.

It's just amazing it's 2020 and people still complain about "Why doesn't the US use metric?".

Anyways, super off topic but w/e.

You are so fucking wrong. Alright time for a rant. Because why.

Reason the metric system caught on so quickly is, as @Overly Serious explained. CONSISTENCY. Weight goes in grams. Volume liters. Distance meters. Grams turn to miligrams, or kilograms. Liters turn to mililiters or kiloleters. Meters into kilometers or milimeters. Etc. When factored by 1000. This isn't just intuitive. It isn't just easy. It is SOUND from a mathematical perspective. If everything has the same equations all you need to do is find a constant and you'll get the equivalence. Passing volume to distance is easy, passing weight to volume also easy, etc.

When using different units, like centimeters, milimeters, etc. All you need is to multiply or divide x10^whatever. This is very. Very. Very easy to do. And even then we keep forgeting the factors because humans are, by nature, dunces.

Using imperial system weight, distance, etc. All have their own fucking constants for every step around the way. If you got 0.3m you got 3dm or 30cm. See how that work? If you got 0.3f you got 3.6inches. And note how I had to use a .x there. That means I'd now have to go check what's the smaller version of inches and multiply that by that factor until I had 0f3ixwhateversywhocares.

Sure you can simplify. But you can't actually always simplify in science. And in metric. When we have to expand a little bit. It's just 7.7268471947, in imperial it looks like 7'10''5'''1'''' etc. Which takes more space, adds more constants, and just suuuuucks.

Then how to fix that. Well there are just 2 ways other than being a dick and ignoring the problem. 1 is to just use only inches and use 6.86865i and ignore other units. Essentially using metric system but with a different name behind the number just because you want to be obtuse. Second option is to use leters. In hexadecimal for instance a is 10, b is 11, c is 13, etc. So it could look like 7.a51. But then you have to remembet what kind of decimal you're using on every spot along the chain. And why. Just. WHY.

And this is before the fuckups happen. Because again. Scientist fucks up in metric? All he needs to do is spot where he forgot the conversion and add 10^x there. Easy as fuck, you just gotta move the point back and forth. Scientist forgets units in imperial and he gotta get a fucking calculator to get it to miles. Because you couldn't just make it so the "dot" is the same as the conversion number, no, you had to be fucking special.

And that's before we get into who defines the units. Because as seen in this thread IUs vary depending on what the WHO says that month. I'm sure that won't cause massive issues. Nah that's totally better than just using objective measures like the speed of light in a vacuum. Which don't change based on chinese whims.

I know how obtuse this can get because certain processes change between chemical energy and phisical energy. And one is measured in cals and the other in jules. And then resistances also have different units, etc. And let me tell ya. When you get to that point and now need to remember 3 different fucking conversion factors and check where you left them. Oooooh boy. Boy that's a fucking mess. So I cannot possibly concieve why you'd want to add more of thst shit to the mix. Just to be fucking special.

Also, if american scientists tried changing bsck to imperial they'd actually crash american academic for years while pupils get used to conversion. There's a reason SIs are used. Because when spanish, french, british and german scientists create equations even if the name is fucking weird we can easily get the math. American scientists wanted in on that. And didn't want to remember "wait this was made by a non american so now I gotta factor... let's see. Density? Well then I have to convert both volume and weight that's grams to ounces and liters to galons. Wait no this is density by height to the surface so I also gotta convert meters to feet. Oh wait no I forgot liquid changes density by temperature so on the fifth equation I gotta change celsius to farenheit... yeah that's it. Right? Sp this gives me a pressure of wait how did I have to convert pressure again?" NO ONE WANTS THAT. Literally no one. Systems of measurement are supposed to simplify your life. Not turn a 1 hour project into a 3 day search for the lost city of El Numerado.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Also, if american scientists tried changing bsck to imperial they'd actually crash american academic for years while pupils get used to conversion. There's a reason SIs are used. Because when spanish, french, british and german scientists create equations even if the name is fucking weird we can easily get the math.

We use SI for important stuff. Everything is dosed in mcg/kg or mg/kg.

Now, our lab values are still weird. I think NZ is the only country that uses our system.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

It seems the damage to morale Germany's lockdown is inflicting is starting to pick up pace. In my experience when the riot police starts charging and protesters start getting violent it means discontent levels have reached max acceleration, much like with a pandemic bell curve. And that train has no stopping anymore.

I am really sorry for the Germans. I may hate their leaders and the EU they created. But the population doesn't deserve what's coming if my predictions are right. To kiwi krauts like @Stoneheart and @Romanes eunt desu domus only tip I have is our islands have already started accelerating reopening past supposed phase 1 (by which I mean are already practically unofficially reopened) and specially canary islands have opened frontiers to german planes. I know as much for a fact. And the islands generally do as they please so risk of political dumbassery is low at this point, they need tourism asap and will be grateful for it. So it might be a good moment to seek temporary refuge while the worst part of the storm clashes.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

You are so fucking wrong. Alright time for a rant. Because why.

Reason the metric system caught on so quickly is, as @Overly Serious explained. CONSISTENCY. Weight goes in grams. Volume liters. Distance meters. Grams turn to miligrams, or kilograms. Liters turn to mililiters or kiloleters. Meters into kilometers or milimeters. Etc. When factored by 1000. This isn't just intuitive. It isn't just easy. It is SOUND from a mathematical perspective. If everything has the same equations all you need to do is find a constant and you'll get the equivalence. Passing volume to distance is easy, passing weight to volume also easy, etc.

When using different units, like centimeters, milimeters, etc. All you need is to multiply or divide x10^whatever. This is very. Very. Very easy to do. And even then we keep forgeting the factors because humans are, by nature, dunces.

Using imperial system weight, distance, etc. All have their own fucking constants for every step around the way. If you got 0.3m you got 3dm or 30cm. See how that work? If you got 0.3f you got 3.6inches. And note how I had to use a .x there. That means I'd now have to go check what's the smaller version of inches and multiply that by that factor until I had 0f3ixwhateversywhocares.

Sure you can simplify. But you can't actually always simplify in science. And in metric. When we have to expand a little bit. It's just 7.7268471947, in imperial it looks like 7'10''5'''1'''' etc. Which takes more space, adds more constants, and just suuuuucks.

Then how to fix that. Well there are just 2 ways other than being a dick and ignoring the problem. 1 is to just use only inches and use 6.86865i and ignore other units. Essentially using metric system but with a different name behind the number just because you want to be obtuse. Second option is to use leters. In hexadecimal for instance a is 10, b is 11, c is 13, etc. So it could look like 7.a51. But then you have to remembet what kind of decimal you're using on every spot along the chain. And why. Just. WHY.

And this is before the fuckups happen. Because again. Scientist fucks up in metric? All he needs to do is spot where he forgot the conversion and add 10^x there. Easy as fuck, you just gotta move the point back and forth. Scientist forgets units in imperial and he gotta get a fucking calculator to get it to miles. Because you couldn't just make it so the "dot" is the same as the conversion number, no, you had to be fucking special.

And that's before we get into who defines the units. Because as seen in this thread IUs vary depending on what the WHO says that month. I'm sure that won't cause massive issues. Nah that's totally better than just using objective measures like the speed of light in a vacuum. Which don't change based on chinese whims.

I know how obtuse this can get because certain processes change between chemical energy and phisical energy. And one is measured in cals and the other in jules. And then resistances also have different units, etc. And let me tell ya. When you get to that point and now need to remember 3 different fucking conversion factors and check where you left them. Oooooh boy. Boy that's a fucking mess. So I cannot possibly concieve why you'd want to add more of thst shit to the mix. Just to be fucking special.

Also, if american scientists tried changing bsck to imperial they'd actually crash american academic for years while pupils get used to conversion. There's a reason SIs are used. Because when spanish, french, british and german scientists create equations even if the name is fucking weird we can easily get the math. American scientists wanted in on that. And didn't want to remember "wait this was made by a non american so now I gotta factor... let's see. Density? Well then I have to convert both volume and weight that's grams to ounces and liters to galons. Wait no this is density by height to the surface so I also gotta convert meters to feet. Oh wait no I forgot liquid changes density by temperature so on the fifth equation I gotta change celsius to farenheit... yeah that's it. Right? Sp this gives me a pressure of wait how did I have to convert pressure again?" NO ONE WANTS THAT. Literally no one. Systems of measurement are supposed to simplify your life. Not turn a 1 hour project into a 3 day search for the lost city of El Numerado.

Jesus lol, I didn't mean to touch a metric nerve. I even said, in an indirect way, that metric is easier and more consistent.

Whole point was that it doesn't matter. We'll keep using US standards just fine when it comes to domestic stuff.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Jesus lol, I didn't mean to touch a metric nerve. I even said, in an indirect way, that metric is easier and more consistent.

Whole point was that it doesn't matter. We'll keep using US standards just fine when it comes to domestic stuff.

Yeah tbh I do get fits a bit too autistic about units. But shit is. I'm a biotech student. Biotechnology includes a lot, and I mean a LOT of changes between physics and chemistry. And even worse between different branches of phisics. And as I mention on that rant. That means we get data in Jules, Cals, and like 7 other different fucking units because much like you burgers different branches of scientific disciplines use units based on what they find more comfortable and don't mind how much it deviates from other disciplines.

I swear I'm actually gonna go look if I can find the tables and charts (YES CHARTS. BECAUSE FOR SOME UNIT CHANGES IT'S LITERALLY EASIER TO FIND THEM GRAPHICALLY WITH A FUCKING RULER INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH THE MATHS. I'M NOT KIDDING HERE) from past years so I can show you the level of pain we endure having to deal with this shit. It is. It is hell dude. It is entire days trying to figure out where you messed the unit change.

It's like each unit system is a language. And when they clash. Oh god. Oh god the fucking translating job you need to do. And by changing not just unit but also scale and doing so not just once but even internally amongst multiple units Imperial is the language equivalent to chinese. I once had to translate to and from imperial as part of extra job because one professor thought it'd help us understand unit changes better. I still have fucking PTSD about that shit. That was the mathematical equivalent of WW1. Equations were failing left and right no one knew why and everyone wanted to scream. Imperial system is not OK. It may be intuitive for simple shit but when you get to scientific purposes it is hell.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Im just going to toss this in the ring of debate but when I see Americans celebrating the Swedish approach to coronavirus do they understand that Sweden is a completely different climate, population and culture to the United States and that maybe the difference in lockdown measures are more favorable to the sweeds in comparason to burgerland or do Americans just take what ever info coincides with their beilief and just touts it off of gut feelings pushing the narrative that benefits the individual most thinking its how science works.

Now do all the exceptional faggots who think we can pull of contact tracing in the US

 

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[Ivan Shatov]

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Well, duh.

And he needed 40,000 respirators to kill the rest. Thank God Trump stood up to this butcher.